were mayweathers gloves heavyer then judahs

and if they had the same gloves i feel zab would have stopped mayweather in the fourth. he landed a straight left but mayweather took some of the blow on his gloves

no, they were both 8oz, they were just FAR bigger, which made blocking punches easier ;)

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and if they had the same gloves i feel zab would have stopped mayweather in the fourth. he landed a straight left but mayweather took some of the blow on his gloves

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http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...c,29529.0.html

so u agree

yes ;)

He could of stopped him in the fourth if he hadn't gone nuts when he rocked Floyd and hadn't started lunging at his gloves when his ribs where wide open.

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He could of stopped him in the fourth if he hadn't gone nuts when he rocked Floyd and hadn't started lunging at his gloves when his ribs where wide open.

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Another way to look at it... perhaps those puffy gloves saved Judah seeing as how he took about 100 punches more than Floyd, and his chin has been suspect in the past. Maybe those gloves allowed Judah to finish the fight a little lumpy, rather than dancing about the ring with his wobbly legs.

People need to drop it... it was a decisive win. Judah was only in the fight until Mayweather figured him out. It wasn't gloves, or a 10th round brawl. It was Judah being outclassed by the better man. Judah even admitted that the better man won.

Just acknowledge that Judah was outdone... and hope for a rematch. Since you feel Judah is better, Judah will clearly dominate Floyd in the rematch.

Judah came with a game plan, Floyd figured it out and retaliated, Judah could not answer, he retreated into survival mode, and then into desperation mode with a punch to the balls. A champion makes adjustments. Things don't go the champs way from the openning bell everytime. But by the end of the fight, the champ has adjusted and taken control of the fight, and as a result secured the win.

I doubt they had more padding on the Knuckles, no one would wear them... Winnings or who ever they are make gloves to sell... ;).

Zab does the Chicken dance when he's caught cold... every clean punch Floyd hit him with that could of rocked him, he saw coming but failed to defend... hence no chicken dance.

Floyd's not a big puncher either.

I'm not saying Judah wasn't out done... he had the fight and let it slip... I'm not a fan of either fighter

Another thing... with Mayweather's 'massive' gloves, Zab had more to block... yet he failed to do that.

This debate is futile. I'll bet you not even Zab would blame the loss on Mayweather's gloves.

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He could of stopped him in the fourth if he hadn't gone nuts when he rocked Floyd and hadn't started lunging at his gloves when his ribs where wide open.

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Another way to look at it... perhaps those puffy gloves saved Judah seeing as how he took about 100 punches more than Floyd, and his chin has been suspect in the past. Maybe those gloves allowed Judah to finish the fight a little lumpy, rather than dancing about the ring with his wobbly legs.

People need to drop it... it was a decisive win. Judah was only in the fight until Mayweather figured him out. It wasn't gloves, or a 10th round brawl. It was Judah being outclassed by the better man. Judah even admitted that the better man won.

Just acknowledge that Judah was outdone... and hope for a rematch. Since you feel Judah is better, Judah will clearly dominate Floyd in the rematch.

Judah came with a game plan, Floyd figured it out and retaliated, Judah could not answer, he retreated into survival mode, and then into desperation mode with a punch to the balls. A champion makes adjustments. Things don't go the champs way from the openning bell everytime. But by the end of the fight, the champ has adjusted and taken control of the fight, and as a result secured the win.

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If anything, the winnings gloves had less padding around the knuckles. Think about it. They are twice as big as Judah's gloves, yet way the same. So all that weight and padding has to spread out along a much larger surface, thus making them actually lighter around the fist, and possibly packing more of a punch. One thing is for sure, they certainly aided in Floyd's defense.

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You agree with my little theory?

you noticed?

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http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...c,29529.0.html

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and if they had the same gloves i feel zab would have stopped mayweather in the fourth. he landed a straight left but mayweather took some of the blow on his gloves

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Your stupid if they had the same gloves Mayweather would have broken his hand ko'ing Judah.

Also did you listen to the commentating at all they distinctly said that gloves weighed the same weight... And even if they were heavier for Floyd that makes you punch slower, and it pads your punches more and means you don't hit as hard.

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He could of stopped him in the fourth if he hadn't gone nuts when he rocked Floyd and hadn't started lunging at his gloves when his ribs where wide open.

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That's what you said.
This is what I read:
He could of stopped him in the fourth if he wasn't Zab Judah.

Floyd did have huge air balloons. It did help him. Not saying he would have lost, but it did help him.
Even HBO had to explain that Floyd's air bags were OK to use.

Anybody who says boxing gloves don't matter... better do their research.

But that's the gloves they decided on, and Judah lost.

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Floyd did have huge air balloons. It did help him. Not saying he would have lost, but it did help him.
Even HBO had to explain that Floyd's air bags were OK to use.

Anybody who says boxing gloves don't matter... better do their research.

But that's the gloves they decided on, and Judah lost.

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Fair statement, but Zab was landing until Floyd made adjustments, and even after that, most of the punches Zab missed with were weaved, not blocked. So really, how did they help? Maybe by cushioning his hands, but like you said, Zab agreed. Same gloves or different, the outcome would have been the same. It's not like those gloves got bigger.

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Floyd did have huge air balloons. It did help him. Not saying he would have lost, but it did help him.
Even HBO had to explain that Floyd's air bags were OK to use.

Anybody who says boxing gloves don't matter... better do their research.

But that's the gloves they decided on, and Judah lost.

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So really, how did they help?

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I wouldn't say that so lightly. Reyes gloves has compacted and hardened packed horse hair.

Erik Morales loves Winning gloves. He used to handily defeat Pacquiao in the first fight.

But in the rematch Erik Morales found that...

Klingons were originally humans, yes. :detective: Long ago, they were. But they were a barbaric human culture and loved boxing.
To the point where they only allowed their fighters to use Reyes gloves.
See, here's a picture of a Klingon.



And see, Erik Morales found out the hard way, to become a Klingon. ;)

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Floyd did have huge air balloons. It did help him. Not saying he would have lost, but it did help him.
Even HBO had to explain that Floyd's air bags were OK to use.

Anybody who says boxing gloves don't matter... better do their research.

But that's the gloves they decided on, and Judah lost.

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So really, how did they help?

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I wouldn't say that so lightly. Reyes gloves has compacted and hardened packed horse hair.

Erik Morales loves Winning gloves. He used to handily defeat Pacquiao in the first fight.

But in the rematch Erik Morales found that...

Klingons were originally humans, yes. :detective: Long ago, they were. But they were a barbaric human culture and loved boxing.
To the point where they only allowed their fighters to use Reyes gloves.
See, here's a picture of a Klingon.



And see, Erik Morales found out the hard way, to become a Klingon. ;)

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So, it was the gloves, not the adjustments, or Floyd's higher boxing IQ, or the brutal body beating he was giving Zab, or even the fact that Zab was discouraged after he saw Floyd could take any of his punches. Is that what you're saying? I don't think it is, but you're starting to sound like Sal. ;D

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Originally Posted by Gyrokai

Floyd did have huge air balloons. It did help him. Not saying he would have lost, but it did help him.
Even HBO had to explain that Floyd's air bags were OK to use.

Anybody who says boxing gloves don't matter... better do their research.

But that's the gloves they decided on, and Judah lost.

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So really, how did they help?

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I wouldn't say that so lightly. Reyes gloves has compacted and hardened packed horse hair.

Erik Morales loves Winning gloves. He used to handily defeat Pacquiao in the first fight.

But in the rematch Erik Morales found that...

Klingons were originally humans, yes. :detective: Long ago, they were. But they were a barbaric human culture and loved boxing.
To the point where they only allowed their fighters to use Reyes gloves.
See, here's a picture of a Klingon.



And see, Erik Morales found out the hard way, to become a Klingon. ;)

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So, it was the gloves, not the adjustments, or Floyd's higher boxing IQ, or the brutal body beating he was giving Zab, or even the fact that Zab was discouraged after he saw Floyd could take any of his punches. Is that what you're saying? I don't think it is, but you're starting to sound like Sal. ;D

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Hahaha. :D

I'm just saying gloves matter. ;D

But your right, it was "Floyd's higher boxing IQ, or the brutal body beating he was giving Zab, or even the fact that Zab was discouraged after he saw Floyd could take any of his punches."

Thats one of the most complete explainations of that fight, I've heard yet, by the way.

So in all fairness, shouldn't Zab have torn up Floyd's face with the smaller gloves?
What if Floyd wore smaller gloves and still landed the shots he did?
Couldn't he possibly have knocked Zab out in return?

Coulda, shoulda, woulda.

One could make any excuse to justify a fighter's loss.
But at the end of the day the better fighter won.
Even Zab ackowledged that.
Zab credited Floyd's superior defense work after the fight. Didn't say anything about the gloves.

And besides, white gloves look even bigger than they actually are.
Film yourself with a camcorder wearing a white sweater, then film yourself wearing a black sweater.
The white sweater looks huge!

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Floyd did have huge air balloons. It did help him. Not saying he would have lost, but it did help him.
Even HBO had to explain that Floyd's air bags were OK to use.

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and of corse they didnt say it that way,


ud think theyd say "those giant gloves you see are ok"

but they said "judahs gloves look too small, but they are 8oz" ::**

Im bored of the gloves theory and the roger mayweather one also.
I was a neutral in this fight and zab got beat fair and square
just wasnt good enough
put it to rest and move on..............

Those big giant clown gloves looked like thos inflatable ones people buy for parties.

Massive inflatable gloves + 2 piss heads + a bouncy castle = shitloads of fun ;D