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Why Floyd Won - No Excuses
People are talking about Floyd's gloves, and Zab not continuing to do as well as he did in rounds 1-4... that this is why Floyd won. I think this is nonsense...
Fact is, it couldn't have possibly continued as it did in rounds 1-4 for various reasons. For one, Judah can't stick to his game plan once he starts to get hit. He is psychologically screwed from his Kostya and Baldomir experiences. He doesn't want to do that dance again. Another thing, Floyd is a masterful boxer and so if something is not working, or he is puzzled about the fighter infront of him... he will adjust, lay back even if he has to, figure his opponent out, and then execute an effective plan.
That is the difference between Zab and Floyd. Zab had his game plan and he was successful while it worked. When Floyd countered Zab's temporarily effective plan, Zab was clueless as to what to do next. They are on similar levels physically, Floyd is on his own level mentally. It is impossible to realistically think that the fight could have continued in the same fashion... Floyd, or any good champion would not allow that to happen.
Simply put, it isn't just a matter of Zab stopping what he was doing, or not making a few changes. It is the fact that those changes and adjustments are beyond him, and Floyd is ahead of Zab in boxing IQ.
As for the gloves... give me a break. The gloves are larger in surface area, but not a massive amount to change the result of a decisive victory to a loss. It is also more surface area for Zab to block (yet he managed to take absorb 100 more punches than Floyd). Perhaps the poofyness saved Zab from dancing once again. Floyd isn't a massive puncher... but neither is Baldomir.
All of the excuses are useless. Zab wanted this win more than any of you fans even. He could not do it. He did everything that he possibly could to pull out this win. Go ahead and bless him with the heart of Gatti, or the boxing brain of Ali... he doesn't have it. Judah did what he could with who he is.
The better man won... even Judah said so.
Stop discrediting a pretty good showing on Judah's part by saying that these small discrepencies kept him from victory.
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Re: Why Floyd Won - No Excuses
this thursday the result WILL be altered 8)
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and then i can return to adding captions to pictures of hulk hogan ;)
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
this thursday the result WILL be altered 8)
The fighter's records MAY (which I doubt) be altered. What happened is crystal clear and recorded for all to see over and over again through the years.
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Re: Why Floyd Won - No Excuses
With Zab's back against the wall, he still couldn't beat Floyd. Regardless of the decision, Zab is not half the fighter Floyd is.
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Floyd beat Judah's ass, and they had the same damn gloves (weight not brand), same situation in the Morales Pacquiao II, PBF's gloves were padded with foam, that's why they looked so big, same weight as Judah's no advantage minus the fact that Floyd's hands were protected more. Judah is a punk and with his little skit in the 10th he's lucky his ass didn't get DQ'd, Floyd dominated him and made him look like the bitch and joke that he is, now hopefully he can crawl back into the dark little ghetto hole he came from and never be heard of again
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Re: Why Floyd Won - No Excuses
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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
With Zab's back against the wall, he still couldn't beat Floyd. Regardless of the decision, Zab is not half the fighter Floyd is.
thats over the line >:mad
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Floyd beat Judah's a**, and they had the same damn gloves (weight not brand), same situation in the Morales Pacquiao II, PBF's gloves were padded with foam, that's why they looked so big, same weight as Judah's no advantage minus the fact that Floyd's hands were protected more. Judah is a punk and with his little skit in the 10th he's lucky his a** didn't get DQ'd, Floyd dominated him and made him look like the bitch and joke that he is, now hopefully he can crawl back into the dark little ghetto hole he came from and never be heard of again
;) yea, the world will allways hate judah, even when he becomes the first to legitimatley beat PBF, and the only way i see mayweather EVER fighting him again is if he is given a DQ...
so come on NSAC!!!
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yea except for the fact that Mayweather already OWNED Judah's ass!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
yea except for the fact that Mayweather already OWNED Judah's a**!!!!!!
