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Will Wilder-Joshua EVER happen??
First off... let's not go into the usual rants about "who ducked whom" in the past. I'm only interested in the future.
Let's address the white elephant in the room.
Let Tyson Fury fight the Derek Chisoras of the world, and continue to flap his gums non-stop.
People want to see Wilder vs Joshua.
People don't want to see a heavyweight version of Crawford-Spence. One of those is more than enough. :vd:
Let's examine this one...
Both are currently out of the HW title picture. AJ has lost twice in a row to Usyk... while Wilder lost his last two encounters with Fury.
Neither are over-the-hill... and both are still huge draws.
People have wanted Wilder-Joshua since Day One. They STILL do.
Wilder-Joshua would definitely be fan friendly. Their styles make this an absolute certainty.
So let's quit pussy-footing around!!
Forget Joshua-Ruiz III. Nobody wants to see that.
Just like nobody wants to see Joshua-Usyk III, or Wilder-Fury IV.
Let's get Wilder and Joshua in the ring together.
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https://www.sportingnews.com/uk/boxi...gyhw8cerj5yeeu
"Anthony Joshua: Deontay Wilder fight will happen, probably in 2023"
This... to me... is right now in "Your Check is in the Mail" category. :rolleyes: :cool:
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I think Wilder v Joshua will happen but after the titles have been broken and fractured.
Fury will beat Usyk, then AJ.
After that AJ will take on Wilder probably in 2023.
It will be 50/50 fight and will not last no more than 3 rounds.
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Master
I think Wilder v Joshua will happen but after the titles have been broken and fractured.
Fury will beat Usyk, then AJ.
After that AJ will take on Wilder probably in 2023.
It will be 50/50 fight and will not last no more than 3 rounds.
The sentences...
"Fury will beat Usyk, then AJ.
After that AJ will take on Wilder probably in 2023."
...don't seem to go together for me. :)
First we're assuming that Fury-Usyk will go off without a hitch or delay or some other theatrics by Fury, who changes his mind more than he changes his underwear.
So if AJ is waiting on that fight in order to make a Fury-Joshua fight... he might be waiting a LOOONG time.
Second... if what you're saying DOES occur and Fury-Joshua happens... what happens if Fury blows Joshua away?
Wilder then might not be willing to fight a 4-time defeated Joshua after that.
If by some chance Joshua were to beat Fury... then Joshua will probably decide he doesn't NEED to risk it all against Wilder.
So no... I don't see that happening at all. ;D
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I think the timetable does fit.
Fury KO8 Usyk Feb/March for Undisputed title which disintegrate and dispersed for Joyce et al to pick up titles.
AJ KO 4 Whyte April pick up alphabet strap
Wilder KO 3 Ruiz April pick up alphabet strap and defends it successfully in the summer/autumn.
Fury KO10 Joshua Summer and retires after 1 send off fight.
Wilder will avoid Fury as he has effectively been beaten by him 3 times.
AJ is damaged goods and takes the opportunity to take Wilder after another warm up against Chisora Autumn or for a belt. AJ is a money fight for Wilder and thinks he can cash in on him early 2023.
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Re: Will Wilder-Joshua EVER happen??
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TitoFan
First off... let's not go into the usual rants about "who ducked whom" in the past. I'm only interested in the future.
Let's address the white elephant in the room.
Let Tyson Fury fight the Derek Chisoras of the world, and continue to flap his gums non-stop.
People want to see Wilder vs Joshua.
People don't want to see a heavyweight version of Crawford-Spence. One of those is more than enough. :vd:
Let's examine this one...
Both are currently out of the HW title picture. AJ has lost twice in a row to Usyk... while Wilder lost his last two encounters with Fury.
Neither are over-the-hill... and both are still huge draws.
People have wanted Wilder-Joshua since Day One. They STILL do.
Wilder-Joshua would definitely be fan friendly. Their styles make this an absolute certainty.
So let's quit pussy-footing around!!
Forget Joshua-Ruiz III. Nobody wants to see that.
