The closest we have ever been for this fight. I believe it can happen this year.
https://www.si.com/boxing/2022/06/03...rks-per-report
So it WAS Arum blocking everything, acting like he couldn't make the fight. :o
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The closest we have ever been for this fight. I believe it can happen this year.
https://www.si.com/boxing/2022/06/03...rks-per-report
So it WAS Arum blocking everything, acting like he couldn't make the fight. :o
Probably won’t be announced until July
I think it's close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Bob Arum is scum. Can't wait for him to be removed from power.
Keith ‘One Time’ Thurman believes the welterweight division is hurt by Errol Spence Jr. and Terence Crawford holding all four belts, not allowing the other young fighters to make exciting fights.
Thurman has tried calling out Spence and Crawford for a title shot, but it’s not happening, and he’s getting old waiting for his chance.
Former WBA/WBC 147-lb champion Thurman would like to see the belts fragmented once again so that other contenders like himself can compete for them.
Unfortunately, one of the negative drawbacks to fighters like Spence and Crawford looking to unify the 147-lb division is that it reduces the opportunities for other contenders like Thurman, Jaron ‘Boots’ Ennis, Conor Benn, and Vergil Ortiz Jr. to capture belts.
Thurman (30-1, 22 KOs) was considered the #1 fighter in the welterweight division until three years ago, but he’s now beltless and aging at 33. Who knows if Thurman will win another world title in the 147-lb division?
Thurman says he may have to broaden his horizons and move up to 154 if he can’t get a shot at one of the belts at 147.
‘Thurman wants belts, and if he can’t get one at 147, I might have to move up,” said Keith Thurman to PBC Podcast, talking about his unhappiness with the titles at 147 being controlled by Errol Spence Jr. and Terence Crawford.
If Thurman moves up to 154, it might not be any easier for him to get a crack at a title in that weight class. Jermell Charlo holds all the belts at 154.
“For two champions, Errol Spence and Bud Crawford, to be holding onto all four belts right now, it just hurts the welterweight division as far as making some of the most exciting fights.
“That’s just the caliber of competition that we have in the welterweight division,” said Thurman.
“I believe a lot of fighters could be champions if there wasn’t an Errol Spence and Bud Crawford currently holding onto all the belts. If all the belts were free-floating out there, we’d have a lot of young champions out there, and there would be a lot of new action.
“We just have to wait to see what manifests in the welterweight division and how we get past this generation of everybody fighting for the crown.
“It’s not that I’m running away from the welterweight division. I’d be happy to jump back down to the welterweight division, but I’m all about good fights and proper timing.
“I seen his record and I don’t know who he’s beaten. He also has a record that matches mine,” said Thurman about Jaron ‘Boots’ Ennis. “He’s had tons of fights, but I still don’t think he’s fought, anybody.
“He’s tremendously talented, but I do think it’s going to take a world-class fighter like myself to do something against Boots Ennis. As dominant as he’s been, you can’t just put anybody against him,” said Thurman.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/webco...43072df9c956f5
Thurman should shut up and fight Boots if he wants a title shot. Since he lost his belt he has 1 win in 3 years and it was against a guy coming off a KO loss and moving up a division. He doesn’t deserve a title shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I agree. Also I don't get what his beef is about Spence and Crawford "holding all the belts."
He seems a bit out of touch there. A cursory look at the belt holders in all other divisions will show that in most divisions the belts are all held by either one or two fighters. So I don't get his complaint.
I sort of doubt he wants to put himself out there against the young, wrecking ball in Boots Ennis. At least not without a title on the line.
But no... he needs to re-earn his shot. He's been the model of inactivity since 2016... and he ain't winning too many fans that way.
keith should just go after eimantas stanionis but that ain't an easy fight either. i heard terence is wanting a rematch clause
Errol Spence Jr will likely go toe-to-toe with Terence Crawford in October for an undisputed bout for the welterweight championship.
Both boxers have a 100% record heading into a potential fight, so something would have to give. Spence has a 28-0-0 record with Crawford boasting a 38-0-0 record.
