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John Lewis, civil rights icon, has died at 80
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-le...reatic-cancer/
Died of pancreatic cancer.... tough way to go. :(
In any case, I was never too familiar with John Lewis, but it appears he was a good man, fighting for the civil rights of blacks and even speaking alongside Martin Luther King back in the day.
He fought tirelessly throughout his life for the rights of blacks.... and yet had the humility and wisdom to speak out against the rioting and looting that accompanied the George Floyd protests.
(BTW, these are my words... not quoting or paraphrasing anybody).
In these times of racial polarization, with everything that's going on... it's a shame that Lewis couldn't live to see some real progress in the racial strife that affects the country.
Regardless of which side you're on, think one should at least recognize a good man when they see one.
Apparently he coined the phrase "good trouble", as the kind of trouble he would get into by engaging in protests for the rights of blacks.
IMO, people like these are few and far between..... and it's too bad we don't have more John Lewises.
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Re: John Lewis, civil rights icon, has died at 80
John Lewis embodied the idea of civil disobedience among many other admirable things. His efforts go way back. He also worked closely with Medgar Evers.
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Re: John Lewis, civil rights icon, has died at 80
Two posts, scratch that, three lets you know; there is no such thing as a black leader in this country. Just race baiters and racists. He took part in protests before liberals took it over, as a result it was the cops kickin ass. Today they shoot to kill.
By the time he was old enough to vote, the south still prohibited it. And when those Democratic leaders failed to stop Voting Rights & Civil Rights that John & his mentor Martin Luther King Jr. fought for- they simply changed parties and won seats as Republicans, including Ronald Reagan.
This man, John Lewis understood racism as actions not words.
Supreme Court decisions were never followed by states, what a damn shame it took federal intervention on small stuff like an inability to take integrated buss rides cross country. The Freedom Riders, led by Mr. Lewis were denied by Christians, not Muslims nor atheists.
By age 24 he had been arrested that many times, all for trying to get something called civil rights. Nobody back then could say, well lets wait and see what he got arrested for. He obeyed the law, believed in Jesus and still took beatings.
His continued whoopin' were at the hands of police, not KKK. No self respecting white man or any man will take an ass whooping for freedom-without fighting back. The scars on his head was the result of attempting to pray once he and 600 marchers got to the end of the Edmund Pettus Bridge known as Bloody Sunday as Alabama State Troopers fractured his skull.
And they wonder why so few of us believe in prayer today.
But he and Martin had that idea of following the Bible's turn the other cheek & love thy enemy like a neighbor. And his passing away shows how futile that mindset turned out to be
May peace be upon a man who had the courage to stay the course, May the creator do as Bible states once there comes a single ruler over earth- Judge the nations.
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I did not know anything about John Lewis until now after his death but what a great man he was from all accounts. RIP.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUhhBvXc_Ao
This wasn't the 1800's when slavery was a "legal" and accepted way of life.
This was in fucking 1965, barely over 50 years ago.
I've known about the Civil Rights movement and Martin Luther King most of my life. But I didn't know much about John Lewis..... and I CERTAINLY didn't know the details of that first Selma bridge march in 1965.
Fucking brutal... how fucking POLICE OFFICERS descended onto a peaceful crowd...... ran over them..... and beat them unmercifully.
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Had I been born a black person in the 1940's-'50s and been subjected to that kind of racist, segregationist shit....... I'd eventually have gotten lynched, because I would've been one rebellious, belligerent muthafukker.
It is MIND_BOGGLING how the evils of the past actually lasted SO FAR into modern times.
Which in turn makes it more understandable how there can STILL be so many fucking ignorant people when it comes to race and racial relations.
In the perspective of human history, this march was JUST THE OTHER DAY.
Affirmative Action be damned.
Band-Aids do not cure the ills of society. That's why I continue to believe that FUCK all these meaningless changing of syrup brands and old movie censoring.
What is needed is some good old fashioned "roll-up-your-sleeves" and "let's get to work" efforts to right the wrongs of the not so distant past.
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Re: John Lewis, civil rights icon, has died at 80
I'm all for it, whatever it takes, whatever works, cuz welfare is just another form of slavery, and it was deliberately done to perpetuate the evil. Slavery has never ended.
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Re: John Lewis, civil rights icon, has died at 80
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-le...reatic-cancer/
Died of pancreatic cancer.... tough way to go. :(
In any case, I was never too familiar with John Lewis, but it appears he was a good man, fighting for the civil rights of blacks and even speaking alongside Martin Luther King back in the day.
He fought tirelessly throughout his life for the rights of blacks.... and yet had the humility and wisdom to speak out against the rioting and looting that accompanied the George Floyd protests.
(BTW, these are my words... not quoting or paraphrasing anybody).
In these times of racial polarization, with everything that's going on... it's a shame that Lewis couldn't live to see some real progress in the racial strife that affects the country.
Regardless of which side you're on, think one should at least recognize a good man when they see one.
Apparently he coined the phrase "good trouble", as the kind of trouble he would get into by engaging in protests for the rights of blacks.
IMO, people like these are few and far between..... and it's too bad we don't have more John Lewises.
The only people the white media refer to as "Civil Rights Icons" are the Black people who did not advocate fighting back
John Lewis was more of an icon to white society. Because he promoted the ideology of passivity and forgiveness for white supremacist terrorism. People like Stokely Carmichael and others marched with MLK as well. But the white media never refers to Stokely as a "Civil Rights Icon" Thats because Stokely wasn't with that "nonviolent protest" bs. He wasn’t with selling out for trinkets and govt jobs.
