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Oscar Valdez vs Robson Conceicao
Tony Bellew has blasted the US commissioners who have ruled that Oscar Valdez vs Robson Conceicao can proceed as planned this weekend.
It was revealed last week that the WBC super-featherweight champion tested positive for phentermine – a central-nervous stimulant.
His team have insisted that the Mexican did not knowingly ingest the substance ahead of his defence against Robson Conceicao on September 10 and claim to believe it came from “an herbal tea”.
Phentermine is on the VADA banned list, but VADA merely collect the samples and report test results. They do not enforce rulings, this is the job of the various boxing commissions.
Some commissions adhere to the VADA banned list when ruling on such matters, but others follow the WADA code.
Under the WADA code, phentermine is only banned ‘in competition’ – and the ‘in competition’ period only begins on fight day itself.
As such, the local commission in this instance have cleared Valdez to fight regardless of the positive test.
Bellew told iFL TV: “It’s a f***ing disgrace that the fight’s going ahead. And what the f***’s gonna go on if that boy gets hurt?
“Someone tell me – if Robson Conceicao gets hurt, people are going to jail, they’ve gotta go to jail. Do not let this fight happen.
“That athletic commission, I can’t even pronounce the name of it, they’ve approved this fight when a man has had an A and a B sample come in, and they’re both reading the same thing…
“It’s insane. If Robson Conceicao gets hurt in that fight, that could be the end of boxing.
“That’s how bad it is, boxing could be forced underground.”
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/9...-oscar-valdez/
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GUIDANCE Oscar Valdez reveals what Canelo Alvarez told him after hearing he tested positive for phentermine
Oscar Valdez has revealed that Canelo Alvarez reassured him ‘everything’s gonna be alright’ after his positive drugs test was revealed last week.
The WBC super-featherweight champion tested positive for phentermine – a central-nervous stimulant.
His team have insisted that the Mexican did not knowingly ingest the substance ahead of his defence against Robson Conceicao on September 10 and claim to believe it came from “an herbal tea”.
Phentermine is on the VADA banned list, but VADA merely collect the samples and report test results. They do not enforce rulings – this is the job of the various boxing commissions.
Some US commissions adhere to the VADA banned list when ruling on such matters, but others follow the WADA code.
Under the WADA code, phentermine is only banned ‘in competition’ – and the ‘in competition’ period only begins on fight day itself.
As such, the local commission in this instance have cleared Valdez to fight regardless of the positive test.
Valdez achieved a career-best win back in February as he knocked out long-reigning champion Miguel Berchelt to become a two-weight king.
Now, some boxers across the sport are not only raising questions about him, but his camp, too.
Valdez is part of Reynoso’s ‘Canelo Team’ – widely considered one of the greatest stables in boxing today.
Reynoso is thought to be the frontrunner for Trainer of the Year in 2021 having not only guided Valdez to a stunning win, but also trained Ryan Garcia, Andy Ruiz Jr and boxing’s pound-for-pound king Canelo himself.
Back in 2018, Canelo received a six-month ban after testing positive for clenbuterol and had to postpone his rematch with Gennady Golovkin as a result.
He always insisted this test result was due to contaminated meat in Mexico.
A year later, WADA recognised the issue in Mexico and so raised the allowable threshold.
The WBC subsequently put out a statement insisting that this was “confirmation of the innocence” of Canelo.
Regardless, in some quarters the damage was already done in terms of the reputation of Reynoso’s gym.
Now, two years later, the situation with Valdez has reignited such talk and he has revealed that Canelo even gave him words of comfort on the day he was told he tested positive.
Valdez told ESPN: “We didn’t talk much, just that same day, everybody saw my face when they told me I came back positive.
“Everybody felt that you know.
“And I immediately, we immediately stopped training and everybody saw my disappointment. I was in shock.
“He just walks up to me and tells me, ‘Everything’s gonna be alright, the truth is gonna come out. You know, don’t worry. We all know the way you work, the way you train, we all know that you’re a clean fighter.'”
Regarding the perception of his camp, Valdez added: “It’s unfair for everybody. For everybody in the gym.
“It’s very unfair for someone like Andy Ruiz. Very unfair for somebody like Ryan Garcia.
“My name will never be 100 per cent clear because a lot of people out there will always use that against me.
“Maybe because they don’t like me or maybe because they truly do believe that I’m trying to cheat. Or whatever the reasons are.
“They’re always gonna say, ‘Yeah, he cheated.'”
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/9...alvarez-drugs/
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robson already got beat by luis
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Oscar Valdez denies cheating and offers theory for "humiliating" positive drugs test
Oscar Valdez has claimed that herbal tea may be the reason that he tested positive for a banned substance ahead of his fight this weekend.
