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Heavyweights Moses Itauma and Johnny Fisher will feature on the undercard of Tyson Fury's rematch with Oleksandr Usyk on 21 December in Saudi Arabia.
Itauma will take on Australian Demsey McKean, while Fisher will face fellow Briton Dave Allen.
Both Itauma and Fisher are undefeated in their careers and have been touted as the next generation of heavyweight stars.
Also on the undercard is Dennis McCann, who fights Liverpudlian Peter McGrail in an intriguing super-bantamweight contest.
McCann is undefeated in 17 fights while McGrail has just one loss in 11 contests.
Fisher, 25, takes on a seasoned veteran in 32-year-old Allen, who has six losses, two draws and 23 wins on his record.
Fisher has 11 knockouts in 12 wins, while 19-year-old Itauma will also be looking to extend his stoppage record.
Itauma has eight knockouts from 10 bouts and McKean represents a big step up in quality for the teenage prospect.
The southpaw has one defeat - against Filip Hrgovic last year - in 23 bouts.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/a...s/clyl2y0k81mo
What do you reckon about Itauma v McKean ? I know you’ve been rating McKean on here, Itauma is a great prospect, should be a good fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
i don't think i ever rated demsey on here. i was happy to see him finally step up against filip hrgovic but he showed exactly where i thought he was at. a step up for moses. we saw demsey fight in survival mode against filip so it'll be interesting to see if moses can get him out early. i should really be moses itauma v johnny fisher but eddie don't want to burst that bubble yet
Just a domestic undercard aside from solid co main. Did they tighten the purse strings on Turki lately? Doesn't exactly speak of "saving boxing" ;D. David Allen brought out of the cooler for a ppv eh :-X. Missed a mass opportunity to have a Zhang or Parker etc. on the side of a high profile undisputed (mostly) anticipated rematch. At least they finally fixed the poster with Fury's mug now in the challenger position. Favoritism 101.
i think the first image might be an old one. the latest announcing the undercard has tyson's name firstQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
In either case Fury should be billed secondly as the prior loser and challenger. I'm also convinced again that Usyk should not trust the cards. Could go all tinfoil hat and think it a subtle tell of favoritism, Fury with "reignited" under him and Usyk with "undercard" ;D but that would just be nutty.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi think the first image might be an old one. the latest announcing the undercard has tyson's name firstQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I'll wait till nearer the time for my prediction.
Had fury 60-40 favoured last time, this time currently the other way round but let's see what shape the big man is in around fight time. Can't help thinking a trilogy is on the cards either....
If its close, without a round 9 type incident, Fury will get the nod
Fury should man handle him the way George f o r e man handled Frasier, that's the only way
Well he has the tools to do it.
Just hope he's going to be in top shape.
Am hoping he drops his dad from his corner
Except Fury does not have even a fraction of the power that Foreman has. Or the ring generalship. Or the mental toughness. Or the character. Also as much as I love the bones of Frazier, Usyk is way better defensively and will not be there when Fury finally throws a decent punch. Look how Fury struggled with a clearly clueless Wilder. Parker made it look easy and Fury made it look like a life and death war. The big oaf is going to walk himself into a humiliating KO if he doesn't even begin to acknowledge how much he struggled in the first fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
I thought Fury boxed well for the first six rounds, he looked good and I think he was ahead then.
The reason he lost the fight is that he got caught with some good shots and really rocked, he never really recovered and did well to go the distance against a fighter as good as Usyk.
In his mind, avoid getting caught again, and he thinks he has Usyks measure.
Looking at the difference in opinions about Beterbiev/Bivol …. I can see another chess match with considerable controversy at the end, and whoever losing being able to say they were somewhat cheated!
I think Usyk will dominate over the 2nd half of the fight.
Firstly, respect Master and the time he takes to tell us the card!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
How in the world isn’t the WBA involved in this HW title?
the wba super world heavyweight belt should be involved. who says it's not?
Liked usyk showing up today as 47. You can't but like him.
There was a maturity about Fury today I thought and a different kind of attitude. Long time till fight time mind.
'I genuinely believe Tyson will beat Usyk in December, 'says Warren. 'Even in losing a close first fight he proved he can outbox the master boxer Usyk and can hurt him.
'And he knows he must cut out the showboating this time and get down to business straight away.
'But if it is another defeat the Joshua fight will still be there and the Saudis would still be very keen on that.
'Then there's Daniel, matured now and ready for anyone. I would find it awkward making his fight with Tyson because they're both my fighters, have been with me ten years or more and I love them. But if they both want to do it so be it.
'Just as if Tyson suddenly says he wants to retire I would tell him to go ahead. I always say fighters are the first to know if they're in decline and the last to admit it.
'But in Tyson's case he also needs his boxing for the sake of his mental health problems.'
Warren does not anticipate a WBC title rematch between Joshua and Dubois happening and interfering with the schedule, even though it has been strongly mooted for February in Riyadh or Wembley.
'I don't believe that when it comes to it Joshua is going to risk taking that fight,' says Warren. 'Not after being knocked out like that.'