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Dr. Khalid Mohammed would never mention in mainstream media as a civil rights icon. And they would never mention Malcolm X. as a civil rights legend. Because they did not compromise with Jim Crowe and white supremacists.
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They also pick and choose which history to teach. American schools don't teach about slave revolts, African kingdoms, African contributions to society. It's just slavery -> MLK -> civil rights act -> Obama
All this "praising" him is code for young black folk to take on the same passive docile behavior.
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Only YOU can turn praise for a truly good and admirable man (who BTW probably had 10,000 times the courage and gumption that you'll ever have)...... and twist it into some racist fantasy of yours, all the while tarnishing his legacy.
The fuck have YOU done with your 30-some years of life?
That's what I thought.
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Re: John Lewis, civil rights icon, has died at 80
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
The only people the white media refer to as "Civil Rights Icons" are the Black people who did not advocate fighting back
John Lewis was more of an icon to white society. Because he promoted the ideology of passivity and forgiveness for white supremacist terrorism. People like Stokely Carmichael and others marched with MLK as well. But the white media never refers to Stokely as a "Civil Rights Icon" Thats because Stokely wasn't with that "nonviolent protest" bs. He wasn’t with selling out for trinkets and govt jobs.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdPV_SUU...jpg&name=small
Dr. Khalid Mohammed would never mention in mainstream media as a civil rights icon. And they would never mention Malcolm X. as a civil rights legend. Because they did not compromise with Jim Crowe and white supremacists.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdQezDXU...jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdQezDlV...jpg&name=small
They also pick and choose which history to teach. American schools don't teach about slave revolts, African kingdoms, African contributions to society. It's just slavery -> MLK -> civil rights act -> Obama
All this "praising" him is code for young black folk to take on the same passive docile behavior.
One of my civics teachers was actually a Black Panther so you would be mistaken in your assumption.
John Lewis was part of the political process, he was more involved in creating change than mere protesters or rioters or organizers. "Violent protest" isn't glorified in our culture, and there's a reason for that. It isn't looked up to, it isn't hailed as something positive because it's not. It's easy to get someone to acquiesce at the barrel of a gun, it's harder to deal with those whom you dislike and distrust and disagree with and achieve a solution for all parties and THAT is held higher in our society for a reason because PEACE is fleeting and it's not the norm of human history.
"American schools don't teach about slave revolts"....like John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry? Or Nat Turner? Or Denmark Vesey? Or when the slaves ran from the Cherokee and attempted to reach Mexico? Like THOSE things? Why in America you might even learn about the New York Conspiracy of 1741 if you took the right classes. But you were saying?
African Kingdoms are relatively difficult to teach about what with their penchant for not making historical records of their dealings. I've read about the Ndebele Kingdom and the Matabele Wars...wasn't due to Ndebele warriors or elders keeping accounts of it though. It's a different culture with emphasis on different things and the majority of folks in America aren't of that culture. There's no way in hell that each and every student learns about 100% of all cultures so I don't know what to tell you....cry harder?
It's code is it? Passivity and docility are pushed upon young blacks eh? Must be why Chicago is so peaceful....oh wait, that's white supremacy :rolleyes:
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Re: John Lewis, civil rights icon, has died at 80
What a shame, a great man. I particularly liked the one with the fox on the trampoline. 'Never knowingly undersold' are wise words indeed to resound through future generations
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
John Lewis was part of the political process, he was more involved in creating change than mere protesters or rioters or organizers.
His goal was white acceptance and non violence. Not black empowerment.
Now here's the thing
Name me a white John Lewis ?
Name me a white man who in his struggle for freedom, justice and equality, land and wealth power and was assaulted by non white people that they hold up as an icon because he didn't fight bk ?
Name one ?
White folks love a Harry S Truman for dropping nuke on the Japs for Pearl Harbour
We can go down the line Jimmy Hoffa, Julius Ceasar, Braveheart, King Leonidas, Augustus Ceaser
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El Kabong
"Violent protest" isn't glorified in our culture, and there's a reason for that. It isn't looked up to, it isn't hailed as something positive because it's not.
White supremacist culture is and has been based on violence and has been that way for 400 year. White people reward their killers like General Schwarzkopf, General Westmoreland, General Patton, General MacArthur, General Eissenhower. Those killers get ribbons, stripes and bars
(Medal of Honour, Silver Star, Purple heart with cluster etc)
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
It's easy to get someone to acquiesce at the barrel of a gun
Well it's not always. USA had guns and were more technologically in terms of military that the Vietnamese. They didn't acquiesce. So America still lost and got their asses kicked by them.
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
it's harder to deal with those whom you dislike and distrust and disagree with and achieve a solution for all parties and THAT is held higher in our society for a reason because PEACE is fleeting and it's not the norm of human history.
Peace is not the norm of white supremacist history. I agree.
But if your saying that white people are by nature un-peaceful then how is John Clarke's non violent approach going to work ?
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El Kabong
i
"American schools don't teach about slave revolts"....like John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry? Or Nat Turner? Or Denmark Vesey? Or when the slaves ran from the Cherokee and attempted to reach Mexico?
Yes and I'm pretty sure you wasn't taught any of that at school
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
African Kingdoms are relatively difficult to teach about what with their penchant for not making historical records of their dealings.
They find it very easy to teach you and other that the image you have of Africa Africa is that it's a violent hellhole, savage and cruel, a place of war, genocide, famine, slums, disease, failed states, refugee camps, etc. Aids, malaria and Ebola. Idi Amin, Mugabe and now Kony. Rwanda and Darfur. Somali pirates. Corrupt government officials. Child soldiers. Black men raping virgins to spread Aids. The heroes of this piece? White saviours, like Bono and Miss Jolie.
They have no problem teaching you that.
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El Kabong
i
There's no way in hell that each and every student learns about 100% of all cultures so I don't know what to tell you....cry harder?
Why do some white people in discussions on race with a black person often want to talk about feelings ? What's feelings got to do with anything ?
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Re: John Lewis, civil rights icon, has died at 80
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
John Lewis was part of the political process, he was more involved in creating change than mere protesters or rioters or organizers.
His goal was white acceptance and non violence. Not black empowerment.
Why do some white people in discussions on race with a black person often want to talk about feelings ? What's feelings got to do with anything ?
Let's establish once again that some of us here engage you only out of morbid patience, knowing you'll never alter your extremist views on race. (There you go again....... see my thread on extremism).
Let's also be clear. John Lewis did more to attempt to advance the cause of blacks in society in any given hour of any 24-hour day of his entire life, than you can ever hope to do in a million lifetimes. Lewis was a decent man, who fought and struggled against the remnants of slavery and the white superiority complex that has followed throughout the next couple of centuries.
His goal was non-violence, yes. But let me put a question to you.
What do you think would have had more of a chance to obtain the civil rights reforms that finally resulted in the 60's (knowing there is a LOT more to go).............
a) non-violence like Lewis preached?
b) violence like you seem to prefer?
You honestly think that a bunch of Malcolm X's on their own without the balance provided by the MLK's and John Lewises of the world would've achieved the equality you speak of?
Hardly.
The real world don't work that way. You may be able to bully some white dude on the street because in your mind he's a white supremacist and you're gonna take out your frustrations on him, but....... is that really gonna change anything?
I posted the following to you and did not get an answer.
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Only YOU can turn praise for a truly good and admirable man (who BTW probably had 10,000 times the courage and gumption that you'll ever have)...... and twist it into some racist fantasy of yours, all the while tarnishing his legacy.
The fuck have YOU done with your 30-some years of life?
That's what I thought.
Why is that? Because you know when someone's on to your shtick and you decide to look elsewhere?
I'll ask again... what have YOU done with your life that qualifies you to criticize a great human being like John Lewis?
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Originally Posted by
Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
John Lewis was part of the political process, he was more involved in creating change than mere protesters or rioters or organizers.
His goal was white acceptance and non violence. Not black empowerment.
Now here's the thing
Name me a white John Lewis ?
Name me a white man who in his struggle for freedom, justice and equality, land and wealth power and was assaulted by non white people that they hold up as an icon because he didn't fight bk ?
Name one ?
White folks love a Harry S Truman for dropping nuke on the Japs for Pearl Harbour
We can go down the line Jimmy Hoffa, Julius Ceasar, Braveheart, King Leonidas, Augustus Ceaser
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
"Violent protest" isn't glorified in our culture, and there's a reason for that. It isn't looked up to, it isn't hailed as something positive because it's not.
White supremacist culture is and has been based on violence and has been that way for 400 year. White people reward their killers like General Schwarzkopf, General Westmoreland, General Patton, General MacArthur, General Eissenhower. Those killers get ribbons, stripes and bars
(Medal of Honour, Silver Star, Purple heart with cluster etc)
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
It's easy to get someone to acquiesce at the barrel of a gun
Well it's not always. USA had guns and were more technologically in terms of military that the Vietnamese. They didn't acquiesce. So America still lost and got their asses kicked by them.
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
it's harder to deal with those whom you dislike and distrust and disagree with and achieve a solution for all parties and THAT is held higher in our society for a reason because PEACE is fleeting and it's not the norm of human history.
Peace is not the norm of white supremacist history. I agree.
But if your saying that white people are by nature un-peaceful then how is John Clarke's non violent approach going to work ?
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
i
"American schools don't teach about slave revolts"....like John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry? Or Nat Turner? Or Denmark Vesey? Or when the slaves ran from the Cherokee and attempted to reach Mexico?
Yes and I'm pretty sure you wasn't taught any of that at school
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
African Kingdoms are relatively difficult to teach about what with their penchant for not making historical records of their dealings.
They find it very easy to teach you and other that the image you have of Africa Africa is that it's a violent hellhole, savage and cruel, a place of war, genocide, famine, slums, disease, failed states, refugee camps, etc. Aids, malaria and Ebola. Idi Amin, Mugabe and now Kony. Rwanda and Darfur. Somali pirates. Corrupt government officials. Child soldiers. Black men raping virgins to spread Aids. The heroes of this piece? White saviours, like Bono and Miss Jolie.
They have no problem teaching you that.
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
i
There's no way in hell that each and every student learns about 100% of all cultures so I don't know what to tell you....cry harder?
Why do some white people in discussions on race with a black person often want to talk about feelings ? What's feelings got to do with anything ?
Denilson disagreeing with me?!?!?!
Why I never in a million years would have expected this!!!!
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Re: John Lewis, civil rights icon, has died at 80
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Let's establish once again that some of us here engage you only out of morbid patience, knowing you'll never alter your extremist views on race. (There you go again....... see my thread on extremism).
I don't have extremist views on race.
I disagree with you. For some reason you seem to fall apart and can't fathom that some one that does not see the world the way you do.
Of the 2000 hate groups less than 1% are based on Black hate towards whites and over 90% are based on whites hating blacks. Go figure.
That's extremism.
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TitoFan
Let's also be clear. John Lewis did more to attempt to advance the cause of blacks in society in any given hour of any 24-hour day of his entire life, than you can ever hope to do in a million lifetimes.
What did John Lewis for black people after he was elected to congress ? He was a united states congressman for 30 years.
What did he do ?
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Lewis was a decent man, who fought and struggled against the remnants of slavery and the white superiority complex that has followed throughout the next couple of centuries.
What are you talking about ?
Black people (generally) don't care how white people think. Black people care about what white people do. A white person can have white superiority complex all day. I don't give a care about that. I'm only concerned about what he is going to do.
Remnants of slavery ? What are you talking about ?
Look. Whenever black people rose up, John Lewis was to be the good negro who would get out there and say "Well you shouldn't be rioting now. You should nt be burned down stuff now" John Lewis did nothing for black people and he dined out on being attacked in Selma on the Edmund Pettus bridge for 50 years.
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
His goal was non-violence, yes. But let me put a question to you.
What do you think would have had more of a chance to obtain the civil rights reforms that finally resulted in the 60's (knowing there is a LOT more to go).............
a) non-violence like Lewis preached?
b) violence like you seem to prefer?
You honestly think that a bunch of Malcolm X's on their own without the balance provided by the MLK's and John Lewises of the world would've achieved the equality you speak of?
Hardly.
So you're saying that white people in the 60's woke up one day and said "Hey !! We're tired of this racism. We are gonna play the game straight with black people and give them a proper slice of the cake. That John Lewis just made me see sense"
If the police were killing unarmed white children and white people at the rates they do black ppl, then white people would be blowing up police stations tomorrow.
If the shoe was on the other foot ? Whites would have a murderous rage towards blk ppl.
White people freak out at even 1% of oppression. You have some nerve.
Your preaching non violence to black people who are getting killed and certainly more so in the 60's when John Lewis was a young man
But a few months back white people were angry at not being able to get a hair cut or play golf
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In fact white people picked up guns for this. White people thought it was facism when they couldn't plant seeds in their garden.
Plus black ppl for 300 years have tried doing it the calm way. You can go to any bookstore or any library, there are films, songs, talks and speeches on racism.
But what do we get ? "Sort out your crime rate" "Sort out your illegitimacy rate out"
Colin Kapernick says "Stop killing unarmed blk ppl"
He gets blacklisted from NFL.
The reason why some civil rights were passed was because of violence.
What ? You think these violent George Floyd protests would have worked if black people were not violent and instead they sent a nice polite letter to the governor of Floyd state telling to stop systematic racism in the police.
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
The real world don't work that way. You may be able to bully some white dude on the street because in your mind he's a white supremacist and you're gonna take out your frustrations on him, but....... is that really gonna change anything?
A black person can come up to a white person and bash their skull with a rock because he doesn’t like white people but that is not racism, that is an individual acting as an individual and there is no system in place that will support his right to harm white, In fact, he will go to JAIL.
Plus blk ppl know they will be severely punished for harming a white person.
But white policeman can murder black people and get away with it because there is a system in place that allows them to do it. (the courts, the police, the judge etc)
Because the Dred Scott Supreme Court ruling, which was never overturned is still the law of the land. So the U.S. Supreme Court is partly to blame for the persistent murders of African Americans by police.
The police are the enforcement arm of white supremacy and law enforcement has been infested by white supremacists and nothing has been done to root them out.
That's why all the madness and rioting on the streets is happening.
There are white supremacist beat cops, sergeants, captains, police chiefs and prosecutors who are using sheriff departments as havens and nests were white supremacist can be hired to kill black ppl and the white supremacist district attorney will back them up on it.
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TitoFan
I'll ask again... what have YOU done with your life that qualifies you to criticize a great human being like John Lewis?
Adolf Hitler has done more in his life than I have done in a million lifetimes. What's your point ?
Does that mean Hitler is above questioning ?
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I have to admit, Denilson raises a lot of good points. I will look into Lewis and see now in my research if he can be found to be a useless congressman.
Also, its good to question things.
I think though what the others in this thread are saying, is that this was a tribute thread and somehow it got turned into white vs black again.....
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Denilson3.0
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
...knowing you'll never alter your extremist views on race.
I don't have extremist views on race.
Hmm..... saying over and over that EVERY WHITE PERSON ON EARTH IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST is extremist. Sooo... there's that.
you can't fathom that some one that does not see the world the way you do.
What.... that there might be some white people out there who are NOT white supremacists and who abhor racism as much as you do? Yeah... you goddamn right. We DON'T see the world the same way.
Of the 2000 hate groups less than 1% are based on Black hate towards whites and over 90% are based on whites hating blacks. Go figure.
Yeah? And your point? Nobody here is arguing that there are more black groups hating whites than the other way around. "Deflection", I think that's called. Stick to the point.
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Let's also be clear. John Lewis did more to attempt to advance the cause of blacks in society in any given hour of any 24-hour day of his entire life, than you can ever hope to do in a million lifetimes.
What did John Lewis for black people after he was elected to congress ? He was a united states congressman for 30 years.
What did he do ?
Oh... do you mean HOW MANY BUILDINGS DID HE BURN DOWN OR HOW MANY WHITE PEOPLE HE SHOT? Well...... I guess according to YOUR definition, he didn't do shit.
If you were a level-headed adult and were to ask the same question, I'd say he was a major influence in the civil rights movement and a presence in Congress that served to remind people of the importance of racial relations.
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Lewis was a decent man, who fought and struggled against the remnants of slavery and the white superiority complex that has followed throughout the next couple of centuries.
What are you talking about ?
If I have to translate that, I can't help you.
Black people (generally) don't care how white people think. Black people care about what white people do.
Au contraire. Blacks care very much about what white people think.... because what white people THINK eventually govern what they DO and HOW and WHY they do it. A bit nuanced, I know..... but try and keep up.
Example: A white person who is FORCED to accept employment quotas in his company can still THINK as a racist asshole and deny blacks at every opportunity. A white person who GENUINELY thinks every man on Earth deserves the same rights and opportunities does NOT NEED superficial quotas to do the right thing. In fact, he can NOT COMPLY with the quotas a any given time because maybe that month there weren't enough QUALIFIED black candidates..... but 6 months down the road he could have DOUBLE THE QUOTA not because he's forced to hire blacks..... but because he found a bunch of qualified black candidates.
Are you going to ask me what I'm talking about again?
Remnants of slavery ? What are you talking about ?
Again with the damn question. If I have to double-explain things to you every time I write, I'm wasting my time even more than I already am.
Slavery was abolished... we all know that. Yet the mindset in many whites, passed on from generation from generation, is that blacks remain somewhat inferior. That is in itself what drives much of the racism today.
Now stop me if I'm going too fast.
Look. Whenever black people rose up, John Lewis was to be the good negro who would get out there and say "Well you shouldn't be rioting now. You should nt be burned down stuff now" John Lewis did nothing for black people and he dined out on being attacked in Selma on the Edmund Pettus bridge for 50 years.
Well that's your opinion and again..... seems you would've rather Lewis burned down a few buildings or shot up a few white people. But then again he wouldn't have been a "Congressman for 30 years."
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
His goal was non-violence, yes. But let me put a question to you.
What do you think would have had more of a chance to obtain the civil rights reforms that finally resulted in the 60's (knowing there is a LOT more to go).............
a) non-violence like Lewis preached?
b) violence like you seem to prefer?
You honestly think that a bunch of Malcolm X's on their own without the balance provided by the MLK's and John Lewises of the world would've achieved the equality you speak of?
Hardly.
So you're saying that white people in the 60's woke up one day and said "Hey !! We're tired of this racism. We are gonna play the game straight with black people and give them a proper slice of the cake. That John Lewis just made me see sense"
Somewhere in a past post I talked about the BALANCE needed between the John Lewises/MLKs of the nation..... and the Malcolm X types. But I guess you skipped that part while reading with your blinders on.
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
I'll ask again... what have YOU done with your life that qualifies you to criticize a great human being like John Lewis?
Adolf Hitler has done more in his life than I have done in a million lifetimes. What's your point ?
Does that mean Hitler is above questioning ?
THIS is an incredibly MORONIC analogy and to give you the benefit of the doubt I'm sure you regretted writing it later.
I could've shot down your entire post, but at some point you become repetitive and it ain't worth the effort.
In summary.......
1. You've got the unmitigated gall of questioning your extremism, while all the while claiming EVERY SINGLE WHITE PERSON ON EARTH IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST. That alone speaks volumes. :rolleyes:
2. Black people DO care what white people think... which eventually translates into what white people DO. (Also, I should add that if you're going to speak for ALL BLACK PEOPLE then I'll need to see some sort of qualification.)
3. You dismiss Lewis because he wasn't a militant black man. That's your right. Doesn't mean he DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. But again... that's YOUR OPINION and you're free to dismiss him because he didn't spend his life burning buildings and killing white people.
4. Whatever good points you may be trying to make (like NoSaving sympathetically said) are immediately lost when you write an ASININE ANALOGY MENTIONING HITLER.
In fact..... it is ME who should ask you at this juncture......................... What the FUCK are you talking about??
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NoSavingByTheBell
I have to admit, Denilson raises a lot of good points. I will look into Lewis and see now in my research if he can be found to be a useless congressman.
Also, its good to question things.
I think though what the others in this thread are saying, is that this was a tribute thread and somehow it got turned into white vs black again.....
Oh I am looking SO forward to your research :rofmaoal:
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NoSavingByTheBell
I have to admit, Denilson raises a lot of good points. I will look into Lewis and see now in my research if he can be found to be a useless congressman.
Also, its good to question things.
I think though what the others in this thread are saying, is that this was a tribute thread and somehow it got turned into white vs black again.....
so here is my research:
***1961 participated in sit-ins, mass meetings and the landmark “Freedom Rides” of 1961 that tested racial segregation in the South.
***1963 helped register Black people to vote, helped Martin Luther King Jr. organize the March on Washington, arrested for the first of more than 40 times, for civil rights activities in Selma.
***March 7, 1965: Lewis is beaten by an Alabama state trooper while attempting to lead an estimated 600 voting rights marchers out of Selma on the way to Montgomery in an violent confrontation now known as Bloody Sunday. He spends two days in a hospital.
