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These sportscasters and pundits keep forgetting that Andy Ruiz kicked Anthony Joshua's ass. Like, they have these conversations about megafights with Fury, Wilder, and AJ... they keep forgetting Ruiz kicked AJ's ass. Worse than Fury beat Wilder.
Perhaps Ruiz should fight Wilder or Fury. I would like to see that. He can do it!
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Ruiz v Big Baby Miller. Winner pays the other guys dinner bills for a month :-X
Ruiz should be forgotten for his inept performance against AJ in their rematch. He let himself down and has no one else to blame for coming into the fight over weight.
He did let himself down though I have some slight sympathy that he went from a nobody to heavyweight champion of the world - rags to riches and got distracted for a while. He was unheard of outside of keen fight fans.
Still no excuse for coming in out of shape but I hope he can come again. He has the skill set just got to apply himself.
That was more of a beatdown than this. When I think beatdown it is a classic Tyson murder or a Calzaghe Lacy. Fury fought well but it was neither of those.
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
Haha! I think you meant "loser", though. Otherwise they'll be fighting over who took the dive first. Purse like that can wreck a man's fortune.
Ruiz should be forgotten
Ruiz can fight no doubting that, but you wonder whether he wants it. He worked his way into his title chance against Parker and fluffed it, didn't work hard enough, forget the robbery crap, he took half the fight off and let Parker take it. Ruiz lost more than Parker won. Give him his due he put it all together for the AJ fight, turned him over good style. In the rematch he reverted to type, not doing enough, not taking it seriously enough. Unless someone chooses him and delivers another golden opportunity into his lap you wonder whether he's got the desire to work his way back into contention without slipping up against someone he really ought to be beating.
I would add another consideration which is the paying public.
In any other profession, including the entertainment business, the paying public rightfully expects a good, honest effort in there. Whether you're a singer, dancer, or major sports figure.... you're expected not only to perform to the best of your ability, but to train like you mean it. Ruiz did neither. He made a mockery of his second fight vs AJ, and laughed all the way to the bank. How do you reward someone like that with yet another big payday?
Ruiz should be forgotten. He simply cheated the paying public out of their money.
Undoubtedly a talented fighter, but lazy and not committed enough to a dangerous sport. There is no way an elite athlete should look like he does, and there is no excuse for his weight in the Joshua rematch
I can agree with all that, but outside of the title picture, I would still like to see Ruiz against anyone else. Him against Wilder would be a very interesting fight with basically everything at stake.. was talk of him against Ortiz recently, that'd be good too.
if andy beats luis he's right back there
No, the destruction of Joshua will remain in my memory forever. Far more memorable than Joshua jabbing a blob for 12 rounds.Quote:
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In saying that, he does have a lot to prove. He needs to work his way back and show he means it and is not a flash in the pan. That means a year of solid fights meaning wins and then maybe he is back in the picture.
I remember Lewis coming in heavy and ill prepared for Rahman - even filming Ocean's 11 the week before in Vegas and not being in S Africa preparing himself for fighting at altitude.Quote:
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We forgave him so let's give Andy another chance.
Still not forgiving Haye for conning us all and getting a second Bellew fight mind....
If he proves he deserves another shot fine. But nothing in his history suggests he is ready for the hard road. Remember, he is a guy that was contemplating retirement a year before the first Joshua fight. He’s a guy who ASKED for his first big break, not a guy who EARNED his first big break. Expecting him to earn things now that he is a wealthy man is like expecting a trust fund duechebag to suddenly understand the plight of the common man. Possible, but far from likely.Quote:
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Andy Ruiz Jr says he’s ‘ready’ to face Tyson Fury as he shares training clips
Andy Ruiz Jr insists he is ‘ready’ to face Tyson Fury.
The Mexican-American boxer has not fought since losing to Anthony Joshua in Saudi Arabia in December.
During that time, Fury knocked out Deontay Wilder in a pulsating rematch in Las Vegas last month.
And Ruiz Jr has thrown his name into the hat to take on Fury next.