Spence holds the WBC, IBF, WBA welterweight belts with Crawford offering up the WBO belt if the undisputed clash does go ahead in a few months.
It’s certainly going to be an intriguing fight should it happen, with both fighters away from the ring for a while, it’s been almost a year since Crawford’s last fight and half a year for Spence.
An all American clash would see two southpaws go at it in an intriguing battle, both fighters are regarded as some of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world right now, so the entire boxing community will have their eyes on this one.
Canelo Alvarez, who is in training for a third fight with Gennady Golovkin in September, was asked about the potential undisputed welterweight clash and seemed to be looking forward to it like the rest of us.
He was asked for his thoughts on the fight, going on to claim: “It’s going to be a really good fight, but I think, Spence is a really good fighter, but I think Crawford is.”
After that he was asked for this opinion on Crawford’s style and whether or not he would keep his southpaw stance: “He can switch that, I think he’s better.”
The interviewer finished off with a simple question, ‘Do you still think you favour Spence?’ To which Canelo replied: “No no, Crawford!”
It’s hard to argue with Canelo on the quality of the fight, Crawford has defended his WBO belt five times since winning it back in June 2018, most recently beating Shawn Porter with a KO in round 10 back in November.
On the other hand, Spence defended his WBC and IBF belts when he beat Yordenis Ugas to claim the WBA belt and put him just one fight away from the undisputed tag in the welterweight division.
We don’t know who will win the fight or when it will be, but with two of the best pound-for-pound fighters about, we know it won’t be one you’ll want to miss! Especially when both fighters have good KO percentages.
From his 38 wins, Crawford has 29 knockouts which comes in at 76%, whilst Spence has 22 from his 28 wins which comes in at 78%, could we see a knockout in this eagerly anticipated bout?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...d9e40d94e41c86
Steady as we go hope they stay on course or breakdowns in negotiations, early on I'm pulling for and favoring Spence :-X
It’s done, the PBC just has other fights to announce before Spence v Crawford takes all the air out of the room. Like I said in the beginning, it should be announced in the first few days of JulyQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Starting to sound like Crawford will price himself out. I’ve been a Crawford apologist because he has done a lot more than others who people just let get away with anything. But if Crawford doesn’t make this fight I will turn on him same as I did GGG when he kept making crap fights.
Hoping they are just building drama but time is running out before Spence’s mandatory is ordered
ERROL SPENCE JR and Terence Crawford are closing in on a November undisputed welterweight super-fight in Las Vegas.
The pair of unbeaten champions have shared the top of the division for the past four years.
But differing TV networks and promotional stables stood in the way of one of boxing's most fascinating fights.
That was until Crawford, 34, in November walked out on Bob Arum and the legendary promoter's Top Rank banner.
It allowed the three-division champ to negotiate with Spence's Premier Boxing Champions backers as a free agent.
And according to ESPN, a deal is close to being struck with no obstacles in the way of reaching an agreement.
Crawford, a pound-for-pound star, beat Shawn Porter, 34, in 11 rounds eight months ago, but has not returned since.
Whereas Spence, 32, in April took ten rounds to beat Cuban Yordenis Ugas, 36, into submission.
That night, he also added the WBA belt to the WBC and IBF titles he took into the unification.
It leaves Crawford's WBO strap as the only missing piece in Spence's collection, making the bout a rare undisputed fight.
The Texan was recently probed on how talks are developing for the all-American unification.
And Spence told Fight Hub: “It’s closer now than it’s ever been. If it don’t happen now, it’s never going to happen.
“It’s way closer than it used to be. I think it’s definitely going to happen.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/19220...d-fight-vegas/
Even though Spence is my favorite fighter, he is the truth, I’ve been picking Crawford because he is the best fighter in the world. But….Listening to pros explain why each guy will win,,,,the guys that pick Spence tell of reasons more true to how these guys actually fight. People picking Spence saying Crawford will fight then he’ll take a little time moving to recollect himself. And Spence won’t give him that sort of time. That Crawford will become frustrated and that will tire him. That makes sense.
