Sullivan
Louis
Robinson
Clay-Ali
Yours?:cool:
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Sullivan
Louis
Robinson
Clay-Ali
Yours?:cool:
I really struggle to list Sullivan, Jeffries.
Jeffries beat almost everybody worth fighting! Jackson, Fitzsimmons, Corbett, Sharkey. But Sullivan made the transition from bareknuckle to gloves under the Marquess of Queensberry Rules.
Jack Johnson who was way ahead of his time and stuck 2 fingers up to white racist society.
True, his level of skill as rugged as it looks to us, was pretty fancy stuff back then!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I think I rate Sullivan on him being there before the others, but as u stated in the other thread, Jeffries is probably the man who deserves to be called a pioneer for beating everyone, only for an ill advised comeback he'd be undefeated with a stacked resume, not padded.
I rate Jack Johnson as a better heavyweight in his prime, or on the mythical P4P list but not so much as a pioneer since he himself had problems with other black fighters. Hard to say if he gave those others of his brothers a chance...he may not have had the title for any length of time.
Ali
Robinson
Marciano (need a white guy up there)
Khan
Affirmative Action huh?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
From that list Khan is the affirmative action with his weak chin of his.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeAffirmative Action huh?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
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Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Happy to see this list. Now the pressure's off.
For the whole of boxing just 4 guys? That is insanely difficult to do.
Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, Rocky Marciano
That's mine anyway. I was about to put Archie Moore or Hank Armstrong up there as well...really difficult to whittle it down to just 4. I guess a more modern one would be Tyson, Floyd, Duran, RJJ. Though shouts could be made for Lennox, Evander, Ray Leonard, Hopkins, and Calzaghe.
Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Rocky Marciano, Muhammad Ali
Wait I forgot Joe Louis..... Take out Jack JohnsonQuote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Sugar Ray Robinson
Sugar Ray Leonard
Muhammad Ali
Roberto Duran
SRR
SRL
Ali
RJJ
Seeing as it is Mount Rushmore .... ;D
Roberto Duran - Hands of STONE
ROCKy Marciano
Sonny Liston - Old STONEFACE
Primo Carnera - the Ambling ALP
When I think of the Mount Rushmore of a sport, I don’t necessarily look at who was the best but who created the biggest impact. Although being the best can go hand in hand with impact. Looking at it that way, this would be my list.
Dempsey, Louis, Ali, Tyson
Although it seems blasphemous to keep SRR off the list, I think that Mount Rushmore has to be filled with more known fighters that last through generations. And despite you liking it or not, the heavyweight division is where the biggest ratings come from.
I can see Sullivan being on there just for the mere fact that he was the first heavyweight champion, but I just don’t think he did enough to deserve it. Beyond being the first, he did nothing else. It was almost more of a right place right time situation.
Hey dude, if there are only 4 prez on the real one?:rolleyes: We're going 4 here!:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I don’t necessarily look at who was the best but who created the biggest impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
That's the key. If I went by skill, no way could I put anyone previous to the 1940s. No basketball player back then, baseball, boxer, can hang with today's. So it comes down to creator vs perfector.
I went with creators of our sport and their impact.
Mount Rushmore for the fighters who made our sport what it is.
P4P list for skilled mofos who took the game to the next level. :cool:
I missed this post. I concur. I really struggled with where to place him, more than the other HW's back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Louis, Ali, SRR and Armstrong.
My lifetime
Duran
Leonard
Pac
Roy (if he retired after Tarver 1) / Tyson (80s) / Lennox (top 10 greatest ever heavyweight) / Choco (greatest little fella?)
1. Ali
2. Tyson
3. Floyd Mayweather
4. Sugar Ray Robinson
5. Jack Johnson
My Mount Rushmore has Five.
Big fan of Roy Jones Junior and Sugar Ray Leonard but it’s not a top ten..yet.
Duran never made my list..too busy quitting and discussing his multiple losses with PacMan.
Kiss imoji!
Wink imoji!
