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I love how you lot have gone graveyard silent on Anthony Joshua's disgraceful behaviour. Very championship like for him. Tyson Fury was never wrong on these Dosser's and posers.
The difference between AJ and Fury is that Fury knows he ain't shit but tries to be a bit better every day, it's a fight through Christ who saves. AJ tried to hide he ain't shit but when the pressure is on him, he bitches out like the little bitch he is!
Shit, even Wilder took his ass kicking from Fury like a man.
AJ is pretty much finished. 3 losses of his last 4 fights is it? But its not just the losses, as any fighter can rebound, but he doesn't have that killer instinct needed. His body shots were very effective, but he just doesn't go for the fucking kill. That KO by Andy really spooked him, he will not let it all hang out and go for a knockout due to that. But a huge huge guy like AJ should really capitalize on his strength and monster size. He fights like a cat now. Not aggressive enough except for that 9th round where he really did shine --- briefly. I don't know how marketable he is now. He is tarnished. He is boring and NOW, he has proven a childish, mentally unstable juvenile. For a moment it looked he would "pull a Tyson" there, I thought when he reversed course from heading to the dressing room that he was going back in to bite Usyk's ear or something. Did you hear what he first said to Usyk when he returned to the ring? He said something like "Boxing takes skills, man, boxing takes skills, you need skills to win, I have skills, so how did you beat me? How did you beat me?" What a cry baby/arrogant or whatever. Then when on the microphone he tried to spin it and say CHAMP CHAMP CHAMP, but it was too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
That display in ring after the fight was worse than Holmes's post fight rant when he lost to Spinks. Utterly disgraceful.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellAJ is pretty much finished. 3 losses of his last 4 fights is it? But its not just the losses, as any fighter can rebound, but he doesn't have that killer instinct needed. His body shots were very effective, but he just doesn't go for the fucking kill. That KO by Andy really spooked him, he will not let it all hang out and go for a knockout due to that. But a huge huge guy like AJ should really capitalize on his strength and monster size. He fights like a cat now. Not aggressive enough except for that 9th round where he really did shine --- briefly. I don't know how marketable he is now. He is tarnished. He is boring and NOW, he has proven a childish, mentally unstable juvenile. For a moment it looked he would "pull a Tyson" there, I thought when he reversed course from heading to the dressing room that he was going back in to bite Usyk's ear or something. Did you hear what he first said to Usyk when he returned to the ring? He said something like "Boxing takes skills, man, boxing takes skills, you need skills to win, I have skills, so how did you beat me? How did you beat me?" What a cry baby/arrogant or whatever. Then when on the microphone he tried to spin it and say CHAMP CHAMP CHAMP, but it was too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
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Did we forget that Usyk fought in a war during training? His home and family are most likely displaced? AJ showed NO CLASS... Disgraceful and disrespectful.
Saw a clip of the referee who worked the Zhang undercard fight saying "let's just keep it professional" to him as he walked back". AJ turns into it "who are you talking to what" all bowed up. Safe to say that ref won't be working his fights and was probably sent home by Midnight.
I like AJ. He looks like he trained extremely hard and truly felt he would be victorious so I can see him being frustrated, exhausted, emotional, and then having the additional impact of career ramifications. Losing a tough fight like that in front of millions is hard enough, but add the financial implications and it likely makes you feel a little hopeless and scared. I wish he had handled it better, but I’m sure that today AJ wishes that he had handled it better way more than anyone else.
I would like to see AJ take on a couple of easy fights before moving into a Wilder super fight. Heavyweight is kind of thin right now to me, so not sure how many interesting fights remain for him. I would pay big money to watch him fight Wilder.
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Originally Posted by mikeeod
I like AJ too. Plus, you're right about AJ likely wishing he had handled it better more than anyone else.
But sometimes we can't gloss over a humongous screw-up just because we like the fighter involved. To be clear, many other fighters have lost under pressure-packed conditions, to their utmost frustration. Yet many of them have managed to muster the gumption and comportment to handle the situation professionally. AJ failed miserably.
