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So now that the dust has settled in two significant heavyweight fights... where do we rank the top heavyweights?
Granted, the Wilder-Helenius fight is still to come. But I'm going to assume that Wilder gets past the lumbering Helenius.
My own personal order is as follows:
1. Fury (when he's not retired) ;)
2. Usyk
3. Wilder
4. Joshua
5. Ruiz
1. Fury
2. Usyk
3. Joshua
4. Wilder
5. Joyce/Parker winner (should be Joyce)
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Originally Posted by Master
I like your list. But I think Wilder and Joshua should get into the ring once and for all and settle that minor detail of an argument. ;D
Hell... even if no titles are on the line. They owe us. :D
Am posting this before I read the others in the thread
1) Fury
2) Usyk
3) Wilder
4) Joshua (very difficult to separate AJ and Wilder so based it on the fact Joshua has been beaten by two other top ten fighters)
5 onwards is Parker, White, Ruiz, Joyce etc and hard to split them as I see them as also rans who are not going to set the world alight (Ruiz not for a second time at least !).
Its a good job we have the other guys at the top.
1. Usyk
2.Joshua
3. Ruiz
4.Wilder
Note this is the Ruiz from the AJ 1 fight. The Ruiz from the AJ 2 fight isn’t in the picture.
5. Whyte
6. Joyce
7. Parker
FURY IS RETIRED! Yeah I’m talking shit, well, why should only Fury be able to do that?
If Fury signs for another fight , I will put him back In my rankings………….behind Usyk at #2.
I am glad that Fury has confirmed he will be fighting again. He should now concentrate on unifying the title and becoming undisputed heavyweight champion.
Allow AJ to get some wins under his belt and take him on then.
Offering to face AJ next seems like a weak and desperate move from Fury when he does not need to. He must know AJ will not accept it.
I agree fury is playing some tricks there but that's the game..Joshua should take on another contender first before going back to the top..
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Usyk
Fury
Joshua
Bakole
Big Baby Miller
The smaller Big Baby
Wilder
DEONTAY WILDER is ready to fight Oleksandr Usyk if Tyson Fury prices himself out of a unification bout.
Fury maintained he would end his retirement if he was paid a record-breaking £500MILLION purse to return.
So it is no wonder talks to face Usyk in the heavyweight division's first four-belt undisputed decider have stalled.
But Wilder, who returns on October 15 against Robert Helenius, has offered himself up as an alternative for the Ukrainian champion.
He said: “If he overprices himself, they know where to find me. £500million is definitely pricing himself out.
“I’m here, Deontay Wilder’s back. I’m here to make the division back strong and exciting again.
“I’m here for all the smoke. But we’ll see what happens. Boxing is a business. It’s strictly a business and you’ve gotta treat it accordingly.
“We’ll see how the business has to be handled for that fight to happen.”
Wilder, 36, faces Helenius, 38, in what will be first bout since losing to Fury in their epic trilogy bout classic last October.
The unbeaten British legend, 34, then knocked out Dillian Whyte, also 34, in what he claimed would be his final fight.
Although plans changed when Usyk, 35, beat Anthony Joshua, 32, for the second time in 11 months and called Fury out afterwards.
But the pound-for-pound star has ruled out any unification until next year after returning to his war-torn home for the first time.
Usyk plans to rest and recover with the loved ones he left for training camp amid Russia's invasion.
But the unpredictable Fury is not willing to wait around and claimed he is set to announce his next fight after making a brief WWE cameo.
He said after WWE's Clash of The Castle last week: “Usyk was calling me out after his last fight with Joshua.
"I’ve replied and said let’s do the fight this year, wherever they want to do it.
“I’ve been waiting for offers from countries to come forward, and all of a sudden Usyk has stated he doesn’t want to fight any more, he wants to fight next year, not this year.
“So, I’m not going to wait around for anybody, I’m announcing a fight next week.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/19708...yk-tyson-fury/
1. Fury
2. Usyk
3. Helenius
4. Ruiz
5. Wilder
6. Big Baby Miller
7. Joshua
8. Joyce
9. Parker
10. Whyte
Usyk
Fury
Joshua
Wilder
Ruiz
Joyce-Parker and the rest of the gaggle. Parker wins he replaces Ruiz.
With the exception of Usyk it feels like the division has been running in place for a year or two now. Joyce and maybe Sanchez have made decent strides.
