Are septuagenarian exhibitions the future of boxing?

https://www.boxingscene.com/glenn-mc...llenge--156324

"Glenn McCrory: Roy Jones Fight is My Biggest Challenge"


Is this a new "niche" in boxing? Are we going to be having all these old dudes come back into the boxing ring, under the guise of an exhibition... or whatever else they want to call it... and pass it off as televised entertainment?

Is boxing really that bad off that we need to have this ever-growing number of "fights" between old fogies?

Maybe the 2013 movie "Grudge Match" was a precursor of things to come in real life. Part of me is willing to wager that Stallone comes back with yet another film in which he laces up the gloves... "Creed" movies notwithstanding.



Hey... I got no problem with this Glenn McCrory (who?) wanting to come back and be able to say to his grandkids that he mixed it up with the great Roy Jones Jr. in the ring.

But can't they do this at a local gym or at somebody's backyard?

This much is true. I've got NO DESIRE to ever watch RJJ in the ring again. Shit... I was pretty much against the exhibition with Mike Tyson since it was planned.

Out of morbid curiosity, I watched it... and about the only takeaway I got from it was that Tyson is still in pretty good shape... and that Tyson took it as the meaningless exhibition (for charity) that it was... while Jones ridiculously talked a bit more seriously about it, apparently forgetting the fact that Tyson could've blown him away within 10 seconds of the first round.



This shit wouldn't be so bad, except that the "exhibition bug" seems to have bitten even some young, unproven, still-rising fighters (ie: Ryan Garcia) who basically should STFU about fighting exhibitions with Pacquiao or anybody else... and dedicate himself to continuing to develop his own career. Seems this instant gratification mentality where you win a couple of high-profile fights and all of a sudden you're boxing royalty, is all the rage nowadays.

If these old fighters want to get back in the ring and earn a little money under the "Exhibition" tag than so be it. As long as they don't try and earn a title shot off it I don't see a problem with it. Who am I? Who is you off all people? Or who is anybody really to tell them what they can or can't do?

I personally loved seeing Tyson back in the ring. I ain't trying to see him there with Wilder or Joshua. But Holyfield? Briggs? Hell yeah

Nope. Some of the blatant "legitimate" mismatches we excuse now are much worse than old grey greats chasing shadows of glory and a buck. Is this triller going hard for Jones Jr now that Tyson has called them out ;D. Boxing has always had spectacles. If it wasn't Ketchel going off script with Johnson it was an mma fighter turn novice boxer for Mayweather or Foreman stomping out 5 no hoper journeymen one night in Ontario. If there's a legit geezer league on to itself than so be it but McCroy doesn't belong anywhere near a ring taking any form of a punch.

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If these old fighters want to get back in the ring and earn a little money under the "Exhibition" tag than so be it. As long as they don't try and earn a title shot off it I don't see a problem with it. Who am I? Who is you off all people? Or who is anybody really to tell them what they can or can't do?

I personally loved seeing Tyson back in the ring. I ain't trying to see him there with Wilder or Joshua. But Holyfield? Briggs? Hell yeah

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You'll see by my comments I didn't dump on Tyson. Mostly on Roy. Post fight Tyson was jovial... said he was happy with a "draw." Paunchy Roy on the other hand said "Hell no... I don't do draws. I thought I did enough boxing on the outside to edge it out." :rolleyes:

If Tyson wants to more exhibitions, all the more power to him. He looked in better shape than Roy (being older than him)... and his effort was credible. Jones not so much.

If you're gonna do exhibitions... go ahead. Just don't try and dress it up like a real fight (with judges instructed to give out draws so as to not to hurt anyone's feelings). Call it what it is.

Oh you'll love this then...Anderson Silva v the one who just could never measure up, Julio C. Chavez Jr ;D;D. It get's better, Chavez Sr v Hector Camacho Jr (see Chavez Jr) in an exhibition. Personally I think they slipped up. I may actually pay to see Chavez Jr fight his Dad and take another certain L.

Juan Manuel Marquez to come out of retirement aged 47 and face Miguel Cotto, 40, in huge exhibition fight on 12 June

JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ and Miguel Cotto will be the latest names to dust off the gloves and step back inside the ring.

The former four-division champions are set to come out of retirement to meet in an exhibition bout on June 12.

According to BoxingScene.com, a location has yet to be determined but both parties have accepted the deal and an official announcement is expected to be made in the coming days.

Marquez, 47, officially retired in 2014 following an illustrious career that spanned over 20 years.

Known for his toughness, the Mexican has a record of 56 wins, seven losses and one draw.

