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Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita
Sweden has now overtaken the UK, Italy and Belgium to have the highest coronavirus per capita death rate in the world, throwing its decision to avoid a strict lockdown into further doubt.
But as its neighbours in Norway, Denmark, and Finland, who all put in place much tighter restrictions, have seen dramatically lower numbers of deaths over the past month, the strategy has also come under growing criticism.
Frodo Forland, Norway's state epidemiologist, last week complained that there had been almost no critical debate or media coverage of the high death rate in Sweden.
"It feels like you want to support your own government and strategy," he told the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper. "But Sweden is going against the whole world."
Lena Einhorn, a Swedish virologist and author, told the Daily Telegraph that she was frustrated that Tegnell and his team still refused to alter the country's strategy despite growing evidence of failure.
"They have made a decision and if they admit they have taken a bad decision that means taking responsibility for creating a bad situation," she said.
There were people posting here saying how Russia did such a great job from the start and had no infections. By closing their border. where are those people now? Russia is now the second worst impacted country in the world after the United States.
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Rodrigues says Swedish schools aren't practicing strict physical distancing or hygiene measures
Rodrigues works with a class of 22 preschoolers. She believes she's been exposed to the virus from her live-in fiance, who experienced the telltale symptoms and works in an airport, but she was still required to report to work when she alerted her boss she was living with a presumptive COVID-positive person.
Sweden's public health agency says people can continue going to work or school if they live with someone with the disease as long as they're not showing symptoms. The World Health Organization, meanwhile, has emphasized that asymptomatic people can and do spread the disease.
Rodrigues doesn't wear a mask because she worries she'd get fired for spreading fear. She said she can't even attempt to keep the little ones apart. "What's the point of them being there if they cannot play with each other?" she said. She's simply told to take the class outside as much as possible, where the risk of COVID-19 transmission is lower.
"I always wonder how many people will die because of me," she said.
Other parents in the Facebook group say their kids' schools follow uncomfortably light physical distancing and hygiene practices, like simply keeping a chair between (mask-less) students while eating but not in the classroom. School nurses have told multiple parents in the group taking further precautions is unnecessary because "all of us are going to get Covid19."
But Rodrigues and other experts believe that attitude is insufficient to safeguard people from the coronavirus.
"Each infected child infects two to three other children a week, who then infect their parents and grandparents," Jorn Klein, an associate Professor in Microbiology and Infection Prevention, at the University of South Eastern Norway, told Reuters. "From a pure infection prevention perspective, it does not make sense to keep the schools and kindergartens open."
In France, 70 new cases of the coronavirus were recently reported after the country opened some preschools and elementary schools, even with social distancing in place.
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Damn Steve we have enough wuhan threads just use the ones we have
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They were always going to have more initial cases and deaths than they would have had with a strict lockdown, that takes very little to grasp really. There is no point speculating as to whether they have taken the right approach until we can look at the long game. Barring a vaccine that becomes widely available in an incredibly short period of time all things considering, herd immunity is an outcome, not a strategy, and this seems to be lost on many. Only time will tell.
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NoSavingByTheBell
Sweden has now overtaken the UK, Italy and Belgium to have the highest coronavirus per capita death rate in the world, throwing its decision to avoid a strict lockdown into further doubt.
But as its neighbours in Norway, Denmark, and Finland, who all put in place much tighter restrictions, have seen dramatically lower numbers of deaths over the past month, the strategy has also come under growing criticism.
Frodo Forland, Norway's state epidemiologist, last week complained that there had been almost no critical debate or media coverage of the high death rate in Sweden.
"It feels like you want to support your own government and strategy," he told the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper. "But Sweden is going against the whole world."
Lena Einhorn, a Swedish virologist and author, told the Daily Telegraph that she was frustrated that Tegnell and his team still refused to alter the country's strategy despite growing evidence of failure.
"They have made a decision and if they admit they have taken a bad decision that means taking responsibility for creating a bad situation," she said.
There were people posting here saying how Russia did such a great job from the start and had no infections. By closing their border. where are those people now? Russia is now the second worst impacted country in the world after the United States.
Uh Brock, is there a link that confirms this stat? Because Worldometers says different.
Don’t get me wrong, I personally believe that the Swedish way of dealing this is at best a big gamble, but at worst, utter madness!
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NoSavingByTheBell
Sweden has now overtaken the UK, Italy and Belgium to have the highest coronavirus per capita death rate in the world, throwing its decision to avoid a strict lockdown into further doubt.
But as its neighbours in Norway, Denmark, and Finland, who all put in place much tighter restrictions, have seen dramatically lower numbers of deaths over the past month, the strategy has also come under growing criticism.
Frodo Forland, Norway's state epidemiologist, last week complained that there had been almost no critical debate or media coverage of the high death rate in Sweden.
"It feels like you want to support your own government and strategy," he told the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper. "But Sweden is going against the whole world."
Lena Einhorn, a Swedish virologist and author, told the Daily Telegraph that she was frustrated that Tegnell and his team still refused to alter the country's strategy despite growing evidence of failure.
"They have made a decision and if they admit they have taken a bad decision that means taking responsibility for creating a bad situation," she said.
