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I can live without it quite frankly. lol.... But Wilder v Fury 2 is a must. Would like to see Wilder in with other competition however. Just to see the resume pile up.
Wilder vs Pulev, Povetkin, Ruiz, Whyte, Miller or Mr "I am Very Feel"/Usyk would be ok for me.
;D
I can’t decide which heavyweight I like the best..
1. AJ can be very cringeworthy but is now a 2 time world champ with a better resume than wilder and fury.
2. Wilder has the punch but has not fought the toughest opposition and ducked the AJ fight.
3. Fury is the best boxer, best entertainer and will fight anyone..but he never gave Wlad his rematch and was banned for a failed drug test.
Wilder and AJ will happen next year if Whyte doesn’t reach him first.
I still want to see it, anytime 2 top rated guys fight is a good thing.
Why wouldn’t you want to see it? How many HWs are better than AJ at this point? Even if he didn’t look like a world beater today, he is still a top HW for sure.
I’m with you, the only reason I want Wilder to beat Fury is I want to see AJ vs Wilder. If I had any confidence in Fury not disappearing for 2 years fighting nobodies I would have nothing to worry aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Wilder/Fury
Winner vs AJ
Winner vs Usyk(hopefully he’s fought a decent heavyweight by then)
I know it won’t happen like that but it so easily could. And they could all run it back again and all retire very very wealthy. But it’s boxing so I don’t even expect Fury to make it to the Wilder fight. We’ll see
Any word on testing for Wilder/ Fury 2 yet?
The winner of Wilder/Fury v AJ is the fight that has to be made next year. Too many years have been wasted on these fighters saying they will fight against one another and they don't. Making excuse after excuse.
You watch it will carry on now that AJ has got the titles back.
Time for them all to face off.
Don’t mind Usyk being thrown into the mix mind.
The division needs a bit of a clean out. All these guys with belts of some sort and rated in the top 10 need to start fighting each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
For the OP, don’t worry, AJ has no plans of fighting either Wilder or Fury any time soon
He’s “going to take care of his mandatories starting in March”
He”isn’t thinking a to g” with Wilder/Fury being G, G being the 7th letter for anyone that can’t be bothered to count
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0KNEF-TAUME
And in his post fight press conference he said “I’m not looking at them”
Fury out boxes Wilder in the rematch and then also out points Joshua by September 2020 then retires from boxing undefeated with a single draw on his record
the cringe-worthy Joshua will try to wait a few more years until wildere is in his late 30s and probably will knock him out in a slugfest sometime in the year 2022
Cringe worthy? Someone who didn't start boxing until 18 has a pro record of 21 KOs and 23 wins in 24 fights, was an Olympic silver medalist and conducts himself impeccably and with humility and class at all times?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
You are a clown.
It was common knowledge from when the fight was made the winner was obligated for two mandatories. It's impossible to accommodate both. The Uysk team and Eddie explained the plan at the Chazz Witherspoon fight.
1. Uysk fights Parker-Chisora for the vacant WBO.
2. AJ defends the IBF against Pulev.
3. AJ-Uysk is a SUPER three belt unification fight.
And even if that doesn't play out Eddie/DAZN keep three belts regardless.
Wilder-Fury have a 3rd fight rematch clause, so neither had any intention of facing Joshua anytime soon regardless.
It’s passing belts around avoiding the real fight. It’s in the IBFs rules that unification can delay their mandatory position. Not even looking at that just straight to excuses. But your backing whatever Joshua/Eddie choose to do is just a coincidence right? So many coincidencesQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
If Ruiz won and Wilder won everyone knows that a unification would have happened but Joshua wins and it can’t happen. Because Eddie said after the Chazz Witherspoon fight,,,, hahaha think about those worlds, mentioning Chazz f’n Witherspoon when talking about unification of the heavyweight division
Greatest points in this thread are by Fenster, who does said it "Wilder/Fury have a 3rd fight Claus", is is the reason WHY AJ will be shuth out of the competition for longer and long time until he again get sparked and that's cat is really out of those bag. Fury of the 3 fighter will be FIRST to resigne, and Wilder will to be too old after 2020. So, that's!
Skipping over the BS the spin doctors want to spin. As I told you when Joshua was saying he needed to take care of his mandatories in 2017 against Pulev(funny how full circle we have come) I told you you can run that circle forever. (Funny how exactly right I am proving to be) Sure Pulev pulled out and it turned out to be Takam but the point remains.
The important part is if people want to unify they can unify. If they don’t want to unify they will make excuses. That’s what Fenny is doing, and he knows it. He’s selling you excuses. Because the UK guy is a little shook and looking for time. It’s fair enough, but don’t for a second believe lies about needing to handle mandatories.If they want the fight everyone will jump on board to make the fight.(it’s written into the f’n rules of the IBF) Delaying is delaying and any excuse is only that, an excuse.
I know I ask you all to acknowledge the truth often, but people lie often so here I am again saying don’t back the BS. It makes this place look like a circle jerk rather than intelligent discussion
You don't want to see Wilder fight Joshua, rather a bunch of guys Joshua already beat plus two that no one really cares about? Weird.