He fought the legendary Manny Pacquiao on four occasions, winning one, losing two and drawing the other.

Cotto, 40, is the first Puerto Rican to win world titles in four different weight classes.

He retired in 2017 following a record of 41 wins and six losses.

The pair will join a growing list of boxing legends who have stepped out of retirement and made sensational returns to the ring.

Most notably, Mike Tyson fought Roy Jones Jr in November in a fight that notched up over 1.6million pay-per-view buys.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/boxin...-miguel-cotto/

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If these old fighters want to get back in the ring and earn a little money under the "Exhibition" tag than so be it. As long as they don't try and earn a title shot off it I don't see a problem with it. Who am I? Who is you off all people? Or who is anybody really to tell them what they can or can't do?

I personally loved seeing Tyson back in the ring. I ain't trying to see him there with Wilder or Joshua. But Holyfield? Briggs? Hell yeah

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You'll see by my comments I didn't dump on Tyson. Mostly on Roy. Post fight Tyson was jovial... said he was happy with a "draw." Paunchy Roy on the other hand said "Hell no... I don't do draws. I thought I did enough boxing on the outside to edge it out." :rolleyes:

If Tyson wants to more exhibitions, all the more power to him. He looked in better shape than Roy (being older than him)... and his effort was credible. Jones not so much.

If you're gonna do exhibitions... go ahead. Just don't try and dress it up like a real fight (with judges instructed to give out draws so as to not to hurt anyone's feelings). Call it what it is.

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Let me guess. Now that Cotto is taking part in one it's no longer a problem, right?

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If these old fighters want to get back in the ring and earn a little money under the "Exhibition" tag than so be it. As long as they don't try and earn a title shot off it I don't see a problem with it. Who am I? Who is you off all people? Or who is anybody really to tell them what they can or can't do?

I personally loved seeing Tyson back in the ring. I ain't trying to see him there with Wilder or Joshua. But Holyfield? Briggs? Hell yeah

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You'll see by my comments I didn't dump on Tyson. Mostly on Roy. Post fight Tyson was jovial... said he was happy with a "draw." Paunchy Roy on the other hand said "Hell no... I don't do draws. I thought I did enough boxing on the outside to edge it out." :rolleyes:

If Tyson wants to more exhibitions, all the more power to him. He looked in better shape than Roy (being older than him)... and his effort was credible. Jones not so much.

If you're gonna do exhibitions... go ahead. Just don't try and dress it up like a real fight (with judges instructed to give out draws so as to not to hurt anyone's feelings). Call it what it is.

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Let me guess. Now that Cotto is taking part in one it's no longer a problem, right?

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I don't particularly care to see Cotto back in the ring again... but that's not really the point here.

The point here is that if you're attempting a second career as a professional "guesser"..... maybe you should keep your day job.

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If these old fighters want to get back in the ring and earn a little money under the "Exhibition" tag than so be it. As long as they don't try and earn a title shot off it I don't see a problem with it. Who am I? Who is you off all people? Or who is anybody really to tell them what they can or can't do?

I personally loved seeing Tyson back in the ring. I ain't trying to see him there with Wilder or Joshua. But Holyfield? Briggs? Hell yeah

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You'll see by my comments I didn't dump on Tyson. Mostly on Roy. Post fight Tyson was jovial... said he was happy with a "draw." Paunchy Roy on the other hand said "Hell no... I don't do draws. I thought I did enough boxing on the outside to edge it out." :rolleyes:

If Tyson wants to more exhibitions, all the more power to him. He looked in better shape than Roy (being older than him)... and his effort was credible. Jones not so much.

If you're gonna do exhibitions... go ahead. Just don't try and dress it up like a real fight (with judges instructed to give out draws so as to not to hurt anyone's feelings). Call it what it is.

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Let me guess. Now that Cotto is taking part in one it's no longer a problem, right?

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I don't particularly care to see Cotto back in the ring again... but that's not really the point here.

The point here is that if you're attempting a second career as a professional "guesser"..... maybe you should keep your day job.

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It's not really guessing when you can see right through somebody. You might as well be a window as transparent as you are

What next Riddick Bowe vs Buster Douglas? :vd::vd:

Why don't we just wheelchair some mofos in the ring -I can see Evander wheel-buttin' the hell out everyone.

On a serious note- this wouldn't have happened (dare I play the age card:() in any previous era, because fights were made often. These young fighters have totally given in to the concept of twitter wars & chasing PPV numbers as opposed to chasing the crowned glory of being known as a champ who cleaned out their division.

When was the last time we heard a boxer state their goal is to clean out their division?:confused:


They and their promoters created this void for the geriatric league.

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If these old fighters want to get back in the ring and earn a little money under the "Exhibition" tag than so be it. As long as they don't try and earn a title shot off it I don't see a problem with it. Who am I? Who is you off all people? Or who is anybody really to tell them what they can or can't do?

I personally loved seeing Tyson back in the ring. I ain't trying to see him there with Wilder or Joshua. But Holyfield? Briggs? Hell yeah

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You'll see by my comments I didn't dump on Tyson. Mostly on Roy. Post fight Tyson was jovial... said he was happy with a "draw." Paunchy Roy on the other hand said "Hell no... I don't do draws. I thought I did enough boxing on the outside to edge it out." :rolleyes:

If Tyson wants to more exhibitions, all the more power to him. He looked in better shape than Roy (being older than him)... and his effort was credible. Jones not so much.

If you're gonna do exhibitions... go ahead. Just don't try and dress it up like a real fight (with judges instructed to give out draws so as to not to hurt anyone's feelings). Call it what it is.

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Let me guess. Now that Cotto is taking part in one it's no longer a problem, right?

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I don't particularly care to see Cotto back in the ring again... but that's not really the point here.

The point here is that if you're attempting a second career as a professional "guesser"..... maybe you should keep your day job.

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It's not really guessing when you can see right through somebody. You might as well be a window as transparent as you are

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Make up your mind. First you say "Let me guess"..... and then you say "It's not really guessing."

Then you accuse me of being transparent?

I think you're barking up the wrong tree.

Tyson can impress me by taking on one of his conquerers.

But again I think these old dudes see a hole in today's era. If the young guns were fighting each other, we wouldn't even notice these old geezers, let alone have discussions on who they should fight.

Boxing's the only sport in the world where fans can resemble junkies. Give us shady fight judges decisions... we moan and groan but little else. Throw us a bone with laughable PPV matchups... we gladly lap it up. Glorify and forgive ducking and cherry-picking by our matinee idols... we justify it and argue amongst ourselves. Begin a new era of Medicare Boxing... we jump and down with glee. No one adapts to perpetually "bar-lowering" in their sport like boxing fans. Let's face it... we're pathetic.

Having a fight with myself. To not give a like to the post above. How does one like a post like that...damn...it's true, but to admit it....

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Having a fight with myself. To not give a like to the post above. How does one like a post like that...damn...it's true, but to admit it....

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Think that is spot on when it comes to many of todays 'stars' giving up the ground and just caught up in too much BS and food fights. Yesterdays names still grab the ears and attention. Given the circumstances of the last year+ some of it is to be expected, delays, limitations and promoters keeping their powder dry until things "normalize" and butts fill seats etc. But it started before covid. This mentality of self anointment and entitlement with young guns having smoke blown up their arses and running careers like the strongest match ups are just an afterthought and rare exception. Arguably the #1..maybe #2..guy today is needing to talk up a showdown with greats from another era in the hopes of using it going forward rather than sorting out a pretty deep but stagnate 147 division. I don't mind some former top fighters having an attraction and keeping 'exhibition' in perspective. And really the circus/celebrity stuff isn't new. Shat I remember Sticky Fingaz getting belted by a pro skater around on Mtv but no one tried to legitimize it and make a record out of it ;D. I've never been able to listen to Bacdafucup quite the same. But it only took a few cycles to now see these former pro displays fall into the very same rankle that makes fans wince at the 'real' boxing today. Fans may have perked up for a Rocky like after the credits role version of Marco A. Barrera v Erik Morales given their history and legend in the sport...but last I saw Morales had to pull out and some good ol promoter plans to do the whole last minute TBA sub in the form of Barrera v Soto Karass. Who was actually fighting just 2 years ago :cwm13:. Surely boxing owes more to Barrera. I just don't give this retro what's old is new fad long before it fades.

It's money. The profusion and success of various streaming platforms mean that Floyd can make millions fighting some youtube idiot. This youtube fucker who I would guess has zero boxing ability based on a couple of circus show fights is currently one of the biggest earners in boxing with the ability to make far more money per fight than most world champions. Tyson and Holyfield are about to make millions. You can't blame fighters for seeing if they can make millions for a glorified sparring session.

Of COURSE it's money.

Then again.........


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Of COURSE it's money.

Then again.........


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I am going to get a seat and have some popcorn and a coke while waiting to see who uses that machine, figuratively, that is. Great thought not to be ignored!

The problem for JMM and Cotto is they don't have any celebrity outside of boxing fans and they were never legendary level boxers and haven't even been retired all that long. JCC Senior will have interest in Mexico and the Mexican diaspora in America but I have no idea what JMM and Cotto think they're doing. They'd be better off fighting some youtube or instagram idiot.

