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I know there is a rematch clause but that’s going to be a hard sell with how one sided that fight was. If putting off the rematch is an option and everyone wanted to fight who would you choose
Garcia-money
Loma-Legacy
Tank-more money, legit sales on PPV money
Kambosos-not sure what the benefit here would be
Garcia now. Good fight for both of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Whoever brings the most money but I would not mind Teófimo López.
Wonder if skirting the rematch..needs to happen..might be used by one of the alphabet soup groups to strip Haney. For entertainment purposes Ryan would be it but I'm convinced his head still isn't screwed on right. He may even f'up the made fight with Fortuna again. Loma and Haney for all the marbles is nice. Imo I cannot see Haney standing up to Davis for 12 rounds.
Tank definitely makes the most sense right now, like you said PPV worthy ; Loma when is possible ; Garcia rather if than when possible ; Shakur would be interesting in the future.
Loma has the best chance to beat him but I think Haney is just a little too big/long and talented for Loma. Tank is not consistent enough throughout a fight to beat Haney, who will stay disciplined and use his feet and jab to keep Tank out of position. I think Garcia is a bit of a hype job, if I’m being honest- more reality star/influencer than fighter. The order I would like the fights to unfold is:
1. Tank vs Garcia (Tank) and Haney vs Loma (Haney)
2. Tank vs Haney (Haney)
3. Haney vs Shakur Stevenson
The only two I see having a chance to beat Devin are Loma and Shakur, although I think the layoff and war in Ukraine has likely dismissed Loma and his chances. I don’t want to see the Kambosas rematch, I just can’t think of anything George can do to make the rematch go differently.
Garcia - Hangs his chin in the air and closes his eyes when he punches the bag. His emotional/mental instability can make him an easy money showcase for Haney. He's currently still adjusting to a new trainer as well.
Kambosos- Give people a chance to forget the drubbing and let Kambosos beat someone solid convincingly. Fulfill your contract and use Kambosos to train for Loma. Kambosos tried to emulate Loma a little bit with Lopez only doing everything a little faster/busier than Loma, albeit rather sloppy. Doesn't have enough power to worry Haney. It prolongs your reign and anyone who wants to skip the line has to pay step aside money to Kambosos. Kambosos will probably push for the fight to keep his celebrity status in his country and stave off the Jeff Horn comparisons if they haven't already set in.
Loma- At his best, a complex fighter who's angles and footwork can give people fits; Now rusty and undersized, I feel. Smart enough to be a wild card and outwork a guy who's not focused but I think he's done personally. He was done when he slacked off before the lopez fight and started drifting cars, fishing and doing watch endorsements and his own apparel and equipment. Took his eyes off the ball for a second and found himself on the outside looking in. I know he supposedly had an injury etc. but I wouldn't be surprised if we never saw him in a ring again as a fighter.
Tank- I actually think at this point, Loma might be able to find lots of holes in tanks game and grease passed him for a win. That being said. Tanks got time on his hands and lot of potential at this point. Obviously his delivery and method need some work. But if he somehow found himself maturing, his potential goes up significantly. He's the got the pop to hurt and finish Haney if he's right.
Stevenson- sharp, methodical and huge at the weight. They better pay you a lot to fight this guy. Beat those other guys and take the lions share, at least, for this long snoozer of an overly tactical chess match. Haney has the speed advantage, Stevenson can eventually walk him down and do the damage.
Given that choice it'd be between Loma and Davis. No way Kambosos deserves a rematch. He's nowhere in Haney's class and a rematch would be pointless.
Ryan? Nah. I only want Ryan to fight Davis and watch Tank blow that fake crown off his head.
Lopez isn't out of the question for me. Like the others sans Ryan, he's paid his dues with some good wars.
I didn’t mean to dismiss Lopez, I just thought he had outgrown 135. If he can make 135 he should definitely be considered. Any man that beats Loma is top notch, if they take a loss or not elsewhere still top notch.
I think I would quite like to see Haney fight Tank. Would be an interesting fight.
Having been there and up close, it was very clear Haney held a huge reach advantage over Kambosos and he fought a smarter fight. Kambosos wants fighters to be in there mixing it with him, Haney simply outboxed him from start to finish not allowing him to get in close. Haney will do the same to Tank and Lopez who are perfect for Kambosos. Haney is very good, he works on the hit and not be hit method, he stuck Kambosos with three or four jabs in a row and was gone before the counter came...I can see the same frustrations occurring with Tank or Lopez. A rematch is a waste of time, Haney will do the same thing again, his options are plentiful though, Tank, Garcia, Lomo, Stevenson and Lopez? He will definitely go up to 140lb within a year or two, but he's only 23yrs old! There is no rush, it's going to be very difficult for anyone to beat him in that time.
If i was Haney I'd just do the rematch v kambosas (if he wants it), it's contracted and he'd win, so he'd get paid, get a world title defense in to pad the stats and be ready for whoever wants it next. Haney is young still so he doesn't need to rush, he's got the time and he's got the belts. I'd hope to get the rematch out of the way quickly and then let the challengers come to me... I'd try to get a good deal out of lomachenko after the rematch, he's top class but also getting a bit older and not a big lad at this weight class.
Obviously as a fan it'd be cool to see him v any of the top guys but the young git has time, I'd like to see him v Davis and/or lomachenko in the near future.
If I’m Haney I’d go for Loma if it can be done because I’d consider it a good matchup with the reach and speed advantage. And it’s a bit of legacy that can’t be acquired 2 years down the road.
As a boxing fan though there are few fights that intrigue me more than Haney vs Tank.
Have to wonder how Haney would do with the turning footwork and inside work of Loma. Haney won't get those opportunities to clinch off the lead so much. Actually love that he won, it feels like the division is finally feeding it's potential to explode. Many great match ups!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
I'd welcome any of Haney or Tank vs Garcia/Lopez
With the winners meeting.
It seems Tank doesn't have many fans around here but I think he might be the best of the lot. Maybe Haney's size and style gives him problems, but he is a big danger for them all.
Loma is currently, seemingly tied up in Ukraine.
Shakur moving up a little down the line to be in the mix as well.
What a great crop of talent! Let's hope they all fight one another and give us some memorable fights.
Undisputed lightweight champion Devin Haney has explained why he’s not pushing for a fight against Ryan Garcia.
At this moment in time, there are very few divisions across both major combat sports that are as exciting as lightweight in professional boxing. There are so many elite level fighters just waiting for the chance to prove themselves to the watching world, and right now, Devin Haney sits at the top of the mountain as the undisputed king.
He holds The Ring, WBA (Super), IBF, WBO and WBC titles following his one-sided triumph over George Kambosos Jr in Australia last weekend. Now, as is the nature of the game, the focus has swiftly turned toward what’s going to be next for the 23-year-old.
Big match-ups against Vasiliy Lomachenko and Gervonta Davis have been suggested but during a recent interview with Ariel Helwani, Haney was questioned about the possibility of a meeting with Ryan Garcia.
The two men have fought multiple times on the amateur scene with both picking up a few wins. In the present day, though, it isn’t a particularly appealing idea for Haney.
“He’s popular but at the end of the day, I’m chasing legacy. I don’t care about Instagram followers or anything like that. I want to make the biggest fights happen for my legacy more than anything. Instagram followers, I mean that’s cool and all, but I’m not into fighting for followers. I’m into fighting for belts and legacies, for my name to live on
While the social media presence of Ryan Garcia is certainly noteworthy, the real headline should be his fantastic boxing ability.
At 22-0 he already has 18 knockouts to his name and on July 16, he’ll head back into the ring for the second time in just a matter of months to take on Javier Fortuna.
With a record of 37–3–1 (2), you could definitely argue that Fortuna isn’t enough of a step up in competition for Garcia. At the same time, there’s a good chance this is one of the final times we see the youngster prior to him fighting for a belt.
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Devin Haney made be the undisputed champion of the lightweight division but it could be argued that he isn't the best. The American comfortably outpointed George Kambosos Jr to win the WBA, IBF and WBO belts to his WBC title but he is yet to fight other standout opponents, including Vasyl Lomachenko, Ryan Garcia and Gervonta Davis. The last two names are the ones that standout commercially, and a fight between Garcia and Tank has been spoken about for some time. With Davis currently a free agent, it could be the biggest chance of making a super fight with Garcia.
