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Who wins and how?
You that sure it will happen?
Fury should be too big and long for Usyk. I do not think it will be a compelling contest either.
I’m not sure this happens, unfortunately. I agree with Master- Fury is just too big and long for Usyk to overcome. Usyk is good, but Tyson has many more dimensions than AJ. It would be a good fight if they were similarly sized, but Tyson is just too big and is very mobile for a big man- horrible match up for Usyk.
That being said, what does Tyson gain by beating Usyk? He doesn’t make the type of money he would have vs AJ, and I don’t know how much a win over Usyk would go for his legacy. I favor Fury but if he is off at all Usyk can squeak out the win- high risk with low reward. I want to see it but won’t be surprised if Tyson retires tonight.
Fury will want to become undisputed champion to secure his legacy.
Usyk is a good fight for Fury , lacks size and power.
Fury should be able to outreach him and win on points.
It won’t happen because Fury isn’t sure about it. Usyk beats Fury if it does happen, and people on here still not giving enough respect to “the foreign guy” :rolleyes:
A no win fight for fury against the much smaller guy.
Now Khan has retired you could argue Fury and Usyk are the two best boxing brains currently active.
I kind of want to see it and kind of don't want to either.
Wilder was the danger man for Fury
Too risky for Fury, it will be like Holmes taking on Michael Spinks.
Fury already mentioned Steve Cunningham was his toughest fight.
A blown up cruiserweight.
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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I haven't seen that at all. Most comments i have seen here and elsewhere are full of gushing praise for Usyk. The real bigots can't stand Joshua and now feel justified in not supporting him.
I think Joshua just unfortunately happened to pick a really awkward fighter and a South Paw to boot. It didn't help Joshua at all that whenever he would land a good body shot or two, he just could not put together another two or three solid connections like an uppercut or a hook immediately following for example. He rocked his opponent a couple of times pretty good, but let him get away.
If Tyson fury can get up off the canvas several times from the big power of deontay Wilder, then I do not see usyk being able to hurt Tyson fury.
The more I think about this the more I think it would be a real stinker. Two very smart fighters each able to negate the others weapons. Usyk can't hurt fury and he's too clever to get close and can evade him.
This would be fucking awful
I also see Fury smothering Usyk and exhausting him by leaning all that weight on him in clinches. It would be jabs from the outside and looping shots to get in position for a clinch to exhaust Usyk. As good as Usyk is, I'm not sure he will be able to negate those tactics as he is much smaller than Fury. I agree that there is a good chance that this turns out to be a bit of a stinker. I would rather watch Usyk vs Wilder and Fury vs AJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Fury is nowhere near as hard to catch as he makes out. He has some skills, there is no denying that but if Wilder can catch him multiple times and drop him, don't believe for one minute that he will be able to avoid getting caught by Usyk. Usyk doesn't have to starch Fury (although don't rule that out) he just has to outbox him, and if someone as clearly limited as Wallin is can open up Fury's eye then Usyk can do some serious damage if Fury gets cocky. There is potential here for an explosive rollercoaster of a fight if Fury thinks he can simply wade in at points to end it early.
I have no doubt Usyk can connect a few times but don’t see him hurting him.
A cut however…..
Fury will starch the Ukrainian
Tyson Fury makes ring return… as heavyweight champ floors WWE star in Cardiff
Tyson Fury got involved in the main event at WWE’s ‘Clash at the Castle’ in Cardiff before closing the show with a singalong.
World heavyweight champion boxer Fury, who retired after beating Dillian Whyte in April, was in the crowd at the Principality Stadium before becoming involved in the headline clash between Undisputed Universal Champion Roman Reigns and Scottish star Drew McIntyre.
When Austin Theory attempted to capitalise on the brutal contest by cashing in his ‘money in the bank’ contract on the champion, Fury emerged to floor the 25-year-old with a big right hand.
Reigns would go on to pin McIntyre and retain his long-held title, disappointing the crowd of over 62,000 at WWE’s first UK stadium show since 1992.
Fury then entered the ring to congratulate the champion before commiserating with Ayrshire-born McIntyre.
The pair then brought the show to a close with a song as Fury belted out his trademark ‘American Pie’.
It is not the first time Fury has dabbled in WWE, fighting Braun Strowman at ‘Crown Jewel’ in Saudi Arabia in 2019.
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Anthony Joshua has accepted Tyson Fury's offer for a Battle of Britain clash in December this year after Frank Warren sent written terms to Eddie Hearn.