***March 21-25, 1965: Lewis joins thousands of others during the Selma-to-Montgomery voting rights march.
***1971: Lewis takes over as executive director of the Voter Education Project, a program of the Southern Regional Council.
****UP TO HERE I FEEL HE WAS A REAL TIGER, FIGHTING HARD, LEADING THE CHARGE, EMPOWERING BLACKS*****
***2001: Lewis receives the John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award for Lifetime Achievement, one of a multitude of honors, including the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation’s highest civilian honor, presented by President Barack Obama in 2011.
I will say however, that once he was elected in 1981 to Atlanta City Council, he became a lot less active and became more like a career beaurocrat and politician, re-elected 16 times and becoming somewhat complacent, facing almost zero competition or opposition, quite like Cummings there in Baltimore, so I can see that Blacks may feel disappointed in his efforts from lets say 1981 onwards.
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Oh a tiger, that should pique Denilson's interest :rolleyes:
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Oh a tiger, that should pique Denilson's interest :rolleyes:
That was a coincidence, but that is a good point, doesnt he use tiger analogies quite a bit?
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If you were a level-headed adult and were to ask the same question, I'd say he was a major influence in the civil rights movement and a presence in Congress that served to remind people of the importance of racial relations.[/COLOR][/B]
You keep on insisting that John Lewis was a titan in the progress for black people and in congress.
OK. Show me some evidence.
You haven't really thought this through .......have you ?
He was a black man who refused to be a public advocate for black people. A congressman introduces bills and resolutions, offer amendments and serve on committees.
What bills did he do for black people ? What resolutions ?
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TitoFan
...knowing you'll never alter your extremist views on race.
I don't have extremist views on race.
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TitoFan
Hmm..... saying over and over that EVERY WHITE PERSON ON EARTH IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST is extremist. Sooo... there's that.
There is nothing extreme about that.
All white people raised in a society where racism has been (and still is) so prevalent, will have soaked up elements of racist thinking. So in countries where beliefs in European/white superiority and domination have been historically placed will have soaked up some of that conditioning. As I've said before if they can condition people to to believe to that certain brands of paper to wash your ass are superior to others then they can just as easily do that with race.
Just because you called yourself after a black boxer "Felix Trindad" doesn't mean anything.
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you can't fathom that some one that does not see the world the way you do.
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TitoFan
What.... that there might be some white people out there who are NOT white supremacists and who abhor racism as much as you do? Yeah... you goddamn right. We DON'T see the world the same way.
Just because some white people say they abhor racism doesn't mean they are gonna do anything about it.
The truth is blacks imagine little. Discrimination in hiring, housing and education has been well documented. The government should take forceful action to end it as it goes against the value of equal opportunity for all regardless of race.
I've never met a white person who talks like that.
At best they will admit to discrimination but then discount its effects. Or they will say they believe in equality of opportunity but then find reasons to oppose any policy with the teeth to achieve it.
How come these so called good white folk are never in the courtroom ? They are no where to be seen when another cop walks free for killing a black person.
I don't see white Brazilians angry at the wretched condition black Brazilians are living in.
I don't see white Columbians angry at the wretched condition black Columbians are living in.
All over S.America black people are getting shot and killed by the police like it's call of duty. White Latinos aren't doing anything to stop that.
So tell me were are all these good white folk who you say abhor racism when that sh*t goes down ?
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Of the 2000 hate groups less than 1% are based on Black hate towards whites and over 90% are based on whites hating blacks. Go figure.
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TitoFan
Yeah? And your point? Nobody here is arguing that there are more black groups hating whites than the other way around. "Deflection", I think that's called. Stick to the point.
You need to improve your reading skills.
I said there are more groups of whites hating black people not blacks groups hating whites.
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Black people (generally) don't care how white people think. Black people care about what white people do.
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TitoFan
Au contraire. Blacks care very much about what white people think
OK. So you are an expert on how black people think ? So what qualifies you to be expert on what goes on in black people's minds ?
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.... because what white people THINK eventually govern what they DO and HOW and WHY they do it. A bit nuanced, I know..... but try and keep up.
But in Europe and America black people know how white people think far more that the other way around.
Why ?
Because in Europe and America black people deal and interact with white people far more than white people interact with black people. We know how white people and non black people think of black people. We focus on what whites do
George Floyds protests were about what white people do.
For one - White people have the loudest stereo. So they control what is seen as the truth. The BBC, CNN, New York Times, The Wikipedia, Hollywood, Harvard, Oxford and Cambridge, Penguin books, Google, YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, scientific journals, museums.
Less than 22% of the world is white.
Less than 11% of the world is white and male.
Less than 2.3% of the world is white, male and speaks English.
Yet they run they run nearly all the main bits of the Global Talking Machine. So black people don't have a counter media system to go against that and change their thinking. There are books, films, blogs websites, speakers on racism. That has made little impact on the minds of white people as far as racism is concerned.
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Example: A white person who is FORCED to accept employment quotas in his company can still THINK as a racist asshole and deny blacks at every opportunity.
There's no company that's forced to hire black pppl. That's just a common white supremacist talking point. I'm pretty sure you know that a white person with a criminal record is more likely to get the job than a black people who is totally clean
I'm pretty sure you know this.
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A white person who GENUINELY thinks every man on Earth deserves the same rights and opportunities does NOT NEED superficial quotas to do the right thing. In fact, he can NOT COMPLY with the quotas a any given time because maybe that month there weren't enough QUALIFIED black candidates..... but 6 months down the road he could have DOUBLE THE QUOTA not because he's forced to hire blacks..... but because he found a bunch of qualified black candidates.
