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The punch may have hurt him but I don't think it made his legs go, look at Judahs feet... theres hardly any weight in the shot its an arm punch and he was off balance and stepping back when he threw it any way.
When I see Floyd... I see him crouched down really far and stumbling from it mainly due to his lowered center of gravity and the fact that he moved his body to far from his legs.
* don't hate me sal :P *
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his hand touched the canvas from a punch, it was a knockdown.
End off
and a low center of gravity is meant to give u better balance
so if some one stepped on my feat and my glove touched the canvas I would loose the round 8-10?... ??? ::**
hitman, you try squatting down that low and see what happens if some one pushes your forehead softly ;)
no, he went off balance from a counter right hook....it was a legitiment punch..Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Why is there contreversy on such an obvious thing, ill never know ???
i was told thts why players like roony maradona dennis wise shaun wright phillips etc could hold onto the ball and not be pushed off it becus of there low centre of gravity cus there all short fuckers lol
His glove touched the ground ,it was an obvious knockdown richard steel did a bad job of not calling it one, If you look back at the Trinidad - Mayorga fight Trinidad suffers a very similar knock down in which he is cought with a good shot looses his balance and his glove touches the ground. Mayorga was awarded the 10-8 round as Judah should have been. It would not have made a difference to the out come of the fight,never the less it was a ligit knock down caused by a good punch by Judah and he should have got recognition for it.
Floyd was knocked down. He wasn't hurt by any means... but he got caught off balance and his glove touched the canvas. By today's rules that's a knockdown. If we are going to argue about this... perhaps we should argue what a knockdown should be.
if his hand didnt touch he would have had his ass on the floor, i wouldnt call it balance cuz he was leaning foreward and fell backwardQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Adam
If Floyd was off balance, who's fault is it?
And You can bet that Floyd wouldn't have staggered like that or his glove would have touched canvas if Judah hadn't hit him.
I think it was a legitimate knockdown,no idea what Steele was thinking but I don't think it would have made much of a difference even if it was a 10-8 round,I mean look at the judge who had it 119-109 was it? 118-110 better?
It was a knockdown but he wasn't going down and he wasn't at all hurt. It wasn't a big punch or anything he just tried to pull out while off balance.
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Originally Posted by The_One77
srry, i typed something stupid and changed my mind....
U woould of probably sadclicked me for it ;)
I don't sadclick people for difference of opinions ;)
Actually, the only person I can recall sadclicking is Royal...
Its Floyd's fault... why it should make a round a 10-8 round I'll never know... ::**Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
he got knocked down by a punch, its so obvious!Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Leaving your self open in a way that your opponent can deliver a punch which puts you in 'the dark room' or just pummeling a guy so much that he goes down deserve a 10-8 round... throwing a punch at the same time some one happens to be off balance doesn't.
I always thought when people say 'wow, did you see the Knock down' they would be talking about a hard accurate punch that hits the opponent right on the button and shuts him down... seems like its been watered down recently for Zab fans I guess... ;)
Yes it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Anything caused by a punch. It's a knockdown. If any part of the boxer touches the canvas other then his feet, if it's caused by a punch it is a knockdown. A boxer's style can effect balance, do you think it would be fair if a boxer catches another off balance and the guy goes down and it's called a slip? That would be very unfair.
You mean like the way Eric Esch caught Larry Holmes off balance and that wasn't ruled as a knock down?
yes. I also think its stupid for butterbean to go around claiming he floored Holmes...
Don't worry Starr... I'll say it just to keep you happy, your man Floyd legitamatly knocked Mayweather down, just like when Tua dropped ruiz and Lewis dropped Tyson. He's just that good.... ;)
it may of been a crap knockdown but thats not really the point, fact is that it was legitiment and Zab deserved a 10-8 round.....because he was winning the round anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
if mayweather would have been hit with a follow up punch while he was falling he would have been out cold ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
And if jeff Lacy had caught Joe Calzaghe he could of knocked him out :P
:coolclick: All the "if"s are stupid. It WAS a knockdown, and it should have been ruled caused by a punch but there were a bunch of other factors that led to him going down, the punch probably being the least of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
back at ya... ;) I'm not trying to say that with in the rules it wasn't a knock down... I just think the rules are stupid... that shouldn't be enough to make a round 10-8 in my opinion... when i say 'proper knock down' you all know what I meen. What would that make a round then? 10-7? 10-6? ;) Marcus of Queensberry would not be impressed... :P
knockdown is caused by a punch.
Answer me this, would Mayweather have staggered and needed to put his glove on the canvas if Zab hadn't hit him?
I think your just missing my point because you like the idea that Zab was able to properly put Floyd on the floor. Sorry.
I'm not saying that according to some sanctioning body it wasn't within the rules of being scored as a knock down... I'm saying it wasn't a real knock down... there was no power in the shot and it didn't hurt Floyd more than any other glancing shot would of.
People are saying that Zab properly knocked Floyd down as if he had the skill and work rate to be able to bring the fight to Zab enough to floor him. Not try... a proper knock down (again try and forget some sanctioning bodies for a second here if you can allow your self to actually put your boy Zab in his real place here) is caused by some one getting hit with enough force and in an area that caused either enough trauma to the body to paralyse the legs or enough power to cause a concussion... Zab didn't do that to Floyd... you can use what ever technicality you want and phrase it in a way that makes it sound like Zab rocked Floyd and put him down but the fact is HE DIDN'T.
I'm not a fan of either and once the mayweather and Zab fan boys get lost maybe this fight can be discussed properly with out the massive bias every one (mostly the zab camp) are throwing around. Respect to Zab... he showed up with a good fight but he wasn't good enough. End of.
To answer your question: no, no answer this... if some one slips and touches the canvas from another boxers foot... would that of happened if he'd not been in the ring?
Good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
I think the rule does suck a little. But if they changed it to, "A fighter must be hit cleanly and be damaged by the punch, in order for a knockdown to be ruled." This would leave a judgement call up the ref, and think how much people would disagree with such calls. With the rule the way it is now, there is no room for arguing. He was hit, something other than his feet touched the mat as a result to the punch, it's a knockdown.
It just makes it possible to make sound decisions in accordance with the rules.
EXACTLY!!!
there is room for argueing, look what we're doing now. Most refs aren't stupid and pracitcally all of them know the difference between a fighter loosing his balance. They have the power to stop a fight if some one is practically out on their feet etc and its basicly the same call. I don't really see that many people arguing when fights get stopped nowdays (obviously the fighter will...) and this is basicly the same.
I don't blame Starr though she's going to use any technicality she can to say that her boy hit Floyd with a punch that floored him, when what she actualy should say is 'my boy Zab hit Floyd off balance with a punch that had the 8 pounds of his arm behind it and he stumbed backwards'.
I agree that the punch wasn't much, and that the punch was only one factor in Floyd's glove touching the canvas. However, with the rule as it is now, the only thing that can be argued is whether or not the rule is flawed. According to the rules, it is crystal clear that Steele missed the call. Because if you have the rule book infront of you, and watch the replay, Floyd was without a doubt knocked down according to the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
I think it's made this way so that calls are consistent. With the rule the way it is now, if a ref sees a punch land, and a part other than the feet touching the mat because of the punch, he is to automatically rule it a knockdown. He doesn't have to get a look at the guys eyes to see if they are phazed, or take into consideration how well the man/woman takes a punch generally, or the power that the other fighter has in his punches etc.
It's just simple, punch landed, part touched the mat, knockdown.
Simple and stupid. I know how the rule works... just can't stand Judah fan boys running around saying that Floyd was knocked down as if he was actually hit with something meaningful that phased him... their despiration is starting to get funny.
Oh I totally agree with you man. That knockdown is not something to be proud of. Judah should have been credited a 10-8 round sure (which wouldn't change the outcome), but it doesn't make Floyd look more vulnerable or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
It was a knockdown according to the rule book that Steele missed... that just shows how unconvincing of a knockdown it really was.
Me being a judah fan has nothing to do with the knockdown that should have been counted. You act like I'm trying to glorify it when in reality I am saying that it was a knockdown.
I will ask you again if Zab had not hit Mayweather, would Mayweather have had reason to have his hand touch the canvas? AdamGB because if you can say yes to that question honestly, then by all means it wasn't a knockdown.
Starr, I never said that Floyd's hand touching the canvas was not classifiable as a knockdown according to a set of rules and the little pawing jab was one of the many factors that made it happen... Like I said a knockdown to me is a concussive or paralysing punch to the head or body that floors a fighter because they are physically unable to conciously stand. My point was never to do with wether or not technically it should of been scored as this or that... just as a reminder to fan boys who need to stop chucking knock down around as if it even has the credibility to be called that... outside of sanctioning bodies and rule books we all know what a knock down really is... forgeting rules here if your going to say that thats what fans of boxing would call a knock down then it's been taking to such a watered down level that its not even the same word.
Seeing as you seem to take in half of what I say I'll clarify one more time... according to some Mickey mouse technicality it was an unscored knock down... according to any one who is not going to get anal just because they like Zab Judah is was not a knockdown.
It wasn' that punch that knocked him down, and I don't think he was all that hurt just stunned it seems.
So you're agreeing that it IS a knockdown. You just don't like people taking glory in it because you don't think it was that big a deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB