who are three guys you 100% think beat canelo if they fought in the near future, lightheavyweight & under. no excuses about judging or stipulations. just this guy will if they fight soon
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who are three guys you 100% think beat canelo if they fought in the near future, lightheavyweight & under. no excuses about judging or stipulations. just this guy will if they fight soon
Bivol
Beterbiev
Callum Smith
All too big and too strong.
artur could but he is nearing the age where canelo won't receive any credit for beating him. i think his style suits canelo. dmitry has a difficult style but canelo would bust that chin. canelo would knockout callum easyQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Primo has it right for me and Beterbiev would ruin Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICartur could but he is nearing the age where canelo won't receive any credit for beating him. i think his style suits canelo. dmitry has a difficult style but canelo would bust that chin. canelo would knockout callum easyQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
The slick southpaws could cause Canelo problems but do not have the power to trouble Canelo.
I can't see anyone 100% beating Canelo, he's proven himself against all styles and has a granite chin.
Lightheavy - Beterbiev has the natural size/strength to bash him up and Bivol the size/skill to outpoint him. Whether they can do it is another story. In fact several light-heavyweights give him a challenge.
Supermiddle - Smith gets stopped. Saunders and Plant have funky/slick styles to trouble him but get outpointed. Benavidez outpointed/stopped.
Middle - He's never going back to 160 but Charlo and Andrade have no chance of outpointing him.
He does have a great chin, but I think he has lost to more than 3 already. Decent fighter, but seems a bit rigged.
No Ones mentioned Golovkin?
Golovkin has and can beat him again ;)
The thing with Canelo is you need to either be a rock hard and bigger cunt and just bully him or keep him on the end of a great jab and out box him.
Look what a tiny Amir Khan did for half the fight (he was landing that jab with ease it just had no power to keep Canelo away), Yeah he got put in a temporary coma but we all knew that would happen.
I'd fancy a 100% fully fit Saunders to beat him on points (Saunders has WAY better footwork and speed) and Beterbiev to Be able to bully him around and win that way.
Ah so fighters of today to beat the roided up bastard? I guess a list of All-Timers would get too damn long.
Let's see here
My A#1 with a bullet is Andre Ward. I don't care how long he's been out of the game I don't care if he ever laces the gloves up again, he'd school Canelo...but seeing how he's retired for the time beign I'll list 3 more.
#1. Artur Beterbiev
#2. Dimitry Bivol
#3. Caleb Plant
To me it depends on what is meant by "beat". If it means getting the decision, forget it. Only way of getting a "W" on the books against Ginger is by KO..... and then you have a 90% chance.
As for the responses from the rest of the knowledgeable gentlemen.......
Yes absolutely. But see note above. It would have to be by KO to get the nod.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by MasterPrimo has it right for me and Beterbiev would ruin Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICartur could but he is nearing the age where canelo won't receive any credit for beating him. i think his style suits canelo. dmitry has a difficult style but canelo would bust that chin. canelo would knockout callum easyQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
The slick southpaws could cause Canelo problems but do not have the power to trouble Canelo.
Yes, Beterbiev would certainly ruin Canelo, which is precisely why he'll never get the chance. ;)
Slick southpaws AND.... orthodox fighters cause Canelo problems. He's been outboxed countless times. Power is an issue, though.
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
Did you say "rigged"? As in he's a rigged fighter? Pretty sure what you meant, and yes....... everything about Canelo fights screams "RIGGED."
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Originally Posted by smashup
Absolutely..... Golovkin DID beat Canelo the first time around. But there again that cursed word "beat." He beat Ginger to all us knowledgeable fans..... but didn't get the nod. Weird, huh? :D ;)
Yes..... Khan was pitching a shutout when he got caught by that "Teofilo Stevenson-like" right hand. Only punch needed from Ginger. Floyd did the same thing, but escaped without getting caught.
With BJS it'd be more of the same. Ginger getting a boxing lesson as long as Saunders could avoid getting tagged.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
Haha! My favorite quip (about the list of All-Timers being too damn long).
On Ward I'm not so sure. He'd get dragged into the most ridiculous catchweight imaginable (something Team Ginger was sure Ward couldn't handle coming from his fat and lazy retired status).
