Master v TIC v Big J new lineage boxing prediction challenge

tic: 2+6+8+9-1+1-2+6+8+10+8+4+2+3+4+3+6+5+10+5+6+2+13+8-1+3+10+14+7+7 = 166 points
master: 2+2+4+2-1+4+4+5-1+11+4+1+5+5+7+4+9+12+12+2+3+1+7+6+5+5+2+8+3+8 = 141 points
big j: 4+8+12-1+4+2+10+5+1+6+11+6+3+5+2+5+4+7-1+2+4+7+6 = 112 points
titofan: 2 = 2 points


rules:
winner - 1 point
method - points or stoppage - 1 point
correct stoppage round - 1 point
correct decision (ud, sd, md) - 1 point
draw - 5 points
disqualification - 5 points
incorrect winner prediction - -1 point

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round thirty

joshua franco v kazuto ioka two. result: kazuto ioka wud12 joshua franco two
edgar berlanga v jason quigley. result: edgar berlanga wud12 jason quigley
erickson lubin v luis arias. result: erickson lubin ko5 luis arias
fernando david martinez v jade bornea. result: fernando david martinez ko11 jade bornea
carlos adames v julian williams. result: carlos adames ko9 julian williams

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kazuto ioka unanimous decision. correct winner +1, correct method +1, correct exact decision type +1 = 3
edgar berlanga knockout round eight. correct winner +1, incorrect method +0 = 1
erickson lubin unanimous decision. correct winner +1, incorrect method +0 = 1
fernando david martinez unanimous decision. correct winner +1, incorrect method +0 = 1
carlos adames unanimous decision. correct winner +1, incorrect method +0 = 1

total: 159+7 = 166

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Kazuto Ioka UD. correct winner +1, correct method +1, correct exact decision type +1 = 3
Edgar Berlanga KO6. correct winner +1, incorrect method +0 = 1
Erickson Lubin UD. correct winner +1, incorrect method +0 = 1
Fernando David Martinez UD. correct winner +1, incorrect method +0 = 1
Carlos Adames KO4. correct winner +1, correct method +1, incorrect exact round +0 = 2

total: 133+8 = 141

big j
Joshua Franco SD. incorrect winner -1
Edgar Berlanga KO5. correct winner +1, incorrect method +0 = 1
Erickson Lubin UD. correct winner +1, incorrect method +0 = 1
Fernando David Martinez KO11. correct winner +1, correct method +1, correct exact round +1 = 3
Carlos Adames KO12. correct winner +1, correct method +1, incorrect exact round +0 = 2

total: 106+6 = 112

round one

regis prograis v jose zepeda. result: regis prograis wko11
zach parker v john ryder. result: john ryder wrtd5
dillian Whyte v jermaine franklin. result: dillian whyte wmd12

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Regis Prograis UD Jose Zepeda. correct winner +1, incorrect method +0, = 1
Zach Parker KO 11 John Ryder. incorrect winner -1, = -1
Whyte UD Franklin. correct winner +1, correct method +1, incorrect exact decision type +0, = 2

total: 2

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regis knockout round five. correct winner +1, correct method +1, incorrect exact round +0, = 2
zach split decision. incorrect winner -1, = -1
dilian knockout round eight. correct winner +1, incorrect method +0, = 1

total: 2

Add Dillian Whyte vs Jermaine Franklin ?

Regis Prograis UD Jose Zepeda
Zach Parker KO 11 John Ryder

Fixed the title for you.👍

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Fixed the title for you.👍

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Nice to see you involved.

https://thegruelingtruth.com/wp-cont...8b67a2999e.jpg

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Add Dillian Whyte vs Jermaine Franklin ?

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jermaine is a very big underdog on the odds but we can add it if you want. are you a big fan of the movie cars? can we add to the rules a disqualification prediction earns the same as a draw? just so that option is covered if ever needed.

regis knockout round five
zach split decision
dilian knockout round eight

one last thing, if you change your mind on a prediction it must be made in a new post, so our original post of predictions remain unedited

Interesting stuff. What’s the deadline for predictions, to weigh in or by bell and such? One thing that’s fallen by the wayside too are sig and name bets ;D. Be nice to have more major fights for it.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Interesting stuff. What’s the deadline for predictions, to weigh in or by bell and such? One thing that’s fallen by the wayside too are sig and name bets ;D. Be nice to have more major fights for it.

