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Sullivan brought it to the world, bareknuckle to gloves.
Corbet considered the first technical boxer.
Jeffries was known to take a pounding, wears his foe down, using a crouching style.
Fitzsimmons 1st 3 division champ of the sport- beat the man (Corbit) who beat the man (Sullivan)
Who ranks 1st? 2nd, 3rd 4th?
You have to go by the record book but Sullivan was bare knuckle champion.
If I had to pick Jeffries, Fitz, Corbitt and then Sullivan.
Ok,Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Jeffries, then Sullivan Fitz, Corbitt for me !:cool:
There is a black and white film starring Errol Flynn who plays Corbett and beats an old Sullivan.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeOk,Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Jeffries, then Sullivan Fitz, Corbitt for me !:cool:
I've seen it, decent flick.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThere is a black and white film starring Errol Flynn who plays Corbett and beats an old Sullivan.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeOk,Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Jeffries, then Sullivan Fitz, Corbitt for me !:cool:
Sullivan was old by the time they fought and whiskey had ruined him. I'd say they go in order as it is.
I dont think any of them last a round with a good fighter today. A fringe contender from the 90s would steamroll them.
here you cansee them in an iconic moment or 2 standing all together. Check out O Sullivan's feints. He must have been a cobra. Also Joe Choynski who KO'ed Jack Johnson in 1901
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esnq-orAvo8
Fitzsimmons beats any modern super welter in my book.
I think Prime Fitz was the best of those 4.
There isn’t enough footage to make a real claim, but from my knowledge of them, it seems that Jeffries is first. He was known as the best fighter of all time during his reign (I know all time was very short at that time). Some “experts” who saw Jeffries thought he was better than boxers from decades after him. The stories of Jeffries’ workouts and feats of strength are amazing though.
Fitzsimmons I would guess would be second. Strong guy who won titles at middleweight and heavyweight. Lost to Jeffries.
The next two who knows. I mean, Sullivan basically lost and retired after Corbett. Corbett didn’t really do much with his career either. Sullivan was mostly a bare knuckle fighter.
This 10 minute clip is packed to the hilt with history. Rickard asked President Taft to ref the fight? That's hilarious. Even though I knew how much weight Jeffries had to lose, something about this 10 minute video drives home a sort of a moral victory. 300 plus pounds down to 220? then went 15 rounds? I dunno, I think this dude might have sent some modern day fighters to ICU.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Again, if he fought today, his movement and rhythm would've been today's not yesteryear.
I also like those feints at the beginning that Sullivan did.
Great video!
Yes it is really a spooky thing to know that that video was shot 110 years ago. Those feints are really great, aren't they? Remember at that time he's doing that, Sullivan was already 20 years retired. He fought Kilrain for 75 rounds in the 1890s.
I would love to see one of those guys fight the modern-day guys. You are right about Jim Jefferies. He lost 110 pounds to fight Jack Johnson after being retired for 6 years. Look at the tremendous rock-hard shape he is in for the fight. Also he was 37 years old at the time which is that fateful number for heavyweight comebacks.
Yeah imagine a u.s. president being the referee that would be really something
I wonder how AJ, Fury and Wilder would adjust to fighting 45 rounds against one another.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I would love to see it. If those guys can fight 45 rounds in the sun they would simply be tougher and stronger then the modern guys. Jim Jefferies again I have to say it lost 115 pounds to fight Jack Johnson after being retired for 6 years.
Andy Ruiz..........
His initial feint, I was like man I see that a mile away, then he jerked his head, hand again? I was like dayum!! Nice.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
As far as him getting back in shape- IMO this gives cred to old timer boxing fans that relish the past- He didn't have no Jenny Craig, no Cuisine Lean meals, no hydroxy cut, no Garcinia Cambogia no excusing ..:It's my metabolism...I can't lose weight:rolleyes:...aka no excuse making or nothing, just man the Fuck up and lose some weight by exercising.:cool:
Yes bro! Same here. I saw his first feint and I thought "this wouldn't fool fighters nowadays", but then he lurched it, jerked his head like a stutter step, and it wasn't what I thought was coming! That dude was cerebral with that shit bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeHis initial feint, I was like man I see that a mile away, then he jerked his head, hand again? I was like dayum!! Nice.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
As far as him getting back in shape- IMO this gives cred to old timer boxing fans that relish the past- He didn't have no Jenny Craig, no Cuisine Lean meals, no hydroxy cut, no Garcinia Cambogia no excusing ..:It's my metabolism...I can't lose weight:rolleyes:...aka no excuse making or nothing, just man the Fuck up and lose some weight by exercising.:cool:
Haha hydroxycut remember that shit haha Jenny Craig lmao. You're right, it does indeed give cred. They just did it. Hell, Roberto Duran used to literally eat gallons of ice cream and balloon to 220 pounds between fights, yet make weight.
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