Wilder will never be the real HW champion unless he fights and defeats Joshua

If he defeats Tyson Fury tonight, Deontay Wilder will be boasting about being the heavyweight champ.

But his words will be empty and meaningless as long as he continues to cravenly avoid Anthony Joshua, the world's best heavyweight.

Wilder also needs to fight some prime top ten heavyweights like Dillian Whyte and Joseph Parker before establishing a legacy as a top heavyweight. Having a resume of fighting only old men with health problems (Ortiz), shot fighters (Arreola), limited journeymen (Gavern, Szpilka) and faded drug abusers with mental problems (Fury) is not enough.


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Joshua wants to unify with Wilder more than anything, but craven Wilder won't do it for any amount of money.

Wilder has been a pro 4 years longer than Joshua, and had more amateur fights, yet Joshua has fought better opposition.

Joshua fought Dillian Whyte in his 15th pro fight, Deontay Wilder fought fat age 40 former middleweight Dan Sheehan in his 15th fight, and cravenly avoided his mandatory Whyte after 40 pro fights.

Joshua fought other people Wilder cravenly avoided, for example Wlad Klitschko and Joseph Parker.

Wilder refused to unify, after several years of holding the WBC belt hostage fighting old Stiverne a second time, old Ortiz, shot Arreola and journeymen like Szpilka and Duhapas.

Wilder has done nothing but cherry-pick his entire career. Tyson Fury was a cherry-pick gone wrong, Wilder thought he would be easy after a layoff of 3 years, mental health and drug problems, and a huge weight gain followed by a quick strength-depleting weight loss of 100 pounds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUlfI5VlZuY

Sounds like excuses are already coming. Wilder will be considered the best HW today if he beats Fury. If AJ wouldn’t have lost to Ruiz, you could make that argument. I’m not saying I wouldn’t want to see the fight, but Wilder is for sure seen as the A side by that time.

You and a few other Brits are the only ones who would think this. And if Wilder did beat AJ, you would probably find other excuses as to why he wasn’t the best because he hadn’t fought the winner of Joyce and Dubois.

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

Sounds like excuses are already coming. Wilder will be considered the best HW today if he beats Fury. If AJ wouldn’t have lost to Ruiz, you could make that argument. I’m not saying I wouldn’t want to see the fight, but Wilder is for sure seen as the A side by that time.

You and a few other Brits are the only ones who would think this. And if Wilder did beat AJ, you would probably find other excuses as to why he wasn’t the best because he hadn’t fought the winner of Joyce and Dubois.

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I'm not a Brit.

I've been following boxing for a long time, and I know who's really good and who is a phony. Joshua is the real deal, despite his loss. He's never avoided anyone.

Wilder wouldn't fight a prime top ten heavyweight like Ruiz, instead he fought shot Arreola.

Anyone can lose. Great heavyweights like Lewis, Louis, Klitschko, Ali, Foreman all have losses. But what separates a really great heavyweight from a phony, is a willingness to 1) fight ANYONE, not carefully chosen faded or journeyman opposition and 2) a willingness to face contenders outside the protection of your home country.

Wilder has nearly made 11 defences which surprised me for a one dimensional champion.

AJ is the one who has avoided the unification fight more than Wilder. I think that AJ will avoid the winner for a bit longer. He is a cash cow for Sky and Eddie, they will not want to risk him against anyone so dangerous. They will stick with these meangiless mandatories.

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Originally Posted by Master

Wilder has nearly made 11 defences which surprised me for a one dimensional champion.

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Right: chinny journeyman Szpilka, shot Arreola, faded old inactive Stiverne, Breazeale (Joshua's leftover), Duhapas, old age 50 Ortiz, etc.

Not a single win over a PRIME top ten heavyweight.

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AJ is the one who has avoided the unification fight more than Wilder. I think that AJ will avoid the winner for a bit longer. He is a cash cow for Sky and Eddie.

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No. Wilder turned down a $100 million offer to fight Joshua.

Wilder has recently said he will not fight Joshua if he defeats Fury.

Stop lying, the Joshua fight wasn’t guaranteed. And if you look at it it still wouldn’t have happened. He turned down DAZN, not Joshua. And DAZN said themselves that THEY blew that, NOT Deontay. Because DAZN wouldn’t disclose information. Again, they admitted that themselves.

Have the conversation in an honest fashion FFS

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Stop lying, the Joshua fight wasn’t guaranteed. And if you look at it it still wouldn’t have happened. He turned down DAZN, not Joshua. And DAZN said themselves that THEY blew that, NOT Deontay. Because DAZN wouldn’t disclose information. Again, they admitted that themselves.

Have the conversation in an honest fashion FFS

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Haha. Priceless. You talking about “having the conversation in an honest fashion.”
Bit rich seeing as you INSISTED that Team Wilder offered Joshua $50m when Infact Wilder had a broken arm at the time.

The guy Wilder is fighting in the video looks like Andy Ruiz.

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Originally Posted by Freedom

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Originally Posted by Master

Wilder has nearly made 11 defences which surprised me for a one dimensional champion.

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Right: chinny journeyman Szpilka, shot Arreola, faded old inactive Stiverne, Breazeale (Joshua's leftover), Duhapas, old age 50 Ortiz, etc.

Not a single win over a PRIME top ten heavyweight.

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AJ is the one who has avoided the unification fight more than Wilder. I think that AJ will avoid the winner for a bit longer. He is a cash cow for Sky and Eddie.

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No. Wilder turned down a $100 million offer to fight Joshua.

Wilder has recently said he will not fight Joshua if he defeats Fury.

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And you conveniently left Fury off the list of Wilder’s opponents who is better than anybody that AJ has faced. AJ doesn’t have much better resume than Wilder. They are probably on par with each other. Maybe AJ has tough a little better competition, but not by much.

I by no means think that Wilder is hands down the best, but it’s undeniable that Wilder will be the HW to best if he beats Fury tonight. AJ will not. You may think that AJ will beat Wilder, but that does not mean that Wilder won’t be regarded as the best HW in the world.

Everyone is having trouble picking a winner in tonight's fight. That's because these two guys of contrasting styles are the top 2 heavyweights in the world.

I would pick them both to be clear winners over AJ.

@Freedom who do you have rated #1 and #2 at heavy?

Geeez guys....... we don't really want to rehash who ducked who in the Wilder-Joshua melodrama.... right?

Fact is....... Fury swooped in and got the fight vs Wilder in short order. Joshua was left out in the cold, looking in.

No way does this make Joshua look better than Wilder in retrospect. Fury in fact said... "You gonna keep pussy-footing around, AJ? Look how fast I make a fight with Wilder, while you sit in the corner whining."

In the end, Wilder came off looking like the "duckee" rather than the "ducker" in the Joshua drama.

The most you can say should Wilder go out and torch Fury in spectacular fashion is that he needed a do-over to get it done. But Joshua lost massive mojo in the way he was destroyed by Ruiz the first time. And spending so much time trying to pin down a lukewarm Pulev match isn't helping. What's expected by Wilder is a highlight KO and yes AJ also got it right in #2 but..and the fight hasn't even happened yet :p....the manner and means they get it done will have been night and day. Now if Wilder goes out and Peter Pans it with a twinkle toe mobile jab jab keep away show then I'll eat my shoe and write the division off ;D. Until one of the two defeats the other there is no best or 'real' heavyweight champ. Just fandom some over hyping and their social media bickering that is going on years.

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Originally Posted by Alpha

@Freedom who do you have rated #1 and #2 at heavy?

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Joshua is a clear #1.

#2 remains to be determined. I'd say the winner of tonight's fight, but not if Wilder wins an undeserved gift decision from the three dodgy judges.

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Originally Posted by Alpha

@Freedom who do you have rated #1 and #2 at heavy?

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Joshua is a clear #1.

#2 remains to be determined. I'd say the winner of tonight's fight, but not if Wilder wins an undeserved gift decision from the three dodgy judges.

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Cheers for the reply, I can't have Joshua at #1.

If Wilder wins people will still say that he is shit but has bombs in his hands

This is a moot point now about Wilder, but Fury is clearly the best HW now.

Is there a good amount of money to be made in Vegas for a Wilder vs Joshua fight?

Joshua camp may view that as lots of money for lesser risk, now that Fury has shown the way.

Wilder may want a fight or two before that happens.