GGG-most thought he lost to Derevyanchenko
Smith-Most thought he lost to Ryder
Ryder-okay, but deserves Smith rematch
BJS-looked hot garbage last out
No Andrade, no Charlo.
We still pretending?
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GGG-most thought he lost to Derevyanchenko
Smith-Most thought he lost to Ryder
Ryder-okay, but deserves Smith rematch
BJS-looked hot garbage last out
No Andrade, no Charlo.
We still pretending?
Canelo’s potential opponent list looked really good a month ago. Now it’s looking a little worse. He still has a lot of options though. He basically said that he isn’t going back down to middleweight. It’s too hard of a cut at this point. So Charlo and Andrade are out. He said that he isn’t interested in another GGG fight (I’m not either after last GGG fight). I doubt he fights Beterbiev or Bivol at light HW. One thing that wouldn’t shock me is fighting Bivol at super middleweight. I know that Bivol has mentioned that he could make that weight.
Super middleweight still has some decent options. Plant is a decent match up as well as Benavidez. The issue though is that all of his potential match ups against more established fighters have either looked bad in their last fight or he has moved weight.
You’re misunderstanding. This is the list Canelo put out himself.
GGG-he said
Callum
Ryder
BJS
Yes Benividez and Plant should be considered. But, again he said 160-175 is all good(which would include Andrade and Charlo but he doesn’t)and he is looking at only the 4 above. Which only GGG would move the needle even possibly in American subscriptions to DAZN. So there is no financial incentive for this list
Really? I didn’t know he put this list out. I remember after the Kovalev fight he said that he probably couldn’t make middleweight anymore. I guess it’s an option that he’s keeping open just in case a mega fight could be made there with someone going up in weight (like Crawford). I’m assuming that he is done at middleweight though.
As much as I don’t like his tactics though, I’m not too worried about him taking a little easier fight next. Ryder would be pretty disappointing, but Smith or BJS have at least proven to be good fighters in the past. Both of them would probably take the fight very seriously. A focused BJS I think beats Canelo actually. As I said before though, another GGG fight is not interesting at all anymore for me. I thought that he definitely got beat in his last fight and is only getting worse while Canelo is improving.
When it comes down to it though, that’s why I always preach cleaning out divisions. We wouldn’t be having this conversation if he just decided to fight Charlo and Andrade then went up to the next weight. If he would have done that and beat them both, I most likely would have him my #1 p4p guy. Jumping around weights just makes it easier to choose an opponent of your liking.
Doesn't make aloe of sense as he was pretty very dismissive of Golovkin getting a third fight as he hasn't 'done anything' and that was before Derevyanchenko gave as good as he got. If Canelo took the money grab there he'd probably want GGG coming up. Ryder and Saunders would be guaranteed ways to tune into something else that night. Smith and Benavidez are formidable at 168 but doubt Canelo takes them next out. Or he could do something respectable and demand a unification at 175 and get to the point. You're not a jack n the box son enough bouncing around, pick a division already and clean up.
It really is as simple as ..hey champ just do work. Make it quality and we'll tune in respect where it's due. Personally I have zero interest in a GGG v Canelo III. He's climbed his latter and staked a claim now carry through on it. I can't seriously knock him for not returning for Andrade either. Just saw Liam Williams and Alantez Fox were sorting it out for his mandatory opponent so. matter of levels in the Canelo sweepstakes.
Canelo should fight Callum Smith and get another ring championship. It is a simple battle and he can then give the Ryder a chance he deserve
After Canelo beating Rocky Fielding he puts Ryder on his possible list of opponents? That is embarrassing.
GGG beat him twice so Canelo can stay up at super middleweight and avoid him.
It should be more like this:
Beterbiev
Bivol
Benavidez
Plant
Derevyanchenko
Charlo
Andrade
Saunders
Smith
Any chance Eubank Jr gets a crack if he gets by Korobov?
I try to be a realist and just put out of my mind that Canelo has any interest in actually trying to unify the light heavyweight division. As far as I can tell, it was purely a title grab to make “history.”
As I said before, he is not going back down to middleweight unless there is a super fight to be made. So super middleweight is his option. Super middleweight doesn’t have any world beaters, but it does have some pretty good fighters. As you said, Benavidez is the best fight for him there. Too bad that Ramirez moved up. That could have been a good Mexican scrap.
My biggest question for the OP is: who have Andrade or Charlo beaten to be considered as must fight opponents? Why can’t they fight each other (or Danny Jacobs, GGG...etc.) to prove their worth/inclusion among the elite? Personally, I’m good with Canelo fighting any of those guys on that list and not fighting Andrade or Charlo until one of them Beats elite comp.
it better not turn out to be fucking yarde
I had Korobov beating Charlo, the worst he deserved in that fight was a draw. He should have got the decision easy in his last fight with Aleem. I thought he was past his best a year ago but he brings in the better skills. He can be hurt tho and his stamina is questionable, so that will play towards Eubank strength as he comes on late. I think Eubank can get to him late but won't be surprised if Korobov earns a decision.
I still haven't seen Canelo beat GGG yet! A 3rd fight is a must!
Canelo Alvarez gives up WBO light heavyweight title six weeks after win
Canelo Alvarez knocked out Sergey Kovalev six weeks ago to win the WBO light heavyweight belt. Now, he’s vacating the title.
There are no shady dealings or wrongdoing. Alvarez is voluntarily relinquishing the title to comply with the World Boxing Organization’s rules, which prohibit champions like Alvarez from holding titles in multiple weight classes from other boxing organizations. Since Alvarez currently holds the middleweight and secondary super middleweight titles with the World Boxing Association, he had to give up his light heavyweight belt with the WBO.
Alvarez is getting something in return, though. According to ESPN, the WBO agreed to allow Alvarez to be the designated mandatory challenger to any WBO titleholder in any division he wants to fight in. So Alvarez doesn’t have any hard feelings about giving up the belt — in fact, he’s looking at it as an opportunity.
"I know that my accomplishments in the ring have brought pride to my fans and my country," Alvarez said in a statement, via ESPN. "I have long enjoyed my relationship with the WBO and appreciate all they do to preserve and enhance the sport of boxing. This agreement allows the WBO to have its light heavyweight title contested regularly and allows me to pursue bouts against the best opponents, regardless of weight class."
Oscar De La Hoya, Alvarez’s promoter and CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was similarly positive about Alvarez’s future.
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"We completely support the decision made by Canelo Alvarez and the WBO," De La Hoya told ESPN. "Canelo made history by stopping Sergey Kovalev in impressive fashion to become a four-division world champion. Not only did he show that he is a real threat at 175 pounds, but he also demonstrated that he is fully capable of moving across several divisions to look for the most exciting fights for the fans.”
Alvarez, who is 29 years old and 53-1-2 with 36 KOs, has won belts in four divisions overall and in three different divisions over the past 12 months. In December 2018 he knocked out Rocky Fielding to claim the super middleweight title while also being the reigning middleweight world champion. He went back to middleweight in May and defeated Daniel Jacobs to unify the belts, though one was stripped from him. Just last month he jumped two divisions (and added 15 pounds) to light heavyweight and knocked out Kovalev to capture the WBO belt.
Alvarez is set to fight again in May 2020, but has yet to decide between middleweight or super middleweight.
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/can...162721427.html
Does this mean that Canelo is still free to pursue the other light heavy titles from the likes of Bivol and Beterbiev?
Oops..... sorry. I know I stepped out of line there.
I’m not even upset at this because it was obvious what he was doing from the beginning. It was a title grab to make “history.” We all knew that he had no real intention to fight the best at that weight.
I sound like a broken record but I’m just hoping he tries to clean out a division for once. I know that’s being unrealistic, but a guy can dream.
Let's not sell him short. Ok..... who do we have at cruiser? That would be historic. Imagine the consequences.
Besides, cleaning out divisions is overrated. Why clean out a division when you can pick and choose between several divisions? I don't think people realize the work involved in identifying victims who are ripe for the picking.
Rocky Fielding was easy peasy. Kovalev was a stroke of genius. But it only gets harder from here.
Cruiser looks doable, Alpha. Not too familiar with two of the champions (Shumenov and Goulamirian). Now's probably a good time to strike. Which current cruiser champion looks more Bambi-ish to you?
Goula's French... and I see he's rarely fought outside of France.
No matter though.
Never underestimate the WBC.
"Compatriota" Mauricio might even be hard at work as we speak, creating another belt at cruiser for Canelo to fight for.
We'd need a weak contender at cruiser..... make him a mandatory challenger for the vacant new belt alongside Canelo..... and voilá!! You've got a new cruiser champion.
Goulamirian is a beast and way too dangerous for Canelo. I can't even remember the last time Shumenov fought, how he still holds a belt is beyond me, same sort of situation as Charr I guess.
You are probably closer to the truth than you know, they just create some type of francise title for him to collect.
Lerena holds a minor trinket, but I think he probably presents a little more than the desired risk.
You realize we could hold menial jobs with C.R.A.P., right?
You're a bit more up-to-date than me.... but we'd both be charged with the computerized machinery that would eventually churn out a suitable opponent for Canelo... whether it's for an outright title challenge.... or for a newly-manufactured WBC trinket.
We'd have to get neck deep in research.... scouting every possible angle, advantage, loophole, weakness, timing, etc, etc.
We'd report our findings, our recommendations would be entered into C.R.A.P., and the program would churn out probabilities of victory for each of these recommendations. Probabilities of less than 95% would be thrown out immediately, and we'd probably get reprimanded by presenting live threats in the first place.
canelo will still be p4p number 1 this time next year. his legend continues to grow
Team Canelo and "compadre" Sulaiman have certainly paid enough for that to happen. That would be the fruits of their hard labor.
TBRB had Canelo at #5 about a month ago.
The top 4 must've died since then.
Well I’m just letting you know that if anyone uses boxrec and acts like it’s a legitimate ranking system then you are proving yourself to be unknowledgable about boxrec. And everybody who knows anything knows that Ring would obviously put Canelo first.
Maybe if you would have researched and found more reputable sources then your point of him being #1 p4p “still” would make sense. But at it stands, basically you think he is #1 along with a computer and his own team. You can think what you want, but I’m just letting you know that no other real sources think that he’s #1.
I still want to hear the explanation as to how TBRB has him #1.
you asked, i answered, i can't help that you don't like the answer. tell me, is p4p a legitimate ranking system? you are now putting stipulations on your question "who has him at #1?" which do not relate to my answer and telling me i needed to research to satisfy your opinion. my reply perfectly answers your question
His mom probably has him at #1 too. You should have included her. See how ridiculous that sounds? That’s why there are reputable sources and non reputable sources. That’s what I’m trying to tell you.
You can put him at whatever number you want, but the whole argument is that you said he will “still” be #1 p4p. If you would have ended that statement with “on my list” then it would have been fine. I would have disagreed but the claim would have at least made sense.