Mayweather vs Judah...the after thoughts...

My my my...what a difference a day makes.

Well people...here's my opinions on the fight...you can take them or leave them...like em or don't.

Personally...I quite enjoyed the match between Floyd and Judah.

I was pleasantly surprised with Judah's abilities for once & I honestly thought that he took it to Floyd for about the first five rounds...but that's it. I honestly thought that Floyd was showing a bit too much respect with Judah...but then again...this is only Floyd's second showing at 147 & Judah is known to have the ability to crack.

Who am I to make excuses for a man that won? Well...I'm a Floyd fan...& fans generally make excuses for their fighter when he loses...but I honestly want to make some excuses for the win...or the way that Floyd won against Judah...

Personally...I got a wee bit pissed the fwock off about a few things...so let me start:

Firstly...the way that Floyd handled himself in the last round. Sticking his chin out...trying to prove to the world, Judah, & Floyd's detractors that he does have a chin & the ability to take a shot...what the hell was that. He's proved that shat time & time again by getting hit by foes such as Castillo, Corrales, & of late Gatti. It was just plain ignorant. That's my main issue with the fight...

Oh yeah...& then there was the low blow & the riot that insued seconds after Roger Mayweather jumped into the ring.

Second of all...anyone that thinks that Zab Judah is a champion is just deluding their selves. Judah is a piece of trash. He always has been...he always will be. Sorry people but that's a fact. He's a classless bum that is a poor reflection of our sport.

Judah was doing quite well over the first five rounds & then Floyd comes on & starts tagging himself & this idiot starts acting a fool as usual. Waiving his hands & trying to make a spectacle of himself & fluster Floyd...whom...to his credit didn't fall for that bit. Truthfully...I can't understand people that buy into Judah...but then again...I am sure there are those that can't stomach Floyd. No biggie. Actually...I'd be lying if I let it stand at that. What kind of fighter get's frustrated, loads up, takes aim, & nails his opponent in the balls? I mean come on...who does that? He was headed straight for an ass whipping & he tried to bring Floyd down a notch by landing a power punch to the groin. He did that very thing. Again...excuses excuses...but Floyd was about to stop Judah & Judah knew it. Anyone that argues different...again...your'e clearly deluding yourselves. I watched the fight immediately after it stopped on tape. I watched it again this morning...& that was the most well timed...well aimed deliberate nut shot that I have ever seen in the sport of boxing. Do like I did. Kick back & watch the tape. What makes it even worse? An even more deliberate punch to the back of the head that I refuse to call a rabbit punch because he dropped it with such conviction that had he been brandishing a sledge hammer he could have cracked concrete.

I was sickened.

Immediately afterwards...after I was up & out of my compu chair almost spilling my drink...in comes Floyd’s uncle & trainer Roger Mayweather saying god only knows what to Judah. Believe me. I was shocked...but not surprised. Roger's got a hell of a lot of love for Floyd...but that don't make it anymore right than Judah bashing Floyd in the balls. I understand what he did...I honestly can't say that I wouldn't have done the same...but it ruined the fight for me. Truly.It could have ruined the night for Floyd...but Floyd remained composed & that's what counts...but then again...he was not himself & it showed with the remainder of his performance.

My problem is this...a fight of this caliber...this magnitude...with that many viewers...how bad does that make boxing look? As starved as we are for network support...hell for global respect...did we really need that shat?

Not really...no we didn't. All at once...it was shocking, dramatic, enraging, & almost hillarious to me when it happened...but to a first time viewer of Mayweather & all the amazing things that he can do...well...it was just the opposite. My wife had never sat down & watched Floyd. She was impressed with what he did...but when the riot broke out...she was appalled & the first thing that left her mouth pertained to "what a bunch of thuggish clowns those idiots were that came into the ring."

That included everyone from Floyd's corner.

Also...it was a bit hard to explalin to her why they threw Roger out of the arena & not Judah's thug life army that came in directly after Judah's dad popped the first shot off? Everyone's focusing on Roger...but again...watch tape. Judah's camp throws the first blows...Roger's just blowing off steam. Roger actually did nothing more than run his mouth. Someone else from Floyd's corner was in the middle of the ring when the punches got thrown & Zab's ignorant ass was the one that hit first. In the end...they all acted like a bunch of fwockin idiots...but Judah pulled this shat out of frustration & that's what brings me back to my point...the kid is trash. Just trash.

