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NFL player Damar Hamlin collapses during game; suffers cardiac arrest
https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news...hnk/index.html
"NFL star Damar Hamlin in critical condition after cardiac arrest"
Gut-wrenching. I was watching Monday Night Football last night when this happened. Hamlin was involved in a routine looking tackle midway through the 1st quarter of a huge game between the Buffalo Bills and the Cincinnati Bengals. Replays show that Hamlin got right back up... then immediately collapsed onto his back. The next few minutes were frantic, with medical personnel eventually having to administer CPR right there on the field, before putting Hamlin in an ambulance and rushing him off to a local hospital. Teammates were terribly shaken... many of them crying right there on the field, and hugging and consoling each other. The game was eventually postponed, as playing football was the farthest thing from anybody's mind.
At this point, more than 12 hours later, Hamlin remains in critical condition at the hospital... while sports news networks are at a loss as to what to say other than to hope and pray that Hamlin pulls through ok.
A very frightening scenario.
Normally, serious football injuries are either limb-related, or head trauma... so this is a bit of unchartered territory for those who follow the sport. Personally, I'm reminded a bit of Christian Eriksen back in Euro Cup 2020, held in June 2021. I was watching that game also. In that case, there was no contact, and Christian simply collapsed on the field... and had to have CPR administered to him.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/socc...knhbfi98lipske
Decades ago, in 1990, promising basketball player Hank Gathers collapsed on the court from a heart related issue and was also given CPR. Sadly, Gathers did not recover and died.
It all kind of reminds us that professional athletes are first and foremost human beings. With families and loved ones whose furthermost thought from their minds is that their son/brother/father is going to die while doing what they love best.
My thoughts and prayers to Hamlin and his family... as the story continues to develop... and he remains in critical condition in a Cincinnati hospital.
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Re: NFL player Damar Hamlin collapses during game; suffers cardiac arrest
Are we seeing more of these heart attacks now? There have been numerous footballers that have had a attack and had to retire because of heart issues nowadays.
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Master
Are we seeing more of these heart attacks now? There have been numerous footballers that have had a attack and had to retire because of heart issues nowadays.
Yes but if anybody says the reason why they will be labeled a conspiracy theorist
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Master
Are we seeing more of these heart attacks now? There have been numerous footballers that have had a attack and had to retire because of heart issues nowadays.
In Hamlin's case you can't yet rule out the possibility that the tackle caused a blunt trauma to the chest in a manner that triggered a reaction to an underlying condition.
But I'm no doctor... and will refrain from speculating further.
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Master
Are we seeing more of these heart attacks now? There have been numerous footballers that have had a attack and had to retire because of heart issues nowadays.
that's a good question to ask. well done. to me there certainly seems to be a lot of what i would consider young & generally healthy people having health issues in recent times. i have already mention a friend of mine that had a heart attack not that long ago & i personally know three other guys all under forty that have had heart issues recently & several other people who i had previously considered to be in good health, who are now a lot more ill & unhealthier than they have ever been. now the causes of this unhealthiness in supposedly young, healthy people could be numerous but it is something to keep an eye on. from my own experience i will add that my health is probably the best it's ever been
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Pretty damning evidence already out of Germany, Japan, Denmark, Sweden etc. .... Something wrecked their immune systems/hearts, etc and it wasn't covid. Really nice substacks from McCullouch and Steve Kirsch and Robert Malone and guys like Zelenko and let us not forget the icing on the cake from Michael Yeadon
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Re: NFL player Damar Hamlin collapses during game; suffers cardiac arrest
Can it be just an NFL football player that suffered a traumatic blow to the chest and went into cardiac arrest?
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TitoFan
Can it be just an NFL football player that suffered a traumatic blow to the chest and went into cardiac arrest?
Yes
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TitoFan
Can it be just an NFL football player that suffered a traumatic blow to the chest and went into cardiac arrest?
it could just be that exactly but could it not also possibly be something else?
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Pretty damning evidence already out of Germany, Japan, Denmark, Sweden etc. .... Something wrecked their immune systems/hearts, etc and it wasn't covid. Really nice substacks from McCullouch and Steve Kirsch and Robert Malone and guys like Zelenko and let us not forget the icing on the cake from Michael Yeadon
how have you verified their claims to be true? can you please provide your processes so i can verify them as true for myself? i'm not saying it is not a possibility but i am not just going to believe secondhand information, so i'll wait for the processes you have verified to be true that support your statement of damning evidence, unless you want to admit you are just believing something
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TitoFan
Can it be just an NFL football player that suffered a traumatic blow to the chest and went into cardiac arrest?
it could just be that exactly but could it not also possibly be something else?
At this point I'll take the story presented as true... until something to the contrary pops up (AND IS SUBSTANTIATED).
As you know, I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories... nor do I leap at the first hint of one.
