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A Fractured orbital bone and nerve damage.
Will all future opponents chase that left eye?
He’s young enough to bounce back but surely the tactics after the first few rounds should have changed.
Move your head and through some feints!
Would you have continued fighting?
Yes Dubois quit but there is no shame in that. He was beaten by the better man and Dubois just did not have enough experience to manage out the last few rounds.
Dubois could have got a more serious injury if he carried on and did the sensible thing.
Far better fighters have come back and he can learn from this experience.
Dubois had little head movement to avoid the jab and could not get his own powerful jab/combinations going.
Take a knee and the loss to come back stronger. He is young enough to improve.
Totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
He always had issues with head movement.
Joyce has an weird style and his jab looked strange at times but it was extremely effective with 18st behind it!
Thought Dubois would have been too frisky for Joyce. But apparently Joyce is not an Olympic silver medalist for nothing. :cool:
Those jabs by Joyce looked like point scoring taps but he must be very heavy handed because the damage from them started in round 1. If he can land them on Usyk he will give him problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by impTotally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
He always had issues with head movement.
Joyce has an weird style and his jab looked strange at times but it was extremely effective with 18st behind it!
He did quit, but greater fighters than Dubois have quit before now & they went on to achieve great things.
I'm not bestowing greatness upon Dubois just yet, as he hasn't done anything to warrant that, just to be clear.
That eye will definitely be a problem going forwards.
As we have seen with Kell Brook, that damage seems to be lasting, if not physically, certainly psychologically.
He quit 100%
But he isn’t good enough.
Joyce is a 35 year old prospect.
I think if he continues in boxing he is going to end up very badly hurt.
The blueprint to beat him is so basic as proven last night.
Flicking jab.
Yes but it’s the question on whether or not it was acceptable. I completely understand why he quit, but at that age with the amount of desire you should have to win, it doesn’t look great. I think it proved that he will never reach the top because he looked like he wanted to quit for half of the fight.
Acceptable to who? No one elses opinion on acceptability means fuck all.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Dubios thought it was acceptable and that’s all the matters.
I do believe he shouldn’t continue boxing, unless it’s purely for paydays.
He can learn to adjust and come back stronger?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Jab ruined him.
Did Joyce even use his right hand?
Dubois did quit but he did it for the right reasons.
Brook did quit but he did it for the right reasons.
Khan just quit.
Yeah he quit. But it should never have come to that. The ref saw that eye closed for at least 6 rounds and not once did he take a look or get a doctor to take a look.
Ok , maybe DDD Should have just gone for it , shit or bust earlier, die on his sword , yadda, yadda. But he hasn’t got the experience or ring IQ to do that.
More importantly and this is the real scandal, that at 21 years old, he doesn’t have the stamina to go for an all out attack.
2 disgraces here, 1. The ref . & 2. DDD’s lack of Stamina.
But his quitting was not in that category.
It's not a fair question to ask in hindsight.
At the time of the fight, anyone who said that he quit were perfectly justified in saying so, because no-one, not even Dubois himself knew what the problem was.
In hindsight, he did the right thing, but it doesn't alter the fact that he did quit.
Hopefully he can recover fully & resume his career, because he seems really dedicated to the sport & comes across as a decent guy.
Looking at the comments on the BBC news thread about this .... loving all the criticism about 'quitting' from keyboard warriors who have never set foot in a boxing ring in their life ;D
Fans opinion for sure matter because that’s how he gets his paycheck. If everyone just views him as a quitter that is overrated then he loses a lot of future money.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosAcceptable to who? No one elses opinion on acceptability means fuck all.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Dubios thought it was acceptable and that’s all the matters.
I do believe he shouldn’t continue boxing, unless it’s purely for paydays.
With that said, he made his decision to quit which is up to him. My point was that long before he quit, he looked like he wanted to quit. It’s not like Brook where he was completely game but eventually quit because of his eye socket. Dubois seemed to want an out for a while.
I kinda agree with you. My issue is people talking so much about the quit, guy couldn’t see. He did look shaken after blowing his wad in the first 3 rounds and he was scared.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherFans opinion for sure matter because that’s how he gets his paycheck. If everyone just views him as a quitter that is overrated then he loses a lot of future money.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosAcceptable to who? No one elses opinion on acceptability means fuck all.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Dubios thought it was acceptable and that’s all the matters.
I do believe he shouldn’t continue boxing, unless it’s purely for paydays.