Again...in the end...I was displeased with the way that Floyd fought the rest of the fight...I wanted him to crush Judah...but he did'nt...I'm not so sure that it was that he couldn't...but we will never know.

Anyone that wants a rematch...again....your'e deluding yourselves...Mayweather would beat him again...this time only without the bullshat.

In the end...I thought Judah did well by showing skills...but only for the first 4-5 rounds of the fight...I even applauded him & his fans...but after that...once Floyd started being Floyd...Judah became Judah...& there is nothing "super" about that.

I was honestly thrilled that Floyd did make Judah look ordinary...but honestly...I think that it one of Floyd's worse showings...then again...how can you tell with such a gargantuan amount of stupidity involved?

Again...generally the case with Judah.

Good fight, glad it's over...

I agree with alot that you say Wacko, but Floyd detractors are coming out of the woodwork to come up with excuses.

Zab did good, but showed he's not on the same level.

Rematch? Floyd will make him look stupid.

You know what. Judah made Floyd look ordinary at times too. I'm glad at what you said, but you contradict anything by calling Judah a bum. Look at my thoughts to won't you? And seriously, mayweather "couldn't" crush Judah, he tried in the 12th round and was clocked for trying and then decided to fight the remander of the fight defensively.

It's whatever since I knew your thoughts on it when you said "fuck Judah" Yes he hit Floyd low, yes a riot ensued, yes Roger may have attacked Judah if Steele hadn't stopped him, yes Yoel came in on the acocunt of his son, the same way Roger came in on the account of his nephew, and when someone would square up with your father I would have done what Judah did and attacked him, anyone threatens my father(if he was still here) I AM going to go at him. So I blame Judah for the low blow and the back of the head shot. But it doesn't take away 11 rounds for me. it may for you, and I agree with your points, but THAT doesn't take away 11 rounds for me. And I guess that's what makes our views different. but don't think I'm going to let you get away with calling Judah a bum after the performance he gave.

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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor

I agree with alot that you say Wacko, but Floyd detractors are coming out of the woodwork to come up with excuses.

Zab did good, but showed he's not on the same level.

Rematch? Floyd will make him look stupid.

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Honestly...Floyd just took a bit of time to get cranked up...but Judah was giving him problems.

This goes back to what I always say about Floyd...everyone wants to see him lose so badly that they exaggerate the happenings & outcome of what transpires within the ring.

Floyd beat Judah down like the bitch that he is & in the end...he did something that I am proud of...he truly outclassed Judah.

He was a gentleman...something Judah will never be.

I agree Wacko except about the Floyd sticking the chin out part... I think he was trying to lure in Judah so he could counter him or he wouldn't have dipped under Judah's barrage when Judah actually came in. I think that the fight started shifting at the end of the 4th round when Floyd found the range, and he won after that. I had the fight 115-111 or 116-112 ... second time watching it tough I had it 116-111 because in the first round I felt Mayweather did just as much with his hook at the end as Judah with his cross earlier, and Mayweather threw in a few jabs to make it an even round.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor

I agree with alot that you say Wacko, but Floyd detractors are coming out of the woodwork to come up with excuses.

Zab did good, but showed he's not on the same level.

Rematch? Floyd will make him look stupid.

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Honestly...Floyd just took a bit of time to get cranked up...but Judah was giving him problems.

This goes back to what I always say about Floyd...everyone wants to see him lose so badly that they exaggerate the happenings & outcome of what transpires within the ring.

Floyd beat Judah down like the bitch that he is & in the end...he did something that I am proud of...he truly outclassed Judah.

He was a gentleman...something Judah will never be.

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I didn't think Judah gave Floyd as many problems as Floyd gave Floyd... like why did he use his jab more when their heads were like 2 feet away and Judah had his hands down? He could have connected so many times, and landed more devastating crosses to the body.

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Originally Posted by Starr

You know what. Judah made Floyd look ordinary at times too. I'm glad at what you said, but you contradict anything by calling Judah a bum. Look at my thoughts to won't you? And seriously, mayweather "couldn't" crush Judah, he tried in the 12th round and was clocked for trying and then decided to fight the remander of the fight defensively.

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He did a damned fine job of battering him over the better half of the fight Starr.