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you are more than welcome to join, i don't think there will be any objections, the more the merrier. the original agreement was forty eight hours before a fight to get your predictions in. as this contest is starting on short notice it can be a closer to fight time. i think i'm about a day ahead of some of you, so i think going forth at least a day ahead of the fight should be sufficient. good luck if you choose to join

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Originally Posted by Master

Add Dillian Whyte vs Jermaine Franklin ?

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jermaine is a very big underdog on the odds but we can add it if you want. are you a big fan of the movie cars? can we add to the rules a disqualification prediction earns the same as a draw? just so that option is covered if ever needed.

regis knockout round five
zach split decision
dilian knockout round eight

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Agreed on disqualification rule.

Whyte UD Franklin

round two

troy williamson v josh kelly. result: josh kelly wud12
juan francisco estrada v roman gonzalez. result: juan francisco estrada wsd12
tyson fury v derek chisora. result: tyson fury wtko10
daniel dubois v kevin lerena. result: daniel dubois wtko3

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Troy Williamson KO 7 Josh Kelly. incorrect winner -1 = -1
Roman Gonzalez SD Juan Francisco Estrada. incorrect winner -1 =-1
Tyson Fury KO6 Derek Chisora. correct winner +1, correct method +1, incorrect exact round +0 = 2
Daniel Dubois KO8 Kevin Lerena. correct winner +1, correct method +1, incorrect exact round +0 = 2

total: 2+2 = 4

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josh kelly unanimous decision. correct winner +1, correct method +1, correct exact decision type +1 = 3
chocolatito unanimous decision. incorrect winner -1 = -1
tyson fury knockout round ten. correct winner +1, correct method +1, correct exact round +1 = 3
daniel dubois unanimous decision. correct winner +1, incorrect method +0 = 1

total: 2+6 = 8

So, it was a draw 2-2 for the first week.

Ryder was an upset for both of us. You got Regis stoppage, and I got Whyte by decision.

Troy Williamson KO 7 Josh Kelly
Roman Gonzalez SD Juan Francisco Estrada
Tyson Fury KO6 Derek Chisora
Daniel Dubois KO8 Kevin Lerena

josh kelly unanimous decision
chocolatito unanimous decision
tyson fury knockout round ten
daniel dubois unanimous decision

Exact round being worth a point brings a bit more luck than knowledge into it. Breaking it up into grouping rounds 1-6 “early”, 7-9”mid”, 10-12 “late” would play more towards understanding how a fight will play out, “predictive knowledge” than luck. Just a suggestion that would help determine who really understands these fights better

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Exact round being worth a point brings a bit more luck than knowledge into it. Breaking it up into grouping rounds 1-6 “early”, 7-9”mid”, 10-12 “late” would play more towards understanding how a fight will play out, “predictive knowledge” than luck. Just a suggestion that would help determine who really understands these fights better

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good suggestion, i was thinking something like a round either side of predicted round counts or gets a half point or something. i also think make your prediction after the weigh in is better than forty eight hours before the fight. my original challenge to primo carnera was spare of the moment, so the basic rules were just thrown together. primo carnera ducked my challenge by refusing to predict on a lineal/ ring belt fight, then a challenge was issued to myself, so the basic rules just followed on. unfortunately only two members showed interest to participate, so i doubt the contest will continue after june but i'll always be open to a challenge

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Exact round being worth a point brings a bit more luck than knowledge into it. Breaking it up into grouping rounds 1-6 “early”, 7-9”mid”, 10-12 “late” would play more towards understanding how a fight will play out, “predictive knowledge” than luck. Just a suggestion that would help determine who really understands these fights better

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good suggestion, i was thinking something like a round either side of predicted round counts or gets a half point or something. i also think make your prediction after the weigh in is better than forty eight hours before the fight. my original challenge to primo carnera was spare of the moment, so the basic rules were just thrown together. primo carnera ducked my challenge by refusing to predict on a lineal/ ring belt fight, then a challenge was issued to myself, so the basic rules just followed on. unfortunately only two members showed interest to participate, so i doubt the contest will continue after june but i'll always be open to a challenge

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I prefer closest round either side as it covers Ron's point about breaking the rounds into groups anyway.

round three

terence crawford v david avanesyan. result: terence crawford wko6
teofimo lopez v sandor martin. result: teofimo lopez wsd10
josh warrington v luis alberto lopez. result: luis alberto lopez wmd12
naoya inoue v paul butler. result: naoya inoue wko11