The super featherweight champion tested positive for the banned substance phentermine during a pre-fight test administered by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA) ahead of his bout with Robson Conceicao this weekend.
But despite the positive test, the Pascua Yaqui Tribe Athletic Commission who are sanctioning the bout at the Casino Del Sol in Tucson, Arizona, will allow the world title fight to continue.
And Valdez has claimed that the drug, which is not banned out-of-competition, may have entered his system through, bizarrely, his change in beverage choice.
"We've literally never done anything different as far as taking other supplements," Valdez told ESPN.
"You know, very simple supplements -- vitamin C, vitamin B12 and all those normal vitamins that everybody should take.
"The only difference is that I've taken herbal tea. That's the reason why I would think that could possibly be, but I'm still not 100 per cent how that got into my body.
"I gave up coffee a while back and I started taking more herbal teas.
"And just trying different types of teas was the only difference that I've done in this training camp, and that's one of the reasons why I think that's possibly it."
The unbeaten fighter has claimed that he has never knowingly induced any substances, and believes the herbal teas, which he stopped drinking last month to make sure that he was not taking in any substance.
"What I can say is that I'm a 100% clean fighter," he explained. I don't know how that got into my body.
"I know every fighter is responsible for whatever they consume, but on behalf of myself, I have no clear answer on how that got into my body.
"I've always considered myself, and I will always be a clean fighter.
"So, I don't know how that got into my body."
And he has implored Conceicao to fight him, saying that the substance won't impact his performance in the fight.
Phentermine is generally used for weight loss, and requires a prescription for use, which Valdez has promised that he hasn't had ahead of the fight.
"If I was him I would 100% fight me," he continued.
"Because this is a chance to win a world title, and if I'm being more honest, I would think, 'What is he taking? Oh, he's taking this substance to lose weight?
"'Oh, well that's a pretty dumb move because he's losing weight way too early from the fight. So it means he might be drained or overtraining, I don't know.'"
Phentermine is an amphetamine and a DEA controlled substance, and the bout will still take place on Friday night as initially planned, with Junto Nakatani facing Angek Acosta for the world flyweight title on the undercard.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...cid=entnewsntp
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Re: Oscar Valdez vs Robson Conceicao
Had Valdez one of my top 5 favs not to long ago but this isn't good and can't be normalized or winked away on a technicality. The thing today is to say "well they all do it now" but rules is rules. Fighter should be penalized and put on the bench, and keep track of the company you keep Oscar :-X. Won't lie though probably end up watching the fight :p
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Timothy Bradley recently said that he hopes Oscar Valdez gets knocked out in light of the news he tested positive for a banned substance yet will be allowed to fight Robson Conceicao on Friday in Tucson, Arizona. I won’t go that far but I know where he’s coming from.
And I have similar feelings toward the Pascua Yaqui Tribal Athletic Commission and the World Boxing Council, which are overseeing the card at Casino Del Sol in Tucson, Ariz.
Valdez last week tested positive – both his “A” and “B” samples – for the weight-loss medication phentermine, which is also a stimulant. The drug is banned by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association, the organization Valdez asked to do his testing.
The appropriate course of action after a blatant violation of the rules? Valdez is removed from the card, stripped of his title and suspended by the WBC, whose junior lightweight belt Valdez owns.
The Commission and sanctioning body had different ideas, which resulted in no punishment.
The former announced that it adheres to the rules of the World Anti-Doping Agency, not that of the more-stringent VADA. WADA bans phentermine only during its in-competition period, beginning at 11:59 a.m. the day before the scheduled event.
The fact the commission is on a different page from the sanctioning body and the fighters themselves is odd to say the least.
Meanwhile, WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman said that Valdez would have no advantage over Conceicao because phentermine isn’t a performance-enhancing drug, a contention that BALCO founder and noted PED expert Victor Conte believes is hogwash.
“You know why it’s a performance-enhancing drug? Because it’s a central nervous stimulant,” he told ESPN. “It accelerates your heart rate. It gives you energy. It gives you endurance. It gives you stamina. It makes it easier to breathe. Your training time to exhaustion would be much longer.”
No advantage? Yeah, right.
Even you believe that Conte is wrong, the fact is Valdez tested positive for a drug that was on VADA’s list of banned substances. It’s an obvious violation. And, again, everyone (except the commission) agreed to work with VADA, which partners with Sulaiman in his WBC Clean Boxing Program. You can’t change the rules midstream to suit your needs, at least not without taking a major hit to your reputation.
Of course, Valdez denied knowingly ingesting the drug. Ignore that. They all play ignorant.
The fact is he’s a drug cheat who shouldn’t be allowed to step through the ropes on Friday night. And both the commission and WBC decided to ignore that fact. In doing so, they failed to fulfil their responsibilities. I can’t provide a reason for their behavior with 100% certainty but you can bet it had something to do with the bottom line. It always does.
As a result, the commission looks horrible. The WBC, already sketchy by its very nature, looks horrible. Everyone associated with the event – except VADA, which did its job – looks horrible. And, sadly, the bleeding doesn’t stop there.
The sport is perpetually under fire as it is, for bad scorecards, deaths in the ring and much more. The last thing it needs are poor decisions that cast doubt (further doubt?) on its ability to prevent doping.
Make no mistake: That’s exactly what the Commission and WBC have done.
https://www.yahoo.com/now/boxing-too...043247163.html
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So the WBC have basically OK'd every fighter who fights for one of their titles to take a performance enhancing drug throughout their training camp. Jesus.
And this is the same team that train Alvarez and had the meat problem right? Unreal. Hopefully the fucker gets splattered tonight.
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Good start to the card. Lopez upsets the house fighter in a one sided beatdown. Smaller guy, short notice against the Top Rank fighter and he wins every round.
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Good job by the Brazilian after two rounds. Landing some heavy shots behind a good fast jab, very athletic, great footwork. I looked at his KO percentage and where he's from and thought he'd be powder puff but the punches sound heavy.
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Nice little undercard for sure. Flores Jr needed that roasting and Lopez had some Great-Value Hamed Kostya thing working well overtime. Nakatani Acosta weird end but all Nakatani after mashing his nose to bits. Probably first time I've agreed with everything Tim has to say there on Valdez getting popped. Oscar looks a bit flat
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Valdez came back into it a little in the third but by the fifth the Brazilian is landing flashy punches and showboating. He's tempting fate with the judges already having to have given a decision against the house fighter, the showboating gives them an excuse to score rounds against him that he won cleanly. He's winning easily though.
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Gave 5th to Conceicao but he's doing more bluffing and selling than actual punching in 6th
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Valdez taking that space back and sitting down now to midsection now. Wo quick point deduct on Conceicao
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Valdez has come back into it from about the sixth round. Might have won every round since then. The ref just took a point from the Brazilian for literally tapping the back of Valdez' head when they come out of a clinch. No warning. He's going to get robbed on the cards no matter what unless he can come back into it and dominate again.
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That point docked was what you refer to as "insurance policy" for a hometown fella :-X
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After I'm not sure how many rounds it was 119 punches landed by the Brazilian to 65 by Valdez. Valdez getting quite marked up, cut under his left eye.
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Valdez lands a significant rabbit runch in the eleventh and the ref wags a finger. No point deduction there. If this was in Brazil he'd lose on the cards.
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Everything about this fight oozes favoritism including prior to the opening bell. Conceicao looked like a sharp top operator for first half but Valdez even a step behind stronger down the stretch. Not a pretty scrap
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Valdez gets a UD. By a couple of rounds on two cards and wider on the third. Cheaters sometimes prosper eh.
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Valdez gets a UD. By a couple of rounds on two cards and wider on the third. Cheaters sometimes prosper eh.
Bit bizarro world listening to these Top rank fluffers run on about Oscars 'hurdles and obstacles he had to overcome' :-X
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Valdez gets a UD. By a couple of rounds on two cards and wider on the third. Cheaters sometimes prosper eh.
Bit bizarro world listening to these Top rank fluffers run on about Oscars 'hurdles and obstacles he had to overcome' :-X
And Valdez crying about all the stuff he had to go through this week. Herbal tea motherfucker.
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the herbal tea did no favors. robson robbed
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So the WBC have basically OK'd every fighter who fights for one of their titles to take a performance enhancing drug throughout their training camp. Jesus.
And this is the same team that train Alvarez and had the meat problem right? Unreal. Hopefully the fucker gets splattered tonight.
Yep.... and y-y-y-yep.
MMA is looking better and better to me.
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Well at least he has been honest. He needs to be suspended, put on some training course and slowly brought back into the game again once he has shown his competency.
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Well at least he has been honest. He needs to be suspended, put on some training course and slowly brought back into the game again once he has shown his competency.
They can't start doing that with boxing judges. Once you start where do you stop? There are worse cards handed in by judges every single week than that one.
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Kirkland Laing
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Kirkland Laing
Well at least he has been honest. He needs to be suspended, put on some training course and slowly brought back into the game again once he has shown his competency.
They can't start doing that with boxing judges. Once you start where do you stop? There are worse cards handed in by judges every single week than that one.
Yes I agree I was being facetious.
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WORLD BOXING COUNCIL JUDGE PREFERS TV SCORING TO RINGSIDE AFTER BAD CARD
Blea cited many factors in his view, pointing all of his worries out in a lengthy open letter.
It comes after Blea scored the Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceicao clash 117-110 to the champion.
He began: “My name is Stephen Blea, and this is an open letter that I have decided to write regarding my scoring from last Friday night in the Valdez vs. Conceicao fight in Tucson, Arizona, on 10 Sept. 21.
“I have been involved in boxing as a ring official both in the amateur and professional fields for more than 30 years. And I have officiated over 60 championship title fights as a judge and referee in several countries of the world. They include Japan, Thailand, Korea, China, Russia, Mexico, and the USA.
Also, I have Judged over 200 fights and Refereed over 500 Pro fights, with no controversy.
“I have watched the fight and thoroughly analyzed it. The 117-110 score is not accurate. It does not represent the actions in the ring, and I feel I have let down my federation, the NABF, my organization, The WBC, and most importantly, our sport and the fighters inside the ring.
“I want to share my thoughts publicly on the specific conclusions I have reached on important topics regarding judging in boxing:
“Close rounds – There were a few very close rounds in this fight. I made two mistakes, 1) not to score 10-10 in 2 rounds, I felt there was not a clear winner, 2) scoring those to the champion, and the benefit in the close actions.
“Crowd noise influence – It was a loud crowd in favor of Valdez. During the first rounds of the fight, some actions took place in a corner where I had limited view. I couldn’t see some punches land by Conceicao. There was no crowd reaction, contrary to when Valdez landed.
“I was also dealing with photographers and camera operators all cramped up. This was due to the location of the Champion Valdez in the red corner to the left of me. (I was between the photographers on the left of me and the camera crew to the right, who sometimes bumped me. They blocked and even stepped on my hands while going across the ring apron towards the Champs corner ).
“Considering these distractions, I honestly thought I would be able to do my Job 100%, no excuses.
“Getting Stuck on one fighter – I awarded three out of the first four rounds to Valdez. This is a combination of the above points I have outlined.
“I have scored the bout on tv and have a 115-112 or even a 114-113 score in favor of Valdez.
“I have decided to reach out to my NABF / WBC ring officials committee to undergo a thorough training and review program. But I will not accept any championship assignments until I complete this process.
“I am an honorable man with profound love, knowledge, and respect for the sport. I’m sorry for having a bad night and having brought unnecessary controversy to such a sensational fight.
– Stephen Blea.
Furthermore, Blea’s narrative fits that of the World Boxing Council President Mauricio Sulaiman, who has been called for noise-canceling headphones for some time now.
Sulaiman is also a champion of scoring bouts outside of the venue to gain a clearer perspective.
Could this become the future?
https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2021...ge-tv-scoring/
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Wow. This guy (Blea) went all out. If only other refs owned up to their shitty decisions and even suggested more training and/or changes to the way judges are located... the sport would be a bit better off than it is now. It takes gumption to come out and say all the things Blea said.
Just like I'm not a fan of watching live fights at ringside... it doesn't seem that's the best location for judges, either. You're looking up into the ring... and your vision can be impaired by any number of factors. Blea explained it very well. Some may think he's making excuses... but he clearly blames himself for a job badly done. He's just naming some factors that could be changed in the future to make for better judging. Heaven knows boxing needs better judging like.... YESTERDAY.
I don't like the Sulaiman Mafia, nor do I believe any of the alphabet orgs are as blatantly bad as the WBC. But if Sulaiman is on board with improving the vantage points of boxing refs... that's a point in his favor.
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Bit weird seeing a judge throw himself on the sword when all the initial uproar was about the WbC sanctioning and allowing it to happen in the first place after Valdez popped. It's like the soft landing Bradley mentioned. Not going all tin-foil hat but there have been a Stateside run of these type of cards..two close scores and one some absurd 117-111 or 118-110. It becomes almost the 'hey quick look over there' card and focus. Put the judges in sound proof slightly elevated chambers, hey it worked for the Dating game and circus dunk-tanks.
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Bit weird seeing a judge throw himself on the sword when all the initial uproar was about the WbC sanctioning and allowing it to happen in the first place after Valdez popped. It's like the soft landing Bradley mentioned. Not going all tin-foil hat but there have been a Stateside run of these type of cards..two close scores and one some absurd 117-111 or 118-110. It becomes almost the 'hey quick look over there' card and focus. Put the judges in sound proof slightly elevated chambers, hey it worked for the Dating game and circus dunk-tanks.
Why... you devious, sneaky dog... you. :D
Hadn't thought about that particular spin... good job.
Yeah, sort of a "diversion tactic", if you will. Take the attention off the real issue, in a brilliantly arranged sequence of events.
(By the way, I'm not being facetious here. I honestly think you've made a very good, feasible point. How else to explain the odd Harakiri performed by the judge.)
Whatever the case might be, I wouldn't put anything past the WBC.
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Bit weird seeing a judge throw himself on the sword when all the initial uproar was about the WbC sanctioning and allowing it to happen in the first place after Valdez popped. It's like the soft landing Bradley mentioned. Not going all tin-foil hat but there have been a Stateside run of these type of cards..two close scores and one some absurd 117-111 or 118-110. It becomes almost the 'hey quick look over there' card and focus. Put the judges in sound proof slightly elevated chambers, hey it worked for the Dating game and circus dunk-tanks.
Why... you devious, sneaky dog... you. :D
Hadn't thought about that particular spin... good job.
Yeah, sort of a "diversion tactic", if you will. Take the attention off the real issue, in a brilliantly arranged sequence of events.
(By the way, I'm not being facetious here. I honestly think you've made a very good, feasible point. How else to explain the odd Harakiri performed by the judge.)
Whatever the case might be, I wouldn't put anything past the WBC.
Guess sport can be rife with cynicism when it comes to transparency and the sanctioning bodies. The W.e B.e C.omplicit talks from both side of it's mouth. So he stands tall and goes after the Promoter and the seating arrangements ???. But only after the fact. Maybe -key- officials should visit the arena similar to camps and fighters to see the layout prior to the bell. Or maybe once there speak up before judging through blind angles and 'obscured corners'. Hey I'm saying he's not sincere and respect the fact that he asks for retraining and no more assignments until such time but it just smells a bit. And to say he watched it on TV and commentary and then had it much closer..huh?! Every time I hear someone rescore a 'controversial' fight what's the first thing they say..I watched it muted as to not be influenced. Certainly wonder what Sulaiman has to say about his appointed official being in a compromised situation, but not a peep. Served his purpose and saves the chatter that the wbc and El Heffe approved and allowed a twice positive for banned substance star to compete and fill their pockets.
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Spicoli
Bit weird seeing a judge throw himself on the sword when all the initial uproar was about the WbC sanctioning and allowing it to happen in the first place after Valdez popped. It's like the soft landing Bradley mentioned. Not going all tin-foil hat but there have been a Stateside run of these type of cards..two close scores and one some absurd 117-111 or 118-110. It becomes almost the 'hey quick look over there' card and focus. Put the judges in sound proof slightly elevated chambers, hey it worked for the Dating game and circus dunk-tanks.
Why... you devious, sneaky dog... you. :D
Hadn't thought about that particular spin... good job.
Yeah, sort of a "diversion tactic", if you will. Take the attention off the real issue, in a brilliantly arranged sequence of events.
(By the way, I'm not being facetious here. I honestly think you've made a very good, feasible point. How else to explain the odd Harakiri performed by the judge.)
Whatever the case might be, I wouldn't put anything past the WBC.
Guess sport can be rife with cynicism when it comes to transparency and the sanctioning bodies. The W.e B.e C.omplicit talks from both side of it's mouth. So he stands tall and goes after the Promoter and the seating arrangements ???. But only after the fact. Maybe -key- officials should visit the arena similar to camps and fighters to see the layout prior to the bell. Or maybe once there speak up before judging through blind angles and 'obscured corners'. Hey I'm saying he's not sincere and respect the fact that he asks for retraining and no more assignments until such time but it just smells a bit. And to say he watched it on TV and commentary and then had it much closer..huh?! Every time I hear someone rescore a 'controversial' fight what's the first thing they say..I watched it muted as to not be influenced. Certainly wonder what Sulaiman has to say about his appointed official being in a compromised situation, but not a peep. Served his purpose and saves the chatter that the wbc and El Heffe approved and allowed a twice positive for banned substance star to compete and fill their pockets.
Our cynical minds, sharpened by too many shenanigans around boxing orgs, could easily see the judge as a sacrificial lamb for the "greater good." A behind-the-scenes "attaboy" pat on the back... and Mission Accomplished. Attention diverted.
It's too bad the sport we love so much is wrapped up in so much lack of credibility. Hence my long-standing opinion that we're just a bunch of masochists.