There were people posting here saying how Russia did such a great job from the start and had no infections. By closing their border. where are those people now? Russia is now the second worst impacted country in the world after the United States.
Uh Brock, is there a link that confirms this stat? Because Worldometers says different.
Don’t get me wrong, I personally believe that the Swedish way of dealing this is at best a big gamble, but at worst, utter madness!
Don’t pester brock for facts this is the closest he has got to end times let him enjoy it
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
Sweden has now overtaken the UK, Italy and Belgium to have the highest coronavirus per capita death rate in the world, throwing its decision to avoid a strict lockdown into further doubt.
But as its neighbours in Norway, Denmark, and Finland, who all put in place much tighter restrictions, have seen dramatically lower numbers of deaths over the past month, the strategy has also come under growing criticism.
Frodo Forland, Norway's state epidemiologist, last week complained that there had been almost no critical debate or media coverage of the high death rate in Sweden.
"It feels like you want to support your own government and strategy," he told the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper. "But Sweden is going against the whole world."
Lena Einhorn, a Swedish virologist and author, told the Daily Telegraph that she was frustrated that Tegnell and his team still refused to alter the country's strategy despite growing evidence of failure.
"They have made a decision and if they admit they have taken a bad decision that means taking responsibility for creating a bad situation," she said.
There were people posting here saying how Russia did such a great job from the start and had no infections. By closing their border. where are those people now? Russia is now the second worst impacted country in the world after the United States.
Uh Brock, is there a link that confirms this stat? Because Worldometers says different.
Don’t get me wrong, I personally believe that the Swedish way of dealing this is at best a big gamble, but at worst, utter madness!
Don’t pester brock for facts this is the closest he has got to end times let him enjoy it
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Re: Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
Sweden has now overtaken the UK, Italy and Belgium to have the highest coronavirus per capita death rate in the world, throwing its decision to avoid a strict lockdown into further doubt.
But as its neighbours in Norway, Denmark, and Finland, who all put in place much tighter restrictions, have seen dramatically lower numbers of deaths over the past month, the strategy has also come under growing criticism.
Frodo Forland, Norway's state epidemiologist, last week complained that there had been almost no critical debate or media coverage of the high death rate in Sweden.
"It feels like you want to support your own government and strategy," he told the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper. "But Sweden is going against the whole world."
Lena Einhorn, a Swedish virologist and author, told the Daily Telegraph that she was frustrated that Tegnell and his team still refused to alter the country's strategy despite growing evidence of failure.
"They have made a decision and if they admit they have taken a bad decision that means taking responsibility for creating a bad situation," she said.
There were people posting here saying how Russia did such a great job from the start and had no infections. By closing their border. where are those people now? Russia is now the second worst impacted country in the world after the United States.
Uh Brock, is there a link that confirms this stat? Because Worldometers says different.
Don’t get me wrong, I personally believe that the Swedish way of dealing this is at best a big gamble, but at worst, utter madness!
Google The Telegraph of today's date and my name if you care to get it from ME is Bob.
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DELETE THIS THREAD
That's just my opinion. That's what the mods should do. We don't need to anymore COVID threads. No disrespect NoSavingByBell but cmon man, this is the 3rd thread you've started on COVID.
To be honest we only need one. The mods should just lump all COVID threads into one and be done. We have enough COVID threads.
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Okay with me. Cheers 🙂. Delete!
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I have been unable from my iPhone to do it. I will get to a laptop to try delete this thread
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But just for the record Danilson 3.0 it is only the second thread I started, not the third
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All very interesting, but where is the actual data?
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Gandalf
All very interesting, but where is the actual data?
In his head.
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I do not disagree with the mortality rate, but by building up immunity in many, where are the millions of organ failures? Again do not get me wrong, I know it happens for some, but I am not making grand numerical claims here. Surely the Swedes would be in terrible trouble with people reporting lung and heart and kidney damage in huge numbers. Is that happening? Is this backed up by the data Nobel?
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NoSavingByTheBell
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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NoSavingByTheBell
Sweden has now overtaken the UK, Italy and Belgium to have the highest coronavirus per capita death rate in the world, throwing its decision to avoid a strict lockdown into further doubt.
But as its neighbours in Norway, Denmark, and Finland, who all put in place much tighter restrictions, have seen dramatically lower numbers of deaths over the past month, the strategy has also come under growing criticism.
Frodo Forland, Norway's state epidemiologist, last week complained that there had been almost no critical debate or media coverage of the high death rate in Sweden.
"It feels like you want to support your own government and strategy," he told the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper. "But Sweden is going against the whole world."
Lena Einhorn, a Swedish virologist and author, told the Daily Telegraph that she was frustrated that Tegnell and his team still refused to alter the country's strategy despite growing evidence of failure.
"They have made a decision and if they admit they have taken a bad decision that means taking responsibility for creating a bad situation," she said.
There were people posting here saying how Russia did such a great job from the start and had no infections. By closing their border. where are those people now? Russia is now the second worst impacted country in the world after the United States.
Uh Brock, is there a link that confirms this stat? Because Worldometers says different.
Don’t get me wrong, I personally believe that the Swedish way of dealing this is at best a big gamble, but at worst, utter madness!
Google The Telegraph of today's date and my name if you care to get it from ME is Bob.
If you wanted to hide your identity you shouldn’t have used info I shared with you when we used to talk via email. You shouldn’t have disliked long time members posts on your first day, became friends with beanz on your first day, and try to change your writing style going as far as forgetting English when you were confronted early on. You were much too loud since day one, you should have played it cool. It was so obvious on day one but I was surprised you slipped up and used info I told you off the forum I figure you were probably drinking that night but most of us knew from the get it was you anyway
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Gandalf
I do not disagree with the mortality rate, but by building up immunity in many, where are the millions of organ failures? Again do not get me wrong, I know it happens for some, but I am not making grand numerical claims here. Surely the Swedes would be in terrible trouble with people reporting lung and heart and kidney damage in huge numbers. Is that happening? Is this backed up by the data Nobel?
You're only questioning the data because Sweden is a white nation. In fact Sweden is the mother of all white nations. And you don't like to see white nations, especially nations like Sweden associated with disease.
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Denilson3.0
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Gandalf
I do not disagree with the mortality rate, but by building up immunity in many, where are the millions of organ failures? Again do not get me wrong, I know it happens for some, but I am not making grand numerical claims here. Surely the Swedes would be in terrible trouble with people reporting lung and heart and kidney damage in huge numbers. Is that happening? Is this backed up by the data Nobel?
You're only questioning the data because Sweden is a white nation. In fact Sweden is the mother of all white nations. And you don't like to see white nations, especially nations like Sweden associated with disease.
That is such a silly argument. Disease or viruses can occur anywhere. Weren't you the one claiming white people get it more because they are weak or something?
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Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I do not disagree with the mortality rate, but by building up immunity in many, where are the millions of organ failures? Again do not get me wrong, I know it happens for some, but I am not making grand numerical claims here. Surely the Swedes would be in terrible trouble with people reporting lung and heart and kidney damage in huge numbers. Is that happening? Is this backed up by the data Nobel?
You're only questioning the data because Sweden is a white nation. In fact Sweden is the mother of all white nations. And you don't like to see white nations, especially nations like Sweden associated with disease.
That is such a silly argument. Disease or viruses can occur anywhere. Weren't you the one claiming white people get it more because they are weak or something?
You're making a strawman. I never said that diseases or viruses can't occur any were.
I'm saying that the only reason you're questioning these facts is that you don't like the fact that a country like Sweden, which is the Mecca of whiteness, is associated with this disease. You just don't like that stain.
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Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I do not disagree with the mortality rate, but by building up immunity in many, where are the millions of organ failures? Again do not get me wrong, I know it happens for some, but I am not making grand numerical claims here. Surely the Swedes would be in terrible trouble with people reporting lung and heart and kidney damage in huge numbers. Is that happening? Is this backed up by the data Nobel?
You're only questioning the data because Sweden is a white nation. In fact Sweden is the mother of all white nations. And you don't like to see white nations, especially nations like Sweden associated with disease.
That is such a silly argument. Disease or viruses can occur anywhere. Weren't you the one claiming white people get it more because they are weak or something?
You're making a strawman. I never said that diseases or viruses can't occur any were.
I'm saying that the only reason you're questioning these facts is that you don't like the fact that a country like Sweden, which is the Mecca of whiteness, is associated with this disease. You just don't like that stain.
No, it is pointing out a racist absurdity that you made. I did not mention race until you brought it up for no good reason. That's your issue and you cannot put an argument out there that I have not posited. That is you projecting and you can deal with your own hangups.
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I do not disagree with the mortality rate, but by building up immunity in many, where are the millions of organ failures? Again do not get me wrong, I know it happens for some, but I am not making grand numerical claims here. Surely the Swedes would be in terrible trouble with people reporting lung and heart and kidney damage in huge numbers. Is that happening? Is this backed up by the data Nobel?
You're only questioning the data because Sweden is a white nation. In fact Sweden is the mother of all white nations. And you don't like to see white nations, especially nations like Sweden associated with disease.
That is such a silly argument. Disease or viruses can occur anywhere. Weren't you the one claiming white people get it more because they are weak or something?
You're making a strawman. I never said that diseases or viruses can't occur any were.
I'm saying that the only reason you're questioning these facts is that you don't like the fact that a country like Sweden, which is the Mecca of whiteness, is associated with this disease. You just don't like that stain.
All countries will be associated with the 'stain', Dennis. I have no particular affinity for the Cultural Marxist Utopia known as Sweden. I just think their approach sounds reasonable in this instance. When there is no economy there really will be no anything and then who will help the vulnerable? It goes way beyond the virus.
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Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I do not disagree with the mortality rate, but by building up immunity in many, where are the millions of organ failures? Again do not get me wrong, I know it happens for some, but I am not making grand numerical claims here. Surely the Swedes would be in terrible trouble with people reporting lung and heart and kidney damage in huge numbers. Is that happening? Is this backed up by the data Nobel?
You're only questioning the data because Sweden is a white nation. In fact Sweden is the mother of all white nations. And you don't like to see white nations, especially nations like Sweden associated with disease.
That is such a silly argument. Disease or viruses can occur anywhere. Weren't you the one claiming white people get it more because they are weak or something?