What's funny...you often neglect to acknowledge things to further add fuel to the fire of an arguement. I said that Judah did a really good job over the first 4-5 rounds...actually I said it many many times...especially in the RBR...& when I say that Judah is a bum...I mean that he is a bum.

He's a bum & he's a black eye on boxing.

Mayweather got clocked many times by Judah...as I said...but guess what...your boy didn't KO Floyd & he surely didn't maintain his composure or show maturity for the remainder of the night.

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Originally Posted by Starr

It's whatever since I knew your thoughts on it when you said "F*** Judah" Yes he hit Floyd low, yes a riot ensued, yes Roger may have attacked Judah if Steele hadn't stopped him, yes Yoel came in on the acocunt of his son, the same way Roger came in on the account of his nephew, and when someone would square up with your father I would have done what Judah did and attacked him, anyone threatens my father(if he was still here) I AM going to go at him. So I blame Judah for the low blow and the back of the head shot. But it doesn't take away 11 rounds for me. it may for you, and I agree with your points, but THAT doesn't take away 11 rounds for me. And I guess that's what makes our views different. but don't think I'm going to let you get away with calling Judah a bum after the performance he gave.

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Again...you need to look at Judah's image instead of his performance when concerning my thoughts on him.

Sorry...he's a bum.

I think he fought well...but he's a bum...the beauty of it is...it's my opinion...& I got away with it the moment that I posted it...just like you always getting away with your opinions when you post them.

It's nothing personal against you...I just think that he's trash. Always have...always will...he's a waste of a good boxer in my opinion.

Thats where our opinions differ because the things you see Zab as a bum for I see them through different eyes and will have a different opinion, nothing against you but I will give you an arguement if I disagree, you know me well enough to know that :)

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Originally Posted by Starr

Thats where our opinions differ because the things you see Zab as a bum for I see them through different eyes and will have a different opinion, nothing against you but I will give you an arguement if I disagree, you know me well enough to know that :)

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I would expect nothing less...& I know it's nothing against me. ;) :-*

I just have not respect for him. Also...let me say this...Roger Mayweather (love or no love for Floyd) lost a lot of respect Saturday night too...but it'd be hard to argue right or wrong for that type of antic either.

Again...when I say that he's a bum...I don't mean his skill level. I have always thought that he had skills...I just don't respect him as a person.

Yes but wacko. let me ask you to see your views.

You would say Mayweather acted with class by extending to Zab after the incident. but had zab extended to Mayweather first, be honest, would you be giving Zab the same respect? or would you say "He did a punk move and tried to make himself up but it doesn't work." ?

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Originally Posted by Starr

Yes but wacko. let me ask you to see your views.

You would say Mayweather acted with class by extending to Zab after the incident. but had zab extended to Mayweather first, be honest, would you be giving Zab the same respect? or would you say "He did a punk move and tried to make himself up but it doesn't work." ?

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Nope. I don't look at things that way.

Had Judah been apologetic...had it been an accident...had he not hit Floyd behind the head...I'd have been fine...I was pleased with the fight...I was thrilled that Judah was finally proving me wrong...but the shat hit the fan long before the nutshot with me.

When Judah started that clowing mess...it went away for me.

When Floyd pulled that mess at the end of the fight...throwing his chin out & all that shat...again...it went away with me.

You know that I don't dig on that clowning bullshat...I never have...think back to our Augustus arguements/discussions...I just don't dig on it.

Had Floyd have done the same thing that Judah did...I would have been irrate too.

There was no merit to the bullshat...& it was intentional...you see it your way...I see it mine...but right is right & wrong is wrong...& Judah was in the wrong...all the way around.

Judah isn't a bum, but is clearly not on the same level as Floyd, boxing wise, or class wise.

Judah did make Floyd look normal at times, so did Castillo, Corley, and others. That doesn't make him any better.

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Originally Posted by Starr

You know what. Judah made Floyd look ordinary at times too. I'm glad at what you said, but you contradict anything by calling Judah a bum. Look at my thoughts to won't you? And seriously, mayweather "couldn't" crush Judah, he tried in the 12th round and was clocked for trying and then decided to fight the remander of the fight defensively.

