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Im stuck between Margarito and ODHL. I feel like Mayweather would have troble against DeLaHoya because of his size and level of opposition he has fought. DeLaHoya seldom has an easy fight and has been in with the better guys. It all depends on what he has left. Margarito is bigger and stronger than PBF but the skill isnt quite at Floyds level and im a big Margarito fan. Anyone else that could possibly beat him feel free to list.
I voted Margarito 8) and since your poll did not say at what weight I'm assuming at Welterweight is the question....Margarito is a natural Welter, Hatton isn't and thats why I feel Margarito has the best chances.....Now if it's overall who has the best chances at beating PBF then I would vote Hatton but at 140 ;)
I was thinking Welterweight at this point in time. Otherwise id say Winky had the best shot at Middle but that fight wont happen anytime soon. Ouma could beat him in the future too imoQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
PBF
Honestly...if anyone stands a chance...it'll be Hatton...only one chance for him to win though...constant pressure...then again...that may not work, but if he can keep up the work rate...I gotta lean towards Hatton.
Basically the reason being is this...against Castillo & Judah that was the only time I have ever seen Floyd have trouble & it was due to the pressure.
Floyd loves to maintain control. Pressure often negates control with many fighters.
Hatton's body work & uppercuts would be the only thing to give Floyd issues IWO.
Although Floyd was open to getting caught with a few left hooks from Judah...Judah is a southpaw & a quick one at that. Hatton being an orthodox fighter like Mayweather will make it a bit more comfy of an evening if he can keep Hatton ate bay. What he'll need to do to get by Hatton is befuddle him & move like he did against Gatti & Corrales.
He did a lot of standing & trading with Judah...basically just to prove a point I would imagine...one that he can't afford to fwock with if he's in the ring with Hatton.
I don't give any of the others a shot in Hades.
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Sorry Unknowndonor, wacko can't repeat a karma action without waiting 24 hours...but that truly deserves a :coolclick:
Heh heh heh.
judah, come thursday he will have 1ce already ;)
i voted Ricky becuase as Wacko says floyd may struggle with hattons pressure style. I do think PBF could beat all of those in that list however but hatton has the best chance.
Winky can only beat him at 154 I think PBF beats Winky at 147.
Hatton
Hatton at 147 could not bring that much pressure to PBF as he did with Tszyu at 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
Thats 7 mopre pounds on Hattons body.....
Really? Hatton at 147?Quote:
Originally Posted by The_One77
I voted Hatton, think he's got the best chance although I'd lean a bit towards PBF
Gotta say though that it baffles me how many times I've heard "it will be like the Gatti fight" when talking about a Hatton fight. Yes because Hatton and Gatti are such similar fighters. ::**
I didn't pick Margarito cause Floyd's looked his most impressive against tall guys that come forward, Corrales, N'dou for example, and he's got more room to fire to head and body. I think Hatton's got a better chance cause he doesn't leave himself open as much and is just more solid overall IMO
I just don't see the same Hatton at 147 that we saw at 140......I just don't really....
wait, the musauussa or wtf his name is fight was at WW?Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
I think he'll be a strong welterweight, he had to cut weight to make 140 and he was a big strong jr. welter so I think he'd be a pretty strong welter, maybe not as strong as Margarito but strong enough. I think Cotto would be a fairly strong welter too, both guys are big, strong jr welter's that have to cut weight to make 140, I think they could both make the transition fine, but we'll see.
That's all but impossible for Winky. 154 was hard for him to make weight, forget 147. As of right now I would say Margarito but I would still have my money on PBF. It would be a war though. Overall I think Hatton but I have to see him at 147 first.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Thats just what I'm saying, we haven't seen Hatton @ 147 so we really can't say how the 7 lbs. will carry on him.....Margarito is naturally there and hes shown he belongs.Quote:
Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
I voted Hatton.
I've been saying since Hatton-Tszyu that I can see him troubling Floyd with pressure and bodypunching much like Castillo did.
I don't think the extra weight would really change Hatton much.
I've seen him between fights looking d@mn huge.
Agreed...on all aspects...but Cotto's got to get his head straight before he competes with any of the names in the post above.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I have two thoughts on this...
First, I think Magarito could do it, if he used his height advantage in conjunction with a busy pressure lots of punches attack. You have to cut the ring and corner pbf and make him fight, not follow him around and eat his counters.
Second, a guy who will box him. I'dlike to see pbf have to carry the fight.
Have you watched Floyd-Judah yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
if Winky made it down to 147(without weakening himsel) He's the bigger stronger man against Mayweather.