You're making a strawman. I never said that diseases or viruses can't occur any were.
I'm saying that the only reason you're questioning these facts is that you don't like the fact that a country like Sweden, which is the Mecca of whiteness, is associated with this disease. You just don't like that stain.
He does do it often. He is Captain Strawman and his buddy Captain Red Herring.
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NoSavingByTheBell
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Primo Carnera
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NoSavingByTheBell
Sweden has now overtaken the UK, Italy and Belgium to have the highest coronavirus per capita death rate in the world, throwing its decision to avoid a strict lockdown into further doubt.
But as its neighbours in Norway, Denmark, and Finland, who all put in place much tighter restrictions, have seen dramatically lower numbers of deaths over the past month, the strategy has also come under growing criticism.
Frodo Forland, Norway's state epidemiologist, last week complained that there had been almost no critical debate or media coverage of the high death rate in Sweden.
"It feels like you want to support your own government and strategy," he told the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper. "But Sweden is going against the whole world."
Lena Einhorn, a Swedish virologist and author, told the Daily Telegraph that she was frustrated that Tegnell and his team still refused to alter the country's strategy despite growing evidence of failure.
"They have made a decision and if they admit they have taken a bad decision that means taking responsibility for creating a bad situation," she said.
There were people posting here saying how Russia did such a great job from the start and had no infections. By closing their border. where are those people now? Russia is now the second worst impacted country in the world after the United States.
Uh Brock, is there a link that confirms this stat? Because Worldometers says different.
Don’t get me wrong, I personally believe that the Swedish way of dealing this is at best a big gamble, but at worst, utter madness!
Google The Telegraph of today's date and my name if you care to get it from ME is Bob.
Ok Bob, Steve, Brock, Bell, whatever you want to call yourself today. Quite Frankly, I couldn’t give a flying fuck, but this is what your “Source” actually said.
“However, Sweden has only had the highest death rate over the past week, with Belgium, Spain, Italy, the UK and France, still ahead over the entire course of the pandemic.“
So it doesn’t have the highest death rate per capita, does it? Hey, that trend may continue and worsen, who knows. Very few of us have crystal balls stuck up our asses.
Not sure why you couldn’t copy and paste that bit, it was pretty straightforward. Perhaps the truth wasn’t quite dramatic enough to suit your point.
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It is pretty high, but few deaths relatively speaking. People forget that people die everyday and still low there with things open.
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Gandalf
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Denilson3.0
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Gandalf
I do not disagree with the mortality rate, but by building up immunity in many, where are the millions of organ failures? Again do not get me wrong, I know it happens for some, but I am not making grand numerical claims here. Surely the Swedes would be in terrible trouble with people reporting lung and heart and kidney damage in huge numbers. Is that happening? Is this backed up by the data Nobel?
You're only questioning the data because Sweden is a white nation. In fact Sweden is the mother of all white nations. And you don't like to see white nations, especially nations like Sweden associated with disease.
That is such a silly argument. Disease or viruses can occur anywhere. Weren't you the one claiming white people get it more because they are weak or something?
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I do not disagree with the mortality rate, but by building up immunity in many, where are the millions of organ failures? Again do not get me wrong, I know it happens for some, but I am not making grand numerical claims here. Surely the Swedes would be in terrible trouble with people reporting lung and heart and kidney damage in huge numbers. Is that happening? Is this backed up by the data Nobel?
You're only questioning the data because Sweden is a white nation. In fact Sweden is the mother of all white nations. And you don't like to see white nations, especially nations like Sweden associated with disease.
That is such a silly argument. Disease or viruses can occur anywhere. Weren't you the one claiming white people get it more because they are weak or something?
You're making a strawman. I never said that diseases or viruses can't occur any were.
I'm saying that the only reason you're questioning these facts is that you don't like the fact that a country like Sweden, which is the Mecca of whiteness, is associated with this disease. You just don't like that stain.
No, it is pointing out a racist absurdity that you made. I did not mention race until you brought it up for no good reason. That's your issue and you cannot put an argument out there that I have not posited. That is you projecting and you can deal with your own hangups.
If the thread stated that Nigeria or Cameroon had the highest COVID rates you wouldn't have questioned it.
Sweden is symbolically a pure white nation that's why you question these facts.
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Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I do not disagree with the mortality rate, but by building up immunity in many, where are the millions of organ failures? Again do not get me wrong, I know it happens for some, but I am not making grand numerical claims here. Surely the Swedes would be in terrible trouble with people reporting lung and heart and kidney damage in huge numbers. Is that happening? Is this backed up by the data Nobel?
You're only questioning the data because Sweden is a white nation. In fact Sweden is the mother of all white nations. And you don't like to see white nations, especially nations like Sweden associated with disease.
That is such a silly argument. Disease or viruses can occur anywhere. Weren't you the one claiming white people get it more because they are weak or something?
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I do not disagree with the mortality rate, but by building up immunity in many, where are the millions of organ failures? Again do not get me wrong, I know it happens for some, but I am not making grand numerical claims here. Surely the Swedes would be in terrible trouble with people reporting lung and heart and kidney damage in huge numbers. Is that happening? Is this backed up by the data Nobel?
You're only questioning the data because Sweden is a white nation. In fact Sweden is the mother of all white nations. And you don't like to see white nations, especially nations like Sweden associated with disease.
That is such a silly argument. Disease or viruses can occur anywhere. Weren't you the one claiming white people get it more because they are weak or something?
You're making a strawman. I never said that diseases or viruses can't occur any were.
I'm saying that the only reason you're questioning these facts is that you don't like the fact that a country like Sweden, which is the Mecca of whiteness, is associated with this disease. You just don't like that stain.
No, it is pointing out a racist absurdity that you made. I did not mention race until you brought it up for no good reason. That's your issue and you cannot put an argument out there that I have not posited. That is you projecting and you can deal with your own hangups.
If the thread stated that Nigeria or Cameroon had the highest COVID rates you wouldn't have questioned it.
Sweden is symbolically a pure white nation that's why you question these facts.
What on earth are you trying to argue?
Stop inventing positions and stick to arguments that have actually been made.
I consider Sweden to have been a basket case when it comes to immigration. However, that is another issue entirely.
And you want to talk about strawmen? Crikey.
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Gandalf
What on earth are you trying to argue?
Normally I ignore you, even when you quote me. But from time to time I have to point out certain contradictions.
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Gandalf
I consider Sweden to have been a basket case when it comes to immigration. However, that is another issue entirely.
That means there's too many black people in Sweden.
But you're not brave enough to talk like that. So you take the cowards way out and say "Sweden to have been a basket case when it comes to immigration." as I say you can slip this line at a cocktail party and as long as you can act civilized you sneak around the halls of Academia, you are safe.
You don't give a crap if white immigrants from neighbouring places Norway, Denmark are immigrants in Sweden.
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Stop inventing positions and stick to arguments that have actually been made.
What white supremacists does is present their point of view right up until it is a clearly racist statement.
The way white supremacists "claim" all the important stuff was invented by white people, but fall short of actually saying white people are naturally better because of it. Or point to IQ or crime stats to make a point about black people.
They makes these statements that lead up to an obvious conclusion (that blacks are inherently dumber and more violent than whites and Asians) but short of saying whites are better b4 they stop and wink at you.
They are not going to say whites are better but they will allow their followers to say it for them.
This gives guys like you an "out". Yes you have not said "There are too many black ppl in Sweden" so if someone calls you out on this you can play dumb and say "I didn't say there are many black ppl in Sweden. Stop inventing arguments....."
White supremacist have not literally said it but they imply it and they have no problem with their followers saying it.
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Denilson3.0
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Gandalf
What on earth are you trying to argue?
Normally I ignore you, even when you quote me. But from time to time I have to point out certain contradictions.
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Gandalf
I consider Sweden to have been a basket case when it comes to immigration. However, that is another issue entirely.
That means there's too many black people in Sweden.
But you're not brave enough to talk like that. So you take the cowards way out and say "Sweden to have been a basket case when it comes to immigration." as I say you can slip this line at a cocktail party and as long as you can act civilized you sneak around the halls of Academia, you are safe.
You don't give a crap if white immigrants from neighbouring places Norway, Denmark are immigrants in Sweden.
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Gandalf
Stop inventing positions and stick to arguments that have actually been made.
What white supremacists does is present their point of view right up until it is a clearly racist statement.
The way white supremacists "claim" all the important stuff was invented by white people, but fall short of actually saying white people are naturally better because of it. Or point to IQ or crime stats to make a point about black people.
They makes these statements that lead up to an obvious conclusion (that blacks are inherently dumber and more violent than whites and Asians) but short of saying whites are better b4 they stop and wink at you.
They are not going to say whites are better but they will allow their followers to say it for them.
This gives guys like you an "out". Yes you have not said "There are too many black ppl in Sweden" so if someone calls you out on this you can play dumb and say "I didn't say there are many black ppl in Sweden. Stop inventing arguments....."
White supremacist have not literally said it but they imply it and they have no problem with their followers saying it.
Shit big D made four posts that were Free of anti white comments. Didn’t take long for the racist shit to kick in
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Re: Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
What on earth are you trying to argue?
Normally I ignore you, even when you quote me. But from time to time I have to point out certain contradictions.
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I consider Sweden to have been a basket case when it comes to immigration. However, that is another issue entirely.
That means there's too many black people in Sweden.
But you're not brave enough to talk like that. So you take the cowards way out and say "Sweden to have been a basket case when it comes to immigration." as I say you can slip this line at a cocktail party and as long as you can act civilized you sneak around the halls of Academia, you are safe.
You don't give a crap if white immigrants from neighbouring places Norway, Denmark are immigrants in Sweden.
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Stop inventing positions and stick to arguments that have actually been made.
What white supremacists does is present their point of view right up until it is a clearly racist statement.
The way white supremacists "claim" all the important stuff was invented by white people, but fall short of actually saying white people are naturally better because of it. Or point to IQ or crime stats to make a point about black people.
They makes these statements that lead up to an obvious conclusion (that blacks are inherently dumber and more violent than whites and Asians) but short of saying whites are better b4 they stop and wink at you.
They are not going to say whites are better but they will allow their followers to say it for them.