It's whatever since I knew your thoughts on it when you said "F*** Judah" Yes he hit Floyd low, yes a riot ensued, yes Roger may have attacked Judah if Steele hadn't stopped him, yes Yoel came in on the acocunt of his son, the same way Roger came in on the account of his nephew, and when someone would square up with your father I would have done what Judah did and attacked him, anyone threatens my father(if he was still here) I AM going to go at him. So I blame Judah for the low blow and the back of the head shot. But it doesn't take away 11 rounds for me. it may for you, and I agree with your points, but THAT doesn't take away 11 rounds for me. And I guess that's what makes our views different. but don't think I'm going to let you get away with calling Judah a bum after the performance he gave.

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you talk like a man.

Let me clarify this for everyone:

My thoughts on Judah: He's a bum of a human being. He's bad for boxing. He's got skills & I was impressed with his performance/output up until his horse shat antics & dirty tactics ruined the fight.

I will continue to think that he is a bum...if you think that the word bum covers waaaaaaay too much ground in boxing...then insert the phrase "piece of trash" in place of the word "bum" & then you will know how I feel...

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Originally Posted by Starr

You know what. Judah made Floyd look ordinary at times too. I'm glad at what you said, but you contradict anything by calling Judah a bum. Look at my thoughts to won't you? And seriously, mayweather "couldn't" crush Judah, he tried in the 12th round and was clocked for trying and then decided to fight the remander of the fight defensively.

It's whatever since I knew your thoughts on it when you said "F*** Judah" Yes he hit Floyd low, yes a riot ensued, yes Roger may have attacked Judah if Steele hadn't stopped him, yes Yoel came in on the acocunt of his son, the same way Roger came in on the account of his nephew, and when someone would square up with your father I would have done what Judah did and attacked him, anyone threatens my father(if he was still here) I AM going to go at him. So I blame Judah for the low blow and the back of the head shot. But it doesn't take away 11 rounds for me. it may for you, and I agree with your points, but THAT doesn't take away 11 rounds for me. And I guess that's what makes our views different. but don't think I'm going to let you get away with calling Judah a bum after the performance he gave.

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you talk like a man.

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I didn't get to see the fight but it sounds that Judah was just being himself- a punk. I saw a clip of the Roger incident and Judah's nothing more than a clown, a thug, with no mental capacity. I still don't see how I used to be a fan of this moron, let him face Tszyu or Margarito so that he can be finally KO'd into retirement. Boxing doesn't need morons like this.

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Originally Posted by baller

I didn't get to see the fight but it sounds that Judah was just being himself- a punk. I saw a clip of the Roger incident and Judah's nothing more than a clown, a thug, with no mental capacity. I still don't see how I used to be a fan of this moron, let him face Tszyu or Margarito so that he can be finally KO'd into retirement. Boxing doesn't need morons like this.

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My points exactly.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Nope. I don't look at things that way.

When Judah started that clowing mess...it went away for me.

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You should have seen the clowning for what it was.

Judah made jestures with his arms not to mock Floyd but he also used them as feints to get Floyd to react, and Floyd made an opening on himself which is WHY Judah threw the left at that precise moment and it landed flush. and Floyd was clowning for whatever reason but didn't offer up any offense. But Judah did, but that doesn't mean anything?

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You know that I don't dig on that clowning bullshat...I never have...think back to our Augustus arguements/discussions...I just don't dig on it.

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And when Augustus finally fought the style you wanted him to fight you said he was done. I never forget wacko ;)

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Nope. I don't look at things that way.

When Judah started that clowing mess...it went away for me.

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You should have seen the clowning for what it was.

Judah made jestures with his arms not to mock Floyd but he also used them as feints to get Floyd to react, and Floyd made an opening on himself which is WHY Judah threw the left at that precise moment and it landed flush. and Floyd was clowning for whatever reason but didn't offer up any offense. But Judah did, but that doesn't mean anything?

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You know that I don't dig on that clowning bullshat...I never have...think back to our Augustus arguements/discussions...I just don't dig on it.

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And when Augustus finally fought the style you wanted him to fight you said he was done. I never forget wacko ;)

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Starr...the funning thing is this...no you don't ever forget...you also don't ever recognize the fact that I always call it how I see it...or how it appears to me. Just because he finally did what I wanted to see him do doesn't mean that I'm going to thing that he's a sucess. Truthfully...it didn't work for Augustus in my opinion.

I personally don't really dig on Augustus either way...he's just not my cup of tea.

