How confident are you that AJ will beat Wilder?
As a percentage how confident are you that AJ will beat Wilder after the Helenius fight?
I have always thought that AJ would beat Wilder, in fact I thought he would brutally knockout Deontay.
Then after the defeats from Ruiz and Usyk I became less sure that AJ would win as Wilder was a champion making 10 defences of his title and his willingness to take brutal punishment from Tyson Fury in their 3rd fight.
Deontay is more than a wild puncher but not technically as good as AJ. Both have fragile chins and have the power to knockout each other.
So my answer is 55% AJ to win 45% Wilder
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As a percentage how confident are you that AJ will beat Wilder after the Helenius fight?
I have always thought that AJ would beat Wilder, in fact I thought he would brutally knockout Deontay.
Then after the defeats from Ruiz and Usyk I became less sure that AJ would win as Wilder was a champion making 10 defences of his title and his willingness to take brutal punishment from Tyson Fury in their 3rd fight.
Deontay is more than a wild puncher but not technically as good as AJ. Both have fragile chins and have the power to knockout each other.
So my answer is 55% AJ to win 45% Wilder
85%
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I favor Joshua over the latest Wilder I know. Would have loved to see Wilder show genuine interest and execution by taking a fight with say Jermaine Franklin. Or anyone with a pulse for that matter not named Fury over the last 4 years. He really didn't have an option on willingness to take punishment with Fury as it was coming one way or another ;D. And the result remained the same...and far more costly in repeated fashion. I like the jab of AJ and subtle tweeks to ultimately unravel the latest Wilder. And no way Wilder goes in that inactive after finding his way out of a perfect contender fight with Ruiz. His mouth says one thing, but actions say something different.
Re: How confident are you that AJ will beat Wilder?
60-40 in favour of wilder.
AJ could stop him and if it went distance everything says he'll get the UD. But he's hittable and I can't see wilder not connecting over twelve rounds and if he does it would likely be over.
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i'd have it sixty forty aj at this point. aj reminds me of hector camacho after the edwin rosario fight
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60-40 in favour of wilder.
AJ could stop him and if it went distance everything says he'll get the UD. But he's hittable and I can't see wilder not connecting over twelve rounds and if he does it would likely be over.
This sounds about right to me. This fight will be the tale of two fragile egos. Joshua will have to walk through the fire to get to the range where his combos will be effective. Dangerous because Joshua gets caught by loopers (ruiz) but also those straight punches that pokes holes through his guard (vlad). This could be as easy as AJ slipping the jab and getting into mid range before wilders bread and butter shot leaves the barrel, keeping his right hand high to block the left hook and then counter to start his work on the inside. Eventually, he'll catch Wilder and hurt him. If Aj cant do that, just get inside, just lean on him till the old ghosts takes Wilder's legs and ego.
The biggest train wreck comes after AJ scores a knock down. He can't afford to get overconfident and get clipped by Wilder like he has before. a shot from Wilder can end it. Wilder has the edge in resilience.
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Who would pay to see it?
They are both Div 2 Heavyweights, one humiliated by Fury, the other by Usyck.
Sorry to sit on the fence.
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Two of the biggest punching heavyweights with suspect chins.
What is not to like about this exciting matchup?
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I'd defo pay to see this one. AJ matchv wilder and usyk v wilder are more appealing as a spectacle for me than fury v usyk.
Don't get me wrong though as a boxing fan the fury usyk match up is priority.
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Two of the biggest punching heavyweights with suspect chins.
What is not to like about this exciting matchup?
Serious Question and I'm not completely arguing your statement, just curtious. But would you say Wilder and Joshua have suspect chins ?
Joshua has been stopped once in however many fights he's had and not looked "wobbly" many times.
Wilder got stopped by a 20 stone 6ft 10in Behemoth that some people think is the best HW on the planet. He was a bit wobbly in the Ortiz fight , am I missing any other occasions? Again he's had 40 odd fights I think.
I'm not sure that when you're getting hit by these fucking juggernauts nowadays , that is enough to constitute a suspect chin ?
now, Amir Khan , yeah he had a suspect chin! ;D
Re: How confident are you that AJ will beat Wilder?
The fight is about 6 years too late. Should have happened right after AJ knocked out Wlad. But that's boxing where the best don't fight each other until years later or at all. I also don't have any confidence that Fury will fight Usyk or AJ.
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Two of the biggest punching heavyweights with suspect chins.
What is not to like about this exciting matchup?
Serious Question and I'm not completely arguing your statement, just curtious. But would you say Wilder and Joshua have suspect chins ?
Joshua has been stopped once in however many fights he's had and not looked "wobbly" many times.
Wilder got stopped by a 20 stone 6ft 10in Behemoth that some people think is the best HW on the planet. He was a bit wobbly in the Ortiz fight , am I missing any other occasions? Again he's had 40 odd fights I think.
I'm not sure that when you're getting hit by these fucking juggernauts nowadays , that is enough to constitute a suspect chin ?
now, Amir Khan , yeah he had a suspect chin! ;D
Wilder has been rocked by a couple of fighters in his title defences. Fury is not a big single puncher yet has stopped Wilder twice.
AJ was wobbled by Whyte and knocked down by Wlad and out by Ruiz.
That constitutes suspect chins.
Still an exciting fight.
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Primo Carnera
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Master
Two of the biggest punching heavyweights with suspect chins.
What is not to like about this exciting matchup?
Serious Question and I'm not completely arguing your statement, just curtious. But would you say Wilder and Joshua have suspect chins ?
Joshua has been stopped once in however many fights he's had and not looked "wobbly" many times.
Wilder got stopped by a 20 stone 6ft 10in Behemoth that some people think is the best HW on the planet. He was a bit wobbly in the Ortiz fight , am I missing any other occasions? Again he's had 40 odd fights I think.
I'm not sure that when you're getting hit by these fucking juggernauts nowadays , that is enough to constitute a suspect chin ?
now, Amir Khan , yeah he had a suspect chin! ;D
Wilder has been rocked by a couple of fighters in his title defences. Fury is not a big single puncher yet has stopped Wilder twice.
AJ was wobbled by Whyte and knocked down by Wlad and out by Ruiz.
That constitutes suspect chins.
Still an exciting fight.
An exciting fight if it goes through and gets made, same with Fury fighting them all. I just got done watching a fan made career perspective of Riddick Bowe and thought wow, besides Holyfield he never fought Tyson, Lewis, Tua, Grant, Morrison, Foreman, Mercer, etc. Remember when Bowe threw his belt in the trash rather than fight Lewis? And Tyson with the exception of Lewis didn't fight those guys either. Holyfied being the great warrior he was fought them all with the exception of Grant and Tua. And the 90s heavyweight scene was considered to be the 2nd greatest HW era after the '70s. But by this time you can tell something was really wrong with the sport when the best don't fight the best. Just think Wilder vs Joshua should have happened years ago when both were undefeated.
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Master
Two of the biggest punching heavyweights with suspect chins.
What is not to like about this exciting matchup?
Serious Question and I'm not completely arguing your statement, just curtious. But would you say Wilder and Joshua have suspect chins ?
Joshua has been stopped once in however many fights he's had and not looked "wobbly" many times.
Wilder got stopped by a 20 stone 6ft 10in Behemoth that some people think is the best HW on the planet. He was a bit wobbly in the Ortiz fight , am I missing any other occasions? Again he's had 40 odd fights I think.
I'm not sure that when you're getting hit by these fucking juggernauts nowadays , that is enough to constitute a suspect chin ?
now, Amir Khan , yeah he had a suspect chin! ;D
Wilder has been rocked by a couple of fighters in his title defences. Fury is not a big single puncher yet has stopped Wilder twice.
AJ was wobbled by Whyte and knocked down by Wlad and out by Ruiz.
That constitutes suspect chins.
Still an exciting fight.
Fair Comment.
So does Fury have a suspect chin , because he was wobbled by McDermott and put down by Wilder?
I take your point , but my point is that it’s the Heavyweights, these are big guys and even someone like Fury , who is not a renowned Puncher can clump .There’s a lot of weight and power going into those punches.
So Usyk has a suspect chin, so does AJ, Wilder, Whyte, Joyce, Dubois, Ruiz. Have I missed anyone out?
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Usyk has a good chin, but suspect to body shots.
Joyce has a great chin but suspect to bruising around the eye.
Dubois has a suspect heart.
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Terms have been agreed for Anthony Joshua to fight Deontay Wilder - but the Briton may walk away if contracts are not agreed soon, Eddie Hearn says.
Promoter Hearn said Joshua could fight Tyson Fury instead, while a third go at Andy Ruiz Jr is also on the cards.
Former two-time heavyweight champion Joshua has been strongly linked with fighting Wilder with a December date in Saudi Arabia touted in recent months.