This gives guys like you an "out". Yes you have not said "There are too many black ppl in Sweden" so if someone calls you out on this you can play dumb and say "I didn't say there are many black ppl in Sweden. Stop inventing arguments....."
White supremacist have not literally said it but they imply it and they have no problem with their followers saying it.
Shit big D made four posts that were Free of anti white comments. Didn’t take long for the racist shit to kick in
What anti white comments have I written so far ?
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Re: Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
What on earth are you trying to argue?
Normally I ignore you, even when you quote me. But from time to time I have to point out certain contradictions.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I consider Sweden to have been a basket case when it comes to immigration. However, that is another issue entirely.
That means there's too many black people in Sweden.
But you're not brave enough to talk like that. So you take the cowards way out and say "Sweden to have been a basket case when it comes to immigration." as I say you can slip this line at a cocktail party and as long as you can act civilized you sneak around the halls of Academia, you are safe.
You don't give a crap if white immigrants from neighbouring places Norway, Denmark are immigrants in Sweden.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Stop inventing positions and stick to arguments that have actually been made.
What white supremacists does is present their point of view right up until it is a clearly racist statement.
The way white supremacists "claim" all the important stuff was invented by white people, but fall short of actually saying white people are naturally better because of it. Or point to IQ or crime stats to make a point about black people.
They makes these statements that lead up to an obvious conclusion (that blacks are inherently dumber and more violent than whites and Asians) but short of saying whites are better b4 they stop and wink at you.
They are not going to say whites are better but they will allow their followers to say it for them.
This gives guys like you an "out". Yes you have not said "There are too many black ppl in Sweden" so if someone calls you out on this you can play dumb and say "I didn't say there are many black ppl in Sweden. Stop inventing arguments....."
White supremacist have not literally said it but they imply it and they have no problem with their followers saying it.
Shit big D made four posts that were Free of anti white comments. Didn’t take long for the racist shit to kick in
What anti white comments have I written so far ?
Probably so ingrained in you you don’t even notice
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Re: Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
What on earth are you trying to argue?
Normally I ignore you, even when you quote me. But from time to time I have to point out certain contradictions.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I consider Sweden to have been a basket case when it comes to immigration. However, that is another issue entirely.
That means there's too many black people in Sweden.
But you're not brave enough to talk like that. So you take the cowards way out and say "Sweden to have been a basket case when it comes to immigration." as I say you can slip this line at a cocktail party and as long as you can act civilized you sneak around the halls of Academia, you are safe.
You don't give a crap if white immigrants from neighbouring places Norway, Denmark are immigrants in Sweden.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Stop inventing positions and stick to arguments that have actually been made.
What white supremacists does is present their point of view right up until it is a clearly racist statement.
The way white supremacists "claim" all the important stuff was invented by white people, but fall short of actually saying white people are naturally better because of it. Or point to IQ or crime stats to make a point about black people.
They makes these statements that lead up to an obvious conclusion (that blacks are inherently dumber and more violent than whites and Asians) but short of saying whites are better b4 they stop and wink at you.
They are not going to say whites are better but they will allow their followers to say it for them.
This gives guys like you an "out". Yes you have not said "There are too many black ppl in Sweden" so if someone calls you out on this you can play dumb and say "I didn't say there are many black ppl in Sweden. Stop inventing arguments....."
White supremacist have not literally said it but they imply it and they have no problem with their followers saying it.
They been doing it like that for so long, they are subconsciously doing it, they don't even and won't even admit it, through so many generations that it has become a normal smugness ingrained in them. When one tells them, they feign outrage. Or they try to claim they didn't say that. Remember these are the great great grandchildren, in many, many cases, of the original white slave owners. The "Manifest Destiny" crowd. Fucking hell.
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Re: Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
What on earth are you trying to argue?
Normally I ignore you, even when you quote me. But from time to time I have to point out certain contradictions.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I consider Sweden to have been a basket case when it comes to immigration. However, that is another issue entirely.
That means there's too many black people in Sweden.
But you're not brave enough to talk like that. So you take the cowards way out and say "Sweden to have been a basket case when it comes to immigration." as I say you can slip this line at a cocktail party and as long as you can act civilized you sneak around the halls of Academia, you are safe.
You don't give a crap if white immigrants from neighbouring places Norway, Denmark are immigrants in Sweden.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Stop inventing positions and stick to arguments that have actually been made.
What white supremacists does is present their point of view right up until it is a clearly racist statement.
The way white supremacists "claim" all the important stuff was invented by white people, but fall short of actually saying white people are naturally better because of it. Or point to IQ or crime stats to make a point about black people.
They makes these statements that lead up to an obvious conclusion (that blacks are inherently dumber and more violent than whites and Asians) but short of saying whites are better b4 they stop and wink at you.
They are not going to say whites are better but they will allow their followers to say it for them.
This gives guys like you an "out". Yes you have not said "There are too many black ppl in Sweden" so if someone calls you out on this you can play dumb and say "I didn't say there are many black ppl in Sweden. Stop inventing arguments....."
White supremacist have not literally said it but they imply it and they have no problem with their followers saying it.