Racism towards black people in employment is rife and I'm pretty sure it's done by people who would think "every man on earth deserves the same rights"
Racism makes you blind to racism and not notice.
Blacks have twice the unemployment rate of whites? "There must be something wrong with blacks"
Whites live in neighbourhoods that are over 90% white? "It's natural to want to live with one’s own"
Black men in prison ? "Stats show that black people commit most crimes"
Even before you get a job, the system is set up so black people struggle to qualify for that job because whites can say anything to applying black students "your application was late" "it got lost" "We don’t like your essay"............. ANYTHING.
Our black ass is not getting in - No matter what.
They reserve over 60% of seats for white students at most schools, graduate and undergraduate and then about 10-20% for Asians and Indians.
And even with all that advantage whites cheat all the time.
There was a scandal were at least 33 rich white people were buying admission for their children into America's most prestigious universities.
The ringleader paid tens of millions of dollars to ensure admission for his clients' children.
They're letting dumb-ass white students in there all day because of their fathers or uncles. Most blacks applying could run circles around them academically but they would never ever be admitted.
We're taking no one's spots in education or employment trust me.
You have a legacy and being a legacy only works if you have a trust fund and your parents have been donating a good % of their annual salary to the school or your dad holds political office or your parents are fortune 500 CEOs, COOs, CFOs or CAOs. Anyone else, it's still a crap shot.
Blaming the handful of black people that get in is ridiculous. More Black Americans are becoming doctors (despite the obstacles set for black people) and non-blacks hate to see a black person who is superior to them in anything and become bitter and jealous.
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Let's also be clear. John Lewis did more to attempt to advance the cause of blacks in society in any given hour of any 24-hour day of his entire life, than you can ever hope to do in a million lifetimes.
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What did John Lewis for black people after he was elected to congress ? He was a united states congressman for 30 years.
What did he do ?
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TitoFan
Oh... do you mean HOW MANY BUILDINGS DID HE BURN DOWN OR HOW MANY WHITE PEOPLE HE SHOT? Well...... I guess according to YOUR definition, he didn't do shit.
Black people have made more progress in the last two months than John Lewis made in five decades and it did not require one vote.
When Joe Biden was in congress I can list numerous bills he introduced his 1994 and 1985 Crime Bill. His three strikes law.
They were things Joe Biden done and in effect it was done to harm black people.
What did John Lewis do ?
His mantra was "Dam. Black folk. I've gotta my little nitch. I'm invited to all these fancy cocktail parties. I sit in congress looking important. I've got a little bit of status and I get nice chunk of change in my account every month...Dam black folk"
For example Native Americans get all types of federal funds for them.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcaugRYU...pg&name=medium
There are dozens of federal grants SPECIFICALLY for NATIVE AMERICANS. There are ZERO federal grants specifically for Black Americans
In fact Native Americans hate black people.
But show me a similar thing John Lewis done for black people ?
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Slavery was abolished... we all know that.
No. It wasn't. Chattel slavery was and of course once slavery ended. Racism just stopped. Right ? Slavery was just one stage of white supremacy.
Slavery was merely a big part of a system of white supremacy (e.g. Slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, etc.) that explicitly and overtly benefitted whites economically, socially and legally well into the 1970s.
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Yet the mindset in many whites, passed on from generation from generation, is that blacks remain somewhat inferior. That is in itself what drives much of the racism today. Now stop me if I'm going too fast.[/COLOR][/B]
White people know that Black people can be great scientists, economists, attorneys and anything else.
That is the reason predominantly Black school districts are under-funded, under-staffed with inexperienced teachers, denied books, microscopes and other lab equipment, and put hazardous waste near black schools, cut art and music classes, sports teams and sometimes hot meals in a cafeteria.
Why go to that trouble if whites believed black people are inferior?
They want a social system where Black people are handicapped by lack of education and opportunity that their only options are flipping burgers or in prison and then white people try to ‘scientifically’ prove that the effects of their own racism are actually due to innate deficiencies of those they’ve praticing there racism on.
Black people can do fine in any pursuit once even a single rusty hole appears in the steel obstacles put in our way
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Look. Whenever black people rose up, John Lewis was to be the good negro who would get out there and say "
Well you shouldn't be rioting now. You should nt be burned down stuff now" John Lewis did nothing for black people and he dined out on being attacked in Selma on the Edmund Pettus bridge for 50 years.
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Well that's your opinion and again..... seems you would've rather Lewis burned down a few buildings or shot up a few white people. But then again he wouldn't have been a "Congressman for 30 years."
He was congressman because he was good negro who got his orders from his white master who told him "Black issues don;t matter"
TThey get these black politicians like Keisha Bottoms. Make them mayor but they take their orders from white folk, white handlers, the haggard Nancy Pelosi type and dangle the fact they could be vice president.
That's the trick "O see black folk. We are not racist. I mean...there's black person there in that position....they're not gonna do anything, but you negros like to live vicariously....Don't you ?"
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TitoFan
...knowing you'll never alter your extremist views on race.
I don't have extremist views on race.
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TitoFan
Hmm..... saying over and over that EVERY WHITE PERSON ON EARTH IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST is extremist. Sooo... there's that.
There is nothing extreme about that.