Dubois will still fight in February, perhaps in a mandatory defence of his WBC title. Warren adds: 'Then I would like to see Daniel rematch that defeat by Usyk in a fight I still believe he won with a legal body shot, not a low blow.'
https://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfo...0305&noquote=1
That first fight seems fake. If Tyson had KOed Usyk early there would be no rematch, or it would pay very little. Fury KO's Usyk then a fight with AJ will pay fat. Fury is smart and wants as much money he can get. 100% showman.
Too much conspiracy theory on your part Mr Big. Fury would never deliberately lose his unbeaten record especially when he was lining up the AJ fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
Fury looks like he is fit already and must have been putting the work in already before he starts his training camp. If he can maintain the high energy boxing he was doing from round 3-7 where he was winning and hurt Usyk then he can win this contest.
Oleksandr Usyk is just quality and proved he is the best heavyweight and one of the P4P boxers in this era. What is there not to like about the man?
He is very likeable - as was Fury two and a bit years ago (though calming it down a little now).
It's clear they both like each other and have a lot of respect too. No bad mouthing here this time. The face off you could see both trying not to laugh - Fury couldn't hold it in.
It's good to see the respect between the two best of this era. Let's hope it lives up to it.
tyson deserves an oscar if he was acting in round nineQuote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
I went back and rewatched the fight again last night. When I saw it for the first time, I has Usyk as a clear winner.
I went through it again, and told myself to try and score more rounds “even” when they were tight and I had originally thought one guy or the other shaded it. That way, I thought I could restore it according to the rounds when I thought there was a clear winner.
First things first ….. what a great fight. Both guys were supremely fit and turned up as the best possible version of themselves.
This time around, I had Usyk shading it by two points only, so can see why either side felt they won it.
Usyk’s gumption in just pressurising Fury for nearly every minute of every round. Even when he was clearly stunned and hurt on several occasions. Tricky movement, great technique, raised his intensity the more the fight went on, didn’t get fazed by sneaky fouls. Brilliant
Fury’s utterly phenomenal cardio fitness and his resilience. I can’t see many other heavyweights surviving that BIG Usyk round. Really nimble for such a big man, skilled technique and boxing, and delivered a ferocious body attack and pressure on his opponent.
It’s weird. I can’t help thinking that Fury will be more confident in the rematch.
Usyk went through hell in that fight, and at times he looked tiny against Fury. His route to victory was pressure, and he suffered on the way to that. What does he do differently next time? What other routes to victory does he have?
Fury will feel that his best performance ceiling will be higher than Usyk’s. He saw how he was so much bigger than his opponent and had huge reach, height and weight advantages that he didn’t really use last time. He started off boxing on the back foot, and that phase of the fight was pretty even. When he stopped retreating, planted his feet and bombarded Usyk to the body, he was handily winning that and had Usyk hurt several times. He will feel that he only lost because Usyk was “lucky” ������ in landing the big shot that turned the whole fight around …. And even then it was a split decision.
i’m really looking forward to the rematch.
Yep agree with a lot of that and it comes back to the end of round nine deciding it.
Bring on the rematch. Let's hope no injuries in training...
Great post X, it was a brilliant fight and the rounds were generally easy to score unlike Beterbiev v Bivol.
Both boxers went through hell to try and win the undisputed title.
Usyk was only a punch away from a KO win in the 1st fight. Fury also knows how badly he was hurt. I suspect Fury will make the rematch a clinchfest to survive.
Yep properly hurt for first time in his career - yes he's been down.
He'll make changes despite him saying he doesn't need to. Still can't believe he allowed usyk to put him on the backfoot.
Now only seven weeks away...
Posts like this are a disservice to both boxers & the great fight they gave us :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
I think Fury is spent
I'm going Usyk by KO :o
denys berinchyk v sam noakes has been added
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Denys Berinchyk v Sam Noakes, two undefeated boxers, is a great fight for a world title. Looking forward to this even more.
My money is fury on points this time one million percent
There really is no other fight in the HW now
If usyk wins then where do we go?
Boxing is predictable sometimes
If Usyk wins he fights AJ for a 3rd time, Fury for a 3rd time and Dubois for a 2nd time. :)
The usyk dubious 2 fight is mildly interesting although he beat him fairly easily last time, usyk would beat AJ easier nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Martin Bakole is interesting, I like that fight with Zhang
But there's nothing between usyk and whoever thats that exciting
And usyk fury 3 would be a lot more exciting if fury wins
And the boxing gods know that
Serhii Bohachuk-Israil Madrimov is a seriously solid match up to bolster the card. We sure about Noakes getting the shot? Be good to see Berinchyk get a first defense but all kinds of talk about Keyshawn Davis and Berinchyk coming off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
sam noakes is only getting the shot because turki's favourite mark chamberlain got beaten
Sam is a good fighter and hope he wins this one. He is the underdog.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
yeah sam's decent & i agree he's the underdog here. but turki had that shot line up for mark chamberlain. that's why his last two fights were on riyadh cardsQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterSam is a good fighter and hope he wins this one. He is the underdog.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
I think the 1st fight took a lot out of both Usyk and Fury. I'm not sure if that means they'll be entering the rematch as damaged goods or not or if that will make for a better or worse fight. I just don't see either fighter being at the level and peak they were for the first bout.