Shit big D made four posts that were Free of anti white comments. Didn’t take long for the racist shit to kick in
What anti white comments have I written so far ?
Probably so ingrained in you you don’t even notice
Right, yeah, like you guys have no prob throwing around the 13/80 principle about a certain section of the pop committing a certain % of crimes. Just throw it around arrogantly without even noticing. I see it in comments every fooking day. 13/80 or even 13/90 I see written in comments. YOu guys qwrite it and think it without even noticing.
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Re: Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
What on earth are you trying to argue?
Normally I ignore you, even when you quote me. But from time to time I have to point out certain contradictions.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I consider Sweden to have been a basket case when it comes to immigration. However, that is another issue entirely.
That means there's too many black people in Sweden.
But you're not brave enough to talk like that. So you take the cowards way out and say "Sweden to have been a basket case when it comes to immigration." as I say you can slip this line at a cocktail party and as long as you can act civilized you sneak around the halls of Academia, you are safe.
You don't give a crap if white immigrants from neighbouring places Norway, Denmark are immigrants in Sweden.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Stop inventing positions and stick to arguments that have actually been made.
What white supremacists does is present their point of view right up until it is a clearly racist statement.
The way white supremacists "claim" all the important stuff was invented by white people, but fall short of actually saying white people are naturally better because of it. Or point to IQ or crime stats to make a point about black people.
They makes these statements that lead up to an obvious conclusion (that blacks are inherently dumber and more violent than whites and Asians) but short of saying whites are better b4 they stop and wink at you.
They are not going to say whites are better but they will allow their followers to say it for them.
This gives guys like you an "out". Yes you have not said "There are too many black ppl in Sweden" so if someone calls you out on this you can play dumb and say "I didn't say there are many black ppl in Sweden. Stop inventing arguments....."
White supremacist have not literally said it but they imply it and they have no problem with their followers saying it.
Shit big D made four posts that were Free of anti white comments. Didn’t take long for the racist shit to kick in
What anti white comments have I written so far ?
Probably so ingrained in you you don’t even notice
Right, yeah, like you guys have no prob throwing around the 13/80 principle about a certain section of the pop committing a certain % of crimes. Just throw it around arrogantly without even noticing. I see it in comments every fooking day. 13/80 or even 13/90 I see written in comments. YOu guys qwrite it and think it without even noticing.
Just start another wuhan thread despite us already having to many Michael Brock 50p Italian
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Re: Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
What on earth are you trying to argue?
Normally I ignore you, even when you quote me. But from time to time I have to point out certain contradictions.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I consider Sweden to have been a basket case when it comes to immigration. However, that is another issue entirely.
That means there's too many black people in Sweden.
But you're not brave enough to talk like that. So you take the cowards way out and say "Sweden to have been a basket case when it comes to immigration." as I say you can slip this line at a cocktail party and as long as you can act civilized you sneak around the halls of Academia, you are safe.
You don't give a crap if white immigrants from neighbouring places Norway, Denmark are immigrants in Sweden.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Stop inventing positions and stick to arguments that have actually been made.
What white supremacists does is present their point of view right up until it is a clearly racist statement.
The way white supremacists "claim" all the important stuff was invented by white people, but fall short of actually saying white people are naturally better because of it. Or point to IQ or crime stats to make a point about black people.
They makes these statements that lead up to an obvious conclusion (that blacks are inherently dumber and more violent than whites and Asians) but short of saying whites are better b4 they stop and wink at you.
They are not going to say whites are better but they will allow their followers to say it for them.
This gives guys like you an "out". Yes you have not said "There are too many black ppl in Sweden" so if someone calls you out on this you can play dumb and say "I didn't say there are many black ppl in Sweden. Stop inventing arguments....."
White supremacist have not literally said it but they imply it and they have no problem with their followers saying it.
None of what you are saying or doing here makes any sense. You brought race into a thread that has nothing to do with race.
That was the original strawman. You are inventing an argument.
I do not disagree with Sweden's approach here. I don't think it has anything to do with race. If you want to talk about race maybe you should start a thread.
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Re: Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
What on earth are you trying to argue?
Normally I ignore you, even when you quote me. But from time to time I have to point out certain contradictions.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I consider Sweden to have been a basket case when it comes to immigration. However, that is another issue entirely.
That means there's too many black people in Sweden.
But you're not brave enough to talk like that. So you take the cowards way out and say "Sweden to have been a basket case when it comes to immigration." as I say you can slip this line at a cocktail party and as long as you can act civilized you sneak around the halls of Academia, you are safe.
You don't give a crap if white immigrants from neighbouring places Norway, Denmark are immigrants in Sweden.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Stop inventing positions and stick to arguments that have actually been made.
What white supremacists does is present their point of view right up until it is a clearly racist statement.
The way white supremacists "claim" all the important stuff was invented by white people, but fall short of actually saying white people are naturally better because of it. Or point to IQ or crime stats to make a point about black people.
They makes these statements that lead up to an obvious conclusion (that blacks are inherently dumber and more violent than whites and Asians) but short of saying whites are better b4 they stop and wink at you.
They are not going to say whites are better but they will allow their followers to say it for them.
This gives guys like you an "out". Yes you have not said "There are too many black ppl in Sweden" so if someone calls you out on this you can play dumb and say "I didn't say there are many black ppl in Sweden. Stop inventing arguments....."
White supremacist have not literally said it but they imply it and they have no problem with their followers saying it.
Shit big D made four posts that were Free of anti white comments. Didn’t take long for the racist shit to kick in
What anti white comments have I written so far ?
Probably so ingrained in you you don’t even notice
Right, yeah, like you guys have no prob throwing around the 13/80 principle about a certain section of the pop committing a certain % of crimes. Just throw it around arrogantly without even noticing. I see it in comments every fooking day. 13/80 or even 13/90 I see written in comments. YOu guys qwrite it and think it without even noticing.
Off script again Brock. Start another thread if you want to hash that out.
I will point out facts and you can either accept or deny them, but surely this thread is about Sweden butchering its own people, right? It is your thread so own it.
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Re: Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
None of what you are saying or doing here makes any sense.
What part of what I wrote are you struggling to understand ?
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
You brought race into a thread that has nothing to do with race.
The problem is not that I see racism in everything. The problem is that people like you and ppl who think like you see racism in nothing.
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
That was the original strawman. You are inventing an argument.
OK. But I'm not lying.
You suffer in the area of perception, it’s limited to what other people you respect have told you as opposed to finding your own knowledge and understanding. You're like a ref who catches the end of the play and call the foul based on what you saw. I on the other hand have seen the play develop and saw the first elbow thrown. Your information concentrates on the end result and my observations speculate on the cause.
You like to present yourself neutral and objective, all about facts and reasons, but when facts came in about Sweden all of sudden you questioned it. Why ? Because it's all show, more for your own benefit than for mine because you certainly are not fooling me.
Calling me radical is the ultimate compliment, cause that means I'm blazing my own path, long as I keep moving, its all good.
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Re: Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
None of what you are saying or doing here makes any sense.
What part of what I wrote are you struggling to understand ?
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
You brought race into a thread that has nothing to do with race.
The problem is not that I see racism in everything. The problem is that people like you and ppl who think like you see racism in nothing.
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
That was the original strawman. You are inventing an argument.
OK. But I'm not lying.
You suffer in the area of perception, it’s limited to what other people you respect have told you as opposed to finding your own knowledge and understanding. You're like a ref who catches the end of the play and call the foul based on what you saw. I on the other hand have seen the play develop and saw the first elbow thrown. Your information concentrates on the end result and my observations speculate on the cause.
You like to present yourself neutral and objective, all about facts and reasons, but when facts came in about Sweden all of sudden you questioned it. Why ? Because it's all show, more for your own benefit than for mine because you certainly are not fooling me.
Calling me radical is the ultimate compliment, cause that means I'm blazing my own path, long as I keep moving, its all good.
Its like I had said, his data is always "true" but he says others' data is "illegitimate\insufficient/false". He wants to set the bar for what consitutes "sufficient" and what does "not."
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Re: Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita
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Re: Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita
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Re: Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
None of what you are saying or doing here makes any sense.
What part of what I wrote are you struggling to understand ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
You brought race into a thread that has nothing to do with race.
The problem is not that I see racism in everything. The problem is that people like you and ppl who think like you see racism in nothing.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gandalf
That was the original strawman. You are inventing an argument.
OK. But I'm not lying.
You suffer in the area of perception, it’s limited to what other people you respect have told you as opposed to finding your own knowledge and understanding. You're like a ref who catches the end of the play and call the foul based on what you saw. I on the other hand have seen the play develop and saw the first elbow thrown. Your information concentrates on the end result and my observations speculate on the cause.
You like to present yourself neutral and objective, all about facts and reasons, but when facts came in about Sweden all of sudden you questioned it. Why ? Because it's all show, more for your own benefit than for mine because you certainly are not fooling me.
Calling me radical is the ultimate compliment, cause that means I'm blazing my own path, long as I keep moving, its all good.
The part I really have no understanding of is why race is even being brought into this topic. It is not relevant. It was an obvious straw man argument which you then accused me of using against you.
You are projecting and lying as I do not see this from a racial angle. I happen to think people of all races can get sick from a virus. Now maybe it will affect different races in different numbers, but again that is not what this thread is about. You are the one seeing something racial here, not me.
I questioned the data about Sweden because frankly they haven't locked down a country and still only a few thousand people have died. Now, do you know how many people die every day in a country? It is a lot of people and if you can keep that country functioning whilst inevitably some people die, then by maintaining an economy you can save a lot more people down the line by actually having a functioning healthcare system.
I am not trying to fool you or even care about your racial hangups. Are there group differences? Is that the argument you once again want to have? Well, if so, then start a thread on it. Even the lefties on here have admitted it is true, so what is the issue? Basically feelings and I do not care about that. All I care about is what is real.
And what is likewise real is that Sweden has 3,000 dead as compared with 35,000 plus dead in the UK despite people being locked in their homes being deprived of vitamin D and no way of paying off the accumulated debt as ordinary people cannot work.
That has lasting consequences. Quit with the racial bollocks on the main boards as you will be banned again. If you would like a private debate, then I am all for it, but don't bring your agenda into unrelated threads exposing your own personal problems.