Just like nobody wants to see Joshua-Usyk III, or Wilder-Fury IV.
Let's get Wilder and Joshua in the ring together.
You might say Wilder v Joshua is a huge draw, a more analytical statement would be that they both have no chance against Fury or Usyck and are completely over hyped by the promotions/media/middle east money establishment, making money out of deadbeats until the next generation replace Fury/Usyck.
Sorry to sit on the fence.
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Re: Will Wilder-Joshua EVER happen??
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nuggetdotcom
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TitoFan
First off... let's not go into the usual rants about "who ducked whom" in the past. I'm only interested in the future.
Let's address the white elephant in the room.
Let Tyson Fury fight the Derek Chisoras of the world, and continue to flap his gums non-stop.
People want to see Wilder vs Joshua.
People don't want to see a heavyweight version of Crawford-Spence. One of those is more than enough. :vd:
Let's examine this one...
Both are currently out of the HW title picture. AJ has lost twice in a row to Usyk... while Wilder lost his last two encounters with Fury.
Neither are over-the-hill... and both are still huge draws.
People have wanted Wilder-Joshua since Day One. They STILL do.
Wilder-Joshua would definitely be fan friendly. Their styles make this an absolute certainty.
So let's quit pussy-footing around!!
Forget Joshua-Ruiz III. Nobody wants to see that.
Just like nobody wants to see Joshua-Usyk III, or Wilder-Fury IV.
Let's get Wilder and Joshua in the ring together.
You might say Wilder v Joshua is a huge draw, a more analytical statement would be that they both have no chance against Fury or Usyck and are completely over hyped by the promotions/media/middle east money establishment, making money out of deadbeats until the next generation replace Fury/Usyck.
Sorry to sit on the fence.
Fury himself has made a career fighting deadbeats, look at his record without Wilder and it is shockingly bad. Wilder for all the fodder in his record has fought Fury three times now and Joshua has just fought Usyck twice. That puts Wilder and Joshua firmly in place as the other two top draws in a top pack of four. The AJ/Wilder fight itself would be pretty huge and whatever you think of their ability, Wilder v Usyk would be pretty big and Joshua v Fury would be even bigger.
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Not much to contribute I guess but I'm ok without Aj vs Wilder at this point. They both mucked around and watched it pass them by and were convincingly beat for their troubles. I want to see AJ get his footing back first, prior to Fury, Wilder, Usyk neighborhood. Whole new trainer coming in. Again. For entertainment purposes I'd like Wilder vs Joyce :fight:
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Re: Will Wilder-Joshua EVER happen??
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Beanz
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nuggetdotcom
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TitoFan
First off... let's not go into the usual rants about "who ducked whom" in the past. I'm only interested in the future.
Let's address the white elephant in the room.
Let Tyson Fury fight the Derek Chisoras of the world, and continue to flap his gums non-stop.
People want to see Wilder vs Joshua.
People don't want to see a heavyweight version of Crawford-Spence. One of those is more than enough. :vd:
Let's examine this one...
Both are currently out of the HW title picture. AJ has lost twice in a row to Usyk... while Wilder lost his last two encounters with Fury.
Neither are over-the-hill... and both are still huge draws.
People have wanted Wilder-Joshua since Day One. They STILL do.
Wilder-Joshua would definitely be fan friendly. Their styles make this an absolute certainty.
So let's quit pussy-footing around!!
Forget Joshua-Ruiz III. Nobody wants to see that.
Just like nobody wants to see Joshua-Usyk III, or Wilder-Fury IV.
Let's get Wilder and Joshua in the ring together.
You might say Wilder v Joshua is a huge draw, a more analytical statement would be that they both have no chance against Fury or Usyck and are completely over hyped by the promotions/media/middle east money establishment, making money out of deadbeats until the next generation replace Fury/Usyck.
Sorry to sit on the fence.
Fury himself has made a career fighting deadbeats, look at his record without Wilder and it is shockingly bad. Wilder for all the fodder in his record has fought Fury three times now and Joshua has just fought Usyck twice. That puts Wilder and Joshua firmly in place as the other two top draws in a top pack of four. The AJ/Wilder fight itself would be pretty huge and whatever you think of their ability, Wilder v Usyk would be pretty big and Joshua v Fury would be even bigger.
If fury is shit then why give wilder credit for fighting him three times.
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Wilder versus Joyce is the best one at the moment
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NoSavingByTheBell
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Originally Posted by
Beanz
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Originally Posted by
nuggetdotcom
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
First off... let's not go into the usual rants about "who ducked whom" in the past. I'm only interested in the future.
Let's address the white elephant in the room.
Let Tyson Fury fight the Derek Chisoras of the world, and continue to flap his gums non-stop.
People want to see Wilder vs Joshua.
People don't want to see a heavyweight version of Crawford-Spence. One of those is more than enough. :vd:
Let's examine this one...
Both are currently out of the HW title picture. AJ has lost twice in a row to Usyk... while Wilder lost his last two encounters with Fury.
Neither are over-the-hill... and both are still huge draws.
People have wanted Wilder-Joshua since Day One. They STILL do.
Wilder-Joshua would definitely be fan friendly. Their styles make this an absolute certainty.
So let's quit pussy-footing around!!
Forget Joshua-Ruiz III. Nobody wants to see that.
Just like nobody wants to see Joshua-Usyk III, or Wilder-Fury IV.
Let's get Wilder and Joshua in the ring together.
You might say Wilder v Joshua is a huge draw, a more analytical statement would be that they both have no chance against Fury or Usyck and are completely over hyped by the promotions/media/middle east money establishment, making money out of deadbeats until the next generation replace Fury/Usyck.
Sorry to sit on the fence.
Fury himself has made a career fighting deadbeats, look at his record without Wilder and it is shockingly bad. Wilder for all the fodder in his record has fought Fury three times now and Joshua has just fought Usyck twice. That puts Wilder and Joshua firmly in place as the other two top draws in a top pack of four. The AJ/Wilder fight itself would be pretty huge and whatever you think of their ability, Wilder v Usyk would be pretty big and Joshua v Fury would be even bigger.
If fury is shit then why give wilder credit for fighting him three times.
Fury list of opponents is shit, as are Wilder's. AJ Wilder should have happened years ago and Wilder has admitted he avoided Joshua, but at least he fought 'the man' instead.
Fury loves an easy fight.
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I'm doubting any of these fights with the top guys will happen. I saw something yesterday saying Usyk must face Dubois.
It really is pathetic isn't it. Gone are the days of fighting 3 or 4 times a year.
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Becoming undisputed champion for either Fury or Usyk is the priority for boxing. It carries the most money, legacy for the boxers, and ensures the decency of boxing. The mandatory’s will get their opportunity after the titles are dispersed which is what happened after it was last unified by Lennox.
The next biggest fight is Fury v AJ which can still be made but AJ looks too confused and lost.
Wilder v AJ is still a big fight but AJ will only take it as a last resort. After all the above scenarios have occurred I can see it happen but it is a long shot.
Big matchups still happen way after their best sell by date. Lennox v Morrison, Holyfield v Mercer, and Tyson v Holyfield.
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Master
Becoming undisputed champion for either Fury or Usyk is the priority for boxing. It carries the most money, legacy for the boxers, and ensures the decency of boxing. The mandatory’s will get their opportunity after the titles are dispersed which is what happened after it was last unified by Lennox.
The next biggest fight is Fury v AJ which can still be made but AJ looks too confused and lost.
Wilder v AJ is still a big fight but AJ will only take it as a last resort. After all the above scenarios have occurred I can see it happen but it is a long shot.
Big matchups still happen way after their best sell by date. Lennox v Morrison, Holyfield v Mercer, and Tyson v Holyfield.
I'd say we're well past the stage of getting to undisputed champion is a priority. Fighters should just have to concentrate on beating the best - politics does not allow it.
I'd love two fighters brave enough to say fuck the belts we'll get it on anyway. I've ignored different champions for some time and gone by the Ring champion.