The victim here was Usyk. It was HIS moment, not AJ's. Nobody needed (nor wanted) for AJ to go into a self-serving monologue, mic in hand.
No, I didn't watch the fight. I'll be sure to watch it at my first available opportunity. Thanks to all the gents who provided a wonderful RBR. I also followed it on a live update site. But I did watch the whole aftermath. It's on plenty of YouTubes.
Let's not fall into the typical double standard trap. We've all blasted Deontay Wilder for all the stupid crap he utters, and cringe every time he opens his mouth. As with Joshua, I like Wilder also. He's made the most of what he has. I still think a matchup between him and Joshua would be extremely interesting and fan-friendly. It would be a huge fight, regardless of whether a title is involved. Should've happened years ago.
Had Joshua reigned in his unfortunate impulses and behaved more normally, letting Usyk have his well-deserved day in the sun... he would've immediately multiplied his fanbase. But he didn't. He f*cked up. Not to mention going on an expletive filled rant which probably broke a world record in bleeps for a post-fight interview.
I don't disagree with anything you wrote- Joshua should have been respectful and classy in defeat. Usyk and the Ukrainian people deserved their moment- especially right now. My point was more towards the comment or thought that AJ is a disgrace to the sport. His actions that night were inexcusable, but were they so severe that we are saying AJ is a disgrace to boxing?? That seems harsh for someone who has represented the sport well and been a great ambassador for 99% of his time in the eyes of the public.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
I like AJ too. Plus, you're right about AJ likely wishing he had handled it better more than anyone else.
But sometimes we can't gloss over a humongous screw-up just because we like the fighter involved. To be clear, many other fighters have lost under pressure-packed conditions, to their utmost frustration. Yet many of them have managed to muster the gumption and comportment to handle the situation professionally. AJ failed miserably.
The victim here was Usyk. It was HIS moment, not AJ's. Nobody needed (nor wanted) for AJ to go into a self-serving monologue, mic in hand.
No, I didn't watch the fight. I'll be sure to watch it at my first available opportunity. Thanks to all the gents who provided a wonderful RBR. I also followed it on a live update site. But I did watch the whole aftermath. It's on plenty of YouTubes.
Let's not fall into the typical double standard trap. We've all blasted Deontay Wilder for all the stupid crap he utters, and cringe every time he opens his mouth. As with Joshua, I like Wilder also. He's made the most of what he has. I still think a matchup between him and Joshua would be extremely interesting and fan-friendly. It would be a huge fight, regardless of whether a title is involved. Should've happened years ago.
Had Joshua reigned in his unfortunate impulses and behaved more normally, letting Usyk have his well-deserved day in the sun... he would've immediately multiplied his fanbase. But he didn't. He f*cked up. Not to mention going on an expletive filled rant which probably broke a world record in bleeps for a post-fight interview.
Why is Joshua held to a higher standard than any other fighter ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Look at how the media heavily criticize Lewis Hamilton, but other Formula 1 drivers can act like a complete mess.
People may wonder why I'm not just blatantly coming out and saying things bluntly. I don't think I need to. Everyone know's why AJ's getting sh*t for his behaviour in the ring straight after the fight........ but I'm not gonna go there.
I have seen on social media people stating that Joshua's mask slipped. Again this proves that he is held to a higher standard.
Are you implying that he is held to a higher standard because.....wait for it!..... he's black? Because if so, that is bollocks. ANY fighter, purple, green, pink, white or black, who has no killer instinct, doesnt follow up when has a fighter hurt, doesnt fight using his God given blessings of HUGE size and power, and then acts like an utter juvenile delinquent with the microphone pissing on Usyk's chips, should be called A DISGRACE TO THE SPORT. Did Joe Frazier act like that after getting blown out in Kingston? Did Cooney act like that when Holmes whipped his ass? AJ is a fucking disgrace. Stop making excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denilson3.0Why is Joshua held to a higher standard than any other fighter ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Look at how the media heavily criticize Lewis Hamilton, but other Formula 1 drivers can act like a complete mess.
