Wilder has been exposed and his silence says it all!
Apparently the rematch clause for the trilogy has expired.
Can we discuss this?!
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Wilder has been exposed and his silence says it all!
Apparently the rematch clause for the trilogy has expired.
Can we discuss this?!
Wilder would get knocked out in a couple rounds this time, and there was NEVER ANY reason for a 3rd fight IMO. Wilder was Totally shellacked and bitch-slapped in the 2nd fight, and beaten in the first fight. WHy a 3rd fight? I never understood it and so this makes perfect sense. I never truly believed there would be a 3rd fight. BUt how has it suddenly expired if this was scheduled for Dec?Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I am sure I heard Warren saying that he wanted to honour the rematch clause regardless of the time expiring.
It works in Wilders favour not to have the rematch because he got so comprehensively beaten last time.
Joe Louis was pretty much humiliated and bitch slapped by Max Schemeling. Jack Dempsey was knocked out in one round by Fireman Jim Flynn.
They both recovered from those one sided beatings, and ended up pretty decent fighters.
Wilder was always flawed as a boxer, but he has that big equaliser. He will always be that, and he may well have come unstuck earlier in his career (but was well protected). He can come back and will always be competitive.
I’ve heard rumors it was off but I’ve also heard that that wasn’t true
Louis and Dempsey were also all of 21,22? Wilder turns 35 this month. Just a thought, all that padding was just kicking the can down the road and cemented his flaws this late on.Quote:
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I hope it is off. I think Brock said earlier, there was no reason for a 3rd fight anyway. Now get Fury/Joshua done!
Let's hope so.
Not sure why he wouldn't at least try to get step aside money though rather than just let it lapse.
‘We will fight in December’ – Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury trilogy still ON – putting Anthony Joshua fight in doubt
Deontay Wilder and his team have denied reports the proposed trilogy fight with Tyson Fury for December was abandoned.
Reports on Saturday afternoon broke suggesting ‘The Bronze Bomber’ had allowed his rematch clause to expire to claim back his WBC heavyweight title.
‘The Gypsy King’ proved his almost flawless performance from their first fight in December 2018 was no fluke and delivered on his promise to stop the American in Las Vegas back in February.
Although the report claimed Wilder was effectively stepping aside to allow Fury to fight Anthony Joshua twice in 2021, the 36-year-old’s co-manager Shelly Finkel has confirmed this is not the case.
“They are wrong, we will fight in December,” Finkel told Sky Sports.
Wilder has confirmed the defeat to Fury left him requiring surgery on a bicep injury which had left him unable to train for July 25, the date originally scheduled for their third fight.
https://talksport.com/wp-content/upl...60&quality=100
“Recovery [is] going well, I’m in therapy, I ended up injuring it during my last fight, somewhere up in there’, he told the PBC Podcast.
‘But everything is going great with it. That’s another thing, I’m focusing on recovery, getting myself back to full health.
He added: “Oh yeah, I can’t work out now. Once I get healed with my arm I’m looking forward to just working out, being able to do the things I love to do.
“Right now I’m just sitting back and getting taken care of, all meals being prepared for me, a lot of catering now between my fiancee and all the kids around me. It’s nothing we can complain of in this moment in time.
“I know we all in the world are going through something together, it’s the first time the world is going through the same things.
“We all have to survive and I love being around my loved ones through these tough times.”
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/7...-joshua-fight/
Reports are just in that one of the flashing LED lights on Wilder's monster suit ripped his upper bicep on his ring walk and possibly may have ended his career.... It was a flashing red LED and Wilder is now claiming it weighed 14 lb alone
"Oh yeah, I can't work out now." and... "We will fight in December."
Still waiting for his arm to heal in mid-October... but the fight's still on for December?? :rolleyes:
Okaaayyy.....
And get a new trainer, new tailor. All this stuff takes time.Quote:
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Lets assume the fight is off and Fury needs a new opponent for December. Who we saying?
Lucas Brown has been all over social media saying he's in the frame. I think I'd prefer another plucked from relative obscurity job.
Fury should take on Ruiz and show how it is really done.Quote:
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That's not a bad matchup. All we got from AJ was a knockout loss, and an unsatisfying decision win in the rematch.
