Fury v Joshua - May 2021

Hearn and Arum are looking at May for the first fight then Nov/Dec for the second.
Hope this can happen at Wembley Infront of 90,000 fans, anywhere/anything else won't do this mega fight justice.
AJ needs to bin the WBO belt and Usyk off if that's what it takes to get this done.
The worry is that this is likely to happen in Saudi Arabia after Hearn stated that it'll take around £100 million to get both guys in the ring.

Bob Arums already saying this'll be the biggest fight since Ali v Frazer in 1971.



Nice article here

https://inews.co.uk/sport/boxing/ant...78?ITO=newsnow

The fight needs to happen, for years i was Fury's harshest critic, but he has won me over with his talking the talk and walking the walk.
Will be rooting for him to win this one. Should be a belter.

While it's ultimately the biggest clash in the division, possibly the entire sport and the biggest heavyweight fight for many years (at least in the UK), I still can't help but feel Josh vs Wilder a few years ago while both unbeaten would have been the bigger spectacle, just due to the raw power of both guys. It would have been a try gladiator battle or who lands first.

While Fury is no doubt the better out and out boxer, his lacking real explosive power makes for a totally different match up.
I think most people would agree the likely way this bout goes is either Fury wins rounds and either stays out of the way of Josh's bombs and get the decision, or Josh lands one (or maybe a follow up) that keeps Fury down.
That being said, Joshua has boxing ability unlike Wilder, so he could win rounds over Fury.

It's now THE fight everyone wants to see, let's hope they can agree terms and get it made!

I'll be part of the minority on this one, I guess. I'll probably root for AJ. Several reasons....

Much better resume for one. Take away Fury's admittedly impressive demolition of Wilder and his nauseating "head games" win over Klitschko in what was probably the worst fight in heavyweight boxing history, and whatta you got?

Zilch.

Fury hasn't exactly left a blaze of credible opponents in his wake.

Joshua meanwhile, has amassed a pretty solid record on his way to becoming champion. And against their common opponent, Klitschko, Joshua did the opposite of what Fury did.

Turned in a fight for the ages... suffering a knockdown before getting up and knocking out Wlad.

Off the ring? I find AJ unassuming, and couldn't care less about his political or social postures. He's a likable bloke.

Fury's a loudmouth... riding his victory over Wilder for all it's worth.

I will give him credit though... for taking the plunge with Wilder after all the frustrating shenanigans between Joshua and Wilder.

Would be criminal for this not to take place in the UK but sadly with the numbers involved I fear it will have to. Unless Covid dictates otherwise.

I'm a big Fury fan these days and can't believe how confident I am he will dismantle Joshua in the ring. Joshua won't be able to fight at a distance and beat Fury and he'll have to take some punches if he's going to win by ko. And this could be the first time Joshua hasn't been a favourite?

The mind games could play a big part and there's no one better around at that.

And yes Fury is the only one who's backed up everything he's said in the ring and his belief in himself is incredible.

Still can't believe he took the first Wilder fight in the shape he was in.

Good points made all round here for both fighters, gotta say gun to my head idpick Fury but AJ definitely has the power to put him on his ass.
Cannot wait for this one.
Massive MASSIVE fight 😎

Maybe Joshua re opening that cut is his best bet

Fury is the guy to beat.

I just find it strange that fans overlook the fact Fury cheated in the sport.

For that fact, I would want AJ to win.

Same with Callum, hope he beats Canelo.

Something Fury has also done is gone to a champions country 3 times and take the title away on all 2.

Joshua has never done that, he got charles Martin who was a disgrace of a titlist.

Joshua may perform best at home, so I'd expect a push to have it in the UK.

Tyson should ask for Dubai, as he has no issues performing well outside the UK.

Joshuas resume is better, there is no doubt.

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I'll be part of the minority on this one, I guess. I'll probably root for AJ. Several reasons....

Much better resume for one. Take away Fury's admittedly impressive demolition of Wilder and his nauseating "head games" win over Klitschko in what was probably the worst fight in heavyweight boxing history, and whatta you got?

Zilch.

Fury hasn't exactly left a blaze of credible opponents in his wake.

Joshua meanwhile, has amassed a pretty solid record on his way to becoming champion. And against their common opponent, Klitschko, Joshua did the opposite of what Fury did.

Turned in a fight for the ages... suffering a knockdown before getting up and knocking out Wlad.

Off the ring? I find AJ unassuming, and couldn't care less about his political or social postures. He's a likable bloke.

Fury's a loudmouth... riding his victory over Wilder for all it's worth.

I will give him credit though... for taking the plunge with Wilder after all the frustrating shenanigans between Joshua and Wilder.

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Fury is not as good as everyone says he is, and Joshua is not as much of a chinny robot as people say!

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Fury is not as good as everyone says he is, and Joshua is not as much of a chinny robot as people say!

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So what are you saying

The question is will AJ be hesitant? If he is, Fury will clearly outbox him. The only way AJ wins is to pressure Fury and make it uncomfortable. Fury doesn’t have the greatest chin but he does have heart.

Although Fury doesn’t have a huge punch, I wouldn’t be surprised if Fury goes at AJ early to make him think twice before coming in.

Oh Come on....

Joshua on BBC interview saying 'he climbed a mountain' to beat Pulev. This is bullshit talk good and proper, and pretty amateurish at that. Joshua is on retirement pay against Fury, So I guess he has to hype it up, but dont take us all for idiots.

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Fury is not as good as everyone says he is, and Joshua is not as much of a chinny robot as people say!

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So what are you saying

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Well, three or four years ago Joshua was the second coming of Joe Louis. A huge physical specimen, brutally economic technique and possibly the most destructive finisher in heavyweight history. Olympic gold medal, huge hype and promotion, and being portrayed as a naive smiley boy next door.

Fury was a fat pikey who hadn't fought anyone, had a history of erratic behaviour, no punch and had been knocked down by a cruiserweight. A no hoper of national calibre only.

Here we are now and Joshua is a chinny quitter who gasses out, is ponderous and over protected. Whereas Fury is an elite master boxer who is head and shoulders above any other heavyweight - and who might just beat any other heavyweight who ever lived - with a mystical granite chin.

None of the above is true, but that's just the way boxing hype goes, especially amongst mainstream sports fans.

What I do know is the machine will kick into overdrive now, though this is a great matchup in anyone's books. Joshua will be easily the best opponent Fury has faced. Fury will be the best opponent Joshua has ever faced (Wladimir was well past his best when he fought either of them)

.... but I don't buy the narrative that Fury will easily outbox Joshua and that it's a foregone conclusion!

Here is what will happen.

Fury will box and confuse AJ with his movement and take the most rounds up to about round 8, then AJ will start piling on the pressure and force Fury on the back foot in the latter stages of the fight.
Tyson will get clipped at some point heading for the canvas but will get up and continue to fight. The score cards will be close but the victory will go to AJ based on his aggressive hasty last few rounds trying to push for a KO and win some rounds back, even if Fury wins the rounds.

If Fury is to be believed about his style being more attacking due to Kronk Trainer, then it wont be the Fury the fought wilder the first time.

He'll take it to AJ in some of the rounds, we just have to hear what Fury has to say in pre fight interviews

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Oh Come on....

Joshua on BBC interview saying 'he climbed a mountain' to beat Pulev. This is bullshit talk good and proper, and pretty amateurish at that. Joshua is on retirement pay against Fury, So I guess he has to hype it up, but dont take us all for idiots.

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Yeah, they take everyone for idiots, even though everyone knows there's no mountains in Wembley. Typical Joshua bullshit.

Height and reach and far better skills and movement are going to do it for Fury. Joshua has the edge with power but Fury has the chin and his powder puff punches fucked Wilder up in no time. I think he'll fight the same way against Joshua that he did against Wilder.

Very possibly Kirkland - Joshua is so used to controlling the centre of the ring, stalking and pressing his opponent and therefore controlling the distance in which the fight takes place. I have absolutely no idea how well Joshua can fight on the back foot.

Its how Fury surprised Wilder, and itbwas genius to be honest. However, having seen that fight, I bet Joshua will be prepared for it?

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Very possibly Kirkland - Joshua is so used to controlling the centre of the ring, stalking and pressing his opponent and therefore controlling the distance in which the fight takes place. I have absolutely no idea how well Joshua can fight on the back foot.

Its how Fury surprised Wilder, and itbwas genius to be honest. However, having seen that fight, I bet Joshua will be prepared for it?

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You can prepare for it but when you've got a six foot nine inch pikey in front of you that you can't land cleanly on and he's bashing you with a jab you can't get out of the way of, body shots, you name it, it's a different matter.

Fair question though... and I'll be the only one to probably ask it. Memories of Fury-Wlad are still fresh on my mind. Worst HW title fight in boxing history, in which Fury used head games to completely psyche out Wlad and in the fight itself I've seen elementary school dustups with more punches thrown than that fight. Wlad was scared of Fury... and it seemed like viceversa. Fury's resume isn't all that long and impressive, and we're making a hell of a lot of assumptions off of two fights with someone that everyone spent a hell of a lot of time dissing as to his lack of boxing ability. Joshua is presumably quite a bit the better boxer between himself and Wilder so.....

You see my point. Is Fury really going to press the issue? Is he going to move Joshua back and engage? Wilder was fairly simple to outbox. He has a huge right hand, but the rest of the toolbox is rather empty. Joshua isn't Otto, or Pianeta, or Schwartz... or any of those other bums Fury has faced in between his fights with Wilder and back when he fought Wlad. Joshua can box AND he can punch.

Question is: Which Fury will show up for Joshua? "Wilder" Fury? Or "Wlad" Fury?

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Fair question though... and I'll be the only one to probably ask it. Memories of Fury-Wlad are still fresh on my mind. Worst HW title fight in boxing history, in which Fury used head games to completely psyche out Wlad and in the fight itself I've seen elementary school dustups with more punches thrown than that fight. Wlad was scared of Fury... and it seemed like viceversa. Fury's resume isn't all that long and impressive, and we're making a hell of a lot of assumptions off of two fights with someone that everyone spent a hell of a lot of time dissing as to his lack of boxing ability. Joshua is presumably quite a bit the better boxer between himself and Wilder so.....

You see my point. Is Fury really going to press the issue? Is he going to move Joshua back and engage? Wilder was fairly simple to outbox. He has a huge right hand, but the rest of the toolbox is rather empty. Joshua isn't Otto, or Pianeta, or Schwartz... or any of those other bums Fury has faced in between his fights with Wilder and back when he fought Wlad. Joshua can box AND he can punch.

Question is: Which Fury will show up for Joshua? "Wilder" Fury? Or "Wlad" Fury?

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And Joshua can lose against a taller, faster, heavier better fighter, easy money for Fury, just has to negotiate the right mix so he gets one wilder and two joshuas before retiring and saying fuck U to all the experts.

The same Fury that had difficulty with Otto?

AJ is just as chinny as Fury.

AJ is the best boxer and fighter that Fury has ever fought.

We don’t know what fights Fury legitimately won in his career due to the 2 year ban for PEDS.

Same with Mosley and many other cheaters.

So we can let Fury of the hook but we can’t let Canelo?

You're only as good as your last performance. That being the case Fury is a God like figure, untouchable by mere mortals it would seem.

Joshua does everything better than Wilder, by a long chalk. OK give the edge in power to Wilder if you want but this biggest puncher in the history of mankind crap is just that, the difference is negligible for me.

It's a no brainer to me that Joshua will be Fury's biggest and best challenge and a million miles from the foregone conclusion some think it to be.

I've picked Joshua from day one and nothings changed my mind.

I’ve thought some more about this. For me it’s a 65-35 fight in Fury’s favour.

A lot for me comes down to mental strength and Fury’s is incredible. That and the Ruiz defeat go against AJ.

This fight will be won and lost in the first round.

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You're only as good as your last performance. That being the case Fury is a God like figure, untouchable by mere mortals it would seem.

Joshua does everything better than Wilder, by a long chalk. OK give the edge in power to Wilder if you want but this biggest puncher in the history of mankind crap is just that, the difference is negligible for me.

It's a no brainer to me that Joshua will be Fury's biggest and best challenge and a million miles from the foregone conclusion some think it to be.

I've picked Joshua from day one and nothings changed my mind.

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Good. I was beginning to feel weirdly alone in my bubble. ;D

The highlighted part of your comment is what I've seen more and more. As I've said... all credit in the world to Fury for having taken on the "lights-out" bogeyman.

But when you sit down for a job interview they usually discuss your whole resume, not just your last job.

My boxing memory is fairly sharp on some fights (and not so much on others ;D ).

So the Fury-Wlad fight is still burned into some portion of my mind as one of the most pitiful fights I have ever had the misfortune of watching.

On the other hand, people seem to have forgotten the Joshua-Wlad fight, which I hailed as the first wonderful, exciting heavyweight title fight in DECADES. Sharp contrast. ;)

Other than the Wlad fiasco and his admittedly awesome destruction of Wilder, Fury has a pretty bleak resume.

He may very well get into AJ's head the same way he got into Wlad's (I hope not).

Or he may very well dazzle the world with his skills and thoroughly outbox AJ.... very possible.

But I'll be rooting for Joshua.

Its a worrying state of affairs for me how 'the experts' on the interwebs are infiltrating the mainstream boxing media and they're towing the party line. Generally good judges are going along with this idea that Joshua wont lay a glove on Fury when every single bit of evidence points to the contrary. He's been hit, hurt and dropped consistently throughout his career at every level. Now, when he fights the best possible opponent out there, all that counts for nothing and Joshua will have to throw a handful of rice at him to have any hope of making contact? Utter nonsense.

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You're only as good as your last performance. That being the case Fury is a God like figure, untouchable by mere mortals it would seem.

Joshua does everything better than Wilder, by a long chalk. OK give the edge in power to Wilder if you want but this biggest puncher in the history of mankind crap is just that, the difference is negligible for me.

It's a no brainer to me that Joshua will be Fury's biggest and best challenge and a million miles from the foregone conclusion some think it to be.

I've picked Joshua from day one and nothings changed my mind.

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Good. I was beginning to feel weirdly alone in my bubble. ;D

The highlighted part of your comment is what I've seen more and more. As I've said... all credit in the world to Fury for having taken on the "lights-out" bogeyman.

But when you sit down for a job interview they usually discuss your whole resume, not just your last job.

My boxing memory is fairly sharp on some fights (and not so much on others ;D ).

So the Fury-Wlad fight is still burned into some portion of my mind as one of the most pitiful fights I have ever had the misfortune of watching.

On the other hand, people seem to have forgotten the Joshua-Wlad fight, which I hailed as the first wonderful, exciting heavyweight title fight in DECADES. Sharp contrast. ;)

Other than the Wlad fiasco and his admittedly awesome destruction of Wilder, Fury has a pretty bleak resume.

He may very well get into AJ's head the same way he got into Wlad's (I hope not).

Or he may very well dazzle the world with his skills and thoroughly outbox AJ.... very possible.

But I'll be rooting for Joshua.

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I have to take issue with your description of Wlad v Fury as a pitiful performance.

I am no Fury fanboy but in many ways it was a masterclass. Certainly more than the Wilder fights.

Wilder is not fit to tie up Wlads boots if we are going to be all about honesty.

When Fury fought Wlad nobody could see that coming. The mind games from the Klits turned back on them? Genius

He moved brilliantly on a canvas that should never have been passed fit.


That said he isn't going to have the same easy night against Joshua, and for me the Joshua/Wald fight was the most entertaining heavyweight fight for years. It had more drama than the Wagner's 'Ring' cycle, but surely that does not make

Fury's fight invalid or somehow 'pitiful'?

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You're only as good as your last performance. That being the case Fury is a God like figure, untouchable by mere mortals it would seem.

Joshua does everything better than Wilder, by a long chalk. OK give the edge in power to Wilder if you want but this biggest puncher in the history of mankind crap is just that, the difference is negligible for me.

It's a no brainer to me that Joshua will be Fury's biggest and best challenge and a million miles from the foregone conclusion some think it to be.

I've picked Joshua from day one and nothings changed my mind.

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Good. I was beginning to feel weirdly alone in my bubble. ;D

The highlighted part of your comment is what I've seen more and more. As I've said... all credit in the world to Fury for having taken on the "lights-out" bogeyman.

But when you sit down for a job interview they usually discuss your whole resume, not just your last job.

My boxing memory is fairly sharp on some fights (and not so much on others ;D ).

So the Fury-Wlad fight is still burned into some portion of my mind as one of the most pitiful fights I have ever had the misfortune of watching.

On the other hand, people seem to have forgotten the Joshua-Wlad fight, which I hailed as the first wonderful, exciting heavyweight title fight in DECADES. Sharp contrast. ;)

Other than the Wlad fiasco and his admittedly awesome destruction of Wilder, Fury has a pretty bleak resume.

He may very well get into AJ's head the same way he got into Wlad's (I hope not).

Or he may very well dazzle the world with his skills and thoroughly outbox AJ.... very possible.

But I'll be rooting for Joshua.

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I have to take issue with your description of Wlad v Fury as a pitiful performance.

I am no Fury fanboy but in many ways it was a masterclass. Certainly more than the Wilder fights.

Wilder is not fit to tie up Wlads boots if we are going to be all about honesty.

When Fury fought Wlad nobody could see that coming. The mind games from the Klits turned back on them? Genius

He moved brilliantly on a canvas that should never have been passed fit.


That said he isn't going to have the same easy night against Joshua, and for me the Joshua/Wald fight was the most entertaining heavyweight fight for years. It had more drama than the Wagner's 'Ring' cycle, but surely that does not make

Fury's fight invalid or somehow 'pitiful'?

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... and one man's "masterclass" is another man's "disgraceful performance."

If ever there was a vote for the heavyweight title fight where the greatest number of viewers dropped from pure boredom... Wlad-Fury would win hands down.

Fury deserves credit for one thing. For getting into Wlad's head so bad he made Wlad look as timid as a rabbit at a coyote convention.

The number of punches per round surely broke some kind of world record in the wrong direction.

Sure... boxing's all about the "W"... but in addition to that it's about the spectacle and entertainment value for paying fans.

Nah. "Pitiful" was the kindest word I could find and I'm sticking to it.

"Mind games from the Klits"? You mean the same robotic Klits whose idea of trash-talking is to say "I'm pretty sure I'm going to beat you"? Those mind games?

Hey I get it. Fury's British and someone for you to rally for. But then so is Joshua (British)... so that part's a wash.

The part about the resumes still stands. Joshua has a decent one with decent opponents... and Fury has a shitty one, with Wilder being his only crowning achievement... and Wilder being in the hysterical funny position of being at the same time a piss-poor boxer who "is not fit to tie up Wlad's boots" while at the same time being a formidable opponent who Fury vanquished.

Boxing fans are a funny lot.

Looking like they'll have to drop a belt or two to make this happen. I hope they do and say fuck the organisations...

Definitely leaning to Fury on this one but AJ brings the pop and unlike Wilder his delivery systems are top notch and missing a punch doesn't turn him into a new born Gazelle. Just see Fury with the deeper tool box not to mention the mentalities pre and during fights of these two can be night and day. Fury has a way of nesting in a guys head. Some is gibberish and clowning up but similar to Wilder I think AJ is wound too tight mentally. That is there to exploit and Fury is a master at it. I don't think he approaches AJ like Wilder with the upped aggression. He has the wheels and mobility and backfoot to make AJ work his legs early. This will be a helluva fight.

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Looking like they'll have to drop a belt or two to make this happen. I hope they do and say fuck the organisations...

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More than likely, I won't mind if they tangle without a title or2 .

Crazy to have just x2 fights a year..even at this level.

Joshua needs to be more active.

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Crazy to have just x2 fights a year..even at this level.

Joshua needs to be more active.

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If AJ had his way he would have fought again February but the fight with Fury is too big to take another fight in between. Fury will not have fought for 15 months by the time they face one another.