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What's next?
I'm not a Zab fan by any means but don't mean for this to turn into a hate thread, just tell me what you think he should do, take a tuneup or two or jump right back in and try to get a good win to get back on track.
Any ideas about a specific next fight?
Zab will probably be in another tough fight. Because he can't afford to miss an opportunity on tuneups, and its not like it will be televised. So zab probably will go back to where he was after the Weis win. Probably be 7 months before he fights again, but he isn't done by any means.
He's perfectly placed to go in as the non-house fighter for the other welters making a run at Mayweather. He won't cost the other guys that much but I'm not sure if they would think he's too much of a risk
Weiss was a tough fight. He's a good fighter, but Zab was determined at that point. After suffering a Ko, and being humiliated by his behavior, Zab did great coming back. Same with the Spinks fight. I think Zab's feelings will be hurt because he lost to his rival, but it's not like he got embarassed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
That's what I say. If Floyd signs a fight with Oscar, then Margarito will fight someone. Zab could take a tune-up, and then get a fight with Tony for sure, or the winner of Gatti-Baldomir. Especially if Gatti wins, because he don't want Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by shooter
Zab is a big name, and losing to one of the best p4p, and not getting KOd, and doing well, still gives him a little clout.
I hope he makes some good moves. Good lick Zab!
It's a tough one for the guy now,I mean who will want to fight him,he does not have the title anymore. Um,if Floyd ducks Margarito, then maybe Zab could fill in?
That's what i was saying. Fighters are going to think, because he lost his last two, and almost got KOd in one of them, that he's not for real like people once thought. But, his name is bigger than most, so guys looking to come up, or guys who aren't getting a shot {Margarito}, would jump at him.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
But, I think Zab still has something, and someone who takes him lightly, will be suprised.
Yeah I agree, I don't like him as a person,his childish ways do not sit well with me BUT he did well last night and is a good fighter. Yes,I did just say that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
:coolclick: For being honest. Most people on this site wouldn't think that I would say it either, but, Zab is a good fighter, that needs to grow up.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
Yeah, but c'mon guys. I was thoroughly entertained by Zab's "EAST SIDE!" move.
Yeah, he's a dirty fighter. We always knew that. Choking Jay Nady is lower than low.
Zab did good. And should be proud of himself yes.
But in all honesty, he shortchanged himself, rather than proud, he could be drunk with joy at dominating Floyd, had he kept up his output.
C'mon. He matched Floyd in everything, except he had power. ;)
But Mayweather had focus, something Judah has always lacked.
COOL CLICK back bro,hey I give credit where it is due,I'm not so anti a particular fighter that I will not give credit where it is due!Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
I have not seen the fight yet so I cannot really say but yeah, it does seem as though had Zab continued as he did with the first few rounds, he could actually have won?!? I heard his corner wanted him to let his hands to go, he should have just gone all out, I mean this was possibly his last big big chance!! I would have just put it all on the line!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyrokai
I have to disagree with you on this, Zab was out-boxing Floyd. The reason he didn't, and wouldn't dominate was, he didn't make adjustments. Floyd made adjustments, and went to the body. After a couple of rounds, you can't say Zab didn't look like a different fighter. People say Zab lost focus, or Zab lost confidence. Bullshat! Those body-shots slowed him, and hurt him. When Zab hit Floyd low, Floyd had just hit him with some body-shots. Zab never altered forom the double jab, and the 1-2. Randomly throwing a body shot. Zab has a killer uppercut, and I don't remember him throwing one!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyrokai
Zab was dominating, but he just didn't quit. The body work is what changed the fight.
Actually.... I "THINK" it was Zab who was landing the more effective body blows in the beginning. Floyd didn't do them effectively, until Zab stopped.
But I'm willing to say, I may be a freagin' bast*rd and be harsh on Zab.
Great Fight Night though.
:beerchug: Arce, Diaz, Cotto, even JC.
Cotto-Diaz was great. Diaz showed he's willing to fight. Now, lets see if he can handle a big puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyrokai
I wonder who Zab will fight next?
i think he can move on from this loss... would like to see him in with Cotto ;D
Probably a rubber match with Cory Spinks is his most likely move. Spinks must surely be looking at a way back into the boxing limelight and he'll want revenge on Zab.
You never know, he may even make a move for Hatton, although Hatton probably will not be interested as Zab holds no titles.
After Collazo I think it's a near certainty that Hatton will be chasing the winner of Baldomir Gatti to pick up his 4th world title in successive fights!
Probly just have a few tune ups and go back after a title again.
Since Zab's finished I figure he can start by selling his gold fronts on ebay.
He should go back to the 40/40 club with J-zee and continue to drink louie th 15th hennessey every weekend like he normally does.
Well with floyd hurting his hand and the intentions to fight De la hoya, other challengers could be in for a wait. Zab might do well to take advantage and steal as many paydays from floyd as he can in that time and see if he could get hatton and margarito to bite. He's shown the vulnerability to look beatable for opponent in top condition and focus and hes got the skills to still upset those guys. Its a win- win situation for Zab. He's got nothing to lose and everything to gain. If he loses, he still gets more money that he probably would to fight anyone else. If he wins, he clears out the division and sets up a possible rematch with mayweather down the line where he can have everyone thinking hes more focused. At the same time if Mayweather beats an aging de la hoya, but has his major competition wiped out by zab, he can look less spectacular and that would seemingly close the gap that made the difference in this fight.
Zab is not a dirty fighter BERNARD HOPKINS is a dirty fighter ;) But Zab isn't. The only fouls I have seen him do is.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
His low blow of Mickey Ward in the first round in which Mickey returned the favor.