People picking Crawford tend to say his boxing and….but Crawford isn’t one to simply outbox someone. He gets hit. And when he gets hit he fights.
The more I hear people explain their reasoning the more I think I’ve had it wrong. That size, strength and pressure will rule the day.
When this fight is officially confirmed I will put a poll up but I think Spence will win.
Crawford has been over here too and beaten our fighter. I think he is a better p4p fighter but will lose because of Spence size, strength and pressure.
It’s one thing copying and pasting BBC reports, but you literally just copied and pasted the last sentence of @Ron Swanson’s last post and nicked his prediction. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
That is called driving the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraIt’s one thing copying and pasting BBC reports, but you literally just copied and pasted the last sentence of @Ron Swanson’s last post and nicked his prediction. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Believe it or not, it will come down to the size of the ring and the type of gloves. If Crawford gets a 20ft ring with the Everlast gloves, he will work around Spence all night. But if it's an 18ft ring with Reyes, Crawford is gonna have to dig deep and take some tough shots...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Nah mate, driving the point is putting it in bold like I did or quoting it. #predictionthief #nomindofyourown #sunreader ;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat is called driving the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraIt’s one thing copying and pasting BBC reports, but you literally just copied and pasted the last sentence of @Ron Swanson’s last post and nicked his prediction. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
You have your method I have mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNah mate, driving the point is putting it in bold like I did or quoting it. #predictionthief #nomindofyourown #sunreader ;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat is called driving the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraIt’s one thing copying and pasting BBC reports, but you literally just copied and pasted the last sentence of @Ron Swanson’s last post and nicked his prediction. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I have always backed Spence, now Ron is slowly having second thoughts and agreeing with me as he has always predicted Crawford.
So Ron is copying YOU? yet you use his lines word for word? Ok then. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou have your method I have mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNah mate, driving the point is putting it in bold like I did or quoting it. #predictionthief #nomindofyourown #sunreader ;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat is called driving the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraIt’s one thing copying and pasting BBC reports, but you literally just copied and pasted the last sentence of @Ron Swanson’s last post and nicked his prediction. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I have always backed Spence, now Ron is slowly having second thoughts and agreeing with me as he has always predicted Crawford.
I sort of am copying Master. He’s right. I have picked Crawford because I think he is better. But I’m starting to think 3 divisions matter when facing that sort of pressure. I may flip a few times on this one if they ever make it. (Not proud of flipping but better than ignoring “evidence”)
Ok @Master Ron says you win this one.
Even a broken clock…Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
what year were you talking here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonIt’s done, the PBC just has other fights to announce before Spence v Crawford takes all the air out of the room. Like I said in the beginning, it should be announced in the first few days of JulyQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Haha, I had bad info. Source claimed to be more plugged in than he turned out to be. My apologiesQuote:
Originally Posted by TICwhat year were you talking here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonIt’s done, the PBC just has other fights to announce before Spence v Crawford takes all the air out of the room. Like I said in the beginning, it should be announced in the first few days of JulyQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
no apologies required. anyone who follows the sports knows that nothing is definite until the punches start to flyQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonHaha, I had bad info. Source claimed to be more plugged in than he turned out to be. My apologiesQuote:
Originally Posted by TICwhat year were you talking here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonIt’s done, the PBC just has other fights to announce before Spence v Crawford takes all the air out of the room. Like I said in the beginning, it should be announced in the first few days of JulyQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
dan rafael is saying the fight could be november twelfth or nineteenth with eimantas on the undercard
i'd like to see eimantas stanionis v cody crowley
Time to smack a zombie fight label on this one. Just becoming more convoluted. If Spence jumps up to meet Thurman at 154..as a mandatory out of division..it's the definition of mixed uncommitted signals. This fight imo loses so much clarity if both Spence and Bud go up and it leaves 147 a total open house and untested.
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
Then of course there's this: https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/01...-fight-at-154/
"Spence Not Expected To Return To 147 After Thurman Fight At 154"
I mean... the man can do what he wants. For whatever reason he's decided to leave 147... that's his choice.
We should've all known that Spence-Crawford was the ultimate smoke screen and/or lights-and-mirrors show... and that it was NEVER going to happen.
Stupid us boxing fans for having even entertained the idea.
Because once Spence moves up to 154 it's "bye-bye Crawford", who hasn't even made his presence well known at 147 after having moved up from 140.
Once again... it's that quintessential phantom, mythical fight that never happens and just leaves everyone in the lurch.
I say fukk 'em.
I hope they both get smoked in their respective divisions.
Spence has now told On The Rocks w/ AO: “I’m trying to fight the best competition out there.
“There’s a reason why I’m trying to fight Crawford, I’m a man of my word. I’m not trying to fight anybody else but him…
“Me and Crawford are definitely in talks. We’ve been talking, so hopefully it can be me and him.”
Asked if negotiations are progressing better than last year, he said: “Yeah definitely. Me and Crawford, we’re talking directly.
“We actually were probably on the phone for 30 minutes, 40 minutes.
“We probably spent like 15 minutes talking about the negotiations part and stuff like that.
“We were just talking about getting a feel for each other, basically talking our families and current situations we have going on, stuff like that.
“Then we started talking about boxing, us fighting, negotiations.
“It went well and our teams are still negotiating, we’re having talks.
“It’s going very well.”
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1...rawford-fight/
full of shit. we don't wnt to hear about how pally pally they are and their families etc. we just want them to fight. getting less bothered by it as each day passes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
and for the record, I don't know whose fault it is and I don't fucking care.
The talks about Crawford/Spence only came up after Garcia/Tank. Garcia/Tank caused people to ask what about Crawford/Spence and both sides took shame and decided to tease us again with an imaginary fight.
Until I see the first press conference, at least, I'm not even paying attention to this matchup anymore. The time for it has passed.
Sounds like they should be meeting up on an Oprah podcast discussing brunch recipes ffs ;D. This what drives me crazy today with top guys avoiding big fights, they do all their strutting and blather on social media and fans fall in line to settle for it. As a wise man once said...shut up & fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnerafull of shit. we don't wnt to hear about how pally pally they are and their families etc. we just want them to fight. getting less bothered by it as each day passes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
and for the record, I don't know whose fault it is and I don't fucking care.
july twenty nineth?
Terence Crawford and Errol Spence Jr will finally face each other this summer to fulfil one of boxing's most highly anticipated match-ups.
The undisputed welterweight title clash looked to have been a pipe dream for fans after numerous delays and postponements.
Since Crawford moved up into the welterweight division and claimed the WBO strap in 2018, he has been on a collision course with Spence.
The latter won his first belt - the IBF - in 2017 and insisted that he would claim the other two straps before facing WBO rival Crawford.
Spence has not fought since April 2022 when he knocked out Yordenis Ugas but then looked to have agreed terms with Crawford.
But again negotiations fell through and 'Bud' (39-0) made a voluntary defence of his title to beat David Avanesyan in December instead.
Now with nothing standing in either's way, the battle to be crowned the undisputed king at 147 lbs looks finally like it'll happen.
This undisputed welterweight title clash has been pencilled in for Saturday, July 29.
It is set to take place at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas, with ring walks expected around 4am on Sunday morning UK time.
UK television coverage for the fight has not yet been confirmed.
Spence told On The Rocks this month: "I'm trying to fight the best competition out there.
"There's a reason why I'm trying to fight Crawford, I'm a man of my word. I'm not trying to fight anybody else but him...
"Me and Crawford are definitely in talks.
"We've been talking, so hopefully it can be me and him."
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1...lks-undercard/
https://i.imgur.com/Y6M0nBW.jpg Ok now I believe it ;D
Finally
Same week as Fulton vs. Inoue :newdb:
All we need now is for Beterbiev vs. Bivol & Fury vs. Usyk to get with the picture
Putting it out there early, I'm team Crawford in this fight :box3: