The right man won tonight but I would like to see Usyk in with Parker or Wilder before the top x2.
I would have liked to see Usyk close the show in the championship rounds and knock Chisora out.
Chisora should not have lasted that long.
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The right man won tonight but I would like to see Usyk in with Parker or Wilder before the top x2.
I would have liked to see Usyk close the show in the championship rounds and knock Chisora out.
Chisora should not have lasted that long.
Usyk really should earn the right to fight AJ or Fury who are the two best fighters in the division by facing the next tier of heavyweights above Chisora. These are fighters like Whyte and Parker.
Wilder is a bit of an anomaly.
However being mandatory contender for AJ he will call his bluff and challenge him probably hoping Joshua vacates the title to fight Fury. This would allow Usyk to fight Whyte and Parker to "grow" into the division. If AJ decides to fight Usyk he will beat him as he is too big and powerful for him.
Parker would be a good test for Usyk.
He is a level below the likes of Fury, but a level above the likes of Chisora.
He's similarly sized to Usyk but possesses blistering handspeed & good boxing skills, but will dig in & fight if necessary.
I think it would be a hard fight to call.
Yeah Parker would be a good shout. Good mobility, speed, decent punch power, durable. He'd make Usyk work for it. May happen if AJ bins off the WBO for the Fury fight which he absolutely should if it means having the fight or not.
Wilder gets picked apart. As always just a question of can he land the bingo punch.
I think Usyk can do better than maybe is being let on at heavyweight. I'd go with his sharp combo and mobility to drive Wilder bananas and it's the type of accuracy that can repeatedly hurt a guy fighting that tense and with the footwork of a new born gazelle. Parker would be solid, very sturdy composed with some pop. On sheer style and maybe the massive size difference oddly enough I thing Ruiz would be a fun fight but Andy must reestablish something for the table first. Two fast hitter who throw in combo. But fat chance that comes off.
Usyk would decision both. He might even stop Wilder late.
Do you think Usyk can beat Dubois?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Oleksandr Usyk would beat Anthony Joshua - but fall short against Tyson Fury.
That is the view of former world champion George Groves following Usyk's win over Derek Chisora last weekend.
The former undisputed cruiserweight ruler outpointed Chisora to secure his shot at Joshua's world title.
Joshua, however, is likely to side-step Usyk and instead drop his WBO belt in order to unify against Fury.
But should the rivals meet in the future, Groves would favour the Ukrainian.
"You can put him in there with anyone but whether he's going to be big enough to deal with Tyson Fury I'm not sure," he told After The Bell .
"With Usyk's style, for his size, he will struggle a touch in the heavyweight division because he needs the guys in front to settle so that he can acclimatise to his timing.
"He likes guys to punch at him and sometimes in the heavyweight division that doesn't happen.
"His weight is on the front foot a lot of the time and he likes to slip, take angles and then counter off his opponent's angles.
"Joshua is a completely different fighter to Fury; much more muscular and a ferocious puncher but he likes to box with his hands high and someone like Usyk might be able to pull that apart and force Joshua to throw punches he doesn't want to.
"Against Alexander Povetkin, Joshua was punching down and Povetkin could create the angles and he caused him some problems and Usyk is a sharper, faster and fresher version of Povetkin.
"If you put Usyk in with someone like Fury, I don't see how Fury lets him get into the fight in that way.
"He's so big and he has a good repertoire of shots and he can change stances; even when he doesn't get the fundamentals right, he's so big he gets away with it.
"I can't see how Usyk's style can be particularly effective against him."
Rather than Joshua, Usyk is instead likely to face Daniel Dubois for the vacant belt, assuming the young Londoner beats Joe Joyce later this month.
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I think he can, I'll wait to see how Dubois looks against Joyce.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterDo you think Usyk can beat Dubois?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
After seeing Usyk fight, I do think there’s another level he can climb.
He will always have good movement but not enough power to hassle the top x4 in the division.
Parker must be next!
Oh absolutely.
Upon seeing how Usyk predictably outboxed and outlasted Chisora in his second fight at heavyweight... and after seeing how Wilder got manhandled by Fury in their second fight...
Of course there's no way in hell that Wilder beats Usyk... much less blow him out.
Doesn't matter that Wilder has 4 inches in height and 5 inches in reach on him.
Doesn't matter that Fury is a bigger man than Wilder, a wily veteran, and got into Wilder's head.
Doesn't matter that Wilder still possess otherwordly power and has knocked out many a heavyweight.
What matters is that Wilder was knocked out in his last fight and was therefore exposed as a patsy for any up-and-coming cruiser that moves to heavy.
Uysk makes Wilder look silly, however, his lack of power at heavyweight means any top 10-type heavyweight with a dig is going to be a threat. What dominate heavyweight needed 12 rounds every fight? Holyfield had a better dig and was fighting much smaller men.
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If Usyck gets a fight with Wilder it would be a gift for him, easy win. But I'm not sure Wilder would take the fight whilst mug punters think he's got a chance against Fury and would pay for it. Usyck Joshua would be interesting but I think Joshua wont risk it against someone so quick, he's looking for a big money retirement fight against Fury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Was Usyk-Chisora a good fight?
It was interesting early as Chisora bullied Usyk and made him very uncomfortable. After the 5th round Chisora was ahead but tired and Usyk moved around a lot easier and outboxed him. It still ended up a close fight and illustrated that Usyk is too small to beat the super heavies like AJ and Fury but could do well against the next lot below.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Just saw it & responded on their fight thread, thx!Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt was interesting early as Chisora bullied Usyk and made him very uncomfortable. After the 5th round Chisora was ahead but tired and Usyk moved around a lot easier and outboxed him. It still ended up a close fight and illustrated that Usyk is too small to beat the super heavies like AJ and Fury but could do well against the next lot below.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
I honestly think Wilder does a job on him.
He was hit far to often by Chisora, who isn’t the most technical fighter (Like Wilder).
Chisora is also slow, very slow, far slower than Wilder.
I think it’ll be a points job for Usyk until Wilder lands a few bombs.
Thankfully for Usyk Wilder is retired now.
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I think Wilder does not land a glove on Usyk and he makes a fool of himself for 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
That is a possibility.. however I’ve spoken about many fights with you over the years, on here and vocally and I find it hard to believe that you don’t think Wilder will land at least a few solid punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think Wilder does not land a glove on Usyk and he makes a fool of himself for 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Wilder is bigger, longer, more powerful, better stamina, fought better opponents (or at least wins in his big fights) and as equally skilled as Chisora.
Let’s not forget (and it hasn’t been mentioned) that everyone during that fight was yelling “cut the ring off”, which Chisora didn’t do. He laboured and followed Usyk the whole fight like a novice.
I think if wilder cut the ring and fought a bit more sensible he’d get to him.
Luis Ortiz dominated Wilder, especially in the second match and he’s not too dissimilar to Usyk albeit slower and older, but he’s that slick style.