Also...no what Judah did in the end doesn't mean anything...because his clowing, his dirty tactics, & all of his technical brilliance still was enough to beat Mayweather.

You were even more critical of Judah's character than me, and I was worried that some people would call me to task for suggesting that Judah's "entourage" includes people of questionable character that clearly are a negative influence on Zab. I used to like him a little bit, before his fight with Tszyu, and didn't make a big deal out of his "glove-in-the-face" routine with Jay Nady, but now it's obvious that Zab lacks the class and self control that boxing fans strongly prefer in their champions. I'm sorry to say that now I like Zab even less than Mike Tyson, who at least occasionally shows a streak of generosity and humility.

Something that I've said a few times: I believe that Mayweather turned the fight around primarily because he changed tactics in the ring, and from the 4th or 5th round onward began using a lot of lead right hands both to the head and the body. Judah is very hard to hit with the left hook, which may be Mayweather's best punch, but Floyd showed his class, intelligence and professionalism by switching away from left hooks in favor of straight right hands and right hooks, which Judah couldn't stop at all for the rest of the fight. I wonder if Al Bernstein would say the same thing. It was a marvelous technical achievement from Floyd as well as an indication of his intelligence and versatility as a fighter.

There have been very few great fighters who could impress us either with their boxing ability from the outside or with their ability to stalk an opponent and to successfully outfight them on the inside. Ali could do it occasionally (he was aggressive against Joe Bugner), Bernard Hopkins could do it, and Floyd can do it. It's hard to find many others.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Nope. I don't look at things that way.

When Judah started that clowing mess...it went away for me.

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You should have seen the clowning for what it was.

Judah made jestures with his arms not to mock Floyd but he also used them as feints to get Floyd to react, and Floyd made an opening on himself which is WHY Judah threw the left at that precise moment and it landed flush. and Floyd was clowning for whatever reason but didn't offer up any offense. But Judah did, but that doesn't mean anything?

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You know that I don't dig on that clowning bullshat...I never have...think back to our Augustus arguements/discussions...I just don't dig on it.

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And when Augustus finally fought the style you wanted him to fight you said he was done. I never forget wacko ;)

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Starr...the funning thing is this...no you don't ever forget...you also don't ever recognize the fact that I always call it how I see it...or how it appears to me. Just because he finally did what I wanted to see him do doesn't mean that I'm going to thing that he's a sucess. Truthfully...it didn't work for Augustus in my opinion.

I personally don't really dig on Augustus either way...he's just not my cup of tea.

Also...no what Judah did in the end doesn't mean anything...because his clowing, his dirty tactics, & all of his technical brilliance still was enough to beat Mayweather.

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still wasn't enough, I know. But everything else you mention gave Floyd the 2nd toughest fight to date. And even you admit that. And I know augustus isn't your cup of tea. And I remember telling you that if Augustus fought the way you wanted him to it would be difficult for him because he has his own rhythm, anything outside of it and he would have trouble.

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Originally Posted by mokele

You were even more critical of Judah's character than me, and I was worried that some people would call me to task for suggesting that Judah's "entourage" includes people of questionable character that clearly are a negative influence on Zab. I used to like him a little bit, before his fight with Tszyu, and didn't make a big deal out of his "glove-in-the-face" routine with Jay Nady, but now it's obvious that Zab lacks the class and self control that boxing fans strongly prefer in their champions. I'm sorry to say that now I like Zab even less than Mike Tyson, who at least occasionally shows a streak of generosity and humility.

Something that I've said a few times: I believe that Mayweather turned the fight around primarily because he changed tactics in the ring, and from the 4th or 5th round onward began using a lot of lead right hands both to the head and the body. Judah is very hard to hit with the left hook, which may be Mayweather's best punch, but Floyd showed his class, intelligence and professionalism by switching away from left hooks in favor of straight right hands and right hooks, which Judah couldn't stop at all for the rest of the fight. I wonder if Al Bernstein would say the same thing. It was a marvelous technical achievement from Floyd as well as an indication of his intelligence and versatility as a fighter.

There have been very few great fighters who could impress us either with their boxing ability from the outside or with their ability to stalk an opponent and to successfully outfight them on the inside. Ali could do it occasionally (he was aggressive against Joe Bugner), Bernard Hopkins could do it, and Floyd can do it. It's hard to find many others.

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:coolclick: Good post...