:coolclick: Thank you. ;D
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
yea except for the fact that Mayweather already OWNED Judah's a**!!!!!!
:coolclick: Thank you. ;D
its all good, i KNOW he didnt own him, he beat him, but did not own him ;)
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Re: Why Floyd Won - No Excuses
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
With Zab's back against the wall, he still couldn't beat Floyd. Regardless of the decision, Zab is not half the fighter Floyd is.
thats over the line >:mad
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Zab is agood fighter, but he got beat. Whenever there is a great team, it shows that they are great because every team is gunning for them, and all the other teams bring their A-game. The great team still beats them, and gets credit. Why can't Floyd? Zab brought his A-game, and then was dominated for seven straight rounds. I'd say Floyd showed he's the better man, love him or hate him, give credit where credit is due.
I like Zab, I just get tired of hearing how good some of Floyd's opponents are, and after he beats them, he still gets no credit.
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well the roger inccident really fucked up his chance to have the glory this time
i think people are criticizing him cuz he talked alot, about how he was gonna KO zab, and zab was nothing, and they started to believe it,
and then they saw him have ALOT of trouble with somoen they thought was nothing
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Re: Why Floyd Won - No Excuses
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
well the roger inccident really fucked up his chance to have the glory this time
i think people are criticizing him cuz he talked alot, about how he was gonna KO zab, and zab was nothing, and they started to believe it,
and then they saw him have ALOT of trouble with somoen they thought was nothing
I agree with the top part. ALOT of trouble? 3 rounds is not alot of trouble, and don't even bring up the 12th, because Floyd knew Zab needed a KO, and gave him a chance by giving the round away. If you honestly think 3 rounds is alot of trouble for Floyd, then you obviously think Floyd is a great fighter. ;D
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Why is everyone saying that Floyd dominated Zab?
Basically this
Zab dominated Floyd early, Floyd adapted and was breaking Judah down, the incident happened, Zab won the last 2 rounds because Mayweather fought defensive.
Floyd didn't OWN Zab, he OWN's Gatti. But he didn't OWN Castillo or Zab ;) Zab didn't get his ass kicked.
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Re: Why Floyd Won - No Excuses
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Originally Posted by Starr
Why is everyone saying that Floyd dominated Zab?
Basically this
Zab dominated Floyd early, Floyd adapted and was breaking Judah down, the incident happened, Zab won the last 2 rounds because Mayweather fought defensive.
Floyd didn't OWN Zab, he OWN's Gatti. But he didn't OWN Castillo or Zab ;) Zab didn't get his a** kicked.
So your trying to say that at some point in the fight Zab dominated but Floyd didn't.So what do you call getting hit 188 times vs. 88 for zab.You are right he didn't dominated him like he did gatti because of course zab is better fighter than gatti but if you think zab dominated then what did floyd do? He must of did more than dominate being that he won and left the ring blemish free and judah was swelled up and bloody.If zab walked in your house with his face looking like that you know your first thought would be,"Damn who whipped your a#*!
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Domination is different then breaking a fighter down.
Domination is about damage directly dealt out.
Breaking down is sucking the life away, and takes more skill>
anyone can dominate, but it takes a master to break down.
learn the difference ;)
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Originally Posted by Starr
Domination is different then breaking a fighter down.
Domination is about damage directly dealt out.
Breaking down is sucking the life away, and takes more skill>
anyone can dominate, but it takes a master to break down.
learn the difference ;)
Oh I know the differences but it seems that you don't. So i will use words. By breaking judah down he was able to dominate him. Not being able to put up a solid offensive for 8 straight rounds and getting beat up in the process is domination. You say anyone could dominate so could you just go to the gym tomorrow and dominate Ann Wolfe?I don't think so. Domination and breaking down both take skill. But if you don't believe that I could show you. I think we from the same hood.We could get up one day. ;)
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by Starr
Domination is different then breaking a fighter down.
Domination is about damage directly dealt out.
Breaking down is sucking the life away, and takes more skill>
anyone can dominate, but it takes a master to break down.
learn the difference ;)
Oh I know the differences but it seems that you don't. So i will use words. By breaking judah down he was able to dominate him. Not being able to put up a solid offensive for 8 straight rounds and getting beat up in the process is domination.
5 straight rounds.
6, 7, 8, 9, 10
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You say anyone could dominate so could you just go to the gym tomorrow and dominate Ann Wolfe?
You take my statement out of context and add sarcasm to it not proving a point either way.
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I don't think so. Domination and breaking down both take skill. But if you don't believe that I could show you. I think we from the same hood.We could get up one day. ;)
Any fighter can overpower an opponent when they have the advantages over them and makes them so apparent they dominate them(Mayweather vs. Gatti, DLH vs. Gatti) a blow out, if you will.
But breaking down a fighter takes more skill then just using your natural advantages against an overmatched opponent.
Gainer vs. Leon is a great example of this. Floyd Mayweather vs. Judah is another good example.
Dominating is beating the life out of
Breaking down is slowly sucking the life out of
There's a difference, learn it.
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Re: Why Floyd Won - No Excuses
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Originally Posted by Starr
Domination is different then breaking a fighter down.
Domination is about damage directly dealt out.
Breaking down is sucking the life away, and takes more skill>
anyone can dominate, but it takes a master to break down.
learn the difference ;)
I agree, but then you are saying that Floyd is a master? I also agree! :D
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Re: Why Floyd Won - No Excuses
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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
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Originally Posted by Starr
Domination is different then breaking a fighter down.
Domination is about damage directly dealt out.
Breaking down is sucking the life away, and takes more skill>
anyone can dominate, but it takes a master to break down.
learn the difference ;)
I agree, but then you are saying that Floyd is a master? I also agree! :D
Oh i agree too about what the differences are but starr never got to my point from my first post which is how can you say zab dominated and not say floyd dominated?
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Originally Posted by Starr
5 straight rounds.
6, 7, 8, 9, 10
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You say anyone could dominate so could you just go to the gym tomorrow and dominate Ann Wolfe?
You take my statement out of context and add sarcasm to it not proving a point either way.
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I don't think so. Domination and breaking down both take skill. But if you don't believe that I could show you. I think we from the same hood.We could get up one day. ;)
Any fighter can overpower an opponent when they have the advantages over them and makes them so apparent they dominate them(Mayweather vs. Gatti, DLH vs. Gatti) a blow out, if you will.
But breaking down a fighter takes more skill then just using your natural advantages against an overmatched opponent.
Gainer vs. Leon is a great example of this. Floyd Mayweather vs. Judah is another good example.
Dominating is beating the life out of
Breaking down is slowly sucking the life out of
There's a difference, learn it.
Apparently you never saw that post ;)
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Re: Why Floyd Won - No Excuses
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by Starr
Domination is different then breaking a fighter down.
Domination is about damage directly dealt out.
Breaking down is sucking the life away, and takes more skill>
anyone can dominate, but it takes a master to break down.
learn the difference ;)
Oh I know the differences but it seems that you don't. So i will use words. By breaking judah down he was able to dominate him. Not being able to put up a solid offensive for 8 straight rounds and getting beat up in the process is domination.
5 straight rounds.
6, 7, 8, 9, 10
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You say anyone could dominate so could you just go to the gym tomorrow and dominate Ann Wolfe?
You take my statement out of context and add sarcasm to it not proving a point either way.
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I don't think so. Domination and breaking down both take skill. But if you don't believe that I could show you. I think we from the same hood.We could get up one day. ;)
Any fighter can overpower an opponent when they have the advantages over them and makes them so apparent they dominate them(Mayweather vs. Gatti, DLH vs. Gatti) a blow out, if you will.
But breaking down a fighter takes more skill then just using your natural advantages against an overmatched opponent.