People may wonder why I'm not just blatantly coming out and saying things bluntly. I don't think I need to. Everyone know's why AJ's getting sh*t for his behaviour in the ring straight after the fight........ but I'm not gonna go there.
I have seen on social media people stating that Joshua's mask slipped. Again this proves that he is held to a higher standard.
too many yes men around aj & the wrong mentality. the time to be the hard man was in the previous twelve rounds. emotions run high understandably but he is a professional. oleksandr would have been called out for his reaction had the roles been reversed. aj should be proud of himself, he performed better this time & there is nothing wrong with losing to a great fighter. i think there are still plenty of good fights for aj
not the best quality but just incase you haven't already got a copyQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VBv--d9qfY
I actually agree with you on this. Don’t get me wrong, 2 wrongs don’t make a right and AJ’s behaviour was wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denilson3.0Why is Joshua held to a higher standard than any other fighter ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Look at how the media heavily criticize Lewis Hamilton, but other Formula 1 drivers can act like a complete mess.
People may wonder why I'm not just blatantly coming out and saying things bluntly. I don't think I need to. Everyone know's why AJ's getting sh*t for his behaviour in the ring straight after the fight........ but I'm not gonna go there.
I have seen on social media people stating that Joshua's mask slipped. Again this proves that he is held to a higher standard.
But Fury can come out with all sorts of shit in and out of the ring and nobody criticises him.
I’m not saying it’s racist, because Chisora also churns out shit and gets a pass.
However, if you’re answer to that was “yeah but Chisora gets a pass because he’s nobody.” I wouldn’t argue the point.
And I really don’t want to light the touch paper, but it’s almost like guys like AJ, Hamilton and Mayweather are accepted by the masses until they get too successful. And that is the worst type of racism if that is the case.
aj was disrespectful throwing the belts out of the ring, credit to oleksandr for just nodding it off, a true professional
Was a pretty strange post big fight day. As predicted the initial actions of AJ and his follow up expressing regret were all..literally all..the talk from what I've seen. Aside from a clip of Usyk at the airport he's been relegated to secondary news in what is and should have been celebrated as his biggest night and his highest high at a time when maybe he as an individual also outside of the ring needed it the most given what he's seen back home and represented over the last 6 months. Watching the unedited full aftermath there's one thing that's clear, his professionalism and genuine character may be the only things bigger than his actual skill on display. AJ is going to have to shoulder this for the rest of his career. And frankly needs to be reminded of the entirety of it. I'm not down with beating a man repeatedly over the head when they implode and rage like that after it's acknowledged it but that's just the start. The last thing he needs is to be talking about is fighting anytime soon. He has some big time some soul searching to do.
It all started with Usyk complementing AJ saying he was strong. AJ took it the wrong way and said it is skill that wins not size or strength which is true and AI does not have enough to beat Usyk.
Damn. That was seriously a good post. Bullseye 🎯🎯🎯💯💯💯% 👍👍👍Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Sure looked like that pressure cooker started as the decision was being read. Not to 'Zapruder' the vids but you can see it as he waltzed away from his entire team and vice versa. Man was adrift.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
aj was angry immediately following the announcement. he went over to loma & another guy in oleksandr's team & fist bumped them both, looked to be unusually hard. aj needs a bit of time off & he needs to get someone in his team that he respects & has his best interests at heart, that he can trust to tell him what's what, without the bullshit & blowing smoke up his ass. how fighters come back from loses shows me what they are made off & both times so far aj has improved, i think he regrets the end of fight outburst & behavior & hopefully he'll continue to work on himself. it's all we can do to try & be better people than we were yesterdayQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliSure looked like that pressure cooker started as the decision was being read. Not to 'Zapruder' the vids but you can see it as he waltzed away from his entire team and vice versa. Man was adrift.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
First of all, if you know anything about boxing you would realize that Usyk was not hurt in the 9th round and was just riding the wave.
He made AJ gas.
AJ was a complete muppet after the fight and his team were too scared to stop him talking.
He is not the champion and had no right to rant after the fight like that.
Wilder and Wlad lost their belts and never behaved in this manner.
19 stone Tyson Fury can throw combinations so there’s no excuse from AJ.
The better man won.
Still some big fights for him out there if he wants them. Or Eddie can convince him he does.
Wilder or Ruiz III but needs an easy one to get back into it. Arena fight
Throwing belts around and generally making a tit of yourself is not a good look. Joshua made himself look a right Charlie. I don't have a problem with the verbal exchange with Usyk. Crossed wires, heat of the moment. They were both actually being complimentary to one another but with Joshua being steamed up the way he was it came out as if derogatory which I don't believe it was for one second.
It was a back handed complement from Usyk when he said to AJ that he was strong. He was really saying you are not skilled as me and you are dumb for giving away all your advantages. I would never be as silly as you losing twice to me.
AJ obviously got upset and threw away belts that were not even his in the first place.
AJ starts blubbering about how hard it is to be a famous multi millionaire living the luxurious life and having everything handed to him. Grow up you big baby and stop feeling sorry for yourself.
A lot of pricks here in the UK have done just that. Fury can be juiced to the eyeballs, pretending he has covid, do more lines than Hamlet, and yet he is supposed to be some kind of role model. Joshua acts like a dick after one fight and they are queuing up to claim he isn't British. he is a disgrace, he is a racist for suggesting that Black people in the UK should support Black businesses, etc. Nobody is pretending his behaviour is Ok but to pretend that somehow he is now a disgrace to the sport is beyond a joke, Fucking clowns.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellAre you implying that he is held to a higher standard because.....wait for it!..... he's black? Because if so, that is bollocks. ANY fighter, purple, green, pink, white or black, who has no killer instinct, doesnt follow up when has a fighter hurt, doesnt fight using his God given blessings of HUGE size and power, and then acts like an utter juvenile delinquent with the microphone pissing on Usyk's chips, should be called A DISGRACE TO THE SPORT. Did Joe Frazier act like that after getting blown out in Kingston? Did Cooney act like that when Holmes whipped his ass? AJ is a fucking disgrace. Stop making excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denilson3.0Why is Joshua held to a higher standard than any other fighter ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Look at how the media heavily criticize Lewis Hamilton, but other Formula 1 drivers can act like a complete mess.
People may wonder why I'm not just blatantly coming out and saying things bluntly. I don't think I need to. Everyone know's why AJ's getting sh*t for his behaviour in the ring straight after the fight........ but I'm not gonna go there.
I have seen on social media people stating that Joshua's mask slipped. Again this proves that he is held to a higher standard.
Christ you read a lot into one word ;D. I think like AJ you've got the wrong end of the stick mate. He used the word strong, could have been good, skilled, whatever. His English is OK but not great. AJ took it literally and assumed it was a knock on his skill level. I don't think it was that at all and I don't think that's what Usyk is about either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I know Usyk did not mean to insult AJ but he must be thinking what I said. These heavyweights are limited compared to him and he is making millions showing them up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisChrist you read a lot into one word ;D. I think like AJ you've got the wrong end of the stick mate. He used the word strong, could have been good, skilled, whatever. His English is OK but not great. AJ took it literally and assumed it was a knock on his skill level. I don't think it was that at all and I don't think that's what Usyk is about either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Let's not forget how Joshua supports local businesses
As long as you do not lose your mind over the statement you will be ok. Some have embarrassed themselves and never recovered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
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Originally Posted by mikeeodI don't disagree with anything you wrote- Joshua should have been respectful and classy in defeat. Usyk and the Ukrainian people deserved their moment- especially right now. My point was more towards the comment or thought that AJ is a disgrace to the sport. His actions that night were inexcusable, but were they so severe that we are saying AJ is a disgrace to boxing?? That seems harsh for someone who has represented the sport well and been a great ambassador for 99% of his time in the eyes of the public.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
I like AJ too. Plus, you're right about AJ likely wishing he had handled it better more than anyone else.
But sometimes we can't gloss over a humongous screw-up just because we like the fighter involved. To be clear, many other fighters have lost under pressure-packed conditions, to their utmost frustration. Yet many of them have managed to muster the gumption and comportment to handle the situation professionally. AJ failed miserably.
The victim here was Usyk. It was HIS moment, not AJ's. Nobody needed (nor wanted) for AJ to go into a self-serving monologue, mic in hand.
No, I didn't watch the fight. I'll be sure to watch it at my first available opportunity. Thanks to all the gents who provided a wonderful RBR. I also followed it on a live update site. But I did watch the whole aftermath. It's on plenty of YouTubes.
Let's not fall into the typical double standard trap. We've all blasted Deontay Wilder for all the stupid crap he utters, and cringe every time he opens his mouth. As with Joshua, I like Wilder also. He's made the most of what he has. I still think a matchup between him and Joshua would be extremely interesting and fan-friendly. It would be a huge fight, regardless of whether a title is involved. Should've happened years ago.
Had Joshua reigned in his unfortunate impulses and behaved more normally, letting Usyk have his well-deserved day in the sun... he would've immediately multiplied his fanbase. But he didn't. He f*cked up. Not to mention going on an expletive filled rant which probably broke a world record in bleeps for a post-fight interview.
100%.
"Disgrace to the sport" is totally unwarranted and a huge overreaction. Joshua screwed up BIG TIME... and someone from his team should've tried to do a bit of damage control before it went too long... or the mic should've mysteriously stopped working. To excuse any part of his strange rant is to overlook the obvious. But Joshua, IMO, is a good human being. Good human beings are not "a disgrace to the sport." Let's save that moniker for fighters who have really earned it.
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterAs long as you do not lose your mind over the statement you will be ok. Some have embarrassed themselves and never recovered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Funniest comment I've heard.
~ AJ went full Kanye on Usyk last night. ~
:D :D
I'm curious, when did he tell Joshua he was 'strong' ;D. Was it the exchange where AJ snatched the flag from him?
Think it was at the start before he ran out and came back into the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Here is the full sequence. I hadn't seen it until just now all the way through from these angles. Joshua really did behave even worse than I originally thought. Check this out
https://youtu.be/0-QMOab7jNY
Maybe Loma in corner? First time seeing 'full' clip no commentary. Honestly looks worse seeing it full :-X, Usyk didn't say a word to him, he was raging and it just rolled on till grabbing the belts from Usyk. On a side his entire corner is shit, nowhere to be seen except Chisora and another ? holding him back. Edit...fecking A Brock ;D same page and allQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThink it was at the start before he ran out and came back into the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
https://youtu.be/0-QMOab7jNY
What a piece of garbage. "I am the new breed of heavyweights.". Seriously hope we never see this guy again. Anybody watching that clip I just posted..... Usyk went to get his flag back and Anthony the juvenile delinquent Joshua looked him in the eye and said "WAIT, WAIT I AM TALKING".
It doesn't get more self-important and narcissistic and clueless than that.
"Sonny Liston, Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis.... Why don't I throw combinations like Rocky Marciano?"
Blah blah blah THAT WAS MORE CRINGE-WORTHY THAN WATCHING A NANCY PELOSI SPEECH WHERE SHE CURLS HER NOSE UP LIKE A LITTLE BUNNY RABBIT AND RUBS HER KNUCKLES TOGETHER.
ANTHONY JOSHUA IS THE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF CRINGEWORTHINESS
@Spicoli amazing we both posted the same exact Link at the simultaneous same time! That is funny as hell
Alright it happened just interesting seeing this version. Interesting he points to his head twice walking to Usyk corner like it was festering in him. All the big strong guy stuff and needing to impose and be the bigger man. Whatever flipped his switch looks like it runs deep. And the Usyk side eye :sneaky: following him after belt toss. Hey he could have gone James Butler vs Richard Hall ffs :-X
"Even a broken clock twice a day...." and such ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
You have forgotten. How convenient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKOWhat?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterAs long as you do not lose your mind over the statement you will be ok. Some have embarrassed themselves and never recovered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO