Ward deserved that multi-million dollar pay day for all he put into the sport at the highest level. Man, I wished he stuck around longer to get that.
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Ward deserved that multi-million dollar pay day for all he put into the sport at the highest level. Man, I wished he stuck around longer to get that.
If GGG did not do it Canelo would not have taken it either.
Ward showed how great he was by jumping up and beating Crusher Kov.
andre was screwing himself with inactivity & came back in twenty fifteen as a light heavy, then retired so artur didn't beat him up. canelo only fought jccjr around the time of andre's last fight
Something about the wording of the thread title just seems off.
I realize it's all about the "cash cow" aspect of Canelo... but in reality we should be asking ourselves did Canelo deserve a Ward fight. Not the other way around.
True. But we understand how the matrix works.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
The fact that we talk about “poor Andre deserves the payday against Canelo” shows what poor decisions Ward made with his career.
From a Boxing sense, Canelo is not in Ward’s league. But Ward can only blame himself for not earning as much as he should have done.
So, no he never really deserved the payday , he fucked up.
Yet you are quick to blame Golovkin for allowing Canelo to dictate what he did with his career where he ended up with a lot more money than if he did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
But did he though ?? All the waiting around for Canelo, waiting for him to make up his mind, waiting for him to complete a drugs ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYet you are quick to blame Golovkin for allowing Canelo to dictate what he did with his career where he ended up with a lot more money than if he did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Don’t forget he was the B side, so his money wouldn’t have been what Canelo was getting.
If he had told Canelo to go fuck himself and carried on bowling over guys at the rate he was, he would’ve had more fights and his purses would’ve increased each fight as his stock rose.
Meanwhile Canelo’s kudos would’ve decreased because he would’ve run out of bums and would be blamed for ducking GGG.
Upstairs for thinking, downstairs for dancing , my pedigree chum. :lickish:
Reality is GGG made more money facing Canelo than if he made 5 defences against other opponents. I do not like it either but that is the economic facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraBut did he though ?? All the waiting around for Canelo, waiting for him to make up his mind, waiting for him to complete a drugs ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYet you are quick to blame Golovkin for allowing Canelo to dictate what he did with his career where he ended up with a lot more money than if he did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Don’t forget he was the B side, so his money wouldn’t have been what Canelo was getting.
If he had told Canelo to go fuck himself and carried on bowling over guys at the rate he was, he would’ve had more fights and his purses would’ve increased each fight as his stock rose.
Meanwhile Canelo’s kudos would’ve decreased because he would’ve run out of bums and would be blamed for ducking GGG.
Upstairs for thinking, downstairs for dancing , my pedigree chum. :lickish:
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Originally Posted by MasterReality is GGG made more money facing Canelo than if he made 5 defences against other opponents. I do not like it either but that is the economic facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraBut did he though ?? All the waiting around for Canelo, waiting for him to make up his mind, waiting for him to complete a drugs ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYet you are quick to blame Golovkin for allowing Canelo to dictate what he did with his career where he ended up with a lot more money than if he did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Don’t forget he was the B side, so his money wouldn’t have been what Canelo was getting.
If he had told Canelo to go fuck himself and carried on bowling over guys at the rate he was, he would’ve had more fights and his purses would’ve increased each fight as his stock rose.
Meanwhile Canelo’s kudos would’ve decreased because he would’ve run out of bums and would be blamed for ducking GGG.
Upstairs for thinking, downstairs for dancing , my pedigree chum. :lickish:
I've always been a huge GGG fan, and of course the forum's biggest Canelo critic (news flash... right? :D )
But I'm gonna be totally honest here. First let's dispense with the notion that top-flight boxers like a Golovkin are living in poverty... and can only escape poverty if they get fights with the Cash Cow.
Golovkin could've easily made an even more formidable career for himself, had he not groveled over Canelo and bent to his every whim.
I fully agree with Primo on this point.
Yes... money is a huge driving force in boxing as in any other sport.