The rest of the deck would be so stacked it would make WWE seem real in comparison.
Well Andre Ward has pull like nobody else Canelo would fight has pull (bar Floyd). The fight would be in California(Oakland) not Vegas, catchweight wouldn't be a thing (not that Ward would agree to).
The others might be facing an uphill battle, but that's why I think Plant is the guy to do it. He's slick and he has pop, he's got quick hands and size. However he is relatively inexperienced which might be something that piques the interest of Canelo's management.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
Rest assured Team Ginger's Computerized Risk Analytics Program (C.R.A.P.) is currently churning Plant's data through many different scenarios.
Nothing less than a 99.5% win probability will be accepted as the go-ahead to make an offer.
billy joe would be abused. callum already shat himself. dmitry & artur are vulnerable but artur's power is dangerous. dre would be carried. ggg gets rolled. good call on caleb but he would get hurt against a p4p fighter like canelo. outside of artur we might have to look above lightheavy to find a challenge for canelo
I think you’re building Canelo up to be some sort of superhero here. Don’t get me wrong, he’s good, very good, but there’s no doubt he’s been cleverly matched.
If he fought Beterbiev or Bivol, (which unquestionably he wouldn’t ! “Risk/reward and all that.) it would be the first time that he’s given away the right to any advantages .
Well second time actually, and when that happened, Floyd beat him.
Well saying anyone 100% beats him is a little bit much. The whole point of wanting top fights to happen is because that's never going to be the case. He is fundamentally very sound, has legit power and a granite chin, and unlike many guys you could name here he isn't on the decline. Beterbiev and Ward would be my top two as far as who i would favour to beat him, Bivol also has every chance. I think how effective he is at 175 is still a bit of a question mark, as Kovalev wasn't exactly red hot and still gave him big trouble(I didn't think Kov was winning like many did, but there was room for him to have been, if that makes sense.) Callum Smith does marginally better than his brother did imo, Saunders would need to box out of his skin to capitalize on what advantages he'd have, and GGG is clearly not the same fighter who beat Canelo the first time, regardless of how you scored the second, they are going in different directions. David Benavidez would have the best chance of anyone not mentioned so far, that's a great fight.
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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
You have GOT to be f**king kidding me....
Canelo gave away his right to any advantages against Floyd??
Ok so for someone who started his pro career at superfeatherweight, and arguably had some of his glory years at 140 and below...... to be cajoled up to 152 for Ginger..... when Ginger was the titlist just two pounds north of that.......
And he "gave away his right to any advantages"?
I'm sorry..... did I miss something here?
By the way, Floyd shut out his ass even WITH the obvious weight and power advantage. It's the only way Ginger agrees to fights.
you are right, lets not say 100%, lets say who he would be the underdog againstQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
do you think austin, floyd, erislandy, ggg & jacobs were clever matching?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
There's no 100% in boxing. Of anything let alone beating or meeting someone. Sometimes things go sideways, guys phone it in just happy to be there, divas eat to many special steaks and forfeit dates, judges drink to much at the open bar before sitting down with pen in hand. Canelos two hardest more impressive W's are equally flanked by guys perceived to be the weakest links aka belt holders in higher divisions. If he's asking himself who stands a great chance of beating him at 175 he full well knows he's not about to sign for Beterbiev or Bivol. Which he will not and shows no interest in doing so. It's not like he can blame Corona for uncertainty and fans not clamoring for a certain huge scalp..he and Hearn seemed rudderless beforehand opponent wise. Golovkin III seems all but inevitable and he'll probably require him to come up in weight, to which Golovkin will completely comply at this stage.
yeh i just said that to p4pking above. it looked like billy joe was going to be next before covid, he fought sergey before artur & dmitry have, with only one fight at the weight, he can't fight everyone in a night. he still has fights left on his dazn deal so lets see who he fightsQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
He can show an interest and direction to fight everyone or anyone at the weight..it's a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyeh i just said that to p4pking above. it looked like billy joe was going to be next before covid, he fought sergey before artur & dmitry have, with only one fight at the weight, he can't fight everyone in a night. he still has fights left on his dazn deal so lets see who he fightsQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
he offered callum a fight & was turned down, then it looked like billy joe would get the fight, line em upQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliHe can show an interest and direction to fight everyone or anyone at the weight..it's a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyeh i just said that to p4pking above. it looked like billy joe was going to be next before covid, he fought sergey before artur & dmitry have, with only one fight at the weight, he can't fight everyone in a night. he still has fights left on his dazn deal so lets see who he fightsQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
BJS ;D;D. You're like a little machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIChe offered callum a fight & was turned down, then it looked like billy joe would get the fight, line em upQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliHe can show an interest and direction to fight everyone or anyone at the weight..it's a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyeh i just said that to p4pking above. it looked like billy joe was going to be next before covid, he fought sergey before artur & dmitry have, with only one fight at the weight, he can't fight everyone in a night. he still has fights left on his dazn deal so lets see who he fightsQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
wasn't demetrius signed to fight him?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliBJS ;D;D. You're like a little machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIChe offered callum a fight & was turned down, then it looked like billy joe would get the fight, line em upQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliHe can show an interest and direction to fight everyone or anyone at the weight..it's a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyeh i just said that to p4pking above. it looked like billy joe was going to be next before covid, he fought sergey before artur & dmitry have, with only one fight at the weight, he can't fight everyone in a night. he still has fights left on his dazn deal so lets see who he fightsQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Boo Boo was also signed to fight a Charlo before saying he should get more money and opting out. He's now also rudderless.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICwasn't demetrius signed to fight him?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliBJS ;D;D. You're like a little machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIChe offered callum a fight & was turned down, then it looked like billy joe would get the fight, line em upQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliHe can show an interest and direction to fight everyone or anyone at the weight..it's a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyeh i just said that to p4pking above. it looked like billy joe was going to be next before covid, he fought sergey before artur & dmitry have, with only one fight at the weight, he can't fight everyone in a night. he still has fights left on his dazn deal so lets see who he fightsQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
so it's ok for demetrius to sign to fight him but not canelo?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliBoo Boo was also signed to fight a Charlo before saying he should get more money and opting out. He's now also rudderless.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICwasn't demetrius signed to fight him?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliBJS ;D;D. You're like a little machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIChe offered callum a fight & was turned down, then it looked like billy joe would get the fight, line em upQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliHe can show an interest and direction to fight everyone or anyone at the weight..it's a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyeh i just said that to p4pking above. it looked like billy joe was going to be next before covid, he fought sergey before artur & dmitry have, with only one fight at the weight, he can't fight everyone in a night. he still has fights left on his dazn deal so lets see who he fightsQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
To fight who? BJS. Who wanted to see that preening pose fest ???. No if Canelo wants to climb new heights he can't go back to a guy who just went life and death v an unknown with 3 names none of which I can pronounce. Even divas need standards ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by TICso it's ok for demetrius to sign to fight him but not canelo?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliBoo Boo was also signed to fight a Charlo before saying he should get more money and opting out. He's now also rudderless.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICwasn't demetrius signed to fight him?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliBJS ;D;D. You're like a little machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIChe offered callum a fight & was turned down, then it looked like billy joe would get the fight, line em upQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliHe can show an interest and direction to fight everyone or anyone at the weight..it's a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyeh i just said that to p4pking above. it looked like billy joe was going to be next before covid, he fought sergey before artur & dmitry have, with only one fight at the weight, he can't fight everyone in a night. he still has fights left on his dazn deal so lets see who he fightsQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
callum turned down the fight, should canelo kidnap his family & force him to fight? callum was lucky to even be asked after the gorilla john mugged him. name a guy that you would be happy for canelo to face in his next three fights supermiddleweight & belowQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliTo fight who? BJS. Who wanted to see that preening pose fest ???. No if Canelo wants to climb new heights he can't go back to a guy who just went life and death v an unknown with 3 names none of which I can pronounce. Even divas need standards ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by TICso it's ok for demetrius to sign to fight him but not canelo?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliBoo Boo was also signed to fight a Charlo before saying he should get more money and opting out. He's now also rudderless.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICwasn't demetrius signed to fight him?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliBJS ;D;D. You're like a little machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIChe offered callum a fight & was turned down, then it looked like billy joe would get the fight, line em upQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliHe can show an interest and direction to fight everyone or anyone at the weight..it's a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyeh i just said that to p4pking above. it looked like billy joe was going to be next before covid, he fought sergey before artur & dmitry have, with only one fight at the weight, he can't fight everyone in a night. he still has fights left on his dazn deal so lets see who he fightsQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Canelo wasn't in his prime against Floyd or anyone from 6 or 7 years ago. His improvement in the past couple of years is plain to see and he's still only 29. There's not a single guy at 160/168 who could have been favourite stepping up to face Kovalev.