Maybe Ruiz could take this one seriously and not come in over 300 pounds.
Fury should get serious abuse if he fights a guy that Dave Allen knocked out.
If there’s no Wilder, why not the Dubois vs Joyce winner or Parker?
Fury resume excluding Wilder and Wlad is not that great.
He has beaten the main guys though in their own country.
Robert helenius would beat fury
I didn't want to see Wilder vs Fury 3 anyway. We need the super fight in London Fury vs AJ. That's the fight the world wants to see. So fuck Wilder.
No way Fury takes on someone as dangerous as Helenius. NO WAY!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Lucus Browne would be taking the piss so probably will be him. Fury should give big Dave Price his two rounds punchers chance.
Agit Kabayel is 20-0 but can't crack an egg. Perfect.
Either way anything is better than a completely pointless Wilder 3rd fight. Move on. Move on. Glad they've given him the elbow.
Tyson Fury next fight: Bob Arum names Oscar Rivas, Agit Kabayel and Efe Ajagba as potential opponents for London fight before Anthony Joshua showdown in 2021
Bob Arum has revealed the three most likely candidates for Tyson Fury’s homecoming fight in London in December.
The ‘Gypsy King’ was set to face champion Deontay Wilder in a trilogy fight just before Christmas at the new Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas.
However, Fury’s co-promoter Frank Warren confirmed to talkSPORT the American’s rematch clause had expired and that Fury would be moving on to other opportunities.
Warren detailed his plan for the current WBC heavyweight champion during his appearance on the Jim White Show, saying he would fight in London in December before focusing his attention on Anthony Joshua.
And Arum, who represents the 32-year-old with Top Rank in the US, revealed Oscar Rivas, Efe Agbaja and Agit Kabayel were in contention to face Fury.
“Yeah, those are the names,” he told iFL TV. “It’s not rocket science.
“Go to the 15 names on the WBC list, 10 of them are not available because they are scheduled to fight within the next month or the next two months, they’re not available.
“[Daniel] Dubois is there, [Joe] Joyce is there, but they’re not available. In the same way [Dereck] Chisora is there and [Oleksandr] Usyk is there – but they’re not available.
“Dillian Whyte is there, but he has a fight coming up. [Joseph] Parker is fighting [Junior] Fa who is also there, so you end up with five guys who are possible.
“You mentioned three of the five; there’s Efe Agbaja, Agit Kabayel, Rivas is there and there are two others.
“We will have pick out, see who is available and pick it out. Rivas and Efe are Top Rank fighters and I’m sure we could arrange for them to be available if that’s who was chosen.
“I’ve got to talk to Frank and to Tyson.”
Rivas went the distance with Whyte in July 2019 and even managed to drop ‘The Body Snatcher’ at the 02 Arena.
Agbaja is a Nigerian boxer with 14 wins and 11 knockouts who wants to face Anthony Joshua in Africa, while Kabayel defeated Chisora in Monaco almost three years ago.
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/7...nthony-joshua/
Whyte could take the fight surely? Just pretend he beat Povetkin and train for a December fight. He'd basically be getting a bye no?
I was about to suggest this morning that Fury should fight Povetkin. Ha! Would be very interestingQuote:
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Think about it, this makes the Chis versus Usyk fight more interesting. Chis is literally fighting for a chance at 2 multi million fights, Fury and Joshua. Massive incentive there, his odds have come in from 9/1 to 9/2. Just saying. No disrespect to Usyk who is the hotpot favourite.
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Originally Posted by nuggetdotcom
Why would Chisora be deserving of a shot at either Fury or Joshua, given that there are plenty of higher ranked heavyweights and Chisora's record is let's say... less than stellar? Unless it's for a chance at another all-British heavyweight fight.
Thinking about the flip side for Wilder..could this be it to a degree???. He has to be the ultimate risk-reward fight for a lot of guys out there. That strap was the door prize but with just that giant eraser and having been dominated and battered last out who's going to jump into that pool.
Ruiz Jr v Wilder ppv. The battle of the second chance let downs. Bank on it!
Would be a great fight for both of them. Each has to make a comeback. Each looked bad in their last performance. One wore a 40 pound Halloween costume, the other was 40 pounds over weight.
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Why would Chisora be deserving of a shot at either Fury or Joshua, given that there are plenty of higher ranked heavyweights and Chisora's record is let's say... less than stellar? Unless it's for a chance at another all-British heavyweight fight.
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Why would Chisora be deserving of a shot at either Fury or Joshua, given that there are plenty of higher ranked heavyweights and Chisora's record is let's say... less than stellar? Unless it's for a chance at another all-British heavyweight fight.
You got Parker, Pulev, and Ruiz... all above Chisora in the WBO rankings. Ok, so Parker and Ruiz lost to Joshua. But Chisora already lost to Fury.
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Why would Chisora be deserving of a shot at either Fury or Joshua, given that there are plenty of higher ranked heavyweights and Chisora's record is let's say... less than stellar? Unless it's for a chance at another all-British heavyweight fight.
You got Parker, Pulev, and Ruiz... all above Chisora in the WBO rankings. Ok, so Parker and Ruiz lost to Joshua. But Chisora already lost to Fury.
Did you seriously just compare Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey to Deontay Wilder? Anyone can be beaten on any given night, Schmelling went after a particular aspect of Louis’ game and formed a game plan around that that he executed perfectly, and anyone can be KO’d especially if they’re marauding like Dempsey. Both of those fighters had a very particular style that was effective 9/10 times but every style has weaknesses, which is why versatility is one of the most overlooked and undervalued qualities in a fighter. The reason Crawford is a better fighter than Loma, for example, is nothing to do with amateur records but the fact he can adapt to different opponents and vary his style, utilising both stances well no less. Loma really has one game plan and fighters are slowly catching on to that fact, first Linares caught him with the right hand, then Campbell troubled him with his length and athleticism. Lopez was able to keep him at distance with a probing jab and sharp right hand. He also went to the body early and Loma knew if he wanted to operate in that mid range not only did he have to counter the right hand but he had to get passed the body attacks too and look out for the uppercut. Lopez fought a smart fight, he varied his offense and never allowed himself to get too much out of shape although he was caught off guard a bit in the eighth by the sudden change of pace. Loma is a fantastic fighter but a bit like Pac who was quite one dimensional for a while (or course that one dimension was amazing) and relied on his power and speed and the angles he could create to overwhelm opponents and keep them in a constant state of confusion, he doesn’t really have a second or third strategy to go to. I was quite surprised watching the fight that he never really made an adjustment, even in the 8th he kind of just bit down and decided to risk getting hit in order to get inside or to the outside angle to land an overhand or a short straight and hook from the blindside. But there was no technical strategy at play, no drawing out particularly shots to counter, no feints to set up specific shots or combinations where he sought to uncork the second or third, no catching and shooting, no changing levels consistently or moving left instead of right, it was just very stagnant for the first seven rounds all of which I gave to Lopez. Now the question becomes is Loma just so entrenched in this style that it’s hard for him to break away from it mentally and be creative when he needs to and when his usual bag of tricks aren’t working, or is this really all he’s capable of? One thing is for certain, Lopez proved he is absolutely the real deal and it was a joy to watch him use his attributes and his techniques strategically to frustrate and outmanoeuvre Loma. Hats off to both men for taking one of the toughest fights they could, I thought it might be too early for Lopez but to anyone saying Loma was exposed, I think it’s impossible to draw that conclusion from this particular fight. It’s not as though he was battered or his corner was looking at stepping in, to me it looked like he couldn’t adjust, perhaps because he simply never had to before and if you’ve never had to do it in the gym or in competition before it’s not so easy to just change your strategy or do something new against a world class opponent when the stakes are so high. This is precisely why I don’t understand people getting on someone like Mayweather who in certain fights like the Judah fight made four or five adjustments in fight within a few rounds in order to turn the tide his way. Or Marquez being knocked down three times in the first round against Pac, completely caught cold by the hand and foot speed he’d never experienced before. Choking on his own blood he makes multiple adjustments and earned himself a draw on the scorecards. I’ve also heard Loma mostly trains alone and just brings in sparring partners for camps, I’d imagine that’s been the case for a great deal of his career too. Perhaps he needs to be challenged more in training, forces to