Get the thug out... Zab Judah, ear biters and what not...

I just got into town and heard about the Judah-Mayweather fight, saw some footage, that super stoopid video by salthebutcher (by the way, thanks for replaying that low blow over and over and over again... it just makes this thing all the more clear) and the thing that stood out to me in that whole incident is that Zab Judah IS the ePITome of the word "thug". I wonder when this dude is going to start biting ears off? What Zab did wasn't quite as intensified but it's the same mentality... I'm losing... F**k the sport. This is when he ceased to be a boxer. It's when Tyson ceased to be a man. I've always been interested in Zab Judah, he could be a great boxer, he IS a great boxer, but if he don't get that "thug" out, he's just another ear biter. And, like Floyd was saying, this is his first million... after how long, with those skills and abilities? What is it that's keeping him back, I wonder?

What would happen if a basketball player who's team was losing 100 to 50, 2 minutes to go, and slapped another player in the back of the head? Kicked him in the nuts? What's the difference... If you punch a person in the groin, on the button, you debilitate that person. I mean, if the basketball player catches the ball low to the ground and as he's lifting up for a shot happens to graze the huevos of another player on the way up, that's one thing. If the player hooks the ball (even amidst a hundred other punches) down thata way... it's not that hard to see intention (thanks salthebutcher... super clear). Hittem in the back of the head to boot and you got... a guy who has no respect for the sport... or an amateur...

I haven't seen Zab REALLY low blow anyone by accident. NOt to that extent anyway. He knew...

Judah had to train hard for like..... weeks, and he only made it to 2 Miami heat games. do you have any idea how frustrating that is?? Give him a break, like you say he's only getting paid a million dollars, how could you expect someone to behave themselves proffessionaly for a whole 36 minutes under those conditions. Besides, it was Don Kings fault.

how many guys have thrown low blows in the past that have gone overlooked in big bouts?

how many headbuts has B-HOP snuck in over the years,

and how is roger not as bad for the sport as you say zab is?

p4pking... 36 minutes? a pre-schooler has more control then that. and a million dollars is alot of money considering his performance against Spinks for what... a $100,000?

sal... you're right. Roger Mayweather was definitely in the wrong, but my logic about it is, we got to start from the start and that's Zab doing some thug s**t. Yeah, other people have low blown, worse and yeah, I'm going to voice my opinion on that every time I get a chance because it's straight up dastardly. It's basically shooting someone in the back. What kind of man does that? The sport definitely needs a fine tune of rules and it's people constantly talking about it aloud, on forums and what not that creates these changes. Blasting Zab about it is a highlight. Not to mention, he didn't even sneak it on, he just flagrantly did it. Yeah, it's easy to miss Hopkins bumpin somebody with his head, but Zab smeared yellow highlighter all over that one with fireworks and what not.

But about Roger Mayweather being as bad? He was just looking out for his nephew. That's just love. Not in the rule book, no place for it in boxing, but that's what it was. Remember... loves not thugs...

p4pking is being sarcastic

oops... that's right... all respect p4p

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Originally Posted by bigboned

p4pking... 36 minutes? a pre-schooler has more control then that. and a million dollars is alot of money considering his performance against Spinks for what... a $100,000?

sal... you're right. Roger Mayweather was definitely in the wrong, but my logic about it is, we got to start from the start and that's Zab doing some thug s**t. Yeah, other people have low blown, worse and yeah, I'm going to voice my opinion on that every time I get a chance because it's straight up dastardly. It's basically shooting someone in the back. What kind of man does that? The sport definitely needs a fine tune of rules and it's people constantly talking about it aloud, on forums and what not that creates these changes. Blasting Zab about it is a highlight. Not to mention, he didn't even sneak it on, he just flagrantly did it. Yeah, it's easy to miss Hopkins bumpin somebody with his head, but Zab smeared yellow highlighter all over that one with fireworks and what not.

But about Roger Mayweather being as bad? He was just looking out for his nephew. That's just love. Not in the rule book, no place for it in boxing, but that's what it was. Remember... loves not thugs...

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So what do you think of Tito trinidad. or Ricky Hatton ???

Well for one Hatton doesn't have diamond plated teeth and talk loads of shit before loosing a fight... can't say he's in the same boat as Zab when it comes to being a thug... or even a thug at all.

yeah he throw a low blow at Tyszu and it wasn't on... it was below the belt but it wasn't aimed at the crotch like Zab's was... :P

i think it was aimed at the crotch, tszyu saw it coming and adjusted

I didn't think it was when I saw on TV but looks like it was here: http://www.rickyhitmanhatton.com/vid...tonTszyu4.html

Tyszu throws about 3 at hatton first... not that Hatton could really complain... :D

Still its a bit different to getting your arse handed to you for a few rounds and lashing out like Zab did because of it.

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

Well for one Hatton doesn't have diamond plated teeth and talk loads of shit before loosing a fight... can't say he's in the same boat as Zab when it comes to being a thug... or even a thug at all.

yeah he throw a low blow at Tyszu and it wasn't on... it was below the belt but it wasn't aimed at the crotch like Zab's was... :P

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Hatton's WAS aimed at the belt. And Hatton even admitted he did it on purpose after the fight. And you didn't mention Trinidad ;)

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

how many guys have thrown low blows in the past that have gone overlooked in big bouts?

how many headbuts has B-HOP snuck in over the years,

and how is roger not as bad for the sport as you say zab is?

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Exactly. It's just rough house tactics that all fighters have used at one point or another whether it's rabbit punching in the clinch or letting a couple go to the kidneys. It happens all the time with all fighters so you can't hold this one against Zab as vicous as it was.

I don't know what Trinidad did, I did just go and watch the clip and knew hatton did it deliberatly and after I saw it again knew it was aimed at his crotch... all you had to do was read my last post... ;)

All I'm saying is that punching some ones balls because they threw a few soft low blows at you isn't exactly 'cricket' but you can't compare it to doing it simply because you where getting beaten up... Hatton's not a thug... he's a rough man in the ring but is a nice bloke out of it... if anything Zab Judah is the opposite a trash talking thug outside of the ring and he's never shown as much heart and work motive as Hatton has in a fight

I think what sets Zab apart slightly here is that after the low blow, which he put all of his might into... possibly his best punch of the fight, he locked onto his target, saw that it was the back of Mayweather's head, and unloaded. It would be like throwing a consecutive 1,2 combo at someone's balls.

After the one, your conscious is supposed to say, "what the hell did you do that for? Don't do it again."

Where Zab did, had a second to think about what he just did to Mayweather's balls, and then said, "what the hell" and unloaded on the back of his head.

Everyone is talking about how that scuffle screwed Judah's chances up... how about the fact that Mayweather took leather to his members whom are probably 'Swollen Members' now... and then a shot to the back of the head?

Either way, fouls are just bad. I was watching MMA today and they manage to hit each other in the balls less even though they are hitting to the thies... inner thies even.

YoungGun what do you think about Tito Trinidad then ;D

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p4pking is being sarcastic

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Poom2, are you by chance of any relation to Poom?

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Originally Posted by Starr

YoungGun what do you think about Tito Trinidad then ;D

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Ok, I'll bite, Starr. When did Tito ever intentionally punch someone hard in the nuts, then back up as his opponent bent over in pain, look for his spot, and then intentionally punch his opponent square in the back of the head? Because I don't remember that ever happening.

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Originally Posted by Starr

YoungGun what do you think about Tito Trinidad then ;D

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I can't say I've seen it. If you have a clip I'd love to see it.

I would more than likely be against the foul. I just know that I hate when a good fight is ruined with intentional blows because it leaves too much room for debate no matter what the outcome of the fight. I love a good war... but a war where the gloves stay above the belt... or hit the belt line at best... and sure a few punches might land to the back of the head but they land there because of the intensity and disorganization of the war. An uppercut to the balls and a well timed blow to the back of the head in a strategic boxing match isn't a result of the way the fight is being fought... it's a result of the beaten man running out of ideas.

Well after flooring Vargas in the first round. Vargas came back and was bringing the fight to Trinidad and taking the flow of the fight and beating up Trinidad and Trinidad throws one of the most devastating low blows I have ever seen and it took everything out of Vargas to come back from it that he spent himself.

Trinidad is known for doing those type of things, fouling when he's faced with adversity. His elbows against Hopkins, the sort of low blow against right the LOW BLOWS against Vargas and a few others. Trinidad was known for if he was in a rough time to resort to low blows.

But everybody loves Trinidad

I'll dig up that video of Zab talking like he's on crack if I can be arsed ('mayweather can't come to new york'... ::**) remind you of his bling bling teeth and basically his piss poor attitude in and out of the ring... thats why he's not liked... Its nothing to do with throwin 1 low blow at some one... Look at Rocky Marciano... he was dirty but he was a nice guy... he had class and charisma... Zab dosn't end of.

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Originally Posted by Starr

YoungGun what do you think about Tito Trinidad then ;D

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Ok, I'll bite, Starr. When did Tito ever intentionally punch someone hard in the nuts, then back up as his opponent bent over in pain, look for his spot, and then intentionally punch his opponent square in the back of the head? Because I don't remember that ever happening.

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Originally Posted by Starr

Well after flooring Vargas in the first round. Vargas came back and was bringing the fight to Trinidad and taking the flow of the fight and beating up Trinidad and Trinidad throws one of the most devastating low blows I have ever seen and it took everything out of Vargas to come back from it that he spent himself.

Trinidad is known for doing those type of things, fouling when he's faced with adversity. His elbows against Hopkins, the sort of low blow against right the LOW BLOWS against Vargas and a few others. Trinidad was known for if he was in a rough time to resort to low blows.

But everybody loves Trinidad

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So your answer is that the scenario I described never happened in a Trinidad fight. Thank you.

There is a HUGE difference between (a) hitting someone with a low blow and (b) hitting someone with a low blow in order to immobilize him and then telegraphing a punch square to the back of his head. (a) is definitely very painful; (b) is life-threatening. Judah, unlike any of the other fighters you keep mentioning, did (b).

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Originally Posted by Starr

Well after flooring Vargas in the first round. Vargas came back and was bringing the fight to Trinidad and taking the flow of the fight and beating up Trinidad and Trinidad throws one of the most devastating low blows I have ever seen and it took everything out of Vargas to come back from it that he spent himself.

Trinidad is known for doing those type of things, fouling when he's faced with adversity. His elbows against Hopkins, the sort of low blow against right the LOW BLOWS against Vargas and a few others. Trinidad was known for if he was in a rough time to resort to low blows.

But everybody loves Trinidad

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Well I agree that people need to get consistent. I didn't like this low blow, but I am also against any other intentional low blows.

I'm trying to think about men who are known to be upstanding, fine fighters. I could be wrong, but I don't recall Ali ever throwing a low blow, or Foreman ever throwing one... Frazier. I don't recall Leonard or Duran exchanging intentional low blows. These men were in frustrating and heated situations and didn't result to these tactics. I see that as a part of their character. I also see intentional fouls as part of one's character.

So yeah, I think people need to be consistent. If you don't have a problem with this intentional foul, then don't say you have a problem with others. And vice versa... you hate this one, hate all other intentionals.

Duran would do "anything" to win ;) but he is respected as well he should be.

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Originally Posted by Starr

Trinidad is known for doing those type of things, fouling when he's faced with adversity. His elbows against Hopkins, the sort of low blow against right the LOW BLOWS against Vargas and a few others. Trinidad was known for if he was in a rough time to resort to low blows.

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Are you on crack or something? Where the f*ck do you get your "facts"? You are one BIASED boxing "fan". How many fights of Trinidad's career did you actually see? By the way, comparing Trinidad to your man Judah is like comparing prime rib to ripe old sh*t. The guy's a thug, a punk, and I can't wait till someone bitchslaps him into oblivion. Kostya Tszyu already did it, and PBF was on his way to doing it until the punk aimed at his nuts and then purposely whacked him on top of the head. The guy's a lowlife punk and belongs in jail.

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But everybody loves Trinidad

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Well... obviously not EVERYBODY.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Are you on crack or something? Where the f*ck do you get your "facts"? You are one BIASED boxing "fan". How many fights of Trinidad's career did you actually see?

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Many many many many many ;) All the way back to where he had the fresh prince hair cut ;)

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Well... obviously not EVERYBODY.

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Shows what you know, because I AM a trinidad fan ;)

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Are you on crack or something? Where the f*ck do you get your "facts"? You are one BIASED boxing "fan". How many fights of Trinidad's career did you actually see?

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Many many many many many ;) All the way back to where he had the fresh prince hair cut ;)

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Well... obviously not EVERYBODY.

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Shows what you know, because I AM a trinidad fan ;)

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OK, now I'm REALLY perplexed. You're a Trinidad fan?!?
You don't sound like one. I mean, I can take the criticism of Trinidad having trouble with "boxer types" (although I'll always insist that Oscar threw away their fight himself). But "having to resort to dirty tactics to win his fights? Excuse me if I don't nominate you for president of Tito's fan club just yet. Honestly, that's the most RIDICULOUS statement I have EVER heard. And you know it.

Don't be upset because you assumed I wasn't a fan of trinidad ;) Have I ever said I don't like Trinidad. or did I say if anyone wanted to address him, I want to bring up Trinidad vs. vargas ;) I was rooting for Trinidad aginst Vargas and DLH. Just didn't think his low blow of vargas was called for. But I never contested it did I ;) really you should ask me first before you assume I'm not a Trinidad fan

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Don't be upset because you assumed I wasn't a fan of trinidad ;) Have I ever said I don't like Trinidad. or did I say if anyone wanted to address him, I want to bring up Trinidad vs. vargas ;) I was rooting for Trinidad aginst Vargas and DLH. Just didn't think his low blow of vargas was called for. But I never contested it did I ;) really you should ask me first before you assume I'm not a Trinidad fan

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Look, for the record Starr, I seriously doubt Trinidad's low blow to Vargas was premeditated. Don't forget, Tito had floored Vargas twice already in the fight. The fight had its ebb and flow (that's why it was so great), but Tito didn't need the low blow to take control of the fight. Don't forget, Vargas retaliated SEVERAL times. The fight went on and Tito gradually established control, finally knocking Vargas out. That's all that need be said. And as for the rest of Tito's fights, the record speaks for itself. Most people enjoyed watching Trinidad because he always gave them an exciting show. And he was humble, and enjoyed fighting. That's more than can be said for more than a few fighters nowadays.......

There probably won't BE another Trinidad despite his flaws.