A unified championship would be split before one of them makes a defence - we all know it. How does that ensure the decency of boxing.
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Does not matter as much about defending the undisputed and unified title than achieving it. There are too many belts to be able to defend them successfully anyway.
Boxing has to aspire to have one champion and if it can be achieved which it can on this occasion then it will happen.
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its bollocks and you know it
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Mark TKO
its bollocks and you know it
We are nearly there, after many years, for either Fury or Usyk to become undisputed champion which is a priority.
The 2 best fighters will fight one another. It's a win for boxing. The winner will become the "Man" who everyone else has to beat regardless of what happens afterwards to the belts.
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If you had to put your house on yes we'll get there or no it won't happen what would you play....
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Mark TKO
If you had to put your house on yes we'll get there or no it won't happen what would you play....
Yes we will get the Undisputed fight between Fury v Usyk next. Both want it and no promoters will get in the way.
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Master
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Mark TKO
If you had to put your house on yes we'll get there or no it won't happen what would you play....
Yes we will get the Undisputed fight between Fury v Usyk next. Both want it and no promoters will get in the way.
you'll need this
https://www.travelodge.co.uk/
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Master
Does not matter as much about defending the undisputed and unified title than achieving it. There are too many belts to be able to defend them successfully anyway.
Boxing has to aspire to have one champion and if it can be achieved which it can on this occasion then it will happen.
When was the last time you saw a surprise outcome in a HW title fight (don't say Usyck Joshua)
When was the last time you saw a HW title fight that could have gone either way, and was followed by an obligatory rematch
When was the last time you placed your bum on an expensive seat for a HW title fight
The answers to the above questions will explain why pub fighting (aka MMA/UFC etc.) is taking over the mainstream
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nuggetdotcom
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Originally Posted by
Master
Does not matter as much about defending the undisputed and unified title than achieving it. There are too many belts to be able to defend them successfully anyway.
Boxing has to aspire to have one champion and if it can be achieved which it can on this occasion then it will happen.
When was the last time you saw a surprise outcome in a HW title fight (don't say Usyck Joshua)
When was the last time you saw a HW title fight that could have gone either way, and was followed by an obligatory rematch
When was the last time you placed your bum on an expensive seat for a HW title fight
The answers to the above questions will explain why pub fighting (aka MMA/UFC etc.) is taking over the mainstream
Usyk beating Joshua
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I remember you were certain Joshua would win so fair enough.
Many weren't surprised mind
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Mark TKO
I remember you were certain Joshua would win so fair enough.
Many weren't surprised mind
The minority were not surprised. It was an upset at the time.
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nuggetdotcom
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Master
Does not matter as much about defending the undisputed and unified title than achieving it. There are too many belts to be able to defend them successfully anyway.
Boxing has to aspire to have one champion and if it can be achieved which it can on this occasion then it will happen.
When was the last time you saw a surprise outcome in a HW title fight (don't say Usyck Joshua)
When was the last time you saw a HW title fight that could have gone either way, and was followed by an obligatory rematch
When was the last time you placed your bum on an expensive seat for a HW title fight
The answers to the above questions will explain why
pub fighting (aka MMA/UFC etc.) is taking over the mainstream
;D
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Master
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Mark TKO
I remember you were certain Joshua would win so fair enough.
Many weren't surprised mind
The minority were not surprised. It was an upset at the time.
It might have been a surprise to you , but it wasn’t a surprise to most. And did you “put your bum on an expensive seat?”
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Primo Carnera
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Master
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Mark TKO
I remember you were certain Joshua would win so fair enough.
Many weren't surprised mind
The minority were not surprised. It was an upset at the time.
It might have been a surprise to you , but it wasn’t a surprise to most. And did you “put your bum on an expensive seat?”
AJ was favourite. Stop rewriting history.
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Master
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Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Mark TKO
I remember you were certain Joshua would win so fair enough.
Many weren't surprised mind
The minority were not surprised. It was an upset at the time.
It might have been a surprise to you , but it wasn’t a surprise to most. And did you “put your bum on an expensive seat?”
AJ was favourite. Stop rewriting history.
He was favourite, But it wasn’t a surprise. And you can ignore the other part if you like, crack on. It was part of the question.
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Primo Carnera
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Master
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Mark TKO
I remember you were certain Joshua would win so fair enough.
Many weren't surprised mind
The minority were not surprised. It was an upset at the time.
It might have been a surprise to you , but it wasn’t a surprise to most. And did you “put your bum on an expensive seat?”
AJ was favourite. Stop rewriting history.
He was favourite, But it wasn’t a surprise. And you can ignore the other part if you like, crack on. It was part of the question.
The fact that he was not favourite by its definition does make it a surprise.
Not ignoring the question. I do not know what it means. You explain it to me if you wish.
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Master
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Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Mark TKO
I remember you were certain Joshua would win so fair enough.
Many weren't surprised mind
The minority were not surprised. It was an upset at the time.
It might have been a surprise to you , but it wasn’t a surprise to most. And did you “put your bum on an expensive seat?”
AJ was favourite. Stop rewriting history.
He was favourite, But it wasn’t a surprise. And you can ignore the other part if you like, crack on. It was part of the question.
The fact that he was not favourite by its definition does make it a surprise.
Not ignoring the question. I do not know what it means. You explain it to me if you wish.
It means the last time you were ringside or went to a big show. Don’t ask me why, I never asked the original question , and quite frankly after taking 20 posts to get a straight answer out of you , I’m losing the will to live!
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Just checked and I've not been to a fight for 13 years. Doubt I will again. Would never do a stadium fight.
So I've kind of retired
Posted this originally in the football thread somehow....
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Primo Carnera
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Master
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Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Mark TKO
I remember you were certain Joshua would win so fair enough.
Many weren't surprised mind
The minority were not surprised. It was an upset at the time.
It might have been a surprise to you , but it wasn’t a surprise to most. And did you “put your bum on an expensive seat?”
AJ was favourite. Stop rewriting history.
He was favourite, But it wasn’t a surprise. And you can ignore the other part if you like, crack on. It was part of the question.
The fact that he was not favourite by its definition does make it a surprise.
Not ignoring the question. I do not know what it means. You explain it to me if you wish.
It means the last time you were ringside or went to a big show. Don’t ask me why, I never asked the original question , and quite frankly after taking 20 posts to get a straight answer out of you , I’m losing the will to live!
Never been. Bought PPV but not for a long time now.
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Master
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nuggetdotcom
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Master
Does not matter as much about defending the undisputed and unified title than achieving it. There are too many belts to be able to defend them successfully anyway.
Boxing has to aspire to have one champion and if it can be achieved which it can on this occasion then it will happen.
When was the last time you saw a surprise outcome in a HW title fight (don't say Usyck Joshua)
When was the last time you saw a HW title fight that could have gone either way, and was followed by an obligatory rematch
When was the last time you placed your bum on an expensive seat for a HW title fight
The answers to the above questions will explain why pub fighting (aka MMA/UFC etc.) is taking over the mainstream
Usyk beating Joshua
With all due respect if you think Usyck was a 'surprise' win, let me know if you ever get a job with a bookmaker. Tight verdict, even controversial was the game plan, with the draw in reserve. Usyck cleverly (some would say routinely) made it impossible for the fix to come in by doing a Buster Mathis on slow-witted Joshua, TWICE. Happy Christmas.
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NoSavingByTheBell
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Beanz
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nuggetdotcom
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TitoFan
First off... let's not go into the usual rants about "who ducked whom" in the past. I'm only interested in the future.
Let's address the white elephant in the room.
Let Tyson Fury fight the Derek Chisoras of the world, and continue to flap his gums non-stop.
People want to see Wilder vs Joshua.
People don't want to see a heavyweight version of Crawford-Spence. One of those is more than enough. :vd:
Let's examine this one...
Both are currently out of the HW title picture. AJ has lost twice in a row to Usyk... while Wilder lost his last two encounters with Fury.
Neither are over-the-hill... and both are still huge draws.
People have wanted Wilder-Joshua since Day One. They STILL do.
Wilder-Joshua would definitely be fan friendly. Their styles make this an absolute certainty.
So let's quit pussy-footing around!!
Forget Joshua-Ruiz III. Nobody wants to see that.
Just like nobody wants to see Joshua-Usyk III, or Wilder-Fury IV.
Let's get Wilder and Joshua in the ring together.
You might say Wilder v Joshua is a huge draw, a more analytical statement would be that they both have no chance against Fury or Usyck and are completely over hyped by the promotions/media/middle east money establishment, making money out of deadbeats until the next generation replace Fury/Usyck.
Sorry to sit on the fence.
Fury himself has made a career fighting deadbeats, look at his record without Wilder and it is shockingly bad. Wilder for all the fodder in his record has fought Fury three times now and Joshua has just fought Usyck twice. That puts Wilder and Joshua firmly in place as the other two top draws in a top pack of four. The AJ/Wilder fight itself would be pretty huge and whatever you think of their ability, Wilder v Usyk would be pretty big and Joshua v Fury would be even bigger.
If fury is shit then why give wilder credit for fighting him three times.
Fury list of opponents is shit, as are Wilder's. AJ Wilder should have happened years ago and Wilder has admitted he avoided Joshua, but at least he fought 'the man' instead.
Fury loves an easy fight.
If he's the man, I guess that means he's good. I don't think anybody can beat Fury. Even the cream of the crop heavyweights from the 1970s and '80s and '90s would have a hard time. Guys like razor ruddick could never do it. Tommy Morrison would get completely out classed. Pink lon Thomas, Tim Witherspoon, Mike Weaver, fury would just toy with these guys.
Only Lennox Lewis and Riddick bowe and a prime Larry Holmes, a prime George Foreman would really stand the chance of beating fury
Now do another pumpkin ale review. It was epic and I wish we could see it again. Even dark lord loved that review and mentioned it a few months back. It's the season
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Mark TKO
I remember you were certain Joshua would win so fair enough.
Many weren't surprised mind
He wouldn't listen to me. I told him that Joshua would lose. I told everybody that Joshua wasn't much of a fighter about five or six years ago. I told everybody that Tyson fury was the man. Only Ross and I were right about Tyson fury. Everybody else just said he wouldn't be much. So I correctly predicted the career trajectories of Anthony Joshua and Tyson fury.
It's true that Master was a little bit too high about Anthony Joshua. Beans also got to wrapped up in the politics of it all when it came to Anthony Joshua and overestimated his value as a boxer
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In answer to my original question to Master...... My own answers
When was the last time you saw a surprise outcome in a HW title fight (don't say Usyck Joshua)
Tyson Douglas, although we are led to beleive cocaine was responsible
When was the last time you saw a HW title fight that could have gone either way, and was followed by an obligatory rematch
Tyson Holyfield
When was the last time you placed your bum on an expensive seat for a HW title fight
Haye Klitschko in Hamburg, it was worth the flight and hotel money to be treated well by the promoter as a customer. The fight with Valuev for an alphabet title was even better organised in Nurnburg, I beleive Saurland was the promoter but could be wrong.
Since Christmas is coming up its time for me to stop sitting on the fence and say what I really think, as an ageing boxing fan who has supported every British HW champ in their quests for world titles controlled by the boxing mafia.
Both Wilder and Joshua are media/promoter created manufactured fighters who couldn't box kippers, they were brought through on a diet of also ran opponents until they could get into a ring with the main promoters men, only to then join an exclusive pantomime.
Fighters like Fury and Usyck are born, not made by some over the hill trainer on a percentage. Fury is clever enough to commercially exploit his situation as a genuine world No. 1, Usyck is just so amazed at how bloody useless the HW 'opposition' is and can't beleive his luck, he would benefit from Fury's advisers to maximise his income.
There, I've said it
Merry Christmas and a happy new year