adapt and think his way through scenarios rather than just going into a fight with a plan and being dependent on it working out in practice just the same as it did in theory. This post is getting long so sorry I’m trying to wrap it up here but last point: it’s possible that Loma’s style is perfect for the amateurs but that he still needs to make more modifications to it in order to beat guys like Lopez. For example, his left hand straight to the body should be a reliable shot for him but his stance, which does allow him to quickly take his head to the outside, prevents him from throwing long shots to the body with real fluidity. With the way he jabs over the top, and he started to land it a few times over Lopezs lead hand around the 6th or 7th I think, he could easily step his lead foot to the outside after throwing that jab and folllow through with a hard left hand to the body and then mix it up between head and body as the fight progresses, or feint the body shot and take the angle then shift through leading with the right hand and following with a straight left or a hook if the guy tries to circle off to his right. Loma’s style has kind of been built for stability and safety in the mid range, and the ability to be high volume and aggressive cutting short sharp angles, whereas for example pax’s style was much more risky with longer steps and throwing himself briefly off balance as he falls in (saw Marquez clip him with plenty of counters on the way in before that final one in the fourth fight when he really put his weight behind it). But I don’t think Loma needs to do anything that drastic, nor would it suit him, however he could look at someone like sweet pea who worked to the outside angle behind his jab and then suddenly went to the body, then out again, then in and sneak an uppercut in, pivot off the right hook out, maybe throw a left hook in there as a parting gift depending how the guy reacts. He needs to add some flexibility to his footwork and punch selection (different ranges and angles) or else the blueprint is now there on how to beat him. So to summarise, we’re either going to see an evolution from Loma from this fight to the next one like the way PAC started developing that right hook, or he’s gonna be stuck in the mud of his own style and become a victim of his own success in the truest sense.Quote:
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Edit: my bad I am mixing up threads 😂. Short answer: wilder has relied on his power but does not have the boxing nous to beat a well schooled boxer. Fury will beat him 8/10 times.
Carlos Takam is being touted as Fury's next opponent.
Mmmm..wonder if he is better than Oscar Rivas?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
I never would think Fury is the kinda guy to take an easy fight. Not that Takam is a push over but he has been beaten soundly by fighters lesser than Fury. Fury should have at least taken on Povetkin, we can believe that fight since Povetkin knocked out Whyte but he Whyte rematch is on with Povetkin isn't it?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Ah well... We know we won't see a Joshua fight any time soon either. Fury should have even taken on Andy Ruiz. Everyone writes Ruiz off but he did rock Joshua's world and is a former champion.
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Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI never would think Fury is the kinda guy to take an easy fight. Not that Takam is a push over but he has been beaten soundly by fighters lesser than Fury. Fury should have at least taken on Povetkin, we can believe that fight since Povetkin knocked out Whyte but he Whyte rematch is on with Povetkin isn't it?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Ah well... We know we won't see a Joshua fight any time soon either. Fury should have even taken on Andy Ruiz. Everyone writes Ruiz off but he did rock Joshua's world and is a former champion.
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Ehhh... I almost choked on my pancakes there, man. ;D ;D
I guess you mean... given he's faced Wlad and Wilder (twice), right?
Because other than those two guys, Fury's last four opponents have been: Sefer Seferi, Francesco Pianeta :rolleyes: , Tom Schwarz :rolleyes: :rolleyes: , and Otto Wallin :vd: .
But yeah... he did take on Wlad and Wilder (twice). :)
I would prefer Rivas over Takam. Rivas is a bit more mobile, a bit more explosive. Better fight.
They'll talk up Takam till the cows come home. Gave Joshua a hard nights work!! I didn't see that fight at all. Other than smashing Joshua's face in with his head and clearly causing some breathing issues as a result. I didn't think he offered much. He shouldnt have been stopped though.
I bet Povetkin wished he did not have to have the rematch against Whyte. He would have been fighting for the title now.
In fact, I am sure if Whyte did not take on Povetkin and just waited he would have been challenging Fury in December.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Yea. No one knew that the rematch between Wilder and Fury would be off. I guess note to self now is to wait until the champion has decided an opponent and then make your fight plans. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master