De La Hoya - who also promotes Jaime Munguia - claims he will put an offer in to stage the fight later this year.
"Tank, I know you had your last fight with Floyd Mayweather, and I respect Floyd Mayweather, and think he did a tremendous job with your career," De La Hoya told TMZ. "But, I'm ready to offer you a multi, multi, multi, multi-million-dollar offer to fight Ryan Garcia. It'll be the biggest purse that Tank Davis has ever made. "We're ready and willing to split broadcasters, meaning we can have this fight on Showtime PPV and The Zone PPV. "Let's make this fight happen. "Everyone makes a s**tload of money and we give the fight fans what they want to see."
De La Hoya formed Golden Boy Promotions in 2002 while he was still fighting and staged his most lucrative fight against Floyd Mayweather before going on to promote Bernard Hopkins, Deontay Wilder and Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez fights.
Despite his stable not being what it once was, the former six-division world champion claims the promotional company is worth eight figures. "I'm sitting on a billion-dollar company," De La Hoya, 49, told ESPN. "And I can't wait to get rid of it. And most importantly, I can't wait to be the very first fighter ever to be inducted into the Hall of Fame as a promoter as well. These are goals that I have." "We're sitting on a gold mine. When I'm ready to get out, the time will come. But in the meantime, that's the reason I want to make these big fights happen. "It's crucial. It's crucial for the sport. It's crucial for my company. It's crucial, most importantly, for the fan base."
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If I were him, I would want the Tank Davis fight.
Tank has a cereal packet trinket which needs mopping up, plus he's potentially the best of the lot & guarantees a big PPV receipt.
I'm really hoping he can get round this rematch clause somehow.
Kambosos did not do enough to warrant an immediate rematch & he's not a big enough name like Canelo to demand one either.
135 is smoking right now & there's so many mouth-watering fights that could be made in lieu of watch Haney jab George Kambosos's head into oblivion again.
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Originally Posted by Master
HA! Priceless! That quote alone makes me more of a Haney fan than I was before. ;D ;D ;D
Certainly an advantage inside for Loma. But how does he get there against the length and speed both of hand and of foot? I could see Haney taking the first 6 and then it turns into “will Haney make the final bell?”Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliHave to wonder how Haney would do with the turning footwork and inside work of Loma. Haney won't get those opportunities to clinch off the lead so much. Actually love that he won, it feels like the division is finally feeding it's potential to explode. Many great match ups!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Or Haney can come back better. Of course he faded being so obviously over hyped for that last fight. Does he settle into who he is a bit now? Or is stamina always going to be an issue?
So many questions and I love it
I’ve been thinking along the same lines as Ron and Spicoli- Loma’s foot work and angles vs Haney’s jab and length. I agree that Loma will not be as willing of a partner on the inside clinch, which means Devin will have to use his legs and jab to maintain distance and control Loma on the outside. Loma will have to keep Devin turning, and close the distance off a slipped jab to work combinations before moving back out of range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonCertainly an advantage inside for Loma. But how does he get there against the length and speed both of hand and of foot? I could see Haney taking the first 6 and then it turns into “will Haney make the final bell?”Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliHave to wonder how Haney would do with the turning footwork and inside work of Loma. Haney won't get those opportunities to clinch off the lead so much. Actually love that he won, it feels like the division is finally feeding it's potential to explode. Many great match ups!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Or Haney can come back better. Of course he faded being so obviously over hyped for that last fight. Does he settle into who he is a bit now? Or is stamina always going to be an issue?
So many questions and I love it
If Loma gets close to his previous form he has a really good chance- I just worry about the size and lay off. Teo looked huge compared to Loma, and I think Haney will be equally oversized. I have a suspicion that Haney’s speed/athleticism, combined with his size/length will make things very difficult for a past his prime Loma. Not comparing the fighters, but I feel like this is similar to Floyd vs JMM- the size advantage will really tell in this fight due to the size disparity.
if i'm devin i want loma or tank next