But for someone like Golovkin, a likable and willing warrior... legacy is just as important, or at least almost as important. Again... GGG wasn't in danger of going on welfare.
Allowing a fickle, cherry-picking, marinating, coddled, favored-by-judges-and-boxing-orgs, boxing diva to call the shots and deviating your boxing career... is downright frustrating to a GGG fan, and borderline disgusting.
And what did GGG get out of it? A robbery in the 1st fight... a could-go-either-way in the 2nd... and a circus show in the 3rd against a much younger and bigger Canelo.
Golovkin played patsy in the Canelo Is The Face of Boxing show.
To top it off... I criticize GGG for his puzzling show of respect in the ring, particularly in the 1st fight, when at least I thought he could've pushed the issue and maybe gotten Canelo in trouble.
Just like I criticize Bivol for not finishing Canelo off.
So yeah... GGG screwed up.
Golovkin got robbed in the first fight and should have got the decision. Triple G did fight other opponents to enhance his legacy. The aim is to make as much money as possible in the safest and shortest time period which he did. He retired from the last fight. He made the right decisions.
Any figures to back that up?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterReality is GGG made more money facing Canelo than if he made 5 defences against other opponents. I do not like it either but that is the economic facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraBut did he though ?? All the waiting around for Canelo, waiting for him to make up his mind, waiting for him to complete a drugs ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYet you are quick to blame Golovkin for allowing Canelo to dictate what he did with his career where he ended up with a lot more money than if he did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Don’t forget he was the B side, so his money wouldn’t have been what Canelo was getting.
If he had told Canelo to go fuck himself and carried on bowling over guys at the rate he was, he would’ve had more fights and his purses would’ve increased each fight as his stock rose.
Meanwhile Canelo’s kudos would’ve decreased because he would’ve run out of bums and would be blamed for ducking GGG.
Upstairs for thinking, downstairs for dancing , my pedigree chum. :lickish:
Kirkland can provide the details.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraAny figures to back that up?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterReality is GGG made more money facing Canelo than if he made 5 defences against other opponents. I do not like it either but that is the economic facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraBut did he though ?? All the waiting around for Canelo, waiting for him to make up his mind, waiting for him to complete a drugs ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYet you are quick to blame Golovkin for allowing Canelo to dictate what he did with his career where he ended up with a lot more money than if he did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Don’t forget he was the B side, so his money wouldn’t have been what Canelo was getting.
If he had told Canelo to go fuck himself and carried on bowling over guys at the rate he was, he would’ve had more fights and his purses would’ve increased each fight as his stock rose.
Meanwhile Canelo’s kudos would’ve decreased because he would’ve run out of bums and would be blamed for ducking GGG.
Upstairs for thinking, downstairs for dancing , my pedigree chum. :lickish:
You can simply just add up GGG's previous three fight purses before he fought Canelo for the first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraAny figures to back that up?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterReality is GGG made more money facing Canelo than if he made 5 defences against other opponents. I do not like it either but that is the economic facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraBut did he though ?? All the waiting around for Canelo, waiting for him to make up his mind, waiting for him to complete a drugs ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYet you are quick to blame Golovkin for allowing Canelo to dictate what he did with his career where he ended up with a lot more money than if he did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Don’t forget he was the B side, so his money wouldn’t have been what Canelo was getting.
If he had told Canelo to go fuck himself and carried on bowling over guys at the rate he was, he would’ve had more fights and his purses would’ve increased each fight as his stock rose.
Meanwhile Canelo’s kudos would’ve decreased because he would’ve run out of bums and would be blamed for ducking GGG.
Upstairs for thinking, downstairs for dancing , my pedigree chum. :lickish:
GGG vs Dominic Wade = $2 million
GGG vs Kell Brook = $8 million
GGG vs Daniel Jacobs = $2.5 million
GGG v Canelo 1= $22 million
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxi...z6aq2xnskxl4rv
Thank you YK, you have proved my point. Kell Brook is an anomaly.
if only serio martinez or miguel cotto had the balls to give ggg a shot. ggg should have taken the andre fight when the one sixty four catchweight was being talked aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterReality is GGG made more money facing Canelo than if he made 5 defences against other opponents. I do not like it either but that is the economic facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraBut did he though ?? All the waiting around for Canelo, waiting for him to make up his mind, waiting for him to complete a drugs ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYet you are quick to blame Golovkin for allowing Canelo to dictate what he did with his career where he ended up with a lot more money than if he did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Don’t forget he was the B side, so his money wouldn’t have been what Canelo was getting.
If he had told Canelo to go fuck himself and carried on bowling over guys at the rate he was, he would’ve had more fights and his purses would’ve increased each fight as his stock rose.
Meanwhile Canelo’s kudos would’ve decreased because he would’ve run out of bums and would be blamed for ducking GGG.
Upstairs for thinking, downstairs for dancing , my pedigree chum. :lickish:
I've always been a huge GGG fan, and of course the forum's biggest Canelo critic (news flash... right? :D )
But I'm gonna be totally honest here. First let's dispense with the notion that top-flight boxers like a Golovkin are living in poverty... and can only escape poverty if they get fights with the Cash Cow.
Golovkin could've easily made an even more formidable career for himself, had he not groveled over Canelo and bent to his every whim.
I fully agree with Primo on this point.
Yes... money is a huge driving force in boxing as in any other sport.
But for someone like Golovkin, a likable and willing warrior... legacy is just as important, or at least almost as important. Again... GGG wasn't in danger of going on welfare.
Allowing a fickle, cherry-picking, marinating, coddled, favored-by-judges-and-boxing-orgs, boxing diva to call the shots and deviating your boxing career... is downright frustrating to a GGG fan, and borderline disgusting.
And what did GGG get out of it? A robbery in the 1st fight... a could-go-either-way in the 2nd... and a circus show in the 3rd against a much younger and bigger Canelo.
Golovkin played patsy in the Canelo Is The Face of Boxing show.
To top it off... I criticize GGG for his puzzling show of respect in the ring, particularly in the 1st fight, when at least I thought he could've pushed the issue and maybe gotten Canelo in trouble.
Just like I criticize Bivol for not finishing Canelo off.
So yeah... GGG screwed up.
Yeah but I think it was just talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICif only serio martinez or miguel cotto had the balls to give ggg a shot. ggg should have taken the andre fight when the one sixty four catchweight was being talked aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterReality is GGG made more money facing Canelo than if he made 5 defences against other opponents. I do not like it either but that is the economic facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraBut did he though ?? All the waiting around for Canelo, waiting for him to make up his mind, waiting for him to complete a drugs ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYet you are quick to blame Golovkin for allowing Canelo to dictate what he did with his career where he ended up with a lot more money than if he did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Don’t forget he was the B side, so his money wouldn’t have been what Canelo was getting.
If he had told Canelo to go fuck himself and carried on bowling over guys at the rate he was, he would’ve had more fights and his purses would’ve increased each fight as his stock rose.
Meanwhile Canelo’s kudos would’ve decreased because he would’ve run out of bums and would be blamed for ducking GGG.
Upstairs for thinking, downstairs for dancing , my pedigree chum. :lickish:
I've always been a huge GGG fan, and of course the forum's biggest Canelo critic (news flash... right? :D )
But I'm gonna be totally honest here. First let's dispense with the notion that top-flight boxers like a Golovkin are living in poverty... and can only escape poverty if they get fights with the Cash Cow.
Golovkin could've easily made an even more formidable career for himself, had he not groveled over Canelo and bent to his every whim.
I fully agree with Primo on this point.
Yes... money is a huge driving force in boxing as in any other sport.
But for someone like Golovkin, a likable and willing warrior... legacy is just as important, or at least almost as important. Again... GGG wasn't in danger of going on welfare.