I want to see Wilder fight Joshua
Ruiz was granted an extension by the Springfield, New Jersey sanctioning body for the Joshua rematch. Both had to agree to face Pulev before May 31, 2020 or be stripped. Had Ruiz won, he may have faced Wilder next but that belt would be gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Wilder has Fury lined up. That Pulev mandatory can be handled, they haven’t even said for sure which mandatory will be executed first. Eddie has already said they will drop one belt then unify that after whichever they handle first. And if you look back you can see me saying the exact same thing,,,,2 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaRuiz was granted an extension by the Springfield, New Jersey sanctioning body for the Joshua rematch. Both had to agree to face Pulev before May 31, 2020 or be stripped. Had Ruiz won, he may have faced Wilder next but that belt would be gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
When they were spreading the lie that they had to face Pulev I said “you can drop the belt, make the big fight, then return to fight whoever picks up that belt and it’s a bigger fight because it’s a unification” the only difference between now and what I said is when I said it,,,,2 years ago,,,,Joshua wouldn’t have lost a belt because he would give one up and gain one if he won.
Look it up, it’s on this site, you don’t have to search anywhere but here. And again, 2 years ago I suggested they could do what they plan to do. So, they are proving me right, and simultaneously proving their story was BS. As I said 2 years ago.
Except Joshua says he ain’t giving up any belts.... look , he may have no choice , but either way, it don’t make Eddie Pinocchio and it don’t make you the great soothsayer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonWilder has Fury lined up. That Pulev mandatory can be handled, they haven’t even said for sure which mandatory will be executed first. Eddie has already said they will drop one belt then unify that after whichever they handle first. And if you look back you can see me saying the exact same thing,,,,2 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaRuiz was granted an extension by the Springfield, New Jersey sanctioning body for the Joshua rematch. Both had to agree to face Pulev before May 31, 2020 or be stripped. Had Ruiz won, he may have faced Wilder next but that belt would be gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
When they were spreading the lie that they had to face Pulev I said “you can drop the belt, make the big fight, then return to fight whoever picks up that belt and it’s a bigger fight because it’s a unification” the only difference between now and what I said is when I said it,,,,2 years ago,,,,Joshua wouldn’t have lost a belt because he would give one up and gain one if he won.
Look it up, it’s on this site, you don’t have to search anywhere but here. And again, 2 years ago I suggested they could do what they plan to do. So, they are proving me right, and simultaneously proving their story was BS. As I said 2 years ago.
He said, she said, he said , she said. We know they ALL LIE. Booooooooring.
I was mainly reply to your post #14 in this thread, where you said if Ruiz had won, a unification with Wilder would have happened. It wouldn't have happened with the belt that Pulev is mandatory for. Unless Ruiz honoured the mandatory with Pulev 1st.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonWilder has Fury lined up. That Pulev mandatory can be handled, they haven’t even said for sure which mandatory will be executed first. Eddie has already said they will drop one belt then unify that after whichever they handle first. And if you look back you can see me saying the exact same thing,,,,2 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaRuiz was granted an extension by the Springfield, New Jersey sanctioning body for the Joshua rematch. Both had to agree to face Pulev before May 31, 2020 or be stripped. Had Ruiz won, he may have faced Wilder next but that belt would be gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
When they were spreading the lie that they had to face Pulev I said “you can drop the belt, make the big fight, then return to fight whoever picks up that belt and it’s a bigger fight because it’s a unification” the only difference between now and what I said is when I said it,,,,2 years ago,,,,Joshua wouldn’t have lost a belt because he would give one up and gain one if he won.
Look it up, it’s on this site, you don’t have to search anywhere but here. And again, 2 years ago I suggested they could do what they plan to do. So, they are proving me right, and simultaneously proving their story was BS. As I said 2 years ago.
I don't care about the belts, so I agree with you that belts should be dropped if necessary to make big fights.
You seem to feel the belts are necessary to claim undisputed status. I have asked before, but I'll try again, what do you consider undisputed?
Depends on the scenario, obviously if someone gets all 4 major belts then they are undisputed. If someone has beaten all the top contenders they are undisputed in my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI was mainly reply to your post #14 in this thread, where you said if Ruiz had won, a unification with Wilder would have happened. It wouldn't have happened with the belt that Pulev is mandatory for. Unless Ruiz honoured the mandatory with Pulev 1st.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonWilder has Fury lined up. That Pulev mandatory can be handled, they haven’t even said for sure which mandatory will be executed first. Eddie has already said they will drop one belt then unify that after whichever they handle first. And if you look back you can see me saying the exact same thing,,,,2 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaRuiz was granted an extension by the Springfield, New Jersey sanctioning body for the Joshua rematch. Both had to agree to face Pulev before May 31, 2020 or be stripped. Had Ruiz won, he may have faced Wilder next but that belt would be gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
When they were spreading the lie that they had to face Pulev I said “you can drop the belt, make the big fight, then return to fight whoever picks up that belt and it’s a bigger fight because it’s a unification” the only difference between now and what I said is when I said it,,,,2 years ago,,,,Joshua wouldn’t have lost a belt because he would give one up and gain one if he won.
Look it up, it’s on this site, you don’t have to search anywhere but here. And again, 2 years ago I suggested they could do what they plan to do. So, they are proving me right, and simultaneously proving their story was BS. As I said 2 years ago.
I don't care about the belts, so I agree with you that belts should be dropped if necessary to make big fights.
You seem to feel the belts are necessary to claim undisputed status. I have asked before, but I'll try again, what do you consider undisputed?
I only care about the fights, but as you have seen they are rehashing an old reason to swerve the fight we want and some here are selling the 3rd time they have tried this same excuse as if it’s new. I just want people to remember they used this same excuse 2 years ago. So I’ll be annoying repeating myself because the pretenders will keep repeating themselves.
Kudos on not turning to insults by the way. I don’t get why so many do that, we all just want to talk about boxing
But is there a sanity clause? They're in every contractQuote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
Take out the "i" and it's Santy ClausQuote:
Originally Posted by palmerqBut is there a sanity clause? They're in every contractQuote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
All good mate, I don't throw insults unless they are thrown my way 1st. We can have civil discussions without ad hominem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonDepends on the scenario, obviously if someone gets all 4 major belts then they are undisputed. If someone has beaten all the top contenders they are undisputed in my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI was mainly reply to your post #14 in this thread, where you said if Ruiz had won, a unification with Wilder would have happened. It wouldn't have happened with the belt that Pulev is mandatory for. Unless Ruiz honoured the mandatory with Pulev 1st.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonWilder has Fury lined up. That Pulev mandatory can be handled, they haven’t even said for sure which mandatory will be executed first. Eddie has already said they will drop one belt then unify that after whichever they handle first. And if you look back you can see me saying the exact same thing,,,,2 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaRuiz was granted an extension by the Springfield, New Jersey sanctioning body for the Joshua rematch. Both had to agree to face Pulev before May 31, 2020 or be stripped. Had Ruiz won, he may have faced Wilder next but that belt would be gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
When they were spreading the lie that they had to face Pulev I said “you can drop the belt, make the big fight, then return to fight whoever picks up that belt and it’s a bigger fight because it’s a unification” the only difference between now and what I said is when I said it,,,,2 years ago,,,,Joshua wouldn’t have lost a belt because he would give one up and gain one if he won.
Look it up, it’s on this site, you don’t have to search anywhere but here. And again, 2 years ago I suggested they could do what they plan to do. So, they are proving me right, and simultaneously proving their story was BS. As I said 2 years ago.
I don't care about the belts, so I agree with you that belts should be dropped if necessary to make big fights.
You seem to feel the belts are necessary to claim undisputed status. I have asked before, but I'll try again, what do you consider undisputed?
I only care about the fights, but as you have seen they are rehashing an old reason to swerve the fight we want and some here are selling the 3rd time they have tried this same excuse as if it’s new. I just want people to remember they used this same excuse 2 years ago. So I’ll be annoying repeating myself because the pretenders will keep repeating themselves.
Kudos on not turning to insults by the way. I don’t get why so many do that, we all just want to talk about boxing
I personally think undisputed is a difficult thing to fulfill these days, as there will always be another challenger to dispute the title. It is very rear these days that a fighter completely cleans out every challenger in a division (Usyk for example, Lebedev was still in the division and had run Gassiev to a very close fight). Even lineal is difficult, who decides the #1 and #2? Winning all 4 belts can also be tough, but should be enough to start a new lineage in my opinion.
I also just care about the fights. You do you mate, keep repeating yourself as much as you need to, I do.
And so would the WBO be gone, as Ruiz would have to face Uysk. However, Al Haymon/PBC won't even deal with the WBO or recognise them, so that title was 100% getting vacated if Ruiz won - hence Uysk fights for it regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaRuiz was granted an extension by the Springfield, New Jersey sanctioning body for the Joshua rematch. Both had to agree to face Pulev before May 31, 2020 or be stripped. Had Ruiz won, he may have faced Wilder next but that belt would be gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
This was all common knowledge beforehand. Usyk's manager laid it all out after the Witherspoon fight.
Paco Valcárcel (WBO honcho) immediately tweeted after Ruiz-Johua - Clash of the Dunes is over..now clash of mandatories will be next..WBO mandatory challenger Uysk within 180 days . @eddieHearn, @DazN_USA, @SkySportsBoxing
#ValcarcelForPrez
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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
I on the other hand would LOVE to see it. First it's the fight fans have been clamoring for since Joshua beat Wlad over two years ago. Second... their styles are going to force action to occur. Joshua will not be able to fight Wilder like he apparently (didn't watch it) fought the rematch with Moby Dick. AJ will have to engage.... it will be an action-packed fight. Tyson has fought ONE fan-friendly fight in the last several years....... ONE. And that was against Wilder.
Welcome back, Titofan.
Thank you Fats.