All white people raised in a society where racism has been (and still is) so prevalent, will have soaked up elements of racist thinking. So in countries where beliefs in European/white superiority and domination have been historically placed will have soaked up some of that conditioning. As I've said before if they can condition people to to believe to that certain brands of paper to wash your ass are superior to others then they can just as easily do that with race.
Just because you called yourself after a black boxer "Felix Trindad" doesn't mean anything.
If you think there's nothing extreme about thinking that EVERY WHITE PERSON ON EARTH IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST, then we have little to discuss. I'll just pick off the most ridiculous statements you've made because frankly you're a waste of my time. "All white people raised in a society where racism has been (and still is) so prevalent, will have soaked up elements of racist thinking." The FUCK that even MEAN? Soaked up elements....... LMAO..... give me a fucking break. Tell me right NOW what qualifications you have in that extremist brain of yours to make an asinine statement like that. That's what I thought. People are individuals, peabrain. You do not speak for all of white humanity.
BTW genius..... my being a fan of Trinidad isn't because he's black. :vd:
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you can't fathom that some one that does not see the world the way you do.
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What.... that there might be some white people out there who are NOT white supremacists and who abhor racism as much as you do? Yeah... you goddamn right. We DON'T see the world the same way.
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Just because some white people say they abhor racism doesn't mean they are gonna do anything about it.
ANOTHER "gem" from you. I abhor world hunger also, but individually I'm powerless to do anything about either. I abhor animal abuse, but I can't resolve every single incident of animal abuse.
Every tidbit from you is just another piece of evidence of just how much of a deluded, racist, extremist, twisted and bitter individual you are.
This is about as much as I'll get into your post.
We've long ago established that:
1. You're racist.
2. You're an extremist.
3. You're incapable of rational thought.
4. You value your "victim card" more than you would any offspring you might have.... and they'll have to take it from your cold, dead, hands.
5. You have psychological issues that are beyond the scope of this forum.
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Not getting in the way of this epic back-and-forth between Tito and Denilson, but it has always amazed me of just how different we humans can be, can see things a certain way, and I guess that is what keeps things lively; I mean, imagine for a minute if me, Tito, Denilson, TIC, ykdadamaja, slimtrae, palmerq, Brock, Beanz etc... ALL thought the same thing on Brexit, racism, Covid-19, Trump, .... you get the picture.
Wouldn't exactly be a barn burner..... so I guess we take the various angles and sort of take it all in stride.... this world is getting more and more enigmatic as I type this. In fact I am pretty sure that whatever happens next, none of us will be all that surprised, the way things are going.
Buckle up gentleman, its going to be a real fucking doozy of a ride from here on I suspect.
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That was mighty white of you, NoSaving
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TitoFan
That was mighty white of you, NoSaving
Damn. I take it back lol
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TitoFan
If you think there's nothing extreme about thinking that EVERY WHITE PERSON ON EARTH IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST, then we have little to discuss.
Nothing extreme with that at all. In fact I'd say if white person is not racist then he is a miracle. Extremism would be if I was to say that all white people should be killed or claim that white people are an inferior race and should be made to live under the heel of the black race. That would be extreme.
It's you who say stuff like
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Example: A white person who is FORCED to accept employment quotas in his company can still THINK as a racist asshole and deny blacks at every opportunity.
Why is that white person in charge in the first place ?
Why do you automatically assume the white person is in charge of black people ?
Why are you more worried about what could happen than what has happened ?
Why don't you name or show everyone these companies where they are letting these undeserving black people in ?
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A white person who GENUINELY thinks every man on Earth deserves the same rights and opportunities does NOT NEED superficial quotas to do the right thing.
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Yeah because white people always know what they're doing in regards to black people ? And trusting that white people will do the right thing by black people has really worked out for black people in the past.
Right ? The fuck you talking about ?
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In fact, he can NOT COMPLY with the quotas a any given time because maybe that month there weren't enough QUALIFIED black candidates..... but 6 months down the road he could have DOUBLE THE QUOTA not because he's forced to hire blacks..... but because he found a bunch of qualified black candidates.
But here is the thing that you're not getting
Who get's the job is a judgement call.
Will this person “fit in” with the company?
Do they have “enough” experience?
Will they be able to relate to the customer base?
Not to mention that a lot of jobs black people go for are usually taken by the fact that white old boy’s networks skew opportunity white anyway. And And of course, most jobs are never advertised at all. They are filled by word-of-mouth and networking: a process which gives whites another leg up.
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"All white people raised in a society where racism has been (and still is) so prevalent, will have soaked up elements of racist thinking." The FUCK that even MEAN? Soaked up elements....... LMAO..... give me a fucking break.
Look at your arguments.
What your worried about is black success. Worried about black people getting this of that job.
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[COLOR="#FF0000"]Tell me right NOW what qualifications you have in that extremist brain of yours to make an asinine statement like that. That's what I thought.
I am the qualification and so are the millions of black people the world over. If you still fail to understand what this means, then it's pointless to say anything to you.
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People are individuals, peabrain. You do not speak for all of white humanity.
It's Whites who draw the line between themselves and everyone else. They are the ones who apply the colour line and all the injustice that goes with it. White are making themselves White and yet they do not want to be seen as White.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltmlvk9GAto
This is the type of racism I prefer. Just let it out.
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This is the type of racism I prefer. Just let it out.
No. I'd rather bedevil you with my claims of not being racist so you can continue talking about tigers and war strategy.