Allowing a fickle, cherry-picking, marinating, coddled, favored-by-judges-and-boxing-orgs, boxing diva to call the shots and deviating your boxing career... is downright frustrating to a GGG fan, and borderline disgusting.
And what did GGG get out of it? A robbery in the 1st fight... a could-go-either-way in the 2nd... and a circus show in the 3rd against a much younger and bigger Canelo.
Golovkin played patsy in the Canelo Is The Face of Boxing show.
To top it off... I criticize GGG for his puzzling show of respect in the ring, particularly in the 1st fight, when at least I thought he could've pushed the issue and maybe gotten Canelo in trouble.
Just like I criticize Bivol for not finishing Canelo off.
So yeah... GGG screwed up.
As great a fighter as Dre was, he was prone to talking a bit of smack at times. When push comes to shove, there is now way on earth Ward would’ve made 164.
And at 168 it would’ve been a mismatch.
it might have been just talk but at the time a andre v ggg fight would have been more realistic than an andre v canelo fight. ggg fought around middleweight most of his career to that point. canelo was still a jr middleweight around twenty sixteen. an andre v ggg fight would have been better than sullivan barrera, alexander brand, dominic wade or kell brook as opponents
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Originally Posted by TICif only serio martinez or miguel cotto had the balls to give ggg a shot. ggg should have taken the andre fight when the one sixty four catchweight was being talked aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterReality is GGG made more money facing Canelo than if he made 5 defences against other opponents. I do not like it either but that is the economic facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraBut did he though ?? All the waiting around for Canelo, waiting for him to make up his mind, waiting for him to complete a drugs ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYet you are quick to blame Golovkin for allowing Canelo to dictate what he did with his career where he ended up with a lot more money than if he did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Don’t forget he was the B side, so his money wouldn’t have been what Canelo was getting.
If he had told Canelo to go fuck himself and carried on bowling over guys at the rate he was, he would’ve had more fights and his purses would’ve increased each fight as his stock rose.
Meanwhile Canelo’s kudos would’ve decreased because he would’ve run out of bums and would be blamed for ducking GGG.
Upstairs for thinking, downstairs for dancing , my pedigree chum. :lickish:
I've always been a huge GGG fan, and of course the forum's biggest Canelo critic (news flash... right? :D )
But I'm gonna be totally honest here. First let's dispense with the notion that top-flight boxers like a Golovkin are living in poverty... and can only escape poverty if they get fights with the Cash Cow.
Golovkin could've easily made an even more formidable career for himself, had he not groveled over Canelo and bent to his every whim.
I fully agree with Primo on this point.
Yes... money is a huge driving force in boxing as in any other sport.
But for someone like Golovkin, a likable and willing warrior... legacy is just as important, or at least almost as important. Again... GGG wasn't in danger of going on welfare.
Allowing a fickle, cherry-picking, marinating, coddled, favored-by-judges-and-boxing-orgs, boxing diva to call the shots and deviating your boxing career... is downright frustrating to a GGG fan, and borderline disgusting.
And what did GGG get out of it? A robbery in the 1st fight... a could-go-either-way in the 2nd... and a circus show in the 3rd against a much younger and bigger Canelo.
Golovkin played patsy in the Canelo Is The Face of Boxing show.
To top it off... I criticize GGG for his puzzling show of respect in the ring, particularly in the 1st fight, when at least I thought he could've pushed the issue and maybe gotten Canelo in trouble.
Just like I criticize Bivol for not finishing Canelo off.
So yeah... GGG screwed up.
Funny you should make Sergio out to be a ducker, when he was never accused of ducking anyone in his career that I know of. As I understand it, it was injuries that derailed a potential Sergio-GGG fight.
With Cotto, your statement is even more laughable. I've stated in the past that Cotto was never a bonafide MW. I didn't think much of his fight with Sergio himself. Cotto's ceiling was junior middle, while GGG was always middle. Why would they have met?
Besides, none of this has anything to do with GGG making dubious decisions with regard to the Cash Cow.
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Originally Posted by ykdadamajaYou can simply just add up GGG's previous three fight purses before he fought Canelo for the first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraAny figures to back that up?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterReality is GGG made more money facing Canelo than if he made 5 defences against other opponents. I do not like it either but that is the economic facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraBut did he though ?? All the waiting around for Canelo, waiting for him to make up his mind, waiting for him to complete a drugs ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYet you are quick to blame Golovkin for allowing Canelo to dictate what he did with his career where he ended up with a lot more money than if he did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Don’t forget he was the B side, so his money wouldn’t have been what Canelo was getting.
If he had told Canelo to go fuck himself and carried on bowling over guys at the rate he was, he would’ve had more fights and his purses would’ve increased each fight as his stock rose.
Meanwhile Canelo’s kudos would’ve decreased because he would’ve run out of bums and would be blamed for ducking GGG.
Upstairs for thinking, downstairs for dancing , my pedigree chum. :lickish:
GGG vs Dominic Wade = $2 million
GGG vs Kell Brook = $8 million
GGG vs Daniel Jacobs = $2.5 million
GGG v Canelo 1= $22 million
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxi...z6aq2xnskxl4rv
Thanks for posting the link. However, I've seen different figures in other articles. Here's one:
https://surprisesports.com/athletes-...kin-net-worth/
Here it says GGG made $8 million for his first Canelo fight, and $12 million for the second one.
Again... I'm not a fan of analyzing fighters' purses. As far as I'm concerned... after the first couple million... it's all enough wealth to live happily ever after.
So again I'll reiterate that GGG could've made a very good living even had he not groveled after Ginger like he did. Would've been better for his legacy, too.
GGG didn't need Ginger. He had already constructed a very good career as one of the best MW's of his generation.
But he got suckered into a series of unwinnable fights with Vegas' favorite son... and paid the price, particularly in the robbery of the first fight.
Those figures Titofan are in stark contrast to YK but you can understand why GGG would make far more money in Canelo fights than multiple other opponents.
Money is priority then comes legacy but health trumps them all in a boxing career.
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Originally Posted by TIC
if you were really this huge ggg fan you would be calling out all the middleweights that avoided him all the way back to felix sturm instead of the guy who actual fought him twice at middleweightQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
sergio clearly ducked ggg, did the fight happen? he wasn't injured enough for serhiy dzinziruk, darren barker, matthew macklin, julio cesar chavez jr or miguel cotto
the only thing laughable about miguel cotto is him quitting in a fight & his catchweights with the middleweight belt on the line. miguel was bonafide enough to fight for the linear middleweight belt, ggg was seen as the number one middleweight at the time, that's why they should have met. were you calling for miguel to fight his number one challenger at the time? doubt it
ggg was getting screwed around long before canelo got to middleweight, sergio & miguel ducking him are just two examples. maybe if they hadn't he would have been in a better position before canelo got there
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by TIC
if you were really this huge ggg fan you would be calling out all the middleweights that avoided him all the way back to felix sturm instead of the guy who actual fought him twice at middleweightQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
sergio clearly ducked ggg, did the fight happen? he wasn't injured enough for serhiy dzinziruk, darren barker, matthew macklin, julio cesar chavez jr or miguel cotto
the only thing laughable about miguel cotto is him quitting in a fight & his catchweights with the middleweight belt on the line. miguel was bonafide enough to fight for the linear middleweight belt, ggg was seen as the number one middleweight at the time, that's why they should have met. were you calling for miguel to fight his number one challenger at the time? doubt it
ggg was getting screwed around long before canelo got to middleweight, sergio & miguel ducking him are just two examples. maybe if they hadn't he would have been in a better position before canelo got there
You're a hoot. :LOLATYOU:
Did you NOT like the jeans with the Canelo kneepads I gave you on another thread? :D
This thread is about Canelo and Ward, as you like to point out in other threads.
So stick to topic, capiche?
My only point in this thread is that it sounds weird to say Ward deserved a Canelo fight... when in actuality it should be the other way around. Ward was always twice the boxer Canelo could ever dream of being.
master brought ggg into the thread & you were the one going on about how huge a ggg fan you were. i am staying on that topic chico bean. canelo would have knocked andre out. but andre knows he would have been the b side so he would have priced himself out of the fight
I would have been happy with Andre getting the GGG fight but GGG hid and lied
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Spoken like the Canelo fanboy you are. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Tic must be joking. No one knocks out Ward.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Spoken like the Canelo fanboy you are. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Originally Posted by MasterTic must be joking. No one knocks out Ward.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Spoken like the Canelo fanboy you are. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Shhhhh.....
Don't burst his bubble. :D :cool:
There is no way on this earth that GGG got $22m for the first fight probably not any of the Canelo fights . ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaYou can simply just add up GGG's previous three fight purses before he fought Canelo for the first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraAny figures to back that up?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterReality is GGG made more money facing Canelo than if he made 5 defences against other opponents. I do not like it either but that is the economic facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraBut did he though ?? All the waiting around for Canelo, waiting for him to make up his mind, waiting for him to complete a drugs ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYet you are quick to blame Golovkin for allowing Canelo to dictate what he did with his career where he ended up with a lot more money than if he did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Don’t forget he was the B side, so his money wouldn’t have been what Canelo was getting.
If he had told Canelo to go fuck himself and carried on bowling over guys at the rate he was, he would’ve had more fights and his purses would’ve increased each fight as his stock rose.
Meanwhile Canelo’s kudos would’ve decreased because he would’ve run out of bums and would be blamed for ducking GGG.
Upstairs for thinking, downstairs for dancing , my pedigree chum. :lickish:
GGG vs Dominic Wade = $2 million
GGG vs Kell Brook = $8 million
GGG vs Daniel Jacobs = $2.5 million
GGG v Canelo 1= $22 million
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxi...z6aq2xnskxl4rv
Thanks for posting the link. However, I've seen different figures in other articles. Here's one:
https://surprisesports.com/athletes-...kin-net-worth/
Here it says GGG made $8 million for his first Canelo fight, and $12 million for the second one.
Again... I'm not a fan of analyzing fighters' purses. As far as I'm concerned... after the first couple million... it's all enough wealth to live happily ever after.
So again I'll reiterate that GGG could've made a very good living even had he not groveled after Ginger like he did. Would've been better for his legacy, too.
GGG didn't need Ginger. He had already constructed a very good career as one of the best MW's of his generation.
But he got suckered into a series of unwinnable fights with Vegas' favorite son... and paid the price, particularly in the robbery of the first fight.
@TIC , I don’t want to take the piss because everyone is entitled to their opinion, and yours usually are pretty on the mark. But what makes you think Canelo KO’s Ward ?
Random sighting but I don't think there was a soul alive who wanted or expected Cotto to actually fight Golovkin. We all knew where Cotto was heading with that belt and it was straight to Canelo who was fighting his 4th catchweight in 5 fights. Golovkin would have muttered Cotto. On Ward I'm just not sure where Canelo was supposed to fight him weight wise. Ward bounced 168 to 175 when Canelo was still being called "green" vs Mayweather and not even cracking 160.
i was alive & wanted the champion to fight his number one threat. miguel & sergio aren't the only ones that ducked ggg
andre would be the b side, he wouldn't be allowed his dirty tactics against canelo & would be forced to fight. canelo would hurt him to the body before knocking him out late. the corner might have had to save andreQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Well that’s one view. But Ward never lost a fight from 11 years of age till the end of his career, and never looked like getting KO’d.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICandre would be the b side, he wouldn't be allowed his dirty tactics against canelo & would be forced to fight. canelo would hurt him to the body before knocking him out late. the corner might have had to save andreQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
And he wasn’t the A side in all those fights. You earn the right.
Even if Canelo was allowed special cow meat, altered gloves and weight stipulations that are in his favour he would never knock out Ward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraWell that’s one view. But Ward never lost a fight from 11 years of age till the end of his career, and never looked like getting KO’d.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICandre would be the b side, he wouldn't be allowed his dirty tactics against canelo & would be forced to fight. canelo would hurt him to the body before knocking him out late. the corner might have had to save andreQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
And he wasn’t the A side in all those fights. You earn the right.
In Football / Soccer there is an old adage “the first five yards in your head” meaning that they could could read things a little bit faster, had a better understanding of what was happening before it happened, that's a description I think fits Ward quite well, he just saw and understood the pattern of the fight before his opponent did and capitalized on every advantage he saw.
He is an inaugural super 6 winner and one of the last truly top fighters from the old US boxing program days when Kenny Adams was involved and he was the last USA gold medalist at an Olympics (But I actually think he lost that fight)..
But he was boring and dirty. I mean, he almost sterilized Kovalev with that combo to the balls.
https://orig01.deviantart.net/c554/f...ep-dbd3iyr.gif
His entire gameplan revolved around clinching and dirty tactics, which was called his fantastic 'inside game', which was potshot single jab, rush in with his head, clinch, mix in some elbows, headbutts and lowblows and rinse and repeat.
I'm not denying he was a good boxer, but he only fought with hometown refs and judges for a VERY good reason. In a sense Ward was a hustler, his whole style was based around nullifying his opponent however he could, and that rarely led to exciting fights. Shame him and Calzaghe didn't fight as I think Calzaghe would have beaten him due to his output.
There is a strong argument that Ward wouldn't even get in the top 10 of SMW of the last 30 years. I'd be far from confident that Ward could beat RJJ, Toney, Calzaghe, Hopkins, McCallum, Benn, Eubank, McClellan, Canelo, GGG.
There's a case to say that Ward would get beat by them all.
But there is also a case to say that Ward could beat most of them. You just never truly know with undefeated fighters
BUT
- Being undefeated is not that important
- Being undefeated, when you fought nobody... is worthless
- Being undefeated, when you fought everybody... is rare, and exceptiona
There is a reason he retired all early (I mean what top boxer retires at 33 nowadays ?) at LHW he didn't want to get exposed by all the killers (Beterbiev) that were coming up in the division.
andre sure looked unsteady after darnell dropped him & he wouldn't be getting up if canelo landed a right like sergei didQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraWell that’s one view. But Ward never lost a fight from 11 years of age till the end of his career, and never looked like getting KO’d.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICandre would be the b side, he wouldn't be allowed his dirty tactics against canelo & would be forced to fight. canelo would hurt him to the body before knocking him out late. the corner might have had to save andreQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
And he wasn’t the A side in all those fights. You earn the right.
Canelo was half their size. In this era, he’s great. In other eras, he’s a blown up LMW / MW, who only fights at SMW Because the juice stops him getting any lighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICandre sure looked unsteady after darnell dropped him & he wouldn't be getting up if canelo landed a right like sergei didQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraWell that’s one view. But Ward never lost a fight from 11 years of age till the end of his career, and never looked like getting KO’d.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICandre would be the b side, he wouldn't be allowed his dirty tactics against canelo & would be forced to fight. canelo would hurt him to the body before knocking him out late. the corner might have had to save andreQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
And he wasn’t the A side in all those fights. You earn the right.
"Canelo was half their size"
what?
are we talking canelo at his best v andre at his best? or eleven year olds or whatever era's you're on about? best v best canelo puts andre to bed early
Yep, you heard right. Canelo is 5 foot 8” tops. He started off as a Light Middleweight or maybe even Welterweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Ward is at least 6 foot, maybe taller and was a Light Heavyweight and came down to Super Middleweight.
Canelo at his best v Ward at pretty much any time of his career from becoming a World Champ onwards.
Canelo is decent, and in this era very good. But he is nowhere near Ward’s level at SMW or LHW.