Only one thing wrong here : "...I was worried that some people would call me to task"

Never do that...that's what this place is for. If we all agreed...this place would be boring as hell.

Even though he performed well, Judah looked like getting stopped before the nut shot. Mayweather's intensity really dropped after that, with good reason.

Yes. But Mayweather tried to turn it on on zab after that and don't forget Zab clocked him with a left hand and thats when Mayweather's intensity dropped.

When we saw the "small riot," my bud said that it's one of those things that will get shown on ESPN all week. Already becoming true. ;)

And damn, that was the worst showing of Floyd Mayweather ever. I'd have to agree. People say I'm hating, but he made a 4-2 Welterweight look "Super." True that Judah fights to the level of his competition, be it Telefutura fighter or HBO fighter. Floyd, being an A fighter, shouldn't have had that much of a tough time with Zab, Just as Zab should never look bad in his recent fights and even lose to a fighter such as Carlos B. A win's a win. Yes.

But, expect Pretty Boy to look Pretty no longer. ;)

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Originally Posted by Starr

Yes but wacko. let me ask you to see your views.

You would say Mayweather acted with class by extending to Zab after the incident. but had zab extended to Mayweather first, be honest, would you be giving Zab the same respect? or would you say "He did a punk move and tried to make himself up but it doesn't work." ?

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;D

i know MANY would have said that

HE TRIED TO MAKE US THINK HE DIDNT DO IT ON PORPOSE

and when judah taunts people seem to say "HE WAS HURT, SO HE STARTED CLOWINING"

but when floyd does it he is luring him in

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

i know MANY would have said that

HE TRIED TO MAKE US THINK HE DIDNT DO IT ON PORPOSE

and when judah taunts people seem to say "HE WAS HURT, SO HE STARTED CLOWINING"

but when floyd does it he is luring him in

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Are you talking about the 11th & the 12th round? When Floyd was waiving Judah in & giving him shots at his chin?

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

i know MANY would have said that

HE TRIED TO MAKE US THINK HE DIDNT DO IT ON PORPOSE

and when judah taunts people seem to say "HE WAS HURT, SO HE STARTED CLOWINING"

but when floyd does it he is luring him in

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Are you talking about the 11th & the 12th round? When Floyd was waiving Judah in & giving him shots at his chin?

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yea ;)

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

i know MANY would have said that

HE TRIED TO MAKE US THINK HE DIDNT DO IT ON PORPOSE

and when judah taunts people seem to say "HE WAS HURT, SO HE STARTED CLOWINING"

but when floyd does it he is luring him in

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Are you talking about the 11th & the 12th round? When Floyd was waiving Judah in & giving him shots at his chin?

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yea ;)

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Okay...so now you do admit that Floyd was hurt in the 11th & the 12th round?

He was hurt from the nutshut...that's all I wanted to get out of you...oh yeah...& Judah was hurt for being choked near unconsciousness. :-*

Don't let Mayweather fool you. He did that because he knew Judah's left was waiting if he tried to come forward again, it was a good strategy but it hid his true intentions.

wacko I think Sal is getting at how Mayweather extends himself and it says he is "pure class" but had Judah extended himself first you'd be saying "He tried to make us think he didn't do it on purpose, the punk!."

is that what you're getting at Sal?

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Originally Posted by Starr

Don't let Mayweather fool you. He did that because he knew Judah's left was waiting if he tried to come forward again, it was a good strategy but it hid his true intentions.

wacko I think Sal is getting at how Mayweather extends himself and it says he is "pure class" but had Judah extended himself first you'd be saying "He tried to make us think he didn't do it on purpose, the punk!."

is that what you're getting at Sal?

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Nope...I think that's what you were trying to get at yesterday...& I answered that...had Floyd done the same thing...I'd have been equally as pissed off for the sake of the fight.

Also...I praised Judah & was thrilled that he was making a fight...only when he did what he did with the clowning & the illegal blows did I say...once again...I am done with this punk.

...and I am.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Also...I praised Judah & was thrilled that he was making a fight...only when he did what he did with the clowning & the illegal blows did I say...once again...I am done with this punk.

...and I am.

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Let Judah do whats effective. You also mentioned that Judah hit Floyd hard with a left hand after the taunting at LEAST Judah used it to effectiveness and didn't just use it to clown like Mayweather did, there IS a difference ;) But it doesn't matter who saw it :)