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I mean really, this poor guy was the laughing stock of boxing for so long after Kostya made a fool of him,(and film is forever, so that will be there for the world to see for eternity), he get's beat down in his own backyard by a no-name, and in the biggest fight of his career, loses, again. But what broke my heart more than anything was this photo. Zab looks like a young man with broken dreams. How cruel this world can be :'(
http://www.ufcfightnews.com/04-sworn...-judah5242.jpg
Fvck'em
He brought it on himself... Everything.
i wouldn't cry about it, but this was the reason why i wanted him to win....Quote:
Originally Posted by smashcrusher
Everyone has hopes, expectations and dreams....Zab is human after all, he'll have to show great integrity to come back. But that is life, and i can only hope the best for him.
Um.. Judah didn't disgrace himself in any way and gave Floyd his 2nd toughest fight to date. This fight helped Zab actually.
Couldn't disagree with you or Sal more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
Judah is a disgrace. That whole mess was intentional...you know it...I know it...the majority of the world knows it.
Even his fans in the arena that night saw the replay & new that was out of frustration & 100% intentional.
No, I DON'T know it. because I didn't see it the same way you did and I never will. And it's not because I'm a Judah fan either. But I will disagree with you forever that everything was intentional and you blasting Judah for something every fighter has done. Do you say "fuck Bernard" for what he did against William Bo James? Did I? No I didn't because I know what it's like to be in the flow of boxing and in a zone so I will never ever see it that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
Come on now! Zab's speed is the only thing that helped him. Yes he won 3 of the first 4, but Floyd dominated 5-11, crushing him to the body, and taking his heart. Zab tried to fluster Floyd because he couldn't take it, then he was about to be dropped, and resorts to some bullshat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
I give Zab credit, but this wasn't a tough fight for Floyd at all. If they rematch, ZAB WILL BE KOD.
Zab didn't help himself, simply because, when he was getting hurt, he showed how little class he has, and can't hang with the big dogs.
I don't know if Floyd would ko Judah in a second fight or it would be similar to the first except Floyd would dominate more rounds simply because of what happened in the Taylor-Hopkins II fight... I thought Hopkins had Taylor figured out, but Taylor was more skilled than we outside the ring give him credit for, and same with Judah.
i agree. he fouled floyd and then everything exploded. if roger hadn't jumped in the ring then there would have been a warning given to zab, maybe points taken, and then zab woulda got knocked out in the 11th. and lets admit it he would been KOd. it was a tough fight, but castillo gave much more trouble than zab. castillo made floyd run all night. mayweather pretty much took judah's best and delivered his own with ease.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
There was no flow there Starr...he was getting his ass handed to him & he did the only thing that he knew to do...he took aim & he tagged Floyd in the balls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
It wasn't a slip up...he knew what was happening & if Judah's as great as you say he is...he knew a whole lot better than to nail Floyd in the back of the head after hitting him in the balls.
Also...do you honestly want to sit here & compare Zab Judah & Bernard Hopkins? Come on now.
I think what Bernard did would deserve more attention. Knocking James down against the ropes and then when the ref steps in between you to count hitting James multiple times and giving him the 'suck it' sign would merit it more to me then anything Zab did.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
do you hold bernard in high esteem? hes a gutless bum if there ever was. i've never seen such a dirty fighter get so much praise. if he didn't keep winning then he would be villified just like judah. judah just threw a few illegal punches. i've seen lotsa guys do that--remember tito/vargas, how many deliberate lows did tito throw? how many times has bernard deliberately gone after people's hips, and sneaky lows blows against the ropes, when the ref is on the other side? mayorga...no comment. zab did the best he could, and cracked after being dominated. its not admirable, but understandable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
Everybody loves tito though. thats the difference. It won't be made as such a big deal. if Zab had done exactly what tito did, then people wouldn't give tito credit for knocking out Mayorga. I saw Tito Vargas again yesterday and Jim Lampley is all FOR Tito even with the low blows. but Judah throws one low blow and Jim Lampley says it's the most classless thing he's ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete shonan
Honestly I can't say that I'm very sorry for him, although his post-fight statement giving thanks to "his lord and savior" Jesus Christ seemed way out of place, almost pathetic. Most of the fighters that espouse to being a Christian behave in a more gentlemanly manner both inside and outside the ring. Furthermore, to my knowledge, Zab Judah is Jewish, which is quite rare for a person of African heritage. There are Jews who espouse to being followers of Jesus but there aren't many of them. They're called messianic Jews. Maybe Zab and his father Yoel are? I don't know but Zab seems like a confused young man for sure.
Feel sorry for him, your kiddin right? I don't feel one bit sorry for Zab, I feel bad that Floyd didn't put his low blow, rabbit punching bitch ass to sleep, I mean Zab looked o.k for first 4 rds, but everybody knows that championship fights are much longer than 4 rds, and the cream always rises to the top. The low blow was DELIBERATE, I had watched it several times since, I mean Zab was actually looking at his nuts as he threw the punch, then he rabbit punches PBF, AND THEN TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY, HE THREW A 3RD PUNCH THAT MISSED. Zab was wearing down and on his way to getting stopped, everybody could see that, then Zab outta fustration fouled PBF, uncle Rog was wrong, but so was Joel Judah who threw the 1st punch then Zab ran around the back of PBF's advisor and stole him and it did'nt even drop him. But the long interruption only help Zab, because he was ready to go, no question about it. As far as Joel Judah is concerned, he belongs in the same class as Norman Stone.
Trinidad-vargas ;)
You want to diss Trinidad now? or will you double standard?
ive never seen ANY fighter catch this much heat for a foul intentional or notQuote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
this is getting to be ludacrisp 8)
He's got to show a lot more decency before I feel sorry for him. There's nothing wrong with boxers being brash and it's got to be necessary to manufacture some sort of anger for someone you're committed to spending 40 mins fighting with but his behaviour has always been crass and has alienated a lot of people who might otherwise have supported him.
Roger Mayweather's stupid actions aren't on him though, low blow or no low blow.
Trinidad Vargas
Hatton Tszyu
Anyone want to address this?
why do people seem to think judah should have been dqd?
Since he started tryign to put his hands on the referee after the Tyzu match i lost all respect for him. cant feel compassion for that guy
I've dumped on him enough in the past, and I know you like him so I'm trying not to be a prick, but to me what people are missing is the big picture with Zab. It's not even that Hatton was responding to Tsyzu's lowblows, its that I don't remember a whole lot of classless stuff from those guys besides those incidents. Its more of a pattern with Zab than those guys. And even without the pattern Hatton's caught a lot of shit for the Tsyzu fight, I have no idea what people were saying about Trinidad back then, didn't even know boxing boards existed back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
With Zab its a continuation of past actions, yeah I thought it was a pretty classless move, especially since he followed it with a punch to the back of the head, but its not the biggest deal in the world, especially if it was a stand alone type of thing. Its not, worse was the blatant BS punch in the Baldomir prefight, and much worse than either was the Nady BS after the Tsyzu fight. To me this was a relatively minor incident compared to those two but it's a pattern with Zab. I didn't see the Sample fight so I can't comment on that.
Look, he's not James Butler by any means, but I find it hard to call him a real class act either.
There has been alot of fights with low blows. Tito hit Vargas low, and maybe they were on purpose, but Tito had been going to the body all night, and those were more questionable than Zab's. Plus, Tito was losing some rounds, but wasn't in trouble like Zab. And, Vargas, IMO, purposely thumbed Tito in the eye. Paybacks suck!
Zab's punch wasn't as bad as the shat Derrick Gainer pulled, but looked that way because he had lost 5 rounds straight, and was getting hurt to the body.
I wouldn't DQ Zab for it, but when you're getting beat, and you've only landed a few body shots{mostly to the sides}, it looks kind of obvious that you purposely did it.
Can you name any other incidents when it was DURING ACTION as the fight was going on? And if you bring up Baldomir glove touch up, puh leeze, Camacho Sr. did worse and lost a fight because of it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
i dont think he should have been dqd'ed but a point should have been deducted at least....it was as bad a low blow as ive ever seenQuote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
alot of people are saying "he should be dqd, and what roger did was irrelevant cuz judah was already virtually dqd" or some shit
For the record, being a Floyd fan, if anyone should be DQd, it is Floyd. What Zab did is bullshat, but happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
Regardless of the outcome, Floyd beat him, and it wasn't a fluke.
unless fluke=great fight and better then everyone thought it would be ;)
IMO, was a good try from Judah, and another performance that shows Mayweather can adapt to any style. Yes, alot of people thought Floyd would stop him, I wasn't one. I picked Floyd to win, because I knew he was the smarter fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
It wasn't better than I thought. IMO, Zab came strong, but was clearly outmatched. A blind man could see that.
Zab should definitely have been deducted a point,I mean low AND punch in the back of the head BUT no way a DQ!!!! I respect Zab for his efforts but HELL NO do I feel sorry for him,he had an undeserved shot at the big time, did ok,better than most predicted so what is there to feel sorry for? I feel more sorry for Floyd's balls,I mean that was a full blooded uppercut like blow!!!
Yeah but at least he got penalized, and it was Haugen that refused to touch gloves at the start of the 12th rd, the ref couldn't even force Haugen's glove to touch Camacho's glove , still Camacho was wrong for basically slapping Haugen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
hatton tszyu was obviously intentional, and completely wrong too. he's dirty, no question, and i'm not a big fan. but he did it in response to tszyu hittin him with a low blow, and once ricky did that, he backed off and that was the end of it. he didn't follow it in and try to land cheap shots to the back of tszyu's head, potentially injuring him for life. that's beyond classless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
Watchin it now, Zab put on a great performance...
he has alot left and he isn't shot, no way
I haven't read where very many think Judah should have been disqualified, your making this shit up as you go, stop your f'ing crying, Judah got his ass handing to him except for a few rounds, now take 2 or 3 zanex and go lay down. Your ADDHD is acting up and it's kicking your ass bad. Good Night SALQuote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
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