I don't think any of them have a chance ODLH because FLoyd would have to move up to 154.
I voted Hatton, I think he is the only one with the stamina needed to go 12 high paced rounds with Floyd. Judah won three of the first four rounds by throwing punches, but he started slowing down after that. I think if Hatton can keep the presure on him for 12 rounds he could get the win.
Hatton doesn't have close to Judah's speed and he will countered from the begining which Floyd couldn't do against Judah. Also Judah only won 2 of the first four rounds IMO, and one of them(the first) could have easily gone Floyd's way.
It was the speed that allowed Judah to do some good work early on.
Hatton doesn't have that kind of speed by any means.
I think Floyd would rake him all night long with counters.
Floyd sucks the confidence right out of you.
If Hatton's swinging all night long and getting whacked three times every time he throws, that's gotta be discouraging to Hatton who usually has guys standing right in front of him.
If I HAD to pick someone from the list to beat Floyd, I'd say Oscar.
I think Oscar could take a fairly boring close decision against Floyd.
I hate the idea of Floyd-Oscar.
The risk isn't worth the reward for Floyd.
So what if Floyd beats a twilight Oscar? And help me gawd if he loses...
Horrible fight choice.
judah won 6 rounds, including the first and the last ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by meowza
i usually dont keep track when i watch a fight live (which i didnt)
ive since watched the fight again, and i felt zab lost after watching w/o scoring because the 6 straight rounds he lost creates the impression he is FAR behind, so i dont blame people who think PBF dominated,
i scored the fight the third tome i watched it and i think the fight was even, score the knockdown, judah wins ;)
I've got to go with Hatton. None on the list can outbox PBF so you need constant pressure or a monster puncher to get lucky, I've never seen margarito fight but from what I hear on this board he may fall into the latter category, especially since he's got a natural size advantage over Floyd. Tzyu would also have a good punchers chance against Floyd, but he's probably done now.
First off everyone seems to think Hatton is another Gatti??
I cant believe that anyone thinks Floyd will box his head off, i hear Hatton has no speed, Floyd is quicker but Hatton was beating KT to the jab everytime whcih was allowing him to get close up, people seem to think that Hatton is going to be taking four or five shots everytime he trys to get close, he wont, he is the stronger man just wait and see, Floyd will not be able to keep him off, do people really think Hatton is going to do a Gatti and just stand there hahahaha, we will see this is a 50/50 fight, Hatton will take a few shots but dont under estimate his speed and especially his jab which i think will enable him to come in and dictate the pace, where will Floyd get the room to be popping his head off as most of you think?? Hatton will only be at long range for short spaces of time.
Please please please people do not think Hatton Mayweather will be anything like Gatti-Mayweather because it wont.
Agree with you skel, Hatton has a great chance with EDUCATED pressure. His body attack is second to none, his speed is (clearly) underated and power can match a lot of boxer's. This will no way be like Gatti, Hatton is in his prime, Gatti was long past it. Hatton has only had to endure one semi-war, Gatti was worn down by several. Hatton is also a lot better at actually getting inside and when he does he's formidable.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
To address weight questions, clearly none of you have seen Hatton when he's not fighting. This guy balloons massively between fights, he's gonna have to lose less weight fighting at WW and less weight drained = more power.
I dont believe anyone else has a chance taking down PBF (At WW)
The argument of Hatton Mayweather can roll around for days & days & days...but my thinking is that Hatton has never faced anyone as slick as Floyd...Floyd has faced a few fighters that come forward & pressure like Hatton...maybe not as powerful as Hatton...but about the same style.
The pace that Hatton dictates is what will give Floyd trouble. Judah was pouring it on pretty heavy for the first four or five of their fight & it gave Floyd issues...he did adapt about the mid of the fourth & then it was on for Mayweather.
I like Floyd on the ropes...Hatton in the center of the ring.
It'll be a great fight...but not a one sided affair for either.
This could finally be our generation's shot at a recap of Hagler Hearns or Hearns Leonard...depending on how you look at it.
Let's just try & be grateful of that.
Thats the best assesment of the fight I've heard in a while, if i could CC I would.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
I was simply focusing on how Hatton has a better chance than the others that were listed, he would give Floyd the most problems And Floyd without doubt would give Ricky more problems than he has ever had.
I want this fight to happen sooooo bad, it would kill me if we missed these guys fighting in their prime. However, I think Ricky needs the publicity of another couple of State side fights to turn this into Mega fight status before it can happen.
I think you guys are being too shortsighted. Mayweather's plan has always been to be a 5 weight world champ like De La Hoya. Now he's IBF welterweight champ he'll already be making plans to move up to 154lbs.
Maybe Margarito will get a shot, maybe Judah will be able to force a rematch but I don't see either of these fighters beating Mayweather, not even close.
Hatton has yet to fight at 147 lb and letsd be honest there is no way in hell he could make 154, he's only 5ft 6 and got short little arms 147 is is max weight limit.
So Hatton and Mayweather ain't going to be getting on in the near future. Hatton's destiny lies with Cotto and Castillo not Mayweather.
Mayweather will now have his sights on the 154lb division and so it's the following names that could be future opponents for him,
1) ODH, if he gets past Mayorga this would be the big one. A massive payday for both fighters and record PPV's outside the heavyweights. A 50/50 toss up imo.
2) Shane Mosely, Could take place at 147 or 154, a natural choice for Mayweather, big name, loads of PPV's
3)Kasim Ouma, quality fighter at 154, again big matchup
4)Karmazin, A big target for Mayweather, world champ but not the best in the division. Mayweather would take him on for the chance to be 5 weight champ. Great fight.
5)Joel Julio, Still learning and a year or two away from challenging for a world title but this kid could be the future at 154 lbs so a mega clash between the two could happen in late 2007. I reckon Julio has the best chance of all of them to beat Mayweather. Huge puncher, very big and strong for the weight, and suprisingly seeing as he has hardly any amateur background, he can box.
I disagree totally Bilbo.
He might well want the 5 weight titles, but Hatton is a cash cow mate and we all know Floyd loves the $$$$$ and the Hatton Mayweather fight is by far the best option $$$$ and especially if Hatton does a number on a fighter like Castillo or Corrlaes.
This fight is certain to happen only one thing can de rail this fight one of them get sbeat badly.
Good god I hope your wrong, although what your saying makes complete and utter sense in line with Mayweather's "dream". Maybe if someone could convince Mayweather fighting possibly legendary fights and gaining legit status as a champ (instead of just the IBF at WW and not facing the real champ at JW) would cement his "All time Great" status that he seeks a lot more than flying up the weights without facing his number 1 contenders.Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
All those who are considered All time greats, faced there biggest threats. De La Hoya might have also been a five weight champion but he also fought tough fights in the better parts of his career (Hopkins, Tito and Suger Shane to name a few).
Mayweather needs to be more concerned with possible great fights with Hatton, Cotto etc. rather than his "dream."
I agree that if the money was right he might be tempted but Mayweather's goal has always been to be the fastest man to win world titles in at 5 different weights. I belive DLH did it in 10 years and Mayweather is about 7 years as a pro now.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
More than anything he wants a world title at 154 lbs now. If a Margarito fight is already scheduled and if he has to rematch Judah then that would be 2006 over.
For Mayweather the clock is ticking and he wants that 154 title bad.
Personally I see the DLH or Shane Mosely fights as the most likely of the list offered but I reckon he will already be eying up the 154 lbs now. Maybe one more fight at 147 then move up again...........
But actually I don't think Mayweather should be criticised for this. People always say he should stay and dominate one division, but actually he sets higher standards for himself. I mean to set out from the beginning with the goal of being a 5 weight world champ takes one hell of a self belief. And the quicker he fufills that goal the less likely anybody else will come close to replicating it.
Personally if he does move up again then from his point of view I think he will be doing the right thing.
I think we lose sight of the fact that Mayweather HAS faced some of the best in each division. I mean he's got wins over Hernandez, Corrales, Chavez, Castillo (twice), Gatti and now Judah.Quote:
Originally Posted by AC-Cobra
Come on, I don't see many other fighters with a better resume than that ;)
I agree with everything here. Except the risk/reward bit on Mayweather/ODH. I agree there are more exciting fights to make, but this one is clearly the single biggest moneymaker (by FAR) in all of boxing right now. Except ODH/Tyson. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by meowza
Oh yeah if we're talking money, Floyd-ODLH is a tremendous reward for Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by shza
But I was speaking more on a historical point of view.
What would this fight even mean?
Floyd beats Oscar and Floyd's detractors will say, "Oh, he just beat an over-the-hill Oscar."
Floyd loses to Oscar and they'll say, "HAHA He couldn't beat an over-the-hill Oscar!"
It's a great name for the records and a great money maker, but career-wise and for Floyd's legacy that he wants to build, this fight doesn't do much.