I too would love to see JCC Senior batter his son. I bet he's wanted to do it for years. I'd pay for that fight.

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I too would love to see JCC Senior batter his son. I bet he's wanted to do it for years. I'd pay for that fight.

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LMFAO!! You and me both. ;D

Mike Tyson showcases his power in wrestling ring while he waits for Evander Holyfield fight

Mike Tyson throws a wrestler to the canvas and unloads punches after storming the ring at an All Elite Wrestling event; the former world heavyweight champion is set to face Evander Holyfield in exhibition bout

Mike Tyson displayed his renowned power in a surprise appearance at a wrestling event while he waits for an expected exhibition bout with Evander Holyfield.

The former world heavyweight champion wants to renew his rivalry with Holyfield, who defeated him twice, but instead showed off his strength after storming the ring at an All Elite Wrestling show.

Tyson, famously nicknamed as 'The Baddest Man on the Planet', ripped off his T-shirt before unloading a flurry of punches, then dumped wrestler Shawn Spears on the canvas.

The 54-year-old then flexed his muscles before embracing Chris Jericho, who had been floored by Tyson when they previously shared the ring at a past wrestling event.

Tyson has publicly listed a three-man shortlist of preferred opponents for exhibition fights, topped by Holyfield, which also includes another former rival, Lennox Lewis, and current WBC champion Tyson Fury.

Holyfield has stated his desire to trade more punches with Tyson, stating in December: "No more excuses. This is the fight that must happen for both our legacies.

"Saturday night you said you were ready to fight me, so sign the contract and get in the ring, Tyson. The world is waiting and it's on you now. I'm ready."

Tyson was held to a draw by Roy Jones Jr when they both showcased their skills last November.

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/new...olyfield-fight

"Tyson was held to a draw by Roy Jones Jr when they both showcased their skills last November." :vd:


What an unfortunate choice of words....

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The problem for JMM and Cotto is they don't have any celebrity outside of boxing fans and they were never legendary level boxers and haven't even been retired all that long. JCC Senior will have interest in Mexico and the Mexican diaspora in America but I have no idea what JMM and Cotto think they're doing. They'd be better off fighting some youtube or instagram idiot.

I too would love to see JCC Senior batter his son. I bet he's wanted to do it for years. I'd pay for that fight.

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Dunno I think the two managed to cross over more than many in recent times. If they manage to land this in NY or Fla while it coincides with both areas on the 're open' phase and fans in seats this could do very well and neeeever underestimate the draw of the ever present Mexico-Puerto Rico rivalry. I'll go out on a limb ;D. If the June date holds and this spectacle comes off I bet it runs even if not tops the scheduled Shakur Stevenson same night fight v Some Random unknown cat from Nambia over on Espn. Talk about timing. Hey at least the 'great' ol geezers are going head to head with young divas for ratings.

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The problem for JMM and Cotto is they don't have any celebrity outside of boxing fans and they were never legendary level boxers and haven't even been retired all that long. JCC Senior will have interest in Mexico and the Mexican diaspora in America but I have no idea what JMM and Cotto think they're doing. They'd be better off fighting some youtube or instagram idiot.

I too would love to see JCC Senior batter his son. I bet he's wanted to do it for years. I'd pay for that fight.

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Dunno I think the two managed to cross over more than many in recent times. If they manage to land this in NY or Fla while it coincides with both areas on the 're open' phase and fans in seats this could do very well and neeeever underestimate the draw of the ever present Mexico-Puerto Rico rivalry. I'll go out on a limb ;D. If the June date holds and this spectacle comes off I bet it runs even if not tops the scheduled Shakur Stevenson same night fight v Some Random unknown cat from Nambia over on Espn. Talk about timing. Hey at least the 'great' ol geezers are going head to head with young divas for ratings.

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Mexico against Puerto Rico I would agree with. They'll get boxing fans who can still find a way as seeing this as remotely meaningful. And they'll benefit from the fact that they don't have to gwt paid by a promoter, they're making a split with a platform who will be giving them a sweetheart deal because they help build the platform's brand. But still. Glorified exhibitions purporting to be serious fights need a lot of mug punters to buy them. Due to a lack of youtube/internet celebrity involvement or any other kind of buzz they only have boxing fans who know how relevant this actually is. I can't see it being a raging success.

el chino maidana is fighting again in march. supposed to be a sanctioned boxing fight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doCw7tN_07E

maravilla looked so slow yesterday

I've told you before and I'll tell you again, bring back Joe Bugner!!!!!