Curious. Are people putting usyk ahead of fury doing that on the basis he's technically better etc or doing it because they think he'd beat him
I think usyk is a masterful boxer and certainly more skilled than fury I also rate usyks wins over Joshua higher than fury beating wilder(i just don't think wilder is very good), fury did beat an aged Wladimir but so did Joshua so maybe I should rank fury's achievements higher than usyks but i don't think there is a lot of difference.. as for who wins it could go either way, fury could easily lean and maul him to exhaustion but usyk is pretty handy and getting in and out and disrupting and fury has taken a few whacks from boxers worse than usyk.... So in conclusion I have usyk ahead due to my opinion that Joshua is quite a lot better than wilder.
It doesn't matter to me if usyk or fury were ranked number 1, there's not a lot in it for me.
A few variables for me but also like Palmerq I just rate Joshua more accomplished and all around a bigger scalp that Wilder. But also I consider Usyk more technically sound and an all around better boxer than Fury against a more diverse group and body of work but that's just me. Also I tend to put a good deal on the old ask "what have you done lately". Full credit to Fury for taking Wlad while Wlad was on his run though in a hardly watchable and efforted fasion. Joshua followed up albeit with Wlad a year+ older, but also refreshed but that can be subjective. On the side, I put stock into Usyk being a consummate professional in and out of the ring and not an indecisive rambling twat at every single opportunity ;D. Lot's of talk on Wilder v Josuha or Fury v Joshua but clearly for division definition and clarity it's Usyk v Fury I'd like. Fury can call him a middleweight all he'd like but I believe Usyk has more than legitimized his position and I give him a quality chance to beat Fury should Fury ever get serious and show some direction with his future.
aj has accepted tyson's challenge. i doubt it happens in december. tyson will probably retire again before he fights againQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
You're not meant to accept the challenge Joshua. What an idiot,now you've got endure pointless slanted negotiations for a while now.
A good big man Fury beats a good little man Usyk. He ties him up and exhausts him. Joshua did FUCK ALL to exhaust Usyk. Fury will drain him out in 8 rounds and smoke him.
tyson saying the purse split offered is sixty forty. frank warren saying he'll send an offer for the fight in november. wasn't tyson supposed to be fighting in december?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
The Nutjob Fury will ICE Joshua. Literally ice.
What a bottle job Fury is turning out to be.
Usyk
Joshua
Fury
Toss a coin for the rest. Seriously Fury's record of opponents is not great. Wilder's is even worse and while Joshua's opponents are for the most part hardly stellar it is better than Fury's or Wilder's. Fury/Wilder have made themselves seem far more competitive than they really are by avoiding others.
Fury lost to Mcdermott, struggled against Wallin ffs and got knocked on his arse by Cunningham. Usyk is a nightmare for him and he knows it.
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Originally Posted by Beanz
Oh my...
To start off with, dissing lists of opponents on fighters we don't like is everyday fare for us. I do it all the time. ;D
That being said, I'm not gonna argue the point that Joshua's list is better than either Fury's or Wilder's.
But... to say that Wilder's is even worse than Fury's? :rolleyes:
Last Five Opponents of Each (other than each other):
Wilder: Ortiz, Breazeale, Ortiz, Stiverne, Washington
Fury: Whyte, Wallin, Schwarz, Pianeta, Seferi
I'm gonna have to differ on that one.
Fury is the Poster Boy for shitty opponents.
Beanz is just frustrated by Fury antics. First he is retired then want £500 million now that Usyk has turned down the fight he wants a quick fight against AJ.
Eddie will find a reason to not take up the offer as his cash cow would get destroyed by Fury and put the career to an end of poor AJ.
Whyte, Klitschko, Chisora etc Edge Fury ahead of Wilders opponents but I agree that Furys list of opponents are not great. You can only fight who is out there and it is not a great heavyweight batch but there are quite obvious missing opponents on boths list that Joshua has not ducked. Wilder has admitted he ducked Joshua and Fury is no better.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Beanz
Oh my...
To start off with, dissing lists of opponents on fighters we don't like is everyday fare for us. I do it all the time. ;D
That being said, I'm not gonna argue the point that Joshua's list is better than either Fury's or Wilder's.
But... to say that Wilder's is even worse than Fury's? :rolleyes:
Last Five Opponents of Each (other than each other):
Wilder: Ortiz, Breazeale, Ortiz, Stiverne, Washington
Fury: Whyte, Wallin, Schwarz, Pianeta, Seferi
I'm gonna have to differ on that one.
Fury is the Poster Boy for shitty opponents.
Agreed re Furys resume but he's done everything he said and come back from one of the biggest mental and physical breakdowns I've ever known in sport.
He also took on wilder within a few months of being out the ring nearly 3 years when he was nowhere near peak fitness. You could argue the first fight was his best performance of the trilogy given the rust.