And his low blow of PBF.
Thats it, you say he's a dirty fighter because he reacted badly to a loss ??? The Nady incident doesn't mean he's a dirty fighter, he was just a sore loser. and his recent losses he hasn't exploded like he did against Nady so I really don't think thats a case anymore. Why do ythe Zab detractors only hold on to that moment?
Zab could do well to fight anyone but Mayweather at 140 or 147.. Cotto, Hatton, Margarito.. Those are all fights he COULD win. I don't care what anyone says, if he fought as well as he did last night even he would have a good shot against any of them.. But now that he is coming off of 2 losses and with the foul incident and all that, will ppl want to fight him.. Will that still make money as well? If so then he definetly has some options.
Um reality Check. Not for nothing but Zab has volumes of stuff hes done that speak negatively about his character. Aside from the Nady incident, Slapping baldomir on the thigh before the fight (i think he tried to hit him on the glove but he missed, but he is responsible for any people that may have misconstrued that...) Lets not forget hitting david Sample while he was down in the corner (I'll wait for you to bring up Roy vs. montel I, as expected before we get into that). I still never got the full story on what happened with him and Bustah rhymes. Either way, he has a string of stupid little things like this that shown hes acted like a Thug and a punk for the longest time. His tyson-esque behavior was predicted by Roger Mayweather. He hasn't bitten anyone yet (I hear bloods a b*tch to clean out of platinum settings) or put anyone in an armbar... So use that if you wish to add merit to your arguement that hes not a dirty fighter. There should be no question about him being a dirty person. His act stinks of desperation, false bravado, unprofessionalism and lack of character. I used to be one of his biggest fans, but now I have absolutely no respect left for him or Yoel. I'll reserve any judgements on Daniel Judah as I havent seen him fight yet...Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
Seems like a good starter for Hatton or Cotto at 147!
Boldimor
No I won't. I will instead say that many fighters have hit fighters when they are down and that includes PBF and Bernard Hopkins and Bell, but many fighters do it. I don't have to bring Roy Jones into it because I won't single him out for things many boxers do like you are doing to Zab :)Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
Nothing happened, otherwise he wouldn't be working with him now. Whatever happened wasn't as big as they made it to be. And I won't bring up Roy Jones and Fat Joe ;)Quote:
I still never got the full story on what happened with him and Bustah rhymes.
All you did was mention David Sample which are things many fighters do and then mention outside stuff and it still doesn't mean he's a dirty fighter since you can only name about 3 fights. and please, if you breakdown every single fight in which a foul has happened and try to pin Zab as the only one to do it then you're really deep into the Haterade ;)Quote:
His tyson-esque behavior was predicted by Roger Mayweather. He hasn't bitten anyone yet (I hear bloods a b*tch to clean out of platinum settings) or put anyone in an armbar... So use that if you wish to add merit to your arguement that hes not a dirty fighter.
What act? He hit Floyd low and then hit him in the head. I still do not see it as intentional(the low blow) but I will give you the back of the head shot. I don't think Zab is a dirty fighter, or a dirty person. And nothing you say is going to change that if you've never met the guy.Quote:
There should be no question about him being a dirty person. His act stinks of desperation, false bravado, unprofessionalism and lack of character.
I don't see how you can make that broad a statement. No respect for him? I respect your opinion on that. but after alst night to make THAT much of an impression on you, surprises me. It really does.Quote:
I used to be one of his biggest fans, but now I have absolutely no respect left for him or Yoel.
I agree. Zab is officially now a tune up fight for any and everyone seeking to move up from super lightweight to welterweight. He should change his nickname from 'super' to 'stepping stone.'Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
JUDAH - MARGARITO
Dont see how i can make that broad of a statement based on last night? Thats just it. You don't seem to get it. Its not just based last night. Where you would like to take every incident and separate it and treat it as some sort of isolated first offense and start an argument with "its not horrible as...." or end it with "...but lots of people have done it", many people tend to judge a person for what they have done cumulatively. This is represents his whole punk attitude and lifestyle. To be honest, I would like to say i saw it coming prior to last night, but i never actually thought he would resort to something like that when he was losing. All the other things hes done seem to come when he had an advantage because he figured it didnt matter since he would be winning anyway and wouldnt have to pay for his behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
When I refer to his act, I am referring to everything. How he conducts and represents himself as a professional fighter and sportsman. Its the means by which he makes his money, supports his family and gained his notoriety. I had little respect for Yoel as a trainer before but there is no reason Zab has the talents near the level or a mayweather or jones and acts in a way that makes him look like a Tyson or Golota. A fighter like mayorga needs that kind of stupidity to try to intimidate and agitate his opponents to make up for where his talents fall short. Zab doesn't.
For the record, when zab hit sample. Sample had already went down and was trying to get back up and hand his hands on the middle rope on the corner and was looking up when judah beat the inexperienced ref over to the corner, stood over sample and got in a shot for good measure. It was blatant.
I am not saying he was always bad, he seemed like a decent confused kid with a bad trainer. But hes had that influence so long that he's started to think with the same mentality. I'm pretty sure Don king whispering in his ear doesnt help either. But its not like hes 17 or 19. Hes old enough to think for himself and start acting responsibly.
By the way, roy jones approached fat joe in a club and confronted him about the lyrics and Joe apologized and it was squashed... even if there wasnt i doubt there would be a fight. Maybe a reply track or reference to joe somewhere ona body/head record but I doubt seriously that It would have came down to fisticuffs as reported in the zab/bustah incident.