"We've agreed the money, we've agreed everything," said Hearn.
Speaking to BBC 5 Live Boxing, Hearn, who has promoted Joshua since he made his professional debut in 2013, said: "We're waiting on the official contract, but we won't wait forever."
He said Saudi Arabia as a potential location had been complicated by "a change of environment in Saudi Arabia with the operators in boxing".
Joshua, 33, has picked up two victories this year over Jermaine Franklin and Robert Helenius respectively, following consecutive defeats to unified heavyweight champion Oleksandr Usyk.
"He [Joshua] is just training away but he wants Wilder," added Hearn, who said the 2012 Olympic gold medallist wants to remain active.
"If it can't be made, he wants to stay active. If he fights in December, that'll be three fights in eight months which is incredible for him."
However, Hearn believes a super fight between Joshua and WBC heavyweight champion Fury could still be in contention, should a deal with Skills Challenge Entertainment, who Hearn has been negotiating with for the Wilder fight, fall through.
"People keep saying he should have one more fight and then fight Wilder, but we don't think so. If it ends up that way, so be it and nothing would surprise me," said Hearn.
"If he fights in December, if he fights Deontay Wilder, if he fights Tyson Fury next - nothing would surprise me."
The boxing promoter confirmed that Joshua will more than likely fight outside of England and has mentioned old rival Ruiz Jr as one potential opponent.
"There's Filip Hrgovic and there's Andy Ruiz Jr, but it probably won't take place in this country," added Hearn.
"He's had two now on the spin at The O2 Arena, so maybe we go to Madison Square Garden, somewhere in the Middle East. It's just about activity for him."
Joshua avenged his defeat to Andy Ruiz Jr in Saudi Arabia in 2019 after the Mexican sensationally knocked him out in New York at Madison Square Garden.
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Re: How confident are you that AJ will beat Wilder?
If Joshua truly wants Wilder, he'll get Wilder. ;)
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Wilder Ko 2
Not in 2. But def a KO for Wilder, for sure. I just don't see AJ handling that right hand very well.
Re: How confident are you that AJ will beat Wilder?
With the exception Fury, who has beaten Wilder 3 times, Joe Joyce whose chin is made out of Admantium, or maybe Usyk who has the skills needed to outfox him, I am never truly confident about anyone beating Wilder.
Joshua definitely has a shot, particularly if he fights like he did against Ruiz in the rematch, but if he is tempted to go for broke, then its a toss up fight.
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Anthony Joshua is looking to take a leaf out of Tyson Fury's book as he keeps himself sharp for his proposed bout with Deontay Wilder. The Watford powerhouse has acquired the services of Fury's former coach Ben Davison to keep him ticking over before he returns to his full camp in America with head coach Derrick James.
Davison helped Fury get back in shape after three years out of the ring and cornered him for his comeback fights against Sefer Seferi and Francesco Pianeta as well as his first bout with Wilder, which ended in a draw. Fury and Davison amicably parted company after the fight and remain good friends to this day.
Last year, Fury even mentioned that he would like to bring Davison back into camp to work alongside his successor SugarHill Steward. However, it is Fury's rival AJ that will benefit from Davison's input ahead of his next fight.
Joshua's camp manager, David "KD" Ghansa, has revealed that the pair have linked up while the former unified heavyweight champion looks to keep his fitness levels up in anticipation of his blockbuster showdown with Wilder.
"Anthony Joshua wants to be very active. He's currently ticking over, he's down at the Ben Davison Performance Centre at the moment," he told Boxing King Media. "He's ticking over with Ben, Jamie TKV, we had him in our camps in Dallas a couple times.
"So he's still active. When he's got a date, you'll see him back out in Dallas with Derrick James continuing the work." Joshua's team will be hoping that when he returns to Dallas it will be to prepare for the Wilder bout which is proving to be difficult to get over the line.
The contest was initially touted for December, then January, but it looks more likely that it will take place in either February or March now due to a shift in the Saudi Arabian boxing landscape. According to multiple reports, the lion's share of the Kingdom's funding has been re-directed to Turki Alalshikh, the chairman of the General Entertainment Authority rather than Prince Khalid's Skills Challenge - who had initially made offers to promote the event.
The General Entertainment Authority are staging both of Fury's next two fights against former UFC title holder Francis Ngannou and WBO, IBF and WBA heavyweight champion Oleksandr Usyk - and appear to be the promotional outfit with the money to get Joshua vs Wilder over the line.
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