Are we? It is as obvious as Bivol v Beterbiev... or Spence v Crawford.
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Are we? It is as obvious as Bivol v Beterbiev... or Spence v Crawford.
Get a four man tournament going Alvarez, Tom Morello, benavidez and Andrade(if he'd actually take any of these fights) that'd be a nice collection of undefeated super middle weights and Alvarez.. could be fun, to make it happen you'd probably have to give Alvarez the easiests of the four though and then make the Tom Morello v benavidez fight, so it unfortunately won't happen.
Gotta admit, I’m kinda hoping Canelo v Benavidez gets announced after he beats Ryder. He usually fights in May and September.
tom morello from rage?Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
i would love for that to happenQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
david b don't want that david m smoke
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Originally Posted by TICi would love for that to happenQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
That makes 3 of us.
Would be a great fight for the records. Personally, I think Morrell beats Canelo on points. But the Benavidez fight with Morrell would be hell on earth... I can imagine the middle rounds on that one. Pure fire!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
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Originally Posted by ykdadamajaWould be a great fight for the records. Personally, I think Morrell beats Canelo on points. But the Benavidez fight with Morrell would be hell on earth... I can imagine the middle rounds on that one. Pure fire!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Benavidez been chasing Canelo for quite some time now. Why should he fight anyone else first?
I know, right. But a better fight in my eyes would be with Morrell.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaWould be a great fight for the records. Personally, I think Morrell beats Canelo on points. But the Benavidez fight with Morrell would be hell on earth... I can imagine the middle rounds on that one. Pure fire!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Benavidez been chasing Canelo for quite some time now. Why should he fight anyone else first?
For the record, I reckon Canelo will win tonight , probably late stoppage. But I do think Ryder is gonna give him a very tough fight.
Not a hater, but I do think Canelo is ever so slightly on the downslide. Wrong side of 30, little injuries here and there, his style taking its toll, and he no longer has the advantages he once had, nor the desire. It’s totally natural, not really a criticism.
He even mentioned if he lost tonight, that’s it. He never speaks like that.
I think he’s looking to limp his way into retirement without hopefully having any wars. Not sure that’s gonna happen though.
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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Stop it. Canelo's 32 years old, well within what is normally considered the peak years of boxing. Also when you say he "no longer has the advantages he once had." What do you mean, exactly? Because I can list a myriad of advantages which if anything, have been cemented over time. Desire? Meh. You might have a point.
You see... I don't want to be part of the group that if and when Canelo gets beaten by a Benavidez or a Morrell (let's not kid ourselves... Ryder will be another cakewalk)... I don't want to be part of the group that when that happens, excuses Canelo as being "past his prime." I'm looking forward to Canelo getting thoroughly beaten (again) while totally in his prime. This is the reason the fight with Benavidez needs to happen sooner rather than later. Time is of the essence. Canelo's hemming and hawing and looking at the calendar.
He wants "legacy"?? Benavidez is waiting.
Alvarez and totally natural sounds a bit of an odd combination:SQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
You just said it, why the desperation and time being of the essence, if he is “well within the peak years of boxing.” ?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Stop it. Canelo's 32 years old, well within what is normally considered the peak years of boxing. Also when you say he "no longer has the advantages he once had." What do you mean, exactly? Because I can list a myriad of advantages which if anything, have been cemented over time. Desire? Meh. You might have a point.
You see... I don't want to be part of the group that if and when Canelo gets beaten by a Benavidez or a Morrell (let's not kid ourselves... Ryder will be another cakewalk)... I don't want to be part of the group that when that happens, excuses Canelo as being "past his prime." I'm looking forward to Canelo getting thoroughly beaten (again) while totally in his prime. This is the reason the fight with Benavidez needs to happen sooner rather than later. Time is of the essence. Canelo's hemming and hawing and looking at the calendar.
He wants "legacy"?? Benavidez is waiting.
Different people deteriorate at different times, I think Canelo is on the slide, not massively, but noticeably.
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Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou just said it, why the desperation and time being of the essence, if he is “well within the peak years of boxing.” ?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Stop it. Canelo's 32 years old, well within what is normally considered the peak years of boxing. Also when you say he "no longer has the advantages he once had." What do you mean, exactly? Because I can list a myriad of advantages which if anything, have been cemented over time. Desire? Meh. You might have a point.
You see... I don't want to be part of the group that if and when Canelo gets beaten by a Benavidez or a Morrell (let's not kid ourselves... Ryder will be another cakewalk)... I don't want to be part of the group that when that happens, excuses Canelo as being "past his prime." I'm looking forward to Canelo getting thoroughly beaten (again) while totally in his prime. This is the reason the fight with Benavidez needs to happen sooner rather than later. Time is of the essence. Canelo's hemming and hawing and looking at the calendar.
He wants "legacy"?? Benavidez is waiting.
Different people deteriorate at different times, I think Canelo is on the slide, not massively, but noticeably.
Fair enough to say that you think he's on the decline, and I don't. But the fact of the matter is... the longer the fight takes to happen... the more excuses Canelo and his fans are going to have when he loses.
canelo still beats both if the fights happen in the next year from now. david b is easy work for david mQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaWould be a great fight for the records. Personally, I think Morrell beats Canelo on points. But the Benavidez fight with Morrell would be hell on earth... I can imagine the middle rounds on that one. Pure fire!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
i think john will give canelo a good fight. john should already have been a champion & has always fought well. he is not elite but is a tough fight for anyone around middle & super middle. i think it goes the distance. i agree that canelo could be on a slide decline. i don't think canelo will limp into retirement, but a couple of easy paydays is not impossible to end his career. i think canelo will face at least one if not two top challenges before he hangs them upQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I hear what you’re saying, and trust me, if he loses, there are no excuses, so fuck what his fans think.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou just said it, why the desperation and time being of the essence, if he is “well within the peak years of boxing.” ?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Stop it. Canelo's 32 years old, well within what is normally considered the peak years of boxing. Also when you say he "no longer has the advantages he once had." What do you mean, exactly? Because I can list a myriad of advantages which if anything, have been cemented over time. Desire? Meh. You might have a point.
You see... I don't want to be part of the group that if and when Canelo gets beaten by a Benavidez or a Morrell (let's not kid ourselves... Ryder will be another cakewalk)... I don't want to be part of the group that when that happens, excuses Canelo as being "past his prime." I'm looking forward to Canelo getting thoroughly beaten (again) while totally in his prime. This is the reason the fight with Benavidez needs to happen sooner rather than later. Time is of the essence. Canelo's hemming and hawing and looking at the calendar.
He wants "legacy"?? Benavidez is waiting.
Different people deteriorate at different times, I think Canelo is on the slide, not massively, but noticeably.
Fair enough to say that you think he's on the decline, and I don't. But the fact of the matter is... the longer the fight takes to happen... the more excuses Canelo and his fans are going to have when he loses.
Ryder will go down in 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I just loved how when Morrell was asked what's next it was all about fighting Benavidez and Canelo wasn't really even mentioned. Both top guys should read a page or two from 'history o' Nelo' and be weary of waiting, abiding or lining up for a slow walk shot at the bespeckled golden goose that is Canelo. Make this fight and I'm a happy man. Style wise great great mash up. Smooth southpaw with pop may give Benavidez big problems but tbh professionally, Morrell has hardly had a round of adversity or been punched in the teeth remotely close to a Benavidez. And it's not dominating while facing grade A or even B guys. Awesome thing about the both of them that is lacking a bit today is the supreme confidence of both. You cannot 'train' genuine hardened self belief and willingness to face a monster.
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Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI hear what you’re saying, and trust me, if he loses, there are no excuses, so fuck what his fans think.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou just said it, why the desperation and time being of the essence, if he is “well within the peak years of boxing.” ?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Stop it. Canelo's 32 years old, well within what is normally considered the peak years of boxing. Also when you say he "no longer has the advantages he once had." What do you mean, exactly? Because I can list a myriad of advantages which if anything, have been cemented over time. Desire? Meh. You might have a point.
You see... I don't want to be part of the group that if and when Canelo gets beaten by a Benavidez or a Morrell (let's not kid ourselves... Ryder will be another cakewalk)... I don't want to be part of the group that when that happens, excuses Canelo as being "past his prime." I'm looking forward to Canelo getting thoroughly beaten (again) while totally in his prime. This is the reason the fight with Benavidez needs to happen sooner rather than later. Time is of the essence. Canelo's hemming and hawing and looking at the calendar.
He wants "legacy"?? Benavidez is waiting.
Different people deteriorate at different times, I think Canelo is on the slide, not massively, but noticeably.
Fair enough to say that you think he's on the decline, and I don't. But the fact of the matter is... the longer the fight takes to happen... the more excuses Canelo and his fans are going to have when he loses.
:thumb: We agree.
In a nutshell, here's the ideal scenario, and one that would gain me some respect for Canelo.
He can rematch Bivol if he insists. That's neither here nor there for me. Bivol already proved his dominance over Canelo, and the only thing missing from that fight was a knockout ending. 168... 175... makes no difference to me. Get it over with, if Canelo wants it so bad (redemption, heh-heh). Bivol seems anxious for another mega payday... so why not. But do it soon and NEXT.
If not, then all roads lead through Benavidez. But here's where my wishes become fantasy. Make the fight in a neutral site, for once. Vegas is not neutral. Vegas is Canelo-Land. Let's not kid ourselves. An opponent has no shot at getting a decision there... and before someone chirps up and says "Oh but how about Bivol and Mayweather"... I'll shut that one down by saying there would've been a federal inquiry had the judges stolen those decisions from them two. And we all know what happened with the scoring in those fights, so no need to go into THAT.
So Canelo fights Benavidez next... in a neutral site... honest attempts to find judges NOT on the WBC or Canelo payroll... and let's get it on.
But... this being a fantasy... I then stumble outside the next day and find that someone accidentally dropped a million dollars outside my front door.
More realistically... Canelo will finish his career with a couple more "gimmies"... and ride off into the sunset claiming some sort of otherworldly status... buoyed by his legions of fans (including casuals), who will fawn and defend every fight on his record. He'll go off and play golf and go into acting (soaps) and do whatever the hell else he feels like doing.
this fight could be set for october
That's why I like the fight with David M v David B... I see a classic here. Something we would talk about for years to come from what we were allowed to witness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
So the net chatter has it...Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/06...not-happening/
https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-new...october/264269
Being reported as official! Big brass sets on both staking claims at 175 division. Early 2025 likely and I think the biggest snag is the platform roll out and execution thus far. This is not an undercard fight and merits full top billing. Just off division debuts I still think Benavidez chews Morrell up down the stretch. That pose and pop stuff cannot keep the pace with Benavidez.
glad to hear they got this done
Yea. Forget about Canelo. Winner takes on winner of the Bivol v Beterbiev fight. Love it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
i'd like to see the winners fight each otherQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaYea. Forget about Canelo. Winner takes on winner of the Bivol v Beterbiev fight. Love it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Apparently the fight is set for February 25 in Las Vegas. Can't wait for this one...Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi'd like to see the winners fight each otherQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaYea. Forget about Canelo. Winner takes on winner of the Bivol v Beterbiev fight. Love it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
are you talking about david m v david b? it's scheduled for february first
Being honest in this current era it's very unique to have a full card firmed up some 3+ months out. Used to be very common and nice to see. Pbc and Amazon take a ton of shite from some media types but imo they have the best production going. Now if only they could graduate into bimonthly consistent non ppv cards :-X. It would be a real shot in the arm for the sport. Oh and having big cards on primetime Saturday nights once again would be awesome.
ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
These episodes are interesting and the card is stacked.
Benavidez was a fat child who trained hard and became a top boxer.
I like Morrell and is a talented Cuban boxer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JWP7J-Txtc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-RAmcexcVo
this is the fight i am most looking forward to among the current scheduled fights & that's saying a lot with the current line up. both guys are in their prime & stack up very evenly. david b has the slight height advantage & david m has the reach advantage. this should be pure excitement
Agreed. This should be a hell of a fight. I favor Benavidez, but wouldn't rule out Morrell pulling out the upset.
Been in and out of the lead up but this one is hot. Very much looking forward to the main. I have Benavidez down the stretch and pulling away with volume. Morrell will show up and show out no doubt and can sneak Benavidez with showy shots early on. Brandon Figueroa vs Stephan Fulton rematch should be solid. Not sure how steady Fulton is currently and might lean to Brandon for the W. Asking price in a kick in the arse and makes zero sense. Also noticed it's available on old school cable ppv at the same price :p.
Morell looks stronger. This will come down to the will of Benavidez and if he can make Morell soften up and quit in his mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
prelims
https://youtu.be/qENH6TwOpds
main card should start in about two & a half hours