I just do not beleive he could compete, and would probably be decapitated by Hearns.
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I just do not beleive he could compete, and would probably be decapitated by Hearns.
Floyd might be a better P4P fighter but at 147 I can't see how he'd win that fight, he'd have to be perfect, absolutely flawless to outbox Hearns
he would never get around Hearns' jab and his sense of keeping height and not jumping on Mayweather when he had him hurt would both Floyd.
Please don't forget the fact that Hearns was beating Leonard for 14 rounds...but it's his "GLASS JAW" that would do him in.....some say speed is power and we know how fast Mayweather is....Mayweather by KO in 4th Rd.
I thought Zab had that "GLASS JAW" too? And did Mayweather break it? He called him Super "Glass Jaw" Judah before the fight and it turned out to be a tough fight. Especially with his balls, heheh. jk. No, but about the Glass Jaw. Leonard had all the mustard in the world with the shot he hurt Hearns in.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigragu
True, Mayweather might not have given him the "mustard" but I still think that those that truely hit Hearns, and we know Mayweather is extreemly accurate, dropped Hearns....Remember the Hagler fight...by no means do I think PBF is in the same league as Hagler when it comes to power though... I also think PBF hurt his hand..we'll see if that might be the reason...
I'm weary of trusting Floyd right now. Because he was being dominated from the get go. Unless he came in with a hurt right hand? If Floyd hurt his hand in the fight, then it helped him. hehehQuote:
Originally Posted by bigragu
You know how awkward lefties can be...especially someone as talented as Judah.....but he was able to adapt and overcome...I truly belive that if they faught again Mayweather would win...only it would be by KO...the beatings would begin earlier in the fight and Floyd would have more time to acclimate himself to this new weight...only his 2nd at this weight and he beats Judah? that's pretty impressive...
I love Hearns, but, Floyd was more fleet-footed than SRL. He didn't have to use his feet against Zab. But, he would be all around Hearns, and Hearns would only win by KO. And that is a major possibility.
I'd say Floyd wins 6 of 10, but his losses would be probably be KOs.
Leonard, the genius he is, figured out how to get past that jab. I thought that jab was impossible to get past! Accurate and long. Leonard was on his toes, jumping back and forth showing awesome movement. And he was still getting jabbed by Hearns!Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
But I think it was Leonard, how ballsy he was... just went for a "Zinger!" and hit gold. It wasn't a straight shot either, it was a looping punch that was reaching for the rafters! I put that punch on slow-mo (vcr), and it's still fast! After that, Hearns had to retreat.
Well in order to beat Tommy Hearns PBF would have to be at the level of SRL and IMO he isnt.
Honestly seeing how it went the full 12 I'll go out on a limb and say Hearns, Duran, SRL, and JCC would give Floyd a hard run
AGREEDED! If Zab's quick jab bothered Mayweather early, imagine what Hearns cobra like jab would have done to Floyd, he would have had Floyd so fixed on stopping the jab, that would have set up Tommy's right, and that meant only one thing.....GOODNITE, plus Floyd does'nt have the punch or physical attributes to keep Hearns off of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
I would to say that no way does Floyd beat Hearns, Hearns was lightning fast in his prime, one of the best boxers out their if not the best, he proved his boxing skills against Leonard when most thought he was just a puncher. He also outboxed a couple of slickest boxers out there in his day in Benitez and then later Hill. Those who say he had a glass jaw and would get ko'd by Mayweather, I don't think so, look at the fighters who did KO Hearns and you will say they were much bigger punchers then Mayweather, (Leonard, Hagler, Iran Barkley), all natually bigger the Mayweather. Hearns was a big big welter with a great jab, right hand, and could throw hard to the body, just to big, to fast, and hit to hard for Mayweather. Floyd started at Jr lightweight, he does not have the power at welter to beat someone as dominating as Hearns was. 6 time champion for a reason. just my opinion.