He has the best resume in boxing by miles (excluding Pac), hence why every reputable publication have him P4P no.1
Salty fan feelings don't trump facts. Fact.
Trout - meh ! Why shouldn’t he have fought him and beat him at the time? Or do you have to have a whole career of dead certs?Quote:
Originally Posted by TICdo you think austin, floyd, erislandy, ggg & jacobs were clever matching?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Floyd - no . I said that, if you care to look.
Lara - a lot of people thought he lost.
GGG - undoubtedly yes! I have to say it’s just as much Golovkin’s fault for hanging on Canelo’s nuts for the big payday. But there’s no doubt he waited for Golovkin to grow old . Have to say, he fully deserved his win and draw in my opinion .
Jacobs - kinda. I like Jacobs, but he wasn’t active enough in his career fights wise for whatever reasons , GBP took advantage of that and sneaked a win.
You make it sound like me saying he was cleverly matched is a criticism, whereas it’s not , if anything it’s a compliment. “Law of the Jungle, A-side,B-side” and all that.
But hey, i’ll See your names, and raise you Rhodes, Hatton, Gomez,Cintron , Moseley, Angulo, Kirkland, Khan, Liam Smith, Chavez, Fielding and Kovalev, and tell me he wasn’t “cleverly matched” against them?
Don’t get me wrong, with his record, I wouldn’t argue too strongly with his p4p ranking.
It’s not insulting him to say he could lose to Callum Smith and he would lose to Bivol and Beterbiev. they’re bigger guys with loads of power to someone who started at WW.
There isn't a fighter who ever boxed you can't play that game with. Canelo has fought a slew of guys he'd get major flack for having not fought otherwise, in fact most of them. Whether anyone like him personally or the way his team negotiates means sweet fuck all... That shouldn't have to be said, but apparently does.
I do not think Canelo has improved enough to beat that Floyd he lost against. He is still slow footed, does not cut the ring enough and gets out boxed for many rounds.
wasn't trout for the ring belt? he was considered a top guy. i know you said floyd but was it clever matching? it was good money but a serious challenge against one of the best fighters of recent times. he chose to fight erislandy. do you think he was the pick to win the ggg fights? so sergiy d shouldn't have bothered fighting the old guy? he fought jacobs after his performance against ggg. by saying matched cleverly you make it sound like he wasn't in risky fights. every fighter has some padding. canelo would retire callum, dmitry & artur are big risks who fight two weights above middleweight & as you say canelo started at welterweightQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraTrout - meh ! Why shouldn’t he have fought him and beat him at the time? Or do you have to have a whole career of dead certs?Quote:
Originally Posted by TICdo you think austin, floyd, erislandy, ggg & jacobs were clever matching?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Floyd - no . I said that, if you care to look.
Lara - a lot of people thought he lost.
GGG - undoubtedly yes! I have to say it’s just as much Golovkin’s fault for hanging on Canelo’s nuts for the big payday. But there’s no doubt he waited for Golovkin to grow old . Have to say, he fully deserved his win and draw in my opinion .
Jacobs - kinda. I like Jacobs, but he wasn’t active enough in his career fights wise for whatever reasons , GBP took advantage of that and sneaked a win.
You make it sound like me saying he was cleverly matched is a criticism, whereas it’s not , if anything it’s a compliment. “Law of the Jungle, A-side,B-side” and all that.
But hey, i’ll See your names, and raise you Rhodes, Hatton, Gomez,Cintron , Moseley, Angulo, Kirkland, Khan, Liam Smith, Chavez, Fielding and Kovalev, and tell me he wasn’t “cleverly matched” against them?
Don’t get me wrong, with his record, I wouldn’t argue too strongly with his p4p ranking.
It’s not insulting him to say he could lose to Callum Smith and he would lose to Bivol and Beterbiev. they’re bigger guys with loads of power to someone who started at WW.
canelo fights at middleweight & above these days, floyd was never great enough to make it to that weightQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
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Originally Posted by TICcanelo fights at middleweight & above these days, floyd was never great enough big enough to begin with to make it to that weightQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Fixed it for ya. :p
no i had it right the first time. other greats started at lighter weights than floyd & fought at middleweight. you are like this girl when someone mentions caneloQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICcanelo fights at middleweight & above these days, floyd was never great enough big enough to begin with to make it to that weightQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Fixed it for ya. :p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0GW0Vnr9Yc
Ah, but you weren't talking about "other greats" were you.
You were talking about Floyd and Canelo, with the supreme, foolish ignorance that would drive you to mention them in the same sentence.
Canelo started his career at 140 before quickly moving to welter... hardly a stretch that he would balloon up to light heavy, all the while claiming he couldn't.... and dragging people to catchweights.
Floyd started at superfeather and stayed there for quite some time.
But you just keep drinking that fanboy Kook-Aid and telling us how Canelo belongs in the same universe as Floyd.
Meanwhile I'll get you some SCA monogrammed kneepads for Christmas.
are you beanz? telling people what they were saying. i was replying to master who said he doesn't think canelo has improved enough to beat floyd. i said canelo now fights at middleweight & above, a weight that floyd was never great enough to fight at. other greats who started lighter than floyd & went to middleweight or higher are greater than floyd for that reason alone. so we can't say floyd would beat canelo as a middleweight, because he wasn't great enough to fight at that weight, like other greats did. nothing about canelo being a great, i'll wait until his career is overQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
My point still stands, I do not think Canelo has technically improved enough to beat that Floyd he lost against.
He still has slow foot work, does not effectively cut the ring quick enough and gets out boxed for far too many rounds.
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Originally Posted by TICare you beanz? telling people what they were saying. i was replying to master who said he doesn't think canelo has improved enough to beat floyd. i said canelo now fights at middleweight & above, a weight that floyd was never great enough to fight at. other greats who started lighter than floyd & went to middleweight or higher are greater than floyd for that reason alone. so we can't say floyd would beat canelo as a middleweight, because he wasn't great enough to fight at that weight, like other greats did. nothing about canelo being a great, i'll wait until his career is overQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Oh heavens no! BTW, you can't use profanities in here.
You said "floyd was never great enough to make it to that weight"
I corrected you and said it's not a matter of not being "great enough". Floyd started at superfeather, surely you must know enough to know it's quite a stretch to expect Floyd to be successful at middle.
It doesn't matter which dumbasses might agree with you.
it is a matter of not being great enough. other greats started at lighter weights than floyd but tested themselves at middleweight, it is a great stretch to start so light & test yourself at middleweight, never mentioned success. surely if other greats have done it then someone who considers themselves the best ever should be held to the same standard yeh? so my statement stands, floyd was never great enough to make it to that weightQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICare you beanz? telling people what they were saying. i was replying to master who said he doesn't think canelo has improved enough to beat floyd. i said canelo now fights at middleweight & above, a weight that floyd was never great enough to fight at. other greats who started lighter than floyd & went to middleweight or higher are greater than floyd for that reason alone. so we can't say floyd would beat canelo as a middleweight, because he wasn't great enough to fight at that weight, like other greats did. nothing about canelo being a great, i'll wait until his career is overQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Oh heavens no! BTW, you can't use profanities in here.
You said "floyd was never great enough to make it to that weight"
I corrected you and said it's not a matter of not being "great enough". Floyd started at superfeather, surely you must know enough to know it's quite a stretch to expect Floyd to be successful at middle.
It doesn't matter which dumbasses might agree with you.