There's always a rebel in the bunch. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Hahaha "Mount Rushmore has 5" he says it so comically. Cracked me up 😂
If Andrew Lewis gets to have six heads, I guess Rushmore can have 5. It's an affirmative action type thing I guess...:shakehead:Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
I think I'd go:
Ali
Tyson
Robinson
Leonard
That’s a good list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Sometimes Boxing fans like to drag ancient names on the list just because they felt it started with them and makes them feel justified.
But..it’s their list and everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I like to think that the list should incorporate “favourite” boxer as well as “best” boxers that can compete in “All” eras.
Marciano would get destroyed in certain eras but a Mike Tyson can compete in “every” era..that’s important to me.
Depends on how you are defining Mount Rushmore. For me it more has to do what they did for the sport of boxing. So while Tyson is nowhere near the best heavyweight ever, he is on my list because of what he did for boxing. Otherwise, I would just list the 4 best fighters ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
“Nowhere near” could be defined as outside the top 20 of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherDepends on how you are defining Mount Rushmore. For me it more has to do what they did for the sport of boxing. So while Tyson is nowhere near the best heavyweight ever, he is on my list because of what he did for boxing. Otherwise, I would just list the 4 best fighters ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Perhaps you can expand on who is above this freak of nature?
It’s your MR so can have who you want.
In no specific order :
Don King
Eddie Futch
Muhammad Ali
Michael Buffer
I get that “nowhere near” is a relative term, but he isn’t in my top 10 heavyweight list and at best, I have seen him maybe around 7 (for people who know about boxing and not casual fans).Quote:
Originally Posted by imp“Nowhere near” could be defined as outside the top 20 of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherDepends on how you are defining Mount Rushmore. For me it more has to do what they did for the sport of boxing. So while Tyson is nowhere near the best heavyweight ever, he is on my list because of what he did for boxing. Otherwise, I would just list the 4 best fighters ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Perhaps you can expand on who is above this freak of nature?
It’s your MR so can have who you want.
So just as a heavyweight, he isn’t at all the best. If we are talking all time, I can’t imagine he’s in the top 100. There are a ton of smaller fighters who are p4p better by far.
But to answer your question somewhat, people like Ali, Louis, Foreman, Lewis, Holyfield, Frazier and Holmes I think are basically inarguably better. There are more people on the list that I think have a better claim to be higher than Tyson but I won’t get too far into it. Just saying that there are most definitely better fighters than him.
love the thinking on don & michaelQuote:
Originally Posted by iwng100
LouisQuote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Ali
Robinson
Mayweather
Nice. On Buffer.Quote:
Originally Posted by iwng100
I laugh at how many ring announcers have tried a moniker or two. Forget what fight I watched, the guy said "Leeeeets GO to War!!"
meh?:(
Don King, a man so infamous, we know next to nothing about every promoter but him.
Your last pick let you down. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaLouisQuote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Ali
Robinson
Mayweather
Deffo Lee Haskins
The same head carved 4 times, or different poses?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Ranking boxers is quite a difficult task, but it’s a list that is purely down to opinion.
Some rankings hold more weight than others, but in the end, it’s still a matter of opinion.
Whenever someone names a top four in a certain sport, it’s normally dubbed their Mount Rushmore, of course, down to the famous American memorial which sees four of the United States of America’s former presidents Theodore Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson carved out onto a mountain located in the region of South Dakota.
Boxing promoter Eddie Hearn’s Mount Rushmore included Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Sugar Ray Leonard and Pernell Whitaker, when asked to choose boxer’s from the last 50 years.
So he didn’t choose a certain Floyd Mayweather, nor did he choose Manny Pacquiao.
Discussing it back in October of 2020, Hearn said, as per Boxing News 24/7: “Legends evolve over time. When you look at the weight divisions Manny Pacquiao has won world championships in, you have to say Pacquiao should be on a list like that.
“But for me, I don’t look at Floyd Mayweather as a historic boxer. One day we’ll look back on Mayweather as a great, but he’s got to be careful. To retire with dignity is a wonderful thing. To retire undefeated is amazing, but to do it with dignity and class is special. But he loves a pound note.”
Hearn clearly isn’t wrong, hence the nickname “Money” Mayweather, as well as the self proclaimed “TBE.”
However, not ranking Mayweather up there with the elites is a brave call from Hearn, but again, it is a game of opinions.
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