With that said, he made his decision to quit which is up to him. My point was that long before he quit, he looked like he wanted to quit. It’s not like Brook where he was completely game but eventually quit because of his eye socket. Dubois seemed to want an out for a while.
But he needs to be real with himself now about going forward.
Viktor Faust Vykhryst fought friday night in his 5th fight and he looked like he would have beaten both of them comfortably.
The class difference between Faust and Dubios is so vast.
Viktor Vykhryst was very comfortable when he fought Joyce in the WSB, Had a nice little lie down ;D
It's pretty evident he quit, but as said it was for the right reasons. His face was reddening after round 1 and his eye was a mess. It was a pretty solid jab that landed right on that swelling knocking it back into his face, it's easy to see how that could cause some serious damage and pain in and around the eye.
Wouldn't write off Dubois just yet, I was pretty high on him, but I think we can bring down his hype a few levels now and see how he rebounds.
Thats why I said ahead of Dubois lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
He would have beaten JJ on Saturday though.
daniel quit
I've never liked slapping labels of guys, among them bum, quitter and great not necessarily in that order ;D. Truth is I've never had the pleasure of having my face shattered over a few rounds and knowing what my instinct would be in a ring with rules. In the bigger picture Dubois indeed quit, opted out, bent the knee etc. But I've come around from 'a quit is a quit' years ago to seeing some varying degrees of a fighter deciding he wants out. We've seen quits out of mere frustration, quits on the ring walk before they even entered :OhNo:, quits from some just there for the payday doing flop jobs brought into lose, the Golota panic type quits, and guys who take a subtle sustained hammering with obvious injury and Dubois falls there for me. Dubois proved to have little adjustments and ran pretty much one predictable gear which doesn't bode well for his future but it's not like he blames a case of the fight day shits or flying out of the ring through the ropes Superfly Kermit Cintron style :-X. There was talk of the ref blowing it and that's valid, even the corner and ring doctor. Ultimately you have to look out for the fighter above all. A corner watches a guy breakdown up close and personal all night long and they know them better than anyone. Ref sees it every night too and that's their job. Dubois may have to shake a little stigma but he can't buy into this defining him only he can do that over a career.
It might be a little premature to compare him with Brook when thinking about how he will cope when he comes back, it doesn't sound like it was a serious as Brooks, DDD doesn't need surgery on it for one, sure he will have a lot of improving to do on his return but the injury may be as big of a factor as people are thinking
Move your head Daniel.
https://youtu.be/xQ6vTjTrelI
Daniel Dubois has been given the all-clear to resume his career after the crushing defeat to heavyweight rival Joe Joyce in November.
Following a hospital consultation with his medical team on Friday, Dubois is planning to return as early as April.
And it will be with a new man in the corner. Dubois has dispensed with the services of trainer Martin Bowers following brutal stoppage that forced his retirement in the tenth round of his clash with Joyce.
Though some accused Dubois of quitting, the extent of the injuries to a broken eye socket that produced a loss of vision and grotesque swelling, justified his decision to take the count.
On Thursday a video showing him exercising in the garden on a variety of exercise bars revealed no physical scars from the defeat.
His promoter Frank Warren is taking a measured approach as he rebuilds his fighter’s career.
“I met with him last week,” Warren said. “He is not a braggart or a loudmouth and was quite philosophical. When he was caught, he said the pain was searing right through his head.
“He said it has happened and he has to get on with it. The pressure’s on him now, but it is not like he took a real belting or got knocked out. If he had been pulled out the round before, two judges had him ahead on their scorecard.
“We want to get him back out in late April or maybe May. All of us are very disappointed with what happened, but he is young and we are not going to rush him into anything.”
https://inews.co.uk/sport/boxing/dan...omeback-859913
Thats a bit harsh mateQuote:
Originally Posted by VendettosAcceptable to who? No one elses opinion on acceptability means fuck all.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Dubios thought it was acceptable and that’s all the matters.
I do believe he shouldn’t continue boxing, unless it’s purely for paydays.
i won good money on that fight, they were throwing him under a bus
I really cant believe he was favourite
That said he lost to a vastly more experienced fighter, hes a complete novice in comparison and has loads of opportunity to improve
no need to throw in the towel yet
Article on the BBC today suggests he's still waiting on being given the all clear yet.
Sounds to me like there's some real potential concern over the eye. How long does it really take to assess the damage?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/55992342