Hearns is the prototype for the kind of fighter that would beat PBF. He is a big rangy fighter with good power and good boxing skills. He could fight PBF inside and out and be effective. He has the energy to stay on PBF and keep constant pressure. I pick Hearns to win a UD 7 rounds to 5, by taking the last three rounds from a obviously busted up and fatigued PBF. If PBF is smart he wont fall victim to the pull to keep moving up in weight that Mosely and DLH did.
hearns vsfloyd harns
Tommy Hearns hammers Mayweather like driving a nail through the canvas.
All Valid areguements Speed kills and always has!!! Floyd can take a punch and his defense is incredible period!!!!!! He is deadly accurate and very selective about his punches and is always poised thats how you preserve energy physical and nervous he can go 20 rounds if he had 2 and stilll be fresh..Hearns is great and had a superhuman right hand, Floyd counteracts that with different angles faints counterpunching Hearns had alot of heart but not smart enough to adjust...do you remember Corralles vs Maymeather??? Diego and Hearns similar body type combo of speed and 1 punch knock out power...Diego could never get off against Floyd couldnt figure him out 2 many angles..But against castillo Diego can trade go figure!!! Boxing is all about matchups Not a good one for hearns
I cant iamgine that anyone that saw Tommy Hearns fight could pick Floyd to beat him, this fight ends in brutal ko fashion for sure.
Tommy Hearns would be a nightmare for Mayweather, imo. Just too long and powerful, naturally MUCH bigger... PLus I seriously doubt Mayweather could hurt Hearns even if he landed his best shots repeatedly.. Hearns chin is underrated. It wasn't total crap like some ppl think, he never got hurt by anything but a great punch, Hagler landed alot on him before he got the KO, as did SRL obviously.. and so I don't see any way Floyd could even hurt him. Hearns would have a field day, he could just jab past mayweathers guard, even just to the chest... Mayweather has brilliant defense but it wouldn't mean a whole lot against Hearns, who could sit back and attack PBF against the ropes while staying out of range himself.. I honestly think Tommy could break through Mayweathers defense just by using the jab consistently, and by the later rounds he would take total control.
Considering how Mayweather has never been beat and has never really looked close to being beat up I'm suprised at just how a big an underdog he would be against Hearns to most of you.
I'd agree that Hearns' size would be a problem but Mayweather was dwarfed by Corales when those two faught and that was a bigger beat down than Calzaghe Lacy.
I'd give Mayweather a shot against anybody at 147 lbs. Hearns or Leonard at 154 would be too much but at 147 he'd give anybody trouble.
LOL, Floyd is good, but he is no Motor City Cobra. And one on one, it is a horrible style match up for Lil Floyd. ;)
Corrales and Hearns... That's no comparison at all though.. Corrales doesnt even jab.. and he's still much smaller than Hearns, height is the only similarity but Corrales doesn't know how to use it, or just can't.. I mean sure Floyd is great and hasn't been beaten today, but does that mean we should pick him over Hagler as well?? I think Hearns would simply be too much for Floyd, remember 147 is the lowest he ever fought.. and Tommy has to be one of the biggest weltersweights of all time.. He looked trim years later fighting at 175.. PBF would just get jabbed to death, and once he slowed down at all Hearns would jump on him.. I don't think Mayweather could hurt him at all, and I think hearns would seriously damage him. I mean really, Mayweather has beaten some good fighters but noone anywhere near as big as Hearns, noone anywhere near as good, as fast, as powerful... WEll maybe Judah is as fast, but we saw how he was able to land for a few rounds and even hurt Floyd... Hearns would win this one, he had wayyyyy to much power at welterweight.
spot onQuote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
Thomas Hearns is a proven legend who has fought the best .. He has fought like 7 legends.. Cueves,Leonard,Benitez,Duran,Hagler,Barkley,Hill and then an assortment of other guys.. Floyd has not fought any legends yet! So to discuss this as a fight where Hearns could lose is ridiculous.I think Hearns out jabs Floyd for a few rounds and Floyd would be good at getting away from the right hand for 2 rounds, but then Tommy jab would start to affect Floyd and Floyd would start taking chances in round 3 by stepping in and Tommy would knock him out with the right hand in round 3. This fight is easy to see. Floyd better stick to Baldomir because legends like Hearns knock him out.
i feel this fight would be a bit like hearns vs leonard 1 but hearns wins ud and manages to win 12 ud i dont think mayweather has quite got the punching power to ko hearns thats why i feel ud for hearns
Cuevas, Barkley, Benitez, and Hill, are no more legendary than Floyd is, in fact all are considerably lesser fighters with the exception of Benitez in his prime. And he still wasn't a real legend.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
hill was great all others were aswell barkley gave duran one hell of a fight and in my book should of got the nod but was a close fight could of gone either wayQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I didn't say they weren'tQuote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
i know was just pointing it out :)
p4pking. Tommy Hearns fought more legends than Floyd. Alot more. Floyd has yet to really face that guy who is his equal. And using the excuse like Roy Jones that he makes them all look like his unequal is not the truth. Hearns fought many guys in the Mayweather level. And Floyd was just too small for Tommy to fight. It would have been an easy fight for Hearns. Let's see how Floyd does when he someday steps up to the elite level.
Damn, This thread just turned into a "let's hate on Floyd" campaign, People need to understand that Hearns height and jab alone couldn't handle pbf, Floyd's defensive skills are just too good for that, And when it comes to the technical ability Floyd's got him 100 times over along with the movement and speed, The notion that Floyd couldn't "deal with a tall jabbar" is just people's pent up fantasies of wanting to see him get beat, IT'S NOT A FACT as the only "tall guy with power" who faced Floyd got floored 5 times,
People need to step their game up and leave the hate alone man no-one's seeing Floyd right now!!..it's TRUE ;D
Peace
Floyd loves to take away a guys jab by countering with the right, but he has to be in range to land the right, he'd have major problems with that against a guy as long as Hearns was.
Plus people are forgetting that Hearns was very fast at welter. Floyd might be faster but he seems to have slown down some at 147, so its not as big an edge as some think.
Not to mention Hearns had the power to end it at any time, and I don't think Floyd has the power at 147 to stop Hearns, Leonard was a much stronger, harder puncher at 147 than Floyd.
Floyd would have to be perfect for 12 rounds, bad styles matchup for him, one of the worst I can think of.
Didn't say otherwise..... But to be honest, who is Floyd going to fight who is his equal?? THat's what makes him great he doesn't have any.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
Floyd likes to take guys jab away exactly. and you are right, not Thomas Hearns jab. Tommy is a legend here with the best right hand in history and a jab which in the 80s rivalled that of Larry Holmes. Floyd has not beaten a legit legend yet. Floyd is overrated. We have a dry spell in boxing. We need a great fighter like Tommy or Julio Cesar Chavez or a Larry Holmes. but since we do not have one, we like to see Floyd beat up guys who he is overmatches for like Baldomir. Tommy is a legend who has a few great fights in the boxing historical psyche. All Floyd has is wins over good guys but no one great. Tommy would have easily beaten Floyd. Floyd would have no answer for a 78 inch reach and crushing right hand. There is no doubt. Hearns had the goods and proved it. And I think Floyd calling out Oscar and Shane is not fair. He needs to fight his contemporaries. Oscar has proven himself against the greats.
At 147???...Man I know that many will just sa I am biased because of how much I like Tommy but...At that weight A weight Hearns was at his best..147 is not Floyds best weight IMO....
If Judah had him wincing from body shots that kept him defensive the first 5 or so rounds Tommy would hurt him BAD!!...
Judah does not start out as fast as Hearns...He does not posess the long jab or one punch KO shot that Hearns did. Tomm was strong throughout the whole fight not in spots...Hearns also was as fast if not faster than judah especially with the jab....Floyd could move enough maybe to keep safe but Hearns could then just walk him down...
Contrary to popular beliefe Flod does not have the power Leonard did and Floyd would not be as obliging to go toe to toe as Ray was....It took wearing down from shots duriing the fight to get hearns tired enough to get caught like Leonard caught Hearns...
Most of Tommys losses by KO and his Glass Jaw as people like to say were against a lot bigger punchers than Floyd...And at a higher weight than 147
At welter Hearn's Hands down Floyd could not handle Tommy's power 8)