Warren has offered a 60/40 split purse for the blockbuster bout and named the Millennium stadium as the potential location for the world title fight.
Joshua and his team have accepted the terms outlined by Fury and his representatives but stated the fight must take place on December 17 rather than the November 12th date suggested by Warren.
WBC heavyweight champion Fury handed Joshua a world title lifeline on Monday morning, challenging him to a blockbuster bout in December.
Joshua publicly accepted the offer but told Fury he would not engage in 'online discussions just for clout'. Instead, he told the Gypsy King to approach his representatives.
Hearn and Matchroom boxing have now confirmed that Fury's promoter sent over written terms for a potential bout this year and AJ's team have since accepted.
Warren has offered a 60/40 split purse for the fight - which is a generous offer considering Fury's last fight with Dillian Whyte was an 80/20 split.
Warren also included a rematch clause in the deal and proposed for the fight to take place on November 12th.
Joshua and his team have accepted the terms, but only on the condition that the fight takes place on December 17th.
Fury has been pushing for an undisputed bout against WBA, WBO and IBF titleholder Usyk after the Ukrainian mastermind handed Joshua a second-successive points defeat last month.
However, Usyk has ruled himself out of fighting until next year - forcing Fury to go on the hunt for a new opponent.
Fury - who has said he is eager to defend his WBC belt this year regardless of Usyk's availability - has subsequently called out Joshua.
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Tyson Fury has responded to Eddie Hearn's 'sceptical' comments about The Gypsy King's fight offer to Anthony Joshua. The British promoter is not convinced by the legitimacy of Fury's word but the Mancunian has affirmed that he is "one hundred per cent serious."
Taking to Twitter, he said: "This is an easy fight to make normal champion to challenger privileges, & I'm 100% serious. Let's rumble UK."
Fury's tweet comes after Hearn's recent appearance on talkSPORT Breakfast in which he discussed the proposed contest. He said: "We didn't expect this opportunity, but it's a great opportunity to fight for the world title in the biggest fight in boxing and we will definitely look at it.
"For me and the cynic in boxing, this smells of, 'Oh, we couldn't agree the AJ deal so I'm fighting this bloke you've never heard of instead, but no one else was available.' But let's take the cynic away and see what we get back from the Fury camp, because we're ready to discuss it and we're ready to make that fight for sure."
Hearn added: "Fury's outstanding at getting the public to believe absolute nonsense. Over the last two or three weeks, it's been unbelievably bizarre. The big problem for Fury is the Usyk fight. Personally, I don't think he's serious about it but like I said, AJ would have no problem about taking this fight in December."
Fury called out Joshua after it was confirmed that Oleksandr Usyk would be out of action until next year. The proposed undisputed unification clash was supposed to be his next fight but with Fury unwilling to sit out and wait, he tabled an offer to face AJ for his WBC belt in December.
Fury's promoter Frank Warren has since confirmed that they will be sending an official written proposal later today. "We're sending a written offer across today to them," Warren told talkSPORT, "My son George spoke with Eddie Hearn yesterday.
"It's us who have made the approach to give AJ a great opportunity to get himself back into the top level against the world champion Tyson. He's willing to make that voluntary defence, so we'll send the offer across today and then they'll have to look at it and decide whether they wanna grab this with both hands."
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Tyson Fury has said he got ‘bored with retirement’ before deciding to announce his return to the ring.
Fury last boxed in April, knocking out Dillian Whyte at Wembley Stadium in London to retain the WBC heavyweight title.
While Fury, 34, spent the following months claiming to be retired, the Briton never vacated the WBC belt, which he has since said he intends to defend before the end of the year.
“I got bored with retirement,” Fury told Ring magazine this week. “I had five months out the ring and I changed my mind.
“Nobody believed me anyway, did they? I would still have passed a lie detector test, though, for sure.”
On Monday (5 September), Fury offered compatriot Anthony Joshua the chance to fight him for the WBC heavyweight title, a proposition that Joshua accepted on Twitter.
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Tony Bellew says Anthony Joshua ‘biggest draw'
"He's come off the back of two defeats and yet a champion is calling you out," Bellew told talkSPORT. "The best way I can analyse this and add it up would be Conor McGregor is coming off two defeats but still every single UFC fighter in the business calls out his name. It's very similar to AJ now. AJ is the biggest draw in the heavyweight division. I'm sorry to say it guys. It doesn't matter if he's lost twice or not - he's still the biggest draw.
"There's a reason why he does what he does. He's just been brilliantly managed, promoted and it's been a dream. But ultimately he knocks people out. Yes, he's coming off the back of two defeats but why is the best fighter in the world calling his name? Why does he want to face him? You've got to ask that question.
"When you start putting out offers and saying, 'I'll give you 60-40...' I'm not being funny guys but people like Conor McGregor, people like Anthony Joshua, they don't bow to other people's demands because the draw they bring is so big.
"This guy took boxing to Saudi Arabia, just remember that - the desert, never been there before. He has an awful lot of power to his hand and people like to point out it's a different model, UFC to boxing.
"In hindsight, it's really not. Are you the biggest draw or are you not? There's a reason why he's being called out. He's coming off two defeats like we've just said and yet Tyson Fury is calling his name."
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I actually like the Fury vs Joshua fight more- think it is a better style match up. Usyk vs Fury will be two technicians focusing on position and winning an intermittent skirmish or two to steal a round. Fury will lean on Usyk to smother him and Usyk will use movement and foot work to keep Fury off balance which will be awkward when combined with Fury's movement and outside style. Joshua is solid but isn't as skilled or mobile as Fury, and is likely the one guy in the division who is strong enough to actually muscle Tyson around in the clinch. The latter half will be entertaining also, but for a different reason- Tyson will take AJ into deep water and drown him when he wilts. Nothing sells excitement like watching a big man get stopped.
Eddie Hearn has confirmed that there will be a rematch clause in the proposed all-British showdown between Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury which could add further delay to Fury's undisputed unification clash with Oleksandr Usyk.
Speaking to iFL TV, Hearn said: "60/40 is the offer as Tyson said. They want a rematch clause and they asked for a day at the beginning of November. I don't know if that was a wind-up or whatever but we just went back this morning.
"I spoke to AJ about that offer, we think, I think particularly that he deserves more than 40 per cent but he's happy and I don't make the decisions, he does.
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why do they think he's worth more than 40 percent. Seriously
And didn't AJ get the lionshare in his rematch with Ruiz due to that clause.
I thought the rematch was 50/50 split against Usyk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
don't know about Usyk was on about Ruiz
Joshua earned 40-60 million, Ruiz 10 million for rematch (dollars)
Nice clause
Seems Joshua accepting wrongfooted Fury and now he has moved the goalposts again to avoid actually having to fight him.
You wait Fury will return against Chisora.
I am sure Fury will not mind AJ accepting the fight but agree the camps will not agree on the terms for the bout. That would be a shame.Quote:
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Originally Posted by MasterI am sure Fury will not mind AJ accepting the fight but agree the camps will not agree on the terms for the bout. That would be a shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
I am sure Fury, Joshua etc are not afraid of fighting anyone but Fury's own ego and Arum going along with it, plus the Warren/ Hearn crap will end up scuppering the fight and see Fury fight another nonsense pointless fight with Chisora. Joshua for all his distractors has not avoided the right fights for most of his career but Fury can't wait to badmouth everyone whilst often being the one messing everyone around.
Warren said that talks had been paused.
He said: “We’ve put it all on hold at the moment. It wasn’t appropriate obviously. That’s how we feel.
“We’ve put it on hold and will pick up on it in the next week or so.
“From our perspective, we don’t feel it is appropriate out of respect for what has happened.”
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Fury versus AJ and fury versus usyk are the only two fights really out there that anybody wants to see at heavyweight.
Ruiz if in tip top shape would certainly be the next choice as a participant in a title fight
Wilder is well past his expiration date and took too much punishment in his last fight like Frasier took against George Foreman. There's no way that Wilder could ever be the same. Too many headshots, too many ruptured eardrums, too much bleeding out of the ear etc etc.
I just don't see anybody beating Tyson fury he's too damn big and he's too damn slick and he's crazy and remember this guys YOU CANNOT BEAT A TRULY CRAZY MAN
Fury Ain't Crazy , far from it. He's just a Showman. He actually likes AJ, He Likes Wilder, He Loves Chisora and he likes AND respects Usyk.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
When he's being real , he gets on with all of them .
So because he puts on a load of anger and shit , people think he's cray cray.
Fuck Me , I remember when he won the Irish Championship in the early days and he beat Marty Rogan , he was falling over himself begging to be Rogan's " Boxing fwend!" it was cringey as fuck.
It's all a big fucking game , that's why it's going downhill.
Guys like MAB and Morales, Hagler and Minter, Hagler and Hearns, Floyd and anyone, Benn and Eubank Sr. , now there's proper dislike.
I would venture to say that the only guy that he "mildly disliked" was David Haye, and the feeling was absolutely mutual.
Chisora's just as bad . He's throwing tables around giving it the big'un, and then afterwards he's fucking going into their changing rooms with a shit load of Five Guys Burgers for the opposite team.
Good points. Guess it's easy to forget it's all a show sometimes. He's a damn good actor then. But yeah, sell the tickets, stay relevant, keep the attention going, all to generate that next big pay day. Sort of like politics. Bet they're mostly all friends behind the scenes as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraFury Ain't Crazy , far from it. He's just a Showman. He actually likes AJ, He Likes Wilder, He Loves Chisora and he likes AND respects Usyk.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
When he's being real , he gets on with all of them .
So because he puts on a load of anger and shit , people think he's cray cray.
Fuck Me , I remember when he won the Irish Championship in the early days and he beat Marty Rogan , he was falling over himself begging to be Rogan's " Boxing fwend!" it was cringey as fuck.
It's all a big fucking game , that's why it's going downhill.
Guys like MAB and Morales, Hagler and Minter, Hagler and Hearns, Floyd and anyone, Benn and Eubank Sr. , now there's proper dislike.
I would venture to say that the only guy that he "mildly disliked" was David Haye, and the feeling was absolutely mutual.
Chisora's just as bad . He's throwing tables around giving it the big'un, and then afterwards he's fucking going into their changing rooms with a shit load of Five Guys Burgers for the opposite team.
Lets take todays talk at face value and the fight is on.
It's a good move for me. Top fighter fighting top fighter. It's what's supposed to happen win lose or draw isn't it? Maybe with Queensbury/Top Rank running the show Joshua can concentrate on fighting and fighting only. It might be the best thing for him to play second fiddle.
I've always said that Joshua beats Fury. Obviously the landscape has changed a bit so Fury will rightly start as a heavy favourite. Joshua is live in the fight though. I never have bought into this Fury God like status he's been afforded on the back of beating the same bloke three times and Dillian Whyte. I also don't buy into the narrative that Joshua is a busted flush. He's got his issues, I don't know if he's going to get over them, I suspect not. But he's big, strong and got a punchers chance at worst. There's a lot more of Fury to hit as well. I would expect Fury to win. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Joshua flattens him either.
Fingers crossed.
Always thought joshua tailor made for fury and would take him to school.
Punchers chance for Joshua for sure but with 3 defeats fury will play serious mind games and I see it similar to wilder 3 fight though fury stops him earlier.
Let's have it. At Wembley. We need it
Anthony Joshua has entered the WBC heavyweight rankings in the latest step towards a potential all-British showdown with champion Tyson Fury.
The two-time world champion has been inserted at No 6 following successive defeats to Oleksandr Usyk, who retained the WBA, IBF and WBO belts by split decision in last month's rematch in Saudi Arabia.
Fury, who knocked out Dillian Whyte at Wembley in April, had seemingly been open to an undisputed clash against Usyk before learning the Ukrainian would not be ready to box again until 2023.
He has since taken to social media to call out Joshua and offered the 32-year-old a 60-40 purse for a fight that had been due to take place in August 2021 before an arbitration judge ruled that Deontay Wilder was entitled to a third fight with Fury.
Joshua's entry into the top 15 as a former world champion meets the WBC's criteria for a champion for Fury to defend his titles in either a voluntary or mandatory defence.
Fury recently outlined November 26 at Wembley or December 3 at Cardiff as potential dates for the fight.
There is no current mandatory challenger in place to face Fury, with Wilder No 1 in the ratings ahead of his eliminator against Robert Helenius in October and Andy Ruiz No 2 following his recent victory over Luis Ortiz in their eliminator.
Fury has meanwhile been challenged to a fight by Mahmoud Charr, who has a record of 33-4 (19 knockouts) after recording a third-round knockout of Nikola Milačić in May.
The 37-year-old has also just entered the WBC rankings at No 19 as a former WBA regular champion.
"Tyson Fury, take the fight. I'm ready to knock you out. Take my challenge. I'm ready for you, man. No excuses," said Charr in a social media video at the beginning of the month.
Fury responded: "Diamond Boy, I've got a certain little middleweight that I've got to put that fist through first. However, if he doesn't want no smoke, you can surely get it. Pressure will break diamonds."
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Gun to your head and your house on it is there anyone on here who picks AJ (I know some have given him more chance than others) ?
Master lets change this to a poll please , ta !
Tyson Fury v AJ Poll added
This fight is all about money. How can a guy lose 3 of his last fours and get a title shot. Usyk can't draw flies in the states. I would like Usyk to fight Ruiz next.