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Terence Crawford UD David Avanesyan. correct winner +1, incorrect method +0 = 1
Teofimo Lopez UD Sandor Martin. correct winner +1, correct method +1, incorrect exact decision type +0 = 2
Josh Warrington SD Luis Alberto Lopez. incorrect winner -1 = -1
Naoya Inoue KO3 Paul Butler. correct winner +1, correct method +1, incorrect exact round +0 = 2

total: 4+4 = 8

tic
terence crawford knockout round ten. correct winner+1. correct method +1, incorrect exact round +0 = 2
teofimo lopez unanimous decision. correct winner +1, correct method +1, incorrect exact decision type +0 = 2
luis alberto lopez split decision. correct winner +1, correct method +1, incorrect exact decision type +0 = 2
naoya inoue knockout round two. correct winner +1, correct method +1, incorrect exact round +0 = 2

total: 8+8 = 16

Terence Crawford UD David Avanesyan
Teofimo Lopez UD Sandor Martin
Josh Warrington SD Luis Alberto Lopez
Naoya Inoue KO3 Paul Butler

terence crawford knockout round ten
teofimo lopez unanimous decision
luis alberto lopez split decision
naoya inoue knockout round two

The person who predicts first should have the privilege of the opponent not to be able to copy the exact prediction as it is a disadvantage to go first from now on.

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Originally Posted by Master

The person who predicts first should have the privilege of the opponent not to be able to copy the exact prediction as it is a disadvantage to go first from now on.

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it's only been two rounds & you're already making excuses? i asked you in post number thirty four of the other challenge thread if you want to select someone to send our predictions to, your reply in post number thirty five was i have nothing to hide
https://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfo...a-v-tic-3.html

i'm sure you are not accusing me of copying your predictions, i took josh kelly last week as the underdog & have even chosen luis alberto lopez this week, another underdog. no one has made you make your predictions first, i have posted fights & asked if you were okay with them, because there might be fights you want to add, like you did with dillian's fight in the first week. the only exact prediction we have had so far is the upcoming teofimo fight. your idea is not great because sometimes we will have the same feeling about a fight, but i understand your concerns, i could just copy every one of your predictions if you post them first & hold my lead to the end, as you can see i had no intention of doing that by choosing the underdog luis alberto lopez this week. here are my suggestions on what we could do

my suggestions
we void this weeks fights as both have been posted publicly & you have only raised this issue now after falling behind
we ask spicoli if he is happy to receive our predictions by private message & then post them in the thread once he has received both
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the player in the lead must post his predictions first
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we flagged the current challenge & come back in the new year with refined rules, i'd like to add that knockout thing we spoke of about either side of the round predicted, maybe something for backing the underdog & to slightly adjust the point scoring system (maybe increase it to two points for exact round of knockout & exact decision type for example, half a point for a knockout on either side of the exact round a knockout was predicted, maybe an extra point in a face off to the correct prediction if we have chosen opposite fighters for example)

at the very least i think this weeks predictions should be voided while we decide the best course of action

It is not an excuse just a suggestion. I am not accusing you of copying or playing it strategically.

I am just saying the first person that predicts a specific fight like UD then the other person can not do the exact same prediction they can go SD or MD.

Keep going, this is enjoyable and very simple. No need to void this week.

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It is not an excuse just a suggestion. I am not accusing you of copying or playing it strategically.

I am just saying the first person that predicts a specific fight like UD then the other person can not do the exact same prediction they can go SD or MD.

Keep going, this is enjoyable and very simple. No need to void this week.

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i was only kidding about the excuses. i think taking away a players ability to make a certain prediction limits the contest, sometimes we might make the same prediction. i would suggest from the next round that whoever is in the lead must post their predictions first, so whoever posts fights for the week just has to confirm if the other player doesn't want anything added, then the player in the lead must post their predictions first

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It is not an excuse just a suggestion. I am not accusing you of copying or playing it strategically.

I am just saying the first person that predicts a specific fight like UD then the other person can not do the exact same prediction they can go SD or MD.

Keep going, this is enjoyable and very simple. No need to void this week.

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i was only kidding about the excuses. i think taking away a players ability to make a certain prediction limits the contest, sometimes we might make the same prediction. i would suggest from the next round that whoever is in the lead must post their predictions first, so whoever posts fights for the week just has to confirm if the other player doesn't want anything added, then the player in the lead must post their predictions first

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OK but still think it is not too much trouble to not have the same exact prediction as there is only 2 of us.

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It is not an excuse just a suggestion. I am not accusing you of copying or playing it strategically.

I am just saying the first person that predicts a specific fight like UD then the other person can not do the exact same prediction they can go SD or MD.

Keep going, this is enjoyable and very simple. No need to void this week.

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i was only kidding about the excuses. i think taking away a players ability to make a certain prediction limits the contest, sometimes we might make the same prediction. i would suggest from the next round that whoever is in the lead must post their predictions first, so whoever posts fights for the week just has to confirm if the other player doesn't want anything added, then the player in the lead must post their predictions first

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OK but still think it is not too much trouble to not have the same exact prediction as there is only 2 of us.

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it's a prediction contest, you should be able to make any kind of prediction on the outcome

When there only 2 of us then my suggestion is first predictor gets first dibs. It is not that controversial if I predict KO 7 you can pick KO6 or 8 Instead.

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When there only 2 of us then my suggestion is first predictor gets first dibs. It is not that controversial if I predict KO 7 you can pick KO6 or 8 Instead.

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it's a contest to test our prediction abilities, restricting a player from making a prediction type won't be an accurate reflection of the players predictions

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When there only 2 of us then my suggestion is first predictor gets first dibs. It is not that controversial if I predict KO 7 you can pick KO6 or 8 Instead.

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it's a contest to test our prediction abilities, restricting a player from making a prediction type won't be an accurate reflection of the players predictions

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I disagree and it was only a suggestion. So fine with carrying on.

round four

nikolai potapov v vincent astrolabio. result: vincent astrolabio wko6
jose uzcategui v vladimir shishkin. result: vladimir shishkin wud12
michel rivera v frank martin. result: frank martin wud12
mahmoud charr v lucas browne. cancelled
chris billam-smith v armend xhoxhaj. result: chris billam-smith wko5

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vincent astrolabio split decision. correct winner +1, incorrect method +0, incorrect exact decision type +0 = 1
vladimir shishkin unanimous decision. correct winner +1, correct method +1, correct exact decision type + 1 = 3
frank martin unanimous decision. correct winner +1, correct method +1, correct exact decision type +1 = 3
lucas browne knockout round five. cancelled
chris billam-smith knockout round eight. correct winner +1, correct method +1, incorrect exact round +0 = 2

total: 16+9 = 25

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Nicolai Potapov UD Vincent Astrolabio. incorrect winner -1 = -1
Vladimir Shishkin MD Jose Uzcategui. correct winner +1, correct method +1, incorrect exact decision type +0 = 2
Michel Rivera KO8 Frank Martin. incorrect winner -1 = -1
Mahmoud Charr KO 6 Lucas Browne. cancelled
Chris Billam-Smith KO 10. correct winner +1, correct method +1, incorrect exact round +0 = 2

total: 8+2 = 10

You go first.

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You go first.

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just checking you didn't want to add anything

vincent astrolabio split decision
vladimir shishkin unanimous decision
frank martin unanimous decision
lucas browne knockout round five

Nicolai Potapov UD Vincent Astrolabio
Vladimir Shishkin MD Jose Uzcategui
Michel Rivera KO8 Frank Martin
Mahmoud Charr KO 6 Lucas Browne

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Nicolai Potapov UD Vincent Astrolabio
Vladimir Shishkin MD Jose Uzcategui
Michel Rivera KO8 Frank Martin
Mahmoud Charr KO 6 Lucas Browne

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solid picks. i can't fault any of them, even though we only have one similar. those other three fights have the potential to go either way. big round. good luck

the lucas browne v mahmoud charr fight is off

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the lucas browne v mahmoud charr fight is off

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That would have been entertaining.

Want to add Chris Billam-Smith v Armend Xhoxhaj?

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the lucas browne v mahmoud charr fight is off

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Want to add Chris Billam-Smith v Armend Xhoxhaj?

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sure, chris billam-smith knockout round eight

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the lucas browne v mahmoud charr fight is off

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Want to add Chris Billam-Smith v Armend Xhoxhaj?

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sure, chris billam-smith knockout round eight

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Chris Billam-Smith KO 10

round five

kazuto ioka v joshua franco. result: majority draw

tic
kazuto ioka unanimous decision. incorrect winner -1 = -1

total: 25-1 = 24

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Kazuto Ioka MD Joshua Franco. incorrect winner -1 = -1

total: 10-1 = 9