The human suffering of my fellow man gives me no joy... and I normally don't go looking around for conspiracy theories to whet my appetite.
Priorities.
Right now the only important thing is that Hamlin fully recovers and goes home to his family.
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
TIC
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Can it be just an NFL football player that suffered a traumatic blow to the chest and went into cardiac arrest?
it could just be that exactly but could it not also possibly be something else?
At this point I'll take the story presented as true... until something to the contrary pops up (AND IS SUBSTANTIATED).
As you know, I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories... nor do I leap at the first hint of one.
The human suffering of my fellow man gives me no joy... and I normally don't go looking around for conspiracy theories to whet my appetite.
Priorities.
Right now the only important thing is that Hamlin fully recovers and goes home to his family.
it's your right to believe whatever you like. neither of us will ever know the truth because we won't be able to verify the cause ourselves. information will be provided & you & i will take that on board. it won't be us verifying the claims as true. where was the conspiracy theory in my question? i asked if the cause could be possibly something else. where is the leaping in my question? where is the joy in my question? what does the man's health have to do with my reply to your question about possible causes? different topics
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i found youtube's usual nonsense interesting on this video
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FllEuinX...g&name=900x900
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TIC
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
TIC
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Can it be just an NFL football player that suffered a traumatic blow to the chest and went into cardiac arrest?
it could just be that exactly but could it not also possibly be something else?
At this point I'll take the story presented as true... until something to the contrary pops up (AND IS SUBSTANTIATED).
As you know, I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories... nor do I leap at the first hint of one.
The human suffering of my fellow man gives me no joy... and I normally don't go looking around for conspiracy theories to whet my appetite.
Priorities.
Right now the only important thing is that Hamlin fully recovers and goes home to his family.
it's your right to believe whatever you like. neither of us will ever know the truth because we won't be able to verify the cause ourselves. information will be provided & you & i will take that on board. it won't be us verifying the claims as true. where was the conspiracy theory in my question? i asked if the cause could be possibly something else. where is the leaping in my question? where is the joy in my question? what does the man's health have to do with my reply to your question about possible causes? different topics
Am I accusing you of any of the above? No... right? So let's just be ourselves and choose to use the information given as we see fit.
The purpose of this thread was to inform those unfamiliar with the NFL about a tragic event in last night's Monday Night Football game. Nothing more.
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TIC
I get very little information from YouTube, Facebook, Twitter... or any other social media platform, for that matter.
THAT'S where my skepticism jumps in... as I often question the motives and intelligence of those spreading those "news."
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
TIC
I get very little information from YouTube, Facebook, Twitter... or any other social media platform, for that matter.
THAT'S where
my skepticism jumps in... as I often question the motives and intelligence of those spreading those "news."
Honest question: where DO you get it from then?
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TitoFan
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TIC
I get very little information from YouTube, Facebook, Twitter... or any other social media platform, for that matter.
THAT'S where
my skepticism jumps in... as I often question the motives and intelligence of those spreading those "news."
Honest question: where DO you get it from then?
Well... I realize YouTube is chockfull of educated scholars who perform all the necessary checks when putting out a story... but for my taste, I'd rather stick with unbiased, un-slanted, respected news media. You know... the type that existed before social media.
Facebook and Twitter... ditto.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...mlin-collapse/
"Covid misinformation spikes in wake of Damar Hamlin’s on-field collapse"
They must be slipping. This wave should've been almost immediate.
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TitoFan
Can it be just an NFL football player that suffered a traumatic blow to the chest and went into cardiac arrest?
Does it honestly matter anymore, as regardless of what medical professionals and actual Doctors rule...it won't matter. That's not the question or determination being fished at or danced around by people yelling "Tha jAb dUnn'it" before it was even known if the poor kid was literally dead or alive once transported last night. If he was vaccinated :oooh: well that's determination of "cause" enough. Current America. Saw it elsewhere right off by more than a few. God forbid we ask anything crazy like family history, previous injuries. This merry go round never ends.
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Dunno. Sounds like speculative spam pop up horseshat from exactly the place you'd expect it from. It's like magic :)
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
TIC
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
TIC
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Can it be just an NFL football player that suffered a traumatic blow to the chest and went into cardiac arrest?
it could just be that exactly but could it not also possibly be something else?
At this point I'll take the story presented as true... until something to the contrary pops up (AND IS SUBSTANTIATED).
As you know, I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories... nor do I leap at the first hint of one.
The human suffering of my fellow man gives me no joy... and I normally don't go looking around for conspiracy theories to whet my appetite.
Priorities.
Right now the only important thing is that Hamlin fully recovers and goes home to his family.
it's your right to believe whatever you like. neither of us will ever know the truth because we won't be able to verify the cause ourselves. information will be provided & you & i will take that on board. it won't be us verifying the claims as true. where was the conspiracy theory in my question? i asked if the cause could be possibly something else. where is the leaping in my question? where is the joy in my question? what does the man's health have to do with my reply to your question about possible causes? different topics
Am I accusing you of any of the above? No... right? So let's just be ourselves and choose to use the information given as we see fit.
The purpose of this thread was to inform those unfamiliar with the NFL about a tragic event in last night's Monday Night Football game. Nothing more.
you introduced all of the above in response to my question if other causes could be a possibility. you may not be accusing me but you are distracting from my question that you chose to reply to. the purpose of your thread does not dictate how other members have to reply. yes it was tragic, let's hope the real cause was from nothing nefarious & just an unfortunate incident & let's hope these incidents don't become more prevalent
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TIC
I get very little information from YouTube, Facebook, Twitter... or any other social media platform, for that matter.
THAT'S where
my skepticism jumps in... as I often question the motives and intelligence of those spreading those "news."
the screenshot was not about information. youtube likes to play with the numbers
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well that's determination of "cause" enough.
only problem i have with this is that is exactly how some danced & yelled that "covid dunn'it" based on a failed pcr test when the cause of death was not known if it was with covid or from covid. whatever it was people were believing convid was
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Spicoli
God forbid we ask anything crazy like family history, previous injuries. This merry go round never ends.
yes other possibilities yeh? i can think of several other possibilities of cause the top of my head
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Master
Are we seeing more of these heart attacks now? There have been numerous footballers that have had a attack and had to retire because of heart issues nowadays.
that's a good question to ask. well done. to me there certainly seems to be a lot of what i would consider young & generally healthy people having health issues in recent times. i have already mention a friend of mine that had a heart attack not that long ago & i personally know three other guys all under forty that have had heart issues recently & several other people who i had previously considered to be in good health, who are now a lot more ill & unhealthier than they have ever been. now the causes of this unhealthiness in supposedly young, healthy people could be numerous but it is something to keep an eye on. from my own experience i will add that my health is probably the best it's ever been
how have you verified their claims to be true? can you please provide your processes so i can verify them as true for myself? i'm not saying it is not a possibility but i am not just going to believe secondhand information, so i'll wait for the processes you have verified to be true that support your statement of damning evidence, unless you want to admit you are just believing something
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TIC
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Spicoli
well that's determination of "cause" enough.
only problem i have with this is that is exactly how some danced & yelled that "covid dunn'it" based on a failed pcr test when the cause of death was not known if it was with covid or from covid. whatever it was people were believing convid was
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Spicoli
God forbid we ask anything crazy like family history, previous injuries. This merry go round never ends.
yes other possibilities yeh? i can think of several other possibilities of cause the top of my head
how have you verified their claims to be false? can you please provide your processes so i can verify them as false for myself? i'm not saying it is not a possibility but i am not just going to believe secondhand information, so i'll wait for the processes you have verified to be false that support your statement of damning evidence, unless you want to admit you are just believing something
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https://www.npr.org/2023/01/04/11468...r-resuscitated
"Damar Hamlin had to be resuscitated a second time, his uncle says"
"After suffering a cardiac arrest midgame on Monday, Buffalo Bills safety Damar Hamlin remains in critical condition, sedated and on a ventilator, according to an update from his uncle.
The 24-year-old is being treated in the intensive care unit at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center after a seemingly routine tackle caused his heart to stop beating. First responders administered CPR on the field to resuscitate Hamlin in front of his distraught teammates and millions of fans.
Early Wednesday morning, his uncle, Dorrian Glenn, told reporters in several televised interviews that doctors restarted Hamlin's heart for a second time when he got to the hospital.
"I'm just glad he's still alive and able to fight," Glenn told CNN. "I just want to show my gratitude to the medical staff that were on hand. If it were not for them, my nephew probably wouldn't even be here."
Hamlin is now on a ventilator, lying facedown on a hospital bed to keep pressure off his damaged lungs, Glenn said. Doctors are aiming to get him breathing on his own, but will continue "taking it day by day."
Overall, his uncle said, it appears that Hamlin's health is "trending upwards in a positive way."
Glenn traveled 300 miles to be with the second-year NFL player and his immediate family early Tuesday morning, he told CBS. He'd been watching the game at home in Pittsburgh when his nephew collapsed on-field.
"I'm not a crier, but I've never cried so hard in my life," Glenn said of watching those uncertain moments unfold on a screen. "Just to know my nephew basically died on the field and they brought him back to life. It's just heart-breaking. To see all those grown men crying and the emotion ... man, it really was a gut punch."
Glenn added that he believed in "the power of prayer" and was thankful for the support that millions of people have shown Hamlin.
Late Tuesday night, all 32 NFL teams changed their social media profile pictures to show Hamlin's #3 jersey with the text "Pray for Damar."
The NFL said Tuesday that the tragic Bills-Bengals game, which was postponed with six minutes left in the first quarter, will not be resumed this week. The organization has yet to decide whether to continue the match-up later on."
So basically Hamlin is still in critical condition, but overall his status is slowly trending upward.
That is the only thing that matters at this point. Wild conjectures about the cause are pointless and frankly only damaging at this point. But that doesn't stop people from doing it. :-X
The NFL has its hands full right now, as it desperately tries to balance the sensitivity of Hamlin's injuries with the remainder of the season and the looming playoffs.
I'd hate to be in those front offices (NFL) during these times. They're bound to get criticized no matter what they decide.
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TitoFan
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NoSavingByTheBell
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
TIC
I get very little information from YouTube, Facebook, Twitter... or any other social media platform, for that matter.
THAT'S where
my skepticism jumps in... as I often question the motives and intelligence of those spreading those "news."
Honest question: where DO you get it from then?
Well... I realize YouTube is chockfull of educated scholars who perform all the necessary checks when putting out a story... but for my taste, I'd rather stick with unbiased, un-slanted, respected news media. You know... the type that existed
before social media.
you mean like the alleged operation mockingbird cia infiltrated media?
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Beanz
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TIC
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Master
Are we seeing more of these heart attacks now? There have been numerous footballers that have had a attack and had to retire because of heart issues nowadays.
that's a good question to ask. well done. to me there certainly seems to be a lot of what i would consider young & generally healthy people having health issues in recent times. i have already mention a friend of mine that had a heart attack not that long ago & i personally know three other guys all under forty that have had heart issues recently & several other people who i had previously considered to be in good health, who are now a lot more ill & unhealthier than they have ever been. now the causes of this unhealthiness in supposedly young, healthy people could be numerous but it is something to keep an eye on. from my own experience i will add that my health is probably the best it's ever been
how have you verified their claims to be true? can you please provide your processes so i can verify them as true for myself? i'm not saying it is not a possibility but i am not just going to believe secondhand information, so i'll wait for the processes you have verified to be true that support your statement of damning evidence, unless you want to admit you are just believing something
you still don't understand burden of proof larry
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Beanz
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TIC
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Spicoli
well that's determination of "cause" enough.
only problem i have with this is that is exactly how some danced & yelled that "covid dunn'it" based on a failed pcr test when the cause of death was not known if it was with covid or from covid. whatever it was people were believing convid was
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Spicoli
God forbid we ask anything crazy like family history, previous injuries. This merry go round never ends.
yes other possibilities yeh? i can think of several other possibilities of cause the top of my head
how have you verified their claims to be false? can you please provide your processes so i can verify them as false for myself? i'm not saying it is not a possibility but i am not just going to believe secondhand information, so i'll wait for the processes you have verified to be false that support your statement of damning evidence, unless you want to admit you are just believing something
considering different potential possibilities of cause aren't claims of something being true larry. what claims of something being true did i make in my post here larry?
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That is the only thing that matters at this point. Wild conjectures about the cause are pointless and frankly only damaging at this point. But that doesn't stop people from doing it. :-X
The NFL has its hands full right now, as it desperately tries to balance the sensitivity of Hamlin's injuries with the remainder of the season and the looming playoffs.
I'd hate to be in those front offices (NFL) during these times. They're bound to get criticized no matter what they decide.
just because people are questioning the cause does not mean they are not concern for this man. master posted a question asking if we are seeing more of these incidents as he must be noticing something that he felt like asking the forum. i agree wild conjectures are pointless. the question from master & my own about other possibilities of cause are far from wild conjectures & are more about reasoned discussion. you & i will never know the real cause, no matter what the media says but i for one will be keeping an eye out hoping that these incidents don't become more regular. i'm not really familiar with the workings of the nfl, could you please inform me what you are referencing there? in regards to the remainder of the season & being in the front offices. from their point of view wasn't this tragic incident just a random occurrence off a routine tackle? or are they getting flack about player safety of something? what decision are they supposed to make?
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Are we seeing more of these heart attacks now? There have been numerous footballers that have had a attack and had to retire because of heart issues nowadays.
that's a good question to ask. well done. to me there certainly seems to be a lot of what i would consider young & generally healthy people having health issues in recent times. i have already mention a friend of mine that had a heart attack not that long ago & i personally know three other guys all under forty that have had heart issues recently & several other people who i had previously considered to be in good health, who are now a lot more ill & unhealthier than they have ever been. now the causes of this unhealthiness in supposedly young, healthy people could be numerous but it is something to keep an eye on. from my own experience i will add that my health is probably the best it's ever been
how have you verified their claims to be true? can you please provide your processes so i can verify them as true for myself? i'm not saying it is not a possibility but i am not just going to believe secondhand information, so i'll wait for the processes you have verified to be true that support your statement of damning evidence, unless you want to admit you are just believing something
you still don't understand burden of proof larry
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Are we seeing more of these heart attacks now? There have been numerous footballers that have had a attack and had to retire because of heart issues nowadays.
that's a good question to ask. well done. to me there certainly seems to be a lot of what i would consider young & generally healthy people having health issues in recent times. i have already mention a friend of mine that had a heart attack not that long ago & i personally know three other guys all under forty that have had heart issues recently & several other people who i had previously considered to be in good health, who are now a lot more ill & unhealthier than they have ever been. now the causes of this unhealthiness in supposedly young, healthy people could be numerous but it is something to keep an eye on. from my own experience i will add that my health is probably the best it's ever been
how have you verified their claims to be true? can you please provide your processes so i can verify them as true for myself? i'm not saying it is not a possibility but i am not just going to believe secondhand information, so i'll wait for the processes you have verified to be true that support your statement of damning evidence, unless you want to admit you are just believing something
you still don't understand burden of proof larry
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now run along larry & learn what burden of proof is
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Are we seeing more of these heart attacks now? There have been numerous footballers that have had a attack and had to retire because of heart issues nowadays.
that's a good question to ask. well done. to me there certainly seems to be a lot of what i would consider young & generally healthy people having health issues in recent times. i have already mention a friend of mine that had a heart attack not that long ago & i personally know three other guys all under forty that have had heart issues recently & several other people who i had previously considered to be in good health, who are now a lot more ill & unhealthier than they have ever been. now the causes of this unhealthiness in supposedly young, healthy people could be numerous but it is something to keep an eye on. from my own experience i will add that my health is probably the best it's ever been
how have you verified their claims to be true? can you please provide your processes so i can verify them as true for myself? i'm not saying it is not a possibility but i am not just going to believe secondhand information, so i'll wait for the processes you have verified to be true that support your statement of damning evidence, unless you want to admit you are just believing something
you still don't understand burden of proof larry
I think being a formal legal case worker I absolutely understand what the burden of proof refers to and how in virtually every case you bring up and claim something untoward has happened, that burden rests with you. You are always questioning widely accepted and proven facts without actually ever bringing any facts of your own to the table. You can't even accept your own rules of engagement when they are quoted back at you.
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Are we seeing more of these heart attacks now? There have been numerous footballers that have had a attack and had to retire because of heart issues nowadays.
that's a good question to ask. well done. to me there certainly seems to be a lot of what i would consider young & generally healthy people having health issues in recent times. i have already mention a friend of mine that had a heart attack not that long ago & i personally know three other guys all under forty that have had heart issues recently & several other people who i had previously considered to be in good health, who are now a lot more ill & unhealthier than they have ever been. now the causes of this unhealthiness in supposedly young, healthy people could be numerous but it is something to keep an eye on. from my own experience i will add that my health is probably the best it's ever been
how have you verified their claims to be true? can you please provide your processes so i can verify them as true for myself? i'm not saying it is not a possibility but i am not just going to believe secondhand information, so i'll wait for the processes you have verified to be true that support your statement of damning evidence, unless you want to admit you are just believing something
you still don't understand burden of proof larry
I think being a formal legal case worker I absolutely understand what the burden of proof refers to and how in virtually every case you bring up and claim something untoward has happened, that burden rests with you. You are always questioning widely accepted and proven facts without actually ever bringing any facts of your own to the table. You can't even accept your own rules of engagement when they are quoted back at you.
if you make a claim that something is real then the burden of proof is on you to prove that claim is true. burden of proof is so simple & yet you struggle with it's simplicity. i question things that can't be proven to be true larry. i don't question provable facts because everyone can verify a fact larry. are you agreeing with nosavingbythebell that this incident was caused due to an effect from the convid jab? that is what his post implied, so i feel it is right to get those claims verified don't you larry? it could be a possibility, as could trauma from the tackle, as could numerous other possibilities be the cause. you & i will never know the real cause but if these incidents become a regular thing among the supposed young & healthy then the causes might need to be revisited
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Re: NFL player Damar Hamlin collapses during game; suffers cardiac arrest
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That is the only thing that matters at this point. Wild conjectures about the cause are pointless and frankly only damaging at this point. But that doesn't stop people from doing it. :-X
The NFL has its hands full right now, as it desperately tries to balance the sensitivity of Hamlin's injuries with the remainder of the season and the looming playoffs.
I'd hate to be in those front offices (NFL) during these times. They're bound to get criticized no matter what they decide.
just because people are questioning the cause does not mean they are not concern for this man. master posted a question
asking if we are seeing more of these incidents as he must be noticing something that he felt like asking the forum. i agree wild conjectures are pointless. the question from master & my own about other possibilities of cause are far from wild conjectures & are more about reasoned discussion. you & i will never know the real cause, no matter what the media says but i for one will be keeping an eye out hoping that these incidents don't become more regular. i'm not really familiar with the workings of the nfl, could you please inform me what you are referencing there? in regards to the remainder of the season & being in the front offices. from their point of view wasn't this tragic incident just a random occurrence off a routine tackle? or are they getting flack about player safety of something? what decision are they supposed to make?
It doesn't appear we are "seeing more of these incidents." But here's a look back at other cardiac related incidents on the field of play (including other sports):
https://www.insider.com/sports-stars...-hamlin-2023-1
"Damar Hamlin isn't the first pro athlete to have cardiac arrest on the field — here are 5 other stars who collapsed while the clock was running"
From the article:
- Chuck Hughes, Detroit Lions NFL player - Collapsed without contact on the field of play in 1971 and died
- Christian Eriksen, Danish soccer player - Non-contact collapse during Euro 2020 during a game in 2021. Was revived.
- Chris Pronger, NHL St. Louis Blues - Collapsed after hit from puck on chest during game in 1998. Made a full recovery.
- Jay Bouwmeester, NHL St. Louis Blues - Collapsed while on bench in 2020. Was revived and later retired from the sport.
- Marc-Vivien Foé, Cameroon soccer team - Non-contact collapse during game in 2003. Could not be revived.
Also from the article:
"Buffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been hospitalized in critical condition after being treated on the field for cardiac arrest. The 24-year-old safety collapsed after a tackle during a Monday night game against the Bengals.
While the details of Hamlin's health aren't yet clear, the incident is part of a long history of athletes suffering cardiac events during competition in sports, such as football, soccer, and hockey.
Dozen of other such incidents have occurred in the past few decades, some of them fatal. While heart problems in elite athletes are rare, they can occur because of underlying conditions, including undiagnosed heart disease or genetic abnormalities, which are exacerbated by intense exercise and physical stress, according to research published in 2019.
Getting hit in the chest with enough force can also disrupt the heartbeat, a condition called commotio cordis, which is also rare but can be caused by an object like a hockey puck or baseball, or contact with another player.
While pro athletes are routinely screened for medical conditions, some risks are difficult to predict or prevent, resulting in shocking and occasionally deadly mid-game medical emergencies."
"Underlying conditions"... "undiagnosed heart disease"... "genetic abnormalities". "Exacerbated by intense exercise and physical stress..."
I'm going with these for the time being.
Factually-based opinions from medical professionals, whose opinions have more weight than anybody on Facebook or Twitter.
Oh... about the NFL and its decisions.
The game where Hamlin was injured was finally postponed after it was clear that none of the players were in any emotional shape to continue. The game was critical in determining playoff positioning and seeding for the beginning of playoff season a week and a half from now. The NFL has a decision to make as to whether make up this game... cancel it altogether... or push the playoffs back in order to accommodate the finishing of the game at some later date. Their decision will have ramifications on a group of teams currently fighting for playoff positioning.
The play itself where Hamlin was injured was most definitely a routine tackle, which obviously factors into the determinations being made as we speak as to the possible causes for the injury. Until more knowledgeable minds than you or I come to some sort of conclusions, the cause remains unknown. The league (NFL) meanwhile, finds itself in the unenviable position of having to delicately balance the still uncertain outcome of Hamlin's recovery, with the need to finish the season and begin the playoffs.
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Re: NFL player Damar Hamlin collapses during game; suffers cardiac arrest
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TitoFan
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TIC
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TitoFan
That is the only thing that matters at this point. Wild conjectures about the cause are pointless and frankly only damaging at this point. But that doesn't stop people from doing it. :-X
The NFL has its hands full right now, as it desperately tries to balance the sensitivity of Hamlin's injuries with the remainder of the season and the looming playoffs.
I'd hate to be in those front offices (NFL) during these times. They're bound to get criticized no matter what they decide.
just because people are questioning the cause does not mean they are not concern for this man. master posted a question
asking if we are seeing more of these incidents as he must be noticing something that he felt like asking the forum. i agree wild conjectures are pointless. the question from master & my own about other possibilities of cause are far from wild conjectures & are more about reasoned discussion. you & i will never know the real cause, no matter what the media says but i for one will be keeping an eye out hoping that these incidents don't become more regular. i'm not really familiar with the workings of the nfl, could you please inform me what you are referencing there? in regards to the remainder of the season & being in the front offices. from their point of view wasn't this tragic incident just a random occurrence off a routine tackle? or are they getting flack about player safety of something? what decision are they supposed to make?
It doesn't appear we are
"seeing more of these incidents." But here's a look back at other cardiac related incidents on the field of play (including other sports):
https://www.insider.com/sports-stars...-hamlin-2023-1
"Damar Hamlin isn't the first pro athlete to have cardiac arrest on the field — here are 5 other stars who collapsed while the clock was running"
From the article:
- Chuck Hughes, Detroit Lions NFL player - Collapsed without contact on the field of play in 1971 and died
- Christian Eriksen, Danish soccer player - Non-contact collapse during Euro 2020 during a game in 2021. Was revived.
- Chris Pronger, NHL St. Louis Blues - Collapsed after hit from puck on chest during game in 1998. Made a full recovery.
- Jay Bouwmeester, NHL St. Louis Blues - Collapsed while on bench in 2020. Was revived and later retired from the sport.
- Marc-Vivien Foé, Cameroon soccer team - Non-contact collapse during game in 2003. Could not be revived.
Also from the article:
"Buffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been hospitalized in critical condition after being treated on the field for cardiac arrest. The 24-year-old safety collapsed after a tackle during a Monday night game against the Bengals.
While the details of Hamlin's health aren't yet clear, the incident is part of a long history of athletes suffering cardiac events during competition in sports, such as football, soccer, and hockey.
Dozen of other such incidents have occurred in the past few decades, some of them fatal. While heart problems in elite athletes are rare, they can occur because of underlying conditions, including undiagnosed heart disease or genetic abnormalities, which are exacerbated by intense exercise and physical stress, according to research published in 2019.
Getting hit in the chest with enough force can also disrupt the heartbeat, a condition called commotio cordis, which is also rare but can be caused by an object like a hockey puck or baseball, or contact with another player.
While pro athletes are routinely screened for medical conditions, some risks are difficult to predict or prevent, resulting in shocking and occasionally deadly mid-game medical emergencies."
"Underlying conditions"... "undiagnosed heart disease"... "genetic abnormalities". "Exacerbated by intense exercise and physical stress..."
I'm going with these for the time being.
Factually-based opinions from medical professionals, whose opinions have more weight than anybody on Facebook or Twitter.
Oh... about the NFL and its decisions.
The game where Hamlin was injured was finally postponed after it was clear that none of the players were in any emotional shape to continue. The game was critical in determining playoff positioning and seeding for the beginning of playoff season a week and a half from now. The NFL has a decision to make as to whether make up this game... cancel it altogether... or push the playoffs back in order to accommodate the finishing of the game at some later date. Their decision will have ramifications on a group of teams currently fighting for playoff positioning.
The play itself where Hamlin was injured was most definitely a routine tackle, which obviously factors into the determinations being made as we speak as to the possible causes for the injury. Until more knowledgeable minds than you or I come to some sort of conclusions, the cause remains unknown. The league (NFL) meanwhile, finds itself in the unenviable position of having to delicately balance the still uncertain outcome of Hamlin's recovery, with the need to finish the season and begin the playoffs.
it could be that the media is just focusing on these incidents more currently but as i said in my original post in this thread, i have noticed several people i know who i considered young & in good health; whose health has deteriorated over the last few years. four of the guys have had heart issues. the causes of their health deterioration could be many but the one thing they have in common is that they are all covid vaccinated & boosted. now in saying that i also have friends that have been vaccinated & had booster shots who are still in good health. underlying conditions"... "undiagnosed heart disease"... "genetic abnormalities are definitely causes but it also a fact that when you mix chemicals you will get reactions. you can go with whatever you like, i'm happy to say i will never know what the cause was. cheers for the information on the nfl. i figured it was about the game being called off & affecting points & standings. the cause will always remain unknown to you & i. you will either choose to believe the conclusion presented to you or not, i'll file the information away in my mind as a definite possibility of cause but i will never know that to be true. hey look at us, having a slightly civil conversation so far. happy new year to year titofan, i hope you are successful in all your pursuits this year
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Re: NFL player Damar Hamlin collapses during game; suffers cardiac arrest
I just want a nice wedge of a certain cherry-prune-fig cake with some nice buttercream icing I saw recently. :cool:
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Re: NFL player Damar Hamlin collapses during game; suffers cardiac arrest
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TIC
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
TIC
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
That is the only thing that matters at this point. Wild conjectures about the cause are pointless and frankly only damaging at this point. But that doesn't stop people from doing it. :-X
The NFL has its hands full right now, as it desperately tries to balance the sensitivity of Hamlin's injuries with the remainder of the season and the looming playoffs.
I'd hate to be in those front offices (NFL) during these times. They're bound to get criticized no matter what they decide.
just because people are questioning the cause does not mean they are not concern for this man. master posted a question
asking if we are seeing more of these incidents as he must be noticing something that he felt like asking the forum. i agree wild conjectures are pointless. the question from master & my own about other possibilities of cause are far from wild conjectures & are more about reasoned discussion. you & i will never know the real cause, no matter what the media says but i for one will be keeping an eye out hoping that these incidents don't become more regular. i'm not really familiar with the workings of the nfl, could you please inform me what you are referencing there? in regards to the remainder of the season & being in the front offices. from their point of view wasn't this tragic incident just a random occurrence off a routine tackle? or are they getting flack about player safety of something? what decision are they supposed to make?
It doesn't appear we are
"seeing more of these incidents." But here's a look back at other cardiac related incidents on the field of play (including other sports):
https://www.insider.com/sports-stars...-hamlin-2023-1
"Damar Hamlin isn't the first pro athlete to have cardiac arrest on the field — here are 5 other stars who collapsed while the clock was running"
From the article:
- Chuck Hughes, Detroit Lions NFL player - Collapsed without contact on the field of play in 1971 and died
- Christian Eriksen, Danish soccer player - Non-contact collapse during Euro 2020 during a game in 2021. Was revived.
- Chris Pronger, NHL St. Louis Blues - Collapsed after hit from puck on chest during game in 1998. Made a full recovery.
- Jay Bouwmeester, NHL St. Louis Blues - Collapsed while on bench in 2020. Was revived and later retired from the sport.
- Marc-Vivien Foé, Cameroon soccer team - Non-contact collapse during game in 2003. Could not be revived.
Also from the article:
"Buffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin has been hospitalized in critical condition after being treated on the field for cardiac arrest. The 24-year-old safety collapsed after a tackle during a Monday night game against the Bengals.
While the details of Hamlin's health aren't yet clear, the incident is part of a long history of athletes suffering cardiac events during competition in sports, such as football, soccer, and hockey.
Dozen of other such incidents have occurred in the past few decades, some of them fatal. While heart problems in elite athletes are rare, they can occur because of underlying conditions, including undiagnosed heart disease or genetic abnormalities, which are exacerbated by intense exercise and physical stress, according to research published in 2019.
Getting hit in the chest with enough force can also disrupt the heartbeat, a condition called commotio cordis, which is also rare but can be caused by an object like a hockey puck or baseball, or contact with another player.
While pro athletes are routinely screened for medical conditions, some risks are difficult to predict or prevent, resulting in shocking and occasionally deadly mid-game medical emergencies."
"Underlying conditions"... "undiagnosed heart disease"... "genetic abnormalities". "Exacerbated by intense exercise and physical stress..."
I'm going with these for the time being.
Factually-based opinions from medical professionals, whose opinions have more weight than anybody on Facebook or Twitter.
Oh... about the NFL and its decisions.
The game where Hamlin was injured was finally postponed after it was clear that none of the players were in any emotional shape to continue. The game was critical in determining playoff positioning and seeding for the beginning of playoff season a week and a half from now. The NFL has a decision to make as to whether make up this game... cancel it altogether... or push the playoffs back in order to accommodate the finishing of the game at some later date. Their decision will have ramifications on a group of teams currently fighting for playoff positioning.
The play itself where Hamlin was injured was most definitely a routine tackle, which obviously factors into the determinations being made as we speak as to the possible causes for the injury. Until more knowledgeable minds than you or I come to some sort of conclusions, the cause remains unknown. The league (NFL) meanwhile, finds itself in the unenviable position of having to delicately balance the still uncertain outcome of Hamlin's recovery, with the need to finish the season and begin the playoffs.
it could be that the media is just focusing on these incidents more currently but as i said in my original post in this thread, i have noticed several people i know who i considered young & in good health; whose health has deteriorated over the last few years. four of the guys have had heart issues. the causes of their health deterioration could be many but the one thing they have in common is that they are all covid vaccinated & boosted. now in saying that i also have friends that have been vaccinated & had booster shots who are still in good health. underlying conditions"... "undiagnosed heart disease"... "genetic abnormalities are definitely causes but it also a fact that when you mix chemicals you will get reactions. you can go with whatever you like, i'm happy to say i will never know what the cause was. cheers for the information on the nfl. i figured it was about the game being called off & affecting points & standings. the cause will always remain unknown to you & i. you will either choose to believe the conclusion presented to you or not, i'll file the information away in my mind as a definite possibility of cause but i will never know that to be true. hey look at us, having a slightly civil conversation so far. happy new year to year titofan, i hope you are successful in all your pursuits this year
It's my long held opinion that we have to be careful when we make correlations. It can be a pitfall... and after taking a course in Statistics in college I have a healthy respect for correlation studies. So mentioning that some people you know that you considered young and in good health, and have had heart issues... and making the correlation with COVID vaccines... is a bit of a slippery slope. Granted... you immediately clarified that you know other friends who have had the vaccines and are still in good health. Something to consider, of course.
IMHO it's always healthy to hold off on speculation until one has gathered enough information to make an informed, intelligent, rational opinion. And still we could be wrong.
But I'm glad we're not arguing about this particular subject, and yes... we've been having a civil conversation so far.
Thanks for the well wishes, TIC. You as well. May the coming year bring good things for you and your loved ones.
And I was happy to clear up the issue with the NFL. I can definitely understand how those who don't follow the league could be confused about certain things.
Right now I think they're going to try to finish the game at some point. Maybe eliminating the bye week that normally follows the Conference Championships and heading into the Super Bowl. It would make the most sense.