He told PBC Fox: “I think Tyson Fury did an awesome job. He did everything that he had and his ability, his long reach and all that and he’s the man right now.
“I had flashbacks to my fight [with Joshua] on June 1. It was kind of similar, it was in the same round as well so it was pretty crazy but good for Tyson Fury.
“I think Tyson Fury did what he had to do, he stuck to the game plan. I’m pretty sure he could do it again and I could do it too so, if they pick me, I’m here and I’m ready.”
https://talksport.com/wp-content/upl...60&quality=100
Ruiz Jr admits he thought Wilder would beat Fury though.
He added: “He [Fury] did [use his height advantage] and after that hit in the ear, he never recovered from that.
“His [Wilder] legs were weak, they were wobbly, even other punches that he tried to throw, and they didn’t have a lot of power so I think Tyson Fury did an awesome job.
“I was really shocked because I thought Deontay Wilder was going to win. I just want a shot with Tyson Fury as well.”
On Saturday, Ruiz Jr uploaded a clip of him training in a gym with the caption: “Good morning Instagram, let’s get to these belts. #Nodaysoff.”
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/6...fury-training/
Good for him. Fastest hands in the division. A joy to watch when he puts his combinations together.Quote:
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I've been turning devils advocate on this one. Just a bit. Now I get that Ruiz laid a big egg in the rematch but at the very beginning it struck me odd that he was being slammed for coming in 'so much more out of shape' than first time around. When that's exactly what many fans said when his shirt came off the first time :-X. Hey maybe it's an appearance thing and the fact he resembles a guy wearing a huge misshapen sweat suit that is 4 times to big. Dude has fat flaps. But it's not like he went in and fell down on the first jab or pulled quit jobs prior. For a guy who 'did absolutely nothing' then what does that say about AJ who played freeze tag all night and couldn't even duplicate dropping ol Andy on his big ol derrière. Time will tell and his next out is his most important but so goes the sport that guys get written off quick. He'll have to earn it back and earn respect of fans back but fact remains he pulled one of the biggest upsets in modern history. I just can't get around the weight hub dub. We were fully prepared to welcome in Big Baby as a legit opponent who turned out to be a drug cheat and oddly enough blew up 20 lbs more than once. He was also career high 317 on the doorstep of Joshua having just slopping on 30 lbs over two fights. I dunno guess we'll see if the fire still burns for something other than grilling pork ribs next time he steps in.
kownacki or arreola could be in his future
I totally get where you're coming from here. OK he was heavier - guess its easy for a guy that size to have weight massively fluctuate - but AJ fought a different fight and safety first at distance. Ruiz didn't tire at all and maybe it's just because AJ in the first fight went in for the kill, got closer and got tagged. If Ruiz had weighed in exactly the same on the scales we wouldn't have said a thing and been crying out for the rubber matchQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Ruiz should fight King Kong Ortiz first, easy fight to make since both are under PBC. The winner gets Fury.
Yeh full credit to Joshua for sure. Stylistically it didn't keep us on the edge of our seats but rematch was a tale of two guys experiencing drastically different results and of the two AJ adapted and overcame. Shed some bulk and proved consistent ring operator. Kept his poise too and no rushes into disaster. Andy did himself no favors running on about a third fight having just had 36 minutes to prove no need for one rather than keeping his hands in his pockets waiting for Joshua to stand still in front. His career or what's left of it will now depend on a sense of urgency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKOI totally get where you're coming from here. OK he was heavier - guess its easy for a guy that size to have weight massively fluctuate - but AJ fought a different fight and safety first at distance. Ruiz didn't tire at all and maybe it's just because AJ in the first fight went in for the kill, got closer and got tagged. If Ruiz had weighed in exactly the same on the skills we wouldn't have said a thing and been crying out for the rubber matchQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Welcome to the forum Wally. Be very interesting to see what road Fury takes. Contractually there's Wilder III but realistically he and Joshua back home would be absolutely mental on fight night.Quote:
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