Gainer vs. Leon is a great example of this. Floyd Mayweather vs. Judah is another good example.
Dominating is beating the life out of
Breaking down is slowly sucking the life out of
There's a difference, learn it.
Really. So you think there was a point in the fight where judah was beating the life of floyd.I mean you did say he DOMINATED the early rounds? Right?
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
this thursday the result WILL be altered 8)
We'll see... there is no way they are going to make it anything either than a draw, and we'll all know Mayweather won which is all that really matters.
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Re: Why Floyd Won - No Excuses
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
Really. So you think there was a point in the fight where judah was beating the life of floyd.I mean you did say he DOMINATED the early rounds? Right?
What Zab did
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Originally Posted by Starr
Domination is about damage directly dealt out.
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Originally Posted by Starr
Any fighter can overpower an opponent when they have the advantages over them and makes them so apparent they dominate them.
THIS is what Zab did to Mayweather early, he used his power and speed as those advantages and made it apparent. It's a more physical performance then a systematic.
it's the difference between a Mayweather Gatti, and a Mayweather Judah.
Ok now,
Floyd did this
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Originally Posted by Starr
Breaking down is sucking the life away, and takes more skill
As Judah was being "dominant" Mayweather was "breaking him down" What I mean by this as, when Judah was taking apparent advantages, Floyd was slowly taking those advantages away, causing Zab to be less dominant, and Mayweather sucks the life away.
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Originally Posted by Starr
Gainer vs. Leon is a great example of this.
I use Gainer Leon as an example of "breaking down" because early on, Leon was "dominate" against Gainer, but as Leon was "dominant" Gainer was "breaking him down" little by little. Watch that fight.
Do you get it now?
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Starr, you said breaking down a fighter takes a master, and that's what Floyd did.
So, from what you stated{in your words}, Floyd is a master. Correct?
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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
Starr, you said breaking down a fighter takes a master, and that's what Floyd did.
So, from what you stated{in your words}, Floyd is a master. Correct?
Of course Floyd is. I never discredit Floyd's skills.
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Re: Why Floyd Won - No Excuses
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Starr, you said breaking down a fighter takes a master, and that's what Floyd did.
So, from what you stated{in your words}, Floyd is a master. Correct?
Of course Floyd is. I never discredit Floyd's skills.
:coolclick: I know you know boxing, but I have to say that you are the first person{that I've read so far}, that was pulling for Zab, that gives any credit to Floyd.
I picked Lacy to KO Joe, but didn't make excuses because he lost. He got beat by the better fighter who outclassed him. I give Zab some credit, I also gave Lacy some credit for going "away" to make the fight happen, but no excuses.
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
Really. So you think there was a point in the fight where judah was beating the life of floyd.I mean you did say he DOMINATED the early rounds? Right?
What Zab did
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Originally Posted by Starr
Domination is about damage directly dealt out.
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Originally Posted by Starr
Any fighter can overpower an opponent when they have the advantages over them and makes them so apparent they dominate them.
THIS is what Zab did to Mayweather early, he used his power and speed as those advantages and made it apparent. It's a more physical performance then a systematic.
it's the difference between a Mayweather Gatti, and a Mayweather Judah.
Ok now,
Floyd did this
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Originally Posted by Starr
Breaking down is sucking the life away, and takes more skill
As Judah was being "dominant" Mayweather was "breaking him down" What I mean by this as, when Judah was taking apparent advantages, Floyd was slowly taking those advantages away, causing Zab to be less dominant, and Mayweather sucks the life away.
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Originally Posted by Starr
Gainer vs. Leon is a great example of this.
I use Gainer Leon as an example of "breaking down" because early on, Leon was "dominate" against Gainer, but as Leon was "dominant" Gainer was "breaking him down" little by little. Watch that fight.
Do you get it now?
Stop making excuses and answer the question. Your definition of domination was''beating the life out of". These are your words. This definition is not from any boxing manual or dictionary. So by your definition this is what you said,"zab beat the life out of floyd in the early rounds"lol. Do yo really believe that? I know you got a little a crush on the man but damn is love really this blind?
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Originally Posted by Starr
Why is everyone saying that Floyd dominated Zab?
Basically this
Zab dominated Floyd early, Floyd adapted and was breaking Judah down, the incident happened, Zab won the last 2 rounds because Mayweather fought defensive.
Floyd didn't OWN Zab, he OWN's Gatti. But he didn't OWN Castillo or Zab ;) Zab didn't get his a** kicked.
Do you and Sal sleep in the same bed (together)?? ;D
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
Stop making excuses and answer the question. Your definition of domination was''beating the life out of". These are your words. This definition is not from any boxing manual or dictionary. So by your definition this is what you said,"zab beat the life out of floyd in the early rounds"lol. Do yo really believe that? I know you got a little a crush on the man but damn is love really this blind?
I'm not blind. Zab was beating the life out of Floyd early, then I also said as Zab was dominant Floyd took from Zab's advantages to his own. I was actually giving Mayweather credit. And you say it's not the definition in any boxing manual or dictionary. Since when do I have to follow the dictionary with my opinion ;)
So I answered your question
You answer mine.
Was Judah dominating Floyd early or was he not?
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Re: Why Floyd Won - No Excuses
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
Stop making excuses and answer the question. Your definition of domination was''beating the life out of". These are your words. This definition is not from any boxing manual or dictionary. So by your definition this is what you said,"zab beat the life out of floyd in the early rounds"lol. Do yo really believe that? I know you got a little a crush on the man but damn is love really this blind?
I'm not blind. Zab was beating the life out of Floyd early, then I also said as Zab was dominant Floyd took from Zab's advantages to his own. I was actually giving Mayweather credit. And you say it's not the definition in any boxing manual or dictionary. Since when do I have to follow the dictionary with my opinion ;)
So I answered your question
You answer mine.
Was Judah dominating Floyd early or was he not?
Well by your definition no. the only person i saw getting the life beat out of them in that fight was judah.Did judah do better than most of floyds opponents in the early rounds?yes but unfortunately the big boys fight 12 round fights not 4 rounds. Hey think of it this way, if it was an amateur fight or the olympics he would of won. And the definition of a single english word is a fact not an opinion. Thats why we have a thing called a dictionary and if you pick one up you will see that the definiton of domination is not,"beating the life out of"
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Re: Why Floyd Won - No Excuses
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
Stop making excuses and answer the question. Your definition of domination was''beating the life out of". These are your words. This definition is not from any boxing manual or dictionary. So by your definition this is what you said,"zab beat the life out of floyd in the early rounds"lol. Do yo really believe that? I know you got a little a crush on the man but damn is love really this blind?
I'm not blind. Zab was beating the life out of Floyd early, then I also said as Zab was dominant Floyd took from Zab's advantages to his own. I was actually giving Mayweather credit. And you say it's not the definition in any boxing manual or dictionary. Since when do I have to follow the dictionary with my opinion ;)
So I answered your question
You answer mine.
Was Judah dominating Floyd early or was he not?
Well by your definition no. the only person i saw getting the life beat out of them in that fight was judah.Did judah do better than most of floyds opponents in the early rounds?yes but unfortunately the big boys fight 12 round fights
yep, and guess who won the last 2 rounds?
;)
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Re: Why Floyd Won - No Excuses
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
well the roger inccident really fucked up his chance to have the glory this time
i think people are criticizing him cuz he talked alot, about how he was gonna KO zab, and zab was nothing, and they started to believe it,
and then they saw him have ALOT of trouble with somoen they thought was nothing
The roger incident was caused by the judah low blow incident. How funny would it be if the result was changed....to mayweather wins by dq in the 10th due to a intentional low blow.
