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Why is he so far behind? He seems to have the talent yet also seems to prefer the tiktok/instagram world of today more.
This image is shocking to me.
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Why is he so far behind? He seems to have the talent yet also seems to prefer the tiktok/instagram world of today more.
This image is shocking to me.
There's a category missing. It's called "Shit-talking per Day."
Pauper Ry would take this by a country mile.
To be fair, social media didn't exist when Oscar was 23, or else we'd probably be having a different conversation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXrH5COTjj8
if they had had social media back then.......:-X:-X:-X
The fact that notoriously risk averse Bob Arum put Fishnets in world title fights so early in an era which the number of world level talented fighters was higher than it is now verus how slowly Garcia has been brought along tells you everything you need to know. De La Hoya was genuinely elite level, he had the skills to go with the looks and the hype that he got. Garcia does not. Just look at the level of competition De La Hoya was fighting from like his twelfth fight versus Garcia's last ten or eleven opponents. De La Hoya would have absolutely battered Garcia had they ever fought.
In his prime, Oscar was untouchable.
23 fights in the comparison is apples vs kiwi fruit. I actually think the social media exposure has proven a crutch for dudes today. At least Oscar blazed his own push out of Olympics and had that massive 'real' buzz. It was genuine fight to fight within 4 yrs and not some segments and rehearsed pad work. And to be honest, I couldn't stand the guy at all. Oscar and his big toothy colgate smile handed opportunity..but he made his bones very early in hindsight. Ryan is a kid content to hear his own voice just as long as it's the loudest.
oscar came proper. different eras
Oscar was the real deal and proved it. He took on the best and earned the big money. His legacy can not be denied.
Garcia will never match it.
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To be fair you can not match up to de la Hoya and still be pretty good. Ol' fishnets was a pretty handy boxer back in the day..
I find it hard to take anything Garcia says seriously he looks a bit ridiculous and talks nonsense so he doesn't offend me..I do think he has some good speed and power and a good few weaknesses that make him a lot of fun to watch (quite like bronzer, who i really want to see v Crawford), I look forward to gracias fights.
If the point of the thread is that's he's not as good as de la Hoya was then i obviously agree.
I remember there was big scepticism against Oscar when he was a young professional even when he first became world champion. He worked his way successfully up through the weights and then no one could deny that he was a boxing star. I was always a fan and think I only went against him when he fought Vargas and maybe Trinidad.
you were rooting for that steroid-cheat Vargas? (haha as I hypocritically support Big Baby). Oscar really spanked Fernando in that fight. Spanked him good. Should have let the fight a little longer IMO, for a really good ass-kickin after all the smack he talked to Oscar. I didnt like Oscar when I first saw him beat up the older Chavez. Was hard to watch at the timeQuote:
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https://youtube.com/shorts/__cB46T5JJc?feature=share
not taking anything away from oscar but that image is a bit deceptive. the wbo was not recognized as a major title back then
Vargas was a clean fighter up to that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellyou were rooting for that steroid-cheat Vargas? (haha as I hypocritically support Big Baby). Oscar really spanked Fernando in that fight. Spanked him good. Should have let the fight a little longer IMO, for a really good ass-kickin after all the smack he talked to Oscar. I didnt like Oscar when I first saw him beat up the older Chavez. Was hard to watch at the timeQuote:
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https://youtube.com/shorts/__cB46T5JJc?feature=share
I also wanted Chavez to win, forgot about those 2 fights, Chavez was old when they fought.
We need to get back to that. But early on at least we attempted to call it out. Belts and titles have gone the way of jack rabbit orgy, simple quantity over quality and fans are just counting along like muppets. The literal era of special issue "bling-belts" ;D. All comes back to who did you fight. In fairness though I give Oscar more cred for taking a wbo strap from Bredahl than the wbo strap he never actually "took" at all a decade later over Sturm.Quote:
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i remember asking someone at the time oscar beat fernando vargas & felix sturm why oscar wasn't considered a five or six division champion like sugar ray or thomas, i was told the wbo wasn't a major championship. it begs the question, when did the wbo become recognized as a moajor championship? late nineties? early two thousands?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliWe need to get back to that. But early on at least we attempted to call it out. Belts and titles have gone the way of jack rabbit orgy, simple quantity over quality and fans are just counting along like muppets. The literal era of special issue "bling-belts" ;D. All comes back to who did you fight. In fairness though I give Oscar more cred for taking a wbo strap from Bredahl than the wbo strap he never actually "took" at all a decade later over Sturm.Quote:
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Benn beat Doug Dewitt and subsequently legitimised WBO in UK when Eubank got his hands on it and defended it 20+ times.
Kronk and Moorer had hold of it late 80's.
the wbo wasn't needed for lennox v evander to become undisputed in ninety nine. corrie sanders gave up the wbo for a shot at the wbc & vitali in two thousand & four. funnily enough the first four belt unification was oscar v bernard in two thousand fourQuote:
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Oscar was an Olympic gold medalist and amateur phenom who came to the pros chasing greatness and legacy at a time when you had to earn both through performing and pushing yourself. Garcia is a talented kid with good amateur pedigree who is chasing recognition at a time when success is based off social media usage and your number of followers. Shakur Stevenson will be a better comparison for Oscar, as he is an Olympic medalist and fighter who is chasing greatness and legacy through performing and fighting.
Oscar was fishnet, and beat up by a hard gal
I never liked Oscar but I always respected him. (What do I care if he likes to put on womens clothes and stuff himself with toys, ain’t my business).
I think when you respect someone you don’t like it means even more. Similarly I never liked SRL but I always respected him. I think I just prefer guys that are a little rough around the edges. They seem more genuine. But that’s probably not even remotely true. Just some deep seeded bias from a blue collar background most likely. Always preferred the mean mug over the big smile.
I don’t like or respect Garcia. He’s probably a top 6 LW though
I am the same prefer Hagler to Leonard and Fury to AJ.