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Does Haney move up or can he still make 135?
If Haney stays at 135 should he rematch Lomachenko, or fight Davis or Stevenson in his next fight?
If Haney moves up to 140 who do you think his 1st opponent should be?
If Haney moves up what's the best fight to make at 135?
Should Lomachenko remain at 135 or drop down a weight?
Who emerges as undisputed at 135 if Haney moves up?
Thoughts?
As the undisputed champion in 135 he would be entitled to fight a champion at 140.
Winner of Josh Taylor Vs Lopez?
If he stays at 135 it’s Tank or Shakur.
Haney will go where he can make the most money if it means staying at lightweight and immediately taking on Davis or Shakur he will. Haney will not want to make ordinary defences of the title against anyone else.
Haney will not want to rematch Loma. In fact, it would be good for Loma to take on Tank or Stevenson. These are the best fights at the weight. I think Shakur Stevenson is the best of the lot but has a way to prove it.
If Haney moves up he is good enough to take on one of the belt holders, if permitted, such as Prograis, Romero, and Matias. Then if he is successful Haney faces the winner of Josh or Teo.
I would like to see Loma move down in weight if he continues. He is small for 135, and the top guys aren’t better, they are just really difficult for him to beat because he has to wear them down prior to going all out. His punches don’t have the same effect at all, and the size difference exhausts him. Tank is a very interesting fight in my opinion, but I don’t want to see him get overwhelmed by Stevenson.
If I was Haney I would move up to fight the Teo vs Taylor winner. Both are damaged good at this point and he can minimize risk while becoming s unified champ at a second weight. If Teo somehow beats Taylor, the immediate hype for that fight only adds to its attractiveness and potential payout. On the other hand, I would avoid Tank and Shakur at all costs if I was Haney- I feel like he matches up poorly and loses to both/either.
tank is the big fight to make if devin can make lightweight again. if devin goes to one forty he could use his wbo belt to become mandatory to the josh v teo winner. if devin stays at one thirty five & doesn't rematch loma, is that a duck? if devin moves up i think loma v shakur is the best fight to make. i'd love to see loma v joe cordina at one thirty. i also think shakur is the best at lightweight, he just needs to prove it in the ring
lightweight would be a great division right now for a wbss type tournament
as much as i would love Haney, Tank and Shakur to mix it, I think Haney's time at 135 is up. He's gonna have to move up in weight , but with Boxing politics being what they are , and Haney , in my opinion not being universally liked, I'm not sure he's gonna get the fights he wants or deserves at LWW.
If that is true then Haney should stay at lightweight. There are bigger fights at the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
He can't mate. he has been at 135 since he was a teenager , he's outgrown the weight . If he fights Tank or Shakur and gets beat because he's drained at the weight , everybody will cry "Excuse" and to a degree , fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIf that is true then Haney should stay at lightweight. There are bigger fights at the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Only he knows if he can do the weight safely and keep his strength. and if he can't , he's got no choice but to move up.
It's going to a bit tough for both I believe. Haney is in a pickle as he's been talking move up for last couple of fights and honestly needs to if for nothing else but for the health factors of boiling down to 135 again. But I really need to see Haney vs Tank or Shakur off of an extremely disputed win vs Loma. And it sounds life there's no hope for a rematch. He jumps now it just feels he's leaving too many legacy challenges undone. Then again I don't fancy his chances with Tank tbh. He doesn't have the fire power and under pressure he does not strike me as complete and confident. The left eraser of Tank is a different animal to that of Lomas. Favor Shakur over him right now. But in fairness, what has Shakur done at 135? You can have all the talent but jumping divisions matters as a proven ground. Shakur vs Haney needs to happen. 140 is a shark tank right now but should Teo win :-X that also looks like an easy match to make with Haney. But Haney better pack his lunch at 140.
Or we could see the belts fracture now and mandatories thrown at Haney.
i see devin v tank as an even fight going in. tank has struggled to pin down opponents before but his power can turn the fight at any point. to be fair to shakur, isaac cruz, william zepeda & george kambosos turned down fights with him, shuichiro yoshino accepted the fight as shakur went down the ratingsQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
You are probably right that Haney will move up to the next weight class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraHe can't mate. he has been at 135 since he was a teenager , he's outgrown the weight . If he fights Tank or Shakur and gets beat because he's drained at the weight , everybody will cry "Excuse" and to a degree , fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIf that is true then Haney should stay at lightweight. There are bigger fights at the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Only he knows if he can do the weight safely and keep his strength. and if he can't , he's got no choice but to move up.
However I get the feeling he can make the weight and using it as a negotiating tool for making the big fights against Tank and Shakur. If he had extra time to rehydrate inserted in the contract he will stay in the division.
Tough for Haney as staying as close as he did with Loma or Kambosos II will be to his detriment with Tank. He simply does not have the firepower to detour an also defensivley improved Tank. The inside downward clinching up on a squat Davis, getting caught up in too many exchanges, not good. Shakur was fine with Yoshino. Didn't expect Cruz or Kambobos for a 135 debut really, he just literally only has half a dozen months and 1 fight at 135. Jumping divisions matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi see devin v tank as an even fight going in. tank has struggled to pin down opponents before but his power can turn the fight at any point. to be fair to shakur, isaac cruz, william zepeda & george kambosos turned down fights with him, shuichiro yoshino accepted the fight as shakur went down the ratingsQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I think Haney waits to see what happens with Taylor vs. Lopez & also to see if a rematch with Lomachenko is ordered by the WBO or the WBC
He could target an easy title & transition fight at 140 against Romero
Does Haney have more bargaining power at 140 as undisputed lightweight champion or 140 title holder?
If Haney stays at 135 then I want to see him fight Stevenson, Davies or rematch Lomachenko
Welllllll..... I don't know about Loma and the lightweight division.
But I think I know what's next for Haney. :D :cool:
Seems Eddie Hearn wants for Haney to fight Rolly for the WBA 140-pound title.
I have a better idea.
Why don't Haney, Rolly, and Ryan hold their own "mini-tournament" at 140 for the WBA strap? :D
Whoever comes out on top can call themselves "The Face of Boxing." :-X
Prograis, Matias, Taylor, and Lopez need not apply. :cool:
This will be a private party. ;D
there's a bit of talk about devin fighting regis. i think jack catterall gets regis next
how bout they just give ismael a rematch first?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Speaking to the 3 Knockdown Rule, Arum revealed that he has not had any conversations with Devin's manager and father Bill Haney, but this has not stopped the 91-year-old detailing his plans for the young American star.
"I haven’t talked to Bill about it," Arum responded when asked about Haney's next move.
"Bill is doing what a manager should do, he’s a father, but a manager also and that’s to look for the best opportunity for Devin.
"I’ve come up with three in my imagination, one maybe the winner of Taylor and Teofimo at 140 if he wants to go up in weight.
"Secondly, there is a fight with Shakur, that would be massive because everybody would want to see that fight.
"And third is the rematch (with Lomachenko)."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/mma-...dccc9435&ei=31
No easy options for Haney there & Hearn was also offering Prograis
if teo has really vacated his wbo belt, devin could fight for the vacant belt
Former heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder has reportedly joined Oleksandr Usyk in signing with Saudi Arabia's Skill Challenge Promotions.
Wilder has been out of the ring since beating Robert Helenius last October via a first-round knockout. This emphatic victory followed his year layoff after his trilogy bout against Tyson Fury.
'The Bronze Bomber' was previously affiliated with Al Haymon and Premier Boxing Champions but he stated earlier this year that he is an "open agent".
ProBox TV are now reporting that he is set to join Skill Challenge Promotion and 'his arrival is expected to be formally announced next week'.
Wilder could be followed by Devin Haney, as the undisputed lightweight champion is 'on the verge' of signing with the Saudi Arabia-based promoters.
The report claims 'those in boxing circles expected Haney to re-sign with Top Rank' so this move 'represents a significant shock'.
Following his victory over Vasily Lomachenko, Haney is expected to move up to super lightweight and he could fight Teofimo Lopez or Regis Prograis next.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...b9f0df5&ei=534
PGA golf and now getting into boxing even deeper. I'm actually surprised they haven't tried to purchase a major league franchise or host the playoffs yet..Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
The lightweight division is heating up, and there are plenty of exciting possibilities for Haney, Lomachenko, and the gang. Haney could stay at 135 and defend his title or choose to move up to 140 for a new challenge. If he stays, a rematch with Lomachenko would certainly be an intriguing option, but fighting Davis or Stevenson would also bring some fireworks to the division. As for Haney's first opponent at 140, someone like Prograis or Taylor could make for an electrifying showdown. If Lomachenko stays at 135, he could continue to dominate the division or even drop down a weight class for a fresh start. And if Haney moves up, we could see an exciting race for the undisputed throne at 135 with the remaining contenders.
Haney has to like that Prograis option after watching that Zorrilla outing
It's definitely gonna be an exciting one to watch! I'm not sure what's in store for the lightweight division, but we can expect Haney and Lomachenko to continue to put on a show. It's gonna be fire, no doubt!
Saw Prograis mentioning of all people Broner :cwm13:. Dunno if he's playing games but as a fan it really does makes me rethink him more on top of the 1st gear drifter performance clocked in with Zorrilla. Confidence of other top 135/140 cannot help but soar thinking about Prograis going on 35 but I'm also not ready to write him off on a close ugly win. But a used up Broner isn't it ;D.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big J
Shakur Stevenson has revealed that he's rejected an initial offer to fight Devin Haney next.
The former featherweight and super-featherweight world champion won his first fight at lightweight in April and is now calling for a shot at the undisputed king.
Haney holds all four of the WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO world titles in the division.
In May, he narrowly outpointed Vasyl Lomachenko to retain his belts and has since discussed the possibility of moving up in weight for his next fight.
As he is a free agent after completing his three-fight deal with Bob Arum's Top Rank, Haney can take his time and figure out the best option for him.
However, there are huge possible match-ups for him, if he stays at lightweight, against Gervonta Davis (represented by Al Haymon's PBC) and Stevenson (represented by Arum's Top Rank).
With Davis currently in jail, Devin's father/trainer Bill Haney recently met with Arum for talks again and Stevenson was no doubt one of the topics discussed.
Now, Stevenson has taken to social media to explain that he's received an offer and rejected it.
The 26-year-old first sent a cryptic tweet in which he strongly hinted he was talking about Haney, but did not confirm it.
It read: "Nah, I’m not gonna take 25 per cent, but you knew that already, be realistic."
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1...y-offer-75-25/
didn't devin take twenty two percent to fight george?
Seems like a token offer. Bill Haney low balls Shakur with a 25% offer knowing he would reject it. Posturing... This way they can say, we tried to fight him but he doesn't want to fight. You never take that low ball offer or all you will get for the rest of your career is low ball offers. Haney figures he took one and now he can write his own ticket. In an ideal world, that notion is pretty wholesome. But he only got the percentages he wanted against Loma, because loma came off a layoff, then a mediocre performance and would do whatever to get his belts back. Loma had taken lower than his highest price per fight, for a while to that point. The Haney ego must be a family trait.
Watching Haney is like watching paint dry and at times, watching Shakur is like watching someone clean the brushes. The talent level between the both of them is what makes this fight appealing. Shakur knows this. No one is paying to watch Devin jab his way to sparring match title defences, like Bill Haney thinks they are. Especially with questions hanging over him after the Loma fight. In the grand scheme of things, champs are devaluing belts and the organizations now (as evidenced by the spence comment). The belts good for negotiating table because the casuals use them to gauge the watch-ability of a fight once its a mandatory or already agreed to.
Thirty-five percent seems about right. (Says we respect you, but I'm the champ. I'm in the light but you've been in the shadows recently) --25% say we're not trying to fight you but we need to keep our names relevant and keep people talking. 30 says we're not scared of you, but we have the belts and you have to bow down... Which is a hardball approach but works if you're catching someone at the right time.
as long as devin keeps that same energy when tank offers him twenty five percent
well sounds like teo's retirement is over & he wants devin
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Undisputed lightweight champion Devin Haney was arrested on a felony weapons charge Thursday in Los Angeles, according to police.
Haney, 24, was charged with carrying a concealed weapon in a vehicle and released on $35,000 bond. An Aug. 3 municipal court date was set, online court records showed.
Haney was in the back seat when police conducted a traffic stop, Bill Haney, the boxer’s father, trainer and manager, told ESPN.
The elder Haney said the charge is “a misunderstanding that will be solved when Devin goes to court. It’s unfortunate that he was arrested with his armed licensed security, and I’m confident things are going to be worked out.”
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Devin Haney's gun charge has now been dropped.
Boxing's undisputed WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO lightweight world champion was arrested last month and booked on a felony charge of carrying a concealed weapon in a vehicle.
Police told TMZ that they initially pulled the car over due to a failure to use an indicator and an unsafe lane change.
However, Haney wasn't actually driving the vehicle.
The person who was driving then confirmed to police that there was a gun in the car.
Police searched the vehicle and indeed found a semi-automatic handgun under the driver's seat.
As nobody took ownership of the gun, Haney was arrested due to the fact that the car was registered to him.
He was released on $35,000 bail and set for a court hearing.
Devin's father/trainer Bill Haney told ESPN at the time: "It's a misunderstanding that will be solved when Devin goes to court."
Now, that is exactly what has happened.
The district attorney declined to proceed with the case after Haney appeared in court on Thursday.
"The case involving Devin Haney was declined on July 27 due to insufficient evidence," the DA's office confirmed to ESPN.
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1...st-last-month/
devin has been made champion emeritus so he can fight regis next. shakur & loma are the top two contenders for the wbc belt
Prograis will need to up his game
Work on cutting off that ring
Haney's going to cause him all kinds of hell if he don't
loma has apparently turned down the fight with shakur. isaac cruz & frank martin are next in line in the wbc rankings
a purse bid is set for september fifth for shakur stevenson v frank martin
Would this be for the interim WBC title?Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Or has Haney vacated the title :confused:
it would probably be for the interim belt as who knows what's happening with the regis fight. the talk of devin v regis has gone pretty quite after devin wanted to move the date. the shakur v frank fight has been agreed to take place on espnQuote:
Originally Posted by Big JWould this be for the interim WBC title?Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Or has Haney vacated the title :confused:
So Haney is no longer Champion Emeritus :confused:
Stevenson vs. Martin is a damn good fight
Martin is my boi
But I don't see anyone beating Stevenson for a long while
That's not taking anything away from Martin
I just see Stevenson as elite :bowdown: