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Benn had much better skills than Collins could ever dream about, but how come Benn both times they fought quitted?
Was Benn just a quitter or was he afraid of Collins; power, chin, determination and heart?
What do you think made Benn one of histories biggest quitters?
Benn was thinking of retiring post McClellan.
He could get away with that attitude with a Vincenzo Nardiello or Danny Perez, but against 'Sugarboy' Malinga or Steve Collins, the most brutal sport found out its man.
Benn respected the sport post Watson, big time, up to the McClellan, then he lost his edge, thus you have the Collins fights. ;)
I have little time for Steve Collins, but I do respect him, as he does respect the sport, he knew when to call it a day, even though it cost a big pay day against Calzaghe.
i guess you haven't witnessed the first fight, Nigel was physically unable to fight due to a bady sprained ankleQuote:
Originally Posted by New Wind
Benn quit against Collins cuz he was knackered and knew it was his last fight . Collins quit agaisnt Calzaghe too but that was before the 1st bell
Benn quit.
He just took the 2 Collins fights for the money.
Still a great fighter, but he knew he was through and didnt want to take the pain.
i was there that night for Benn Collins II and was pretty pissed off like the rest of the crowd that such a great and exciting fighter like Benn was bowing out on his stool. He should never have took the fight and should have treated the Nardiello fight as a farewell.
Was not a big Collins fan but to his credit he took the mic and defended Nigel after the bout - admitting that Benn wasn't the fighter of 2 years before.
At their peaks I think Nigel would have won late on - would have been a cracker thats for sure
Benn one of histories biggest quitters!!! Don't be daft! Try taking a closer look over his career i.e. Logan, Eubank, McClellan etc etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by New Wind
The fact of the matter is Benn should have quit the game after the McClellan fight but as is the case with many other fighters that fight made him think he could go on longer than he should have done and of course money is always a strong motivation.
Benn hurt his ankle in the 1st Collins fight and should have forgotten about a re-match but his pride got the better of him. To call Benn a quitter is completely wide of the mark and of-course he was reknowned for how dangerous he was when in danger himself which is not something you'd associate with a quitter! Benn would've beaten the likes of Collins and Malinga at his best IMO.
he did beat Malinga, 5 years priorQuote:
Originally Posted by CopeAli
Quite right, i've just read that back. My apologies. I meant Collins... Benn would beat Collins 9 times out of 10 at his best.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_One77
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Originally Posted by Britkid
Im sick of you brits putting down Steve Collins.
He was one of the toughest men in the sport and never could be stopped.
Benn quit because he culdnt break him up and was comign to the end of his career.
Eubank couldnt handle his style either
he beat both of them twice and dont come back to me with the above being shot or too old.
Eubank was younger than Collins and Benn was the same age.
Collins last fight was against an amercian journey man called craig cummins. He said after this that he wanted one big pay / big fight against Roy jones then he would call it a day. At this time Collins was struggling to motivate himself and only wanted one last fight
He didnt fight calzaghe because Joe was nothing back then and a small pay day.
Dont give me the bullshit that he quit. How could a man fight both Benn and eubank twice plus the one and only Mike Mccallum and be afraid of young Joe Calazaghe.
Your being biased towards Birtish boxers
I agree with some of your points here, and Collins didn't fear anyone. But in my honest opinion both Benn and Eubank were past their best when they fought Steve Collins which is something that you surely recognise.. Age has nothing to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryB
Put another way, the Benn that beat McClellan would've Beaten Collins and the Eubank that beat Benn would've beaten Collins IMO.
Being shot has nothing to do with age!!Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryB
Benn was way past his best BUT the question was:Did he quit in the 2nd fight ?
And the answer is yes, hed admit it as well, it doesnt tarnish his career, BUT if Audley did the same thing hhmmmmm
LOL, the ref was the only one who fought he had; that was the night the 'Anything EU can do' tour, crashed and burned. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by The_One77
yeah, heard it was a close fight
It was anything but close; Malinga won at least seven of the ten rounds. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by The_One77
Malinga was just one thing - awkward.Thats why he gave people problems. Was he also the first man to beat Robin Reid ??
Malinga would always pretend to be hurt and sucker the other guy in, where he would catch him with big shots on the way in.
......... so he was MALINGering ;D
Yeah, I believe he was. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
haha....too bad because nobody remembers that as long as the W is on Nigel's recordQuote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
Benn twisted his ankle in the first fight and could of quit but roared for the ref to let him carry on, then the ref stopped it about 20 seconds later. In the second fight, Peter DeFreitas told Nigel he had one more round to stop Collins or he'll pull him out.. and that's what happened.
he beat reid in 97 for the wbc super middleweight title in an easily forgettable fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Nigel lost that fight more so than Malinga winning it. Nigel only trained four weeks, didn't go to Tenerife for his camp either. He saw Malinga looking awful against Eubank, and told his people that Malinga would be a "three-round job".Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
He under-estimated Malinga massively, but FFS Nigel was just standing in front of him with no guard, no head movement - Malinga couldn't miss him with his rangey, fast, arrow-like jabs and right crosses. Benn had his tongue busted up bad after Malinga's delived some snappy right uppercuts with his back against the ropes in round five, and Benn just generally lacked snap in his work.
I have no problem with Benn getting the decision because he was forcing the fight, Malinga was just sitting back and was too relaxed. Benn often repsonded from a jab that would snap his head back with say, a light triple-jab of his own and keep coming. It was clear Benn was in poor shape, and clear that Malinga was better on that one night than people expected, but Benn forced the fight and it was very close.. could of gone either way.
Malinga wasn't very good, he looked rubbish against Eubank and Roy Jones. He looked rubbish on Benn's undercards too when he fought Trevor Ambrose and Nardiello, and lost almost every round to Woodhall.
Didn't Roy Jones Jr knock out Malinga easily?Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
Yeah, even John Jarvis beat Malinga (that guy who looked awful against Eubank). A very disinterested Eubank won every second of every round against Malinga, and had Malinga down and out almost with that ridiculous loopy overhand right in round five. And that was Eubank at his worst. Trevor Ambrose was robbed against Malinga, Vincenzo Nardiello beat Malinga.Quote:
Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
Apart from the first Benn fight, I never even saw Malinga look remotely world-class! It was a one-off bad night for Benn, and a one-off good night for Malinga. And even so, I gave Benn four rounds clearly with another four as potential 10/10's.
so if malinga looked so bad against Eubank, why was it a split decision?
The judges got it wrong ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by The_One77
Some of the judging at Eubank's fights was very, very strange. I remember Barry McGuigan had Eubank winning 8 rounds against Ray Close in Glasgow with round eleven as 10/8 Eubank, I had the same as did Jim Watt on ITV. It was a draw.
Dan Schommer clearly beat Eubank in South Africa, but Eubank got the decision.
Eubank clearly won every round against Wharton, but one judge had it 114/113!
Steve Collins clearly won every round against Eubank in their rematch, but the judges only had it really F****** close??
On Jim Watt's scorecard he had Eubank winning 8 rounds against Malinga with the other four 10/10, and round five 10/8 Eubank. I had Eubank winning all of them, against Malinga. Malinga looked crap.
hehe when Eubank fought Dan Schommer, he considered himself fortunate because he though he lostQuote:
Originally Posted by WWatt
dont call him a quitter, mate, he is ex military
none of us guys quit, ever. its sort of a rule
Collins beat Benn and Eubank . . . End Of History ! ! !
In round 9 Malinga dropped Nardiello with a legitimate body shot . Nardiello dropped to one knee and accpeted it but the ref was the only guy in the arena who thought it was low and didnt count it as a knockdown . He then proceeded to deduct a point off Malinga so instead of scoring the round 10-8 to Malinga , it became 10-9 to Nardiello which became the deciding factor in teh scoring . If that was done properly the Malinga would have retained and Reid would have never become WBC champion . ( He beat Nardiello but lost to Malinga )