Floyd beat better competition than Roy Jones Jr. He stepped up and fought whoever was there. Still, he remained undefeated. Bob Arum says that he thinks he is the best fighter since Muhammad Ali.
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Floyd beat better competition than Roy Jones Jr. He stepped up and fought whoever was there. Still, he remained undefeated. Bob Arum says that he thinks he is the best fighter since Muhammad Ali.
floyd needs a few more fights b4 he can even be considered in the same breath as ali, he nds to beat tony m ,hatton,cotto,odlh,and i think zab again to even b considerd an all time great at his weight, let alone p4p, hes not fit o lace alis boots, an im not a floyd hater but he nds to step up an start fightin the top guys ,not guys who usedto be at the top(zab,sharmba,gatti) last 3.
P.s arum sucks ****
Excuse me. Floyd is already an All-Time Great. Not like Ali - but fought better boxers than Roy Jones.
how dare you put this post up. i think we should ban u
Floyd Mayweather is better than Roy Jones Jr
what the hell
Are YOU FLIPPEN MAD?????????
Roy Jones was incredible!!!!ALI was INCREDIBLE!!!!!Mayweather is a good boxer, that is it. You have a lot of nerve to post this garbage. By your way of thinking KT is better then roy jones too. ::**
Floyd isn't physically gifted enough to be mentioned in the same sentence as Roy, but hey thats just my opinion :\
Floyd is "not yet" better than roy jones jr. But if you want to compare there advantage and disadvantages, there are qualities which in my personal opinion floyd is better than roy. Here is the possible advantages and disadvantages of this two boxers.
RJJ: Superior handspeed: Due to this he has a luxury to put down both of his hands and lure the "slower" boxer to punch inside and just counter them visciously we've seen someone who possess this style before and that is naseem hamed. He dominated other boxer partly due to this advantage and the other one is power.
Power: RJJ I believed has more power than Floyd and it showed in the qualities of his knockdown wins. He has more one punch knockdown and floyd needs a combination of one to four inorder to knock "majority" of his opponents down.
Stamina: Floyd has an slight advantage on this one because he is more intelligent boxer than roy and he will use it partly to conserve his energy knowing when and where is the right time to expend his power. It is not a question if both of them can reach round 12 without being knocked down because it is not a problem for both of them. But it matters how there power,handspeed,reflex, and other factors would play when fatigue comes and because floyd has more of it I can see the handspeed of roy "closely levelling" with floyd at the end of the fight.
DEFENSE "Chin": Floyd is handsdown has a better advantage in this area. Credit goes to his perfect defensive style, intelligence and partly innately born with granite chin. Roy is not to say a glass jaw himself but his defensive style really sucks and relied solely on his counter attacks and superior handspeed against his slower opponents and that is the main contributor of his knockdowns, "HE is WIDE OPEN" and forgot that he is no longer the roy jones at lower weights when he dominated them by his superior handspeed, power and great reflex. When he fought Tarver the reason of his knockdowns were not that tarver is faster and has a wide margin of power against roy, but because roy is once again " just plainly WIDE OPEN" and that tarver has a greater "REFLEX" than him.
Intelligence: Roy eventhough has greater experience than floyd is really dumb defensively, forgets that at a higher weight class he will become slower and opponents can catch up with him and with superior reflex like Tarver's, his slightly faster handspeed is no longer an advantage and with his hands lowered down on his body thinking that he can lure down and counter tarvers punches anytime like he used to; has yet to make him realize it's impossible to someone who has superior reflex opponents like tarver.
Experience: Roy clearly has more experience than floyd but since floyd is more intelligent than roy. Experience may just play a little part or no effect at all.
Reflex: Mayweather has a better reflex than roy. And can adjust as round goes by. People tend to get confuse about reflex and handspeed. ok here is an example: Handspeed is the quickness of your hands delivering punches, while reflex is the quickness of your "reaction" to the punches that you may recieve. So it is not to say that if you have superior handspeed then you have a superior reflex. That is not always the case here. Some boxer can react faster so when an opponent is slightly faster then him he can dodge his attacks and mount good defense accordingly. And some very gifted reflex boxers like juan manuel marquez,mayweather,and also roy jones jr. can see there punches coming and react to it offensively thru counter punching. But the degree of reflex with every boxers differs and it will show as round goes by, particularly, when fatigue comes into play. Roy's reflex is great during his time in the lower weights when he dominated it he clearly possesses a great reflex . However, not as great as mayweather's which will show as round goes by and this will play a major factor in there pound for pound fight fantasy. as it will cancel out the slightly faster handspeed of roy.
In conclusion: Floyd is not yet better than roy. And it still stands, but floyd can put a good fight against roy and I wouldn't be surprised if floyd wins. After all, the weakness of roy is someone who has a superior reflex and intelligence than he is which can cancel out his faster handspeed. But then again, It is still how roy can handle his superior qualities and put it into play against floyd. If floyd would get overwhelmed by it he will surely lose. On the otherhand, If floyd can maintain composure and adjust to roy's style as round goes by and uses more intelligence it will be a big trouble for roy.
Good thing for floyd right now is that he has begun to open his arms and willing to fight any available top contending fighters. And if he is honest and is willing to risk everything that he has right now on any adversity he may face because he truly believes in his potential. That is a sign of greatness.
He just said Mayweather has better reflexes than RJ. All I know is you're smoking crack thats mucho better than mine, cause I have yet to say anything like that after I hit the pipe.
I hope you're not comparing the damaged roy with the roy we all grew up with an watched. If roy has no defence the why would he get hit less then 20 times in most of his fights. He has ko power combined with speed and agility. He was born with these gifts and Mayweather will never learn how to be like roy was. Mayweather is an experienced boxer and trains extremely hard to get to where he is. He's not born with any extraordinary gifts like Ali and RJJ. He's a puppet.Quote:
Originally Posted by sleeplessrevolution
Roy made james toney and Hopkins look like amateurs in their prime and look what they've accomplished. Roy was magic!
Bob Arum is a fool. Does he not remember the 1980's? Is he seriously calling Floyd Mayweather better then some of the best p4p fighters of all time; Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Roberto Duran, Marvin Hagler, Julio Cesar Chavez, Roy Jones Jr, Alexis Arguello etc because he beat Zab Judah?!?!?!
I guess Carlos Baldomir must be the second coming of Marvin Hagler then ::**
It's not hard to tell that I'm a Mayweather fan, but who has he beat other then Judah in 4 years? Gatti? Please. He's had a very good career so far and his skills expand farther then the eye can see but he really hasn't beat anyone other then Judah after moving from 135. I'm not holding that against him because he is only 29 and has a lot of time in the ring agead of him but let's wait a decade or so before we start saying he's better then any of the fighters I mentioned, Bob. I can't beleive Arum would say that. He was the one who gave us those super fights of the 80's with Hearns, Hagler and Leonard.
They're saying these thing to create more hype for the young fans that never watched these amazing fighters. It's all about money and HBO is clinging for their life. They make mayweather look like he's the greatest because boxing is in a slump right now. Talent is hard to find and it is hurting the sport.
When it comes down to it. It's all about the MONEY!!!
It's in a slump cause they havn't seen Saddo's boxers in action!Quote:
Originally Posted by *Lights*out*
Yeah Mayweather is better than RJJ. This is boxing, not a compare-and-contrast with who was born more athletic. RJJ has the physical athleticism, inlcuding reflexes, that Mayweather doesn't poses but since when is boxing only about athleticism.
Mayweather has a chin, which Jones doesn't have. A good chin is a vital factor in deciding how good you'll do in boxing. RJJ had the convinience of barely ever getting hit flush. Mayweather has perfected boxing, while Jones mostly depended on his gifts.
I'm not gonna call Mayweather an all time great yet but if he beats the guys that fans and critics are putting in front of him, then yeah he'll be a great. And what's this stuff about him not having fought the best out there, he has, but once he beat those, there wasn't much competition left.
Hi there, Roy is the best in his comfortable weight. No question about that but not to say he can't be beaten. He hasn't just met someone who could cancel out his speed and physical prowess during his time. Because clearly he has dominated that era thru that qualities. His defense is not good because his hands are lackadaisically lowered down and he can afford to do this because he has no opponent can match his superior speed and reflex aduring that time. But what if he met someone like for example juan manuel marquez who is sharpshooter and clearly has superior refflex than he has. I don't think lowering both his hands down would just give him 20 less hits in a fight. However, floyd is of different breed than roy as a fighter. and yes he is extraordinary too. Although roy's imposing speed,power and physically prowess in his time is the main reason of greatness. Floyd is more of a complete fighter than roy will ever be. Floyd, has speed,good power,physical prowess,stamina,great reflex, and more so far more intelligent than roy. I think one area of why roy is partly that great is his showmanship in the ring. I have to admit iam an a rjj fan through the years and he is more fun to watch in the ring than floyd which results in adding more hype in him as a fighter. But that's just it, and he is all done now. and I hope he will use more of his god given intelligence in his future fights and learn the lesson that he can't lower both of his hands defensively like he use to in the lower weights. because this time he is doen's have that superior handspeed like he use to have. And for Floyd, He has yet to prove his greatness, by Beating all the top contenders.
:coolclick" for you. Floyd's record speaks better. This is not a comparison of who is the quickest and/or most athletic. Good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by sleeplessrevolution
And, :coolclick: for you - the Baller.Quote:
Originally Posted by baller
I don't think Floyd has anyone on his resume that could compare to Roy's. I don't see any potential decade legendary Champion on Floyd's resume(Hopkins) and I do not see a master boxer future 3(4 if you count the one fight) division champion on Floyd's resume either(James Toney). Just because Floyd has more names, doesn't mean he has a better resume. And when Roy faced those guys, he blew one out(Toney) and had a competitive fight with the other(Hopkins). Floyd it seems when he faces someone potentially great he struggles.
Nope. :lickish:Quote:
Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
Toney>Castillo
Hopkins>Corrales
Ruiz>Judah
Griffin>Gatti ...etc.
Roy=bigger, faster, stronger and generally more gifted
+ you have no idea that Mayweather's chin is better because he's never been hit with anything close to the shots that dropped OLD, SLOW Roy
sleeplessrevolution
u are saying mayweather has better reflexes then jones
this is y this should be removed from the board
Face it. Roy Jones Jr. is overrated - just like my boy Mike Tyson. :)
We are not talking about reflexes.Quote:
Originally Posted by artest2000
At this rate, Floyd will be better than Roy Jones Jr.
Again, he's been overrated due to his speed and athletic ability.
Floyd Mayweather handles business, but let's wait and see if he will get old and keep fighting late in his career against the same scrub-turned-good and get four losses.
Don't think it will happen.
When Floyd puts about another 4 or 5 good to great victories on his record, then that's it. This guy is smarter.
I READ THAT ARTICLE TOO....ARUM SAID HES AS GOOD AS ALI...COURSE HE'S GONNA SAY THAT...THATS HIS PROMOTER... READ INTO IT A LITTLE MORE, CHAMP :bs:
::** The closest thing Floyd will ever have to a prime great on his resume is Castillo
and Castillo has like 7 losses.
Floyd prefers to cherry-pick belts off wash-ups and paper champs.
Even if he beats Oscar, it's OLD-INACTIVE-already-beaten-several-times-Oscar.
I still say Floyd who after watching a Calzaghe fight :)
Roy Jones Jr. does that all of the time. He "cherry-picks" his contenders and at least Mayweather doesn't want to keep fighting the same guy over and over about four times. Antonio Tarver is crap and couldn't beat Roy Jones Jr. years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by FLH2o
Floyd is playing the game right!
He takes each fight step-by-step. Roy Jones Jr. wants to move around in weight and destroy himself. Like Mike Tyson, once he hit his low it was like a car crash.
Floyd didn't beat better competition than Roy JOnes Jr. ... Roy beat McCallum, Toney(prime), Hopkins.. thats three hall of famers right there, and not just barely make it, but actual legitimate candidates... He also beat alot of very good fighters easier than Floyd Mayweather has done except maybe his fight against Corrales.Quote:
Originally Posted by drgoodlooking
he's not as technically gifted as Mayweather, but that didn't fit his ability as well as his style IMO... Either than that I say that Roy would be too much faster, and hit too much harder than Mayweather p4p to lose. At first I thought Mayweather would beat Roy, but after his fight with Zab who is a little slower than him, and doesn't hit anywhere near as hard p4p as Jones who is also better than Zab as a boxer and he had a far better good chin earlier in his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by drgoodlooking
If Mayweather lost he would chase the opponent like Roy has, and Mayweather is moving around in wieght as well.. He should be back at 140 still instead of moving up. Roy Jones Jr. before he had close fight with Tarver only fought ONE fighter twice and that was Montell Griffin... Mayweather so far has only foughten one fighter twice and thats Castillo.. the only guy who has been able to compete against him. I think if he gets a DQ or NC he might fight Judah again so what your saying is false.Quote:
Originally Posted by drgoodlooking
I'm talkin' about Roy when he was still Roy.
Let it be told that the Griffin rematch was because Roy hit Griffin when Griffin was on one knee, he wouldn't have lasted another round and Roy showed it by picking up right where he left off in the easy blow out rematch.
Mayweather's rematch is because someone actually gave him a good fight.
& you can say what you want but Mayweather will never have names of PRIME HOFers
like Toney, B-Hop and McCallum (thanks Taeth, forgot that one) on his resume.
Why is this sooo hard to understand????
Mayweather is a good boxer no doubt but Ali and RJJ are in different leagues!!!
PBF is technically sound and taught to be that way. Great boxers combine technique and raw talent. There is nothing that PBF does that makes me go "WOW". That is the difference.
And he should be punished for not realizing this and coming out with the words, "I'm good, just not as good as them - Don't listen to Bob Arum" :)Quote:
Originally Posted by *Lights*out*
O well, we'll have to wait till Ricky makes him say it
So because he doesn't make you go wow, that means he can't be a great?Quote:
Originally Posted by *Lights*out*
I'm not gonna take away RJJ's wins just to prove that PBF is better because beating Toney, Hopkins, and McCallum(old) is an accoplishment. But PBF also has an impresive resume: Hernandez, Chavez, Castillo (twice), Corrales (and Judah).
RJJ is an athletic phenom but boxing is not basketball, or football, you need more than athleticism. RJJ never got hit because of his physical gifts whereas PBF rarely gets hit because of great skill. What happened to Roy when his physical gifts started to fade just a little?
Another thing is the question about Floyd's chin never been tested. Make sure you watch the Castillo fights. One particular shot in the first fight where Castillo connects with a full leverage shot right at the point of the chin while PBF runs into it would have KO'd many fighters. Castillo is a one-punch KO guy with 47 KO's in 54 fights.
Now about the Judah fight. Most boxing fans know that fighters who depend on their speed have trouble with guys who can match their speed. Judah could match PBF's speed and for 4 rounds he did well, but what happened when PBF figured him out? He loses 3 straight rounds to a man who could match his speed but then just dominated therafter. What else can you ask of this man?
BTW, PBF is still going strong and at this pace I don't see him losing to Hatton, Margarito, DLH, or Mosley. When he beats all these guys that are put in front of him, what will people say then? I know he's not comparable to Ali right now but if he gets past all these guys then he has to be mentioned.
If Floyd can beat all the top contenders without tarnishing his undefeated record. He will undoubtedly be one of the greatest fighters in his era and arguably be the the best of all time. And yes "He will be better than roy." and the chance is still there for those who are open minded. Let's face it roy is all done right now. He may win two or three fights but no one cares anymore.. I for one follows and admired roy's career through the years. This guy ruled at his comfortable weight thru his superior handspeed,power and physical prowess when no one can match it at that era. But by moving at a higher weight class he has lost his speed and power superiority. and as a result it exposes roy's weakness of being a unintelligent fighter, has poor defense and a glass jaw. He has yet to realize that dropping both of his hands is a no.. no.. in boxing and he was able to do this before bacause he was far agile and have better reflex than his opponents but his current weight class won't give him that advantage anymore thus he needs to adjust according to it. exposing his chin is just exposing his misfortune in every fight. Look at the tarver fight. Roy still has superior handspeed against tarver but then tarver has a superior reflex than roy. It doesn't matter how fast or how much volume of punches roy sneaks to him because tarver sees his punches coming when and where. Now, if tarver would have fought roy at his comfortable weight, Tarver's reflex wouldn't be enough to see roy's punches coming thru. And he would have been knocked out. But that's just "IF" and what if during roy's dominating era met a fighter like Juan manuel marquez who is a sharpshooter and has a superior reflex than he has?.. I don't think those dropping of hands will work for roy anymore.. And a tarver event would instantly reinact.
Floyd's career is just blossoming, He is not yet as great as roy, accomplishment wise, But roy's career is all done and floyds has yet to prove his greatness by beating all the top contenders. Again if he can do this without tarnishing his undefeated record, There is no reason why floyd is not better than roy. And personally, I think he is. Because he may not be as physically gifted as roy; his athletecism is not bad at all. Moreover, he is far more intelligent and technically sound than roy and being smart plays a big role most specially as you grow old. If you are not convinced about zab's Unanimous Defeat what's the fuss let them have a rematch. Even the greatest boxers of all time experience some inconvicing and not so imposing victories and sometimes loses and yet they come back and prove there point. lets face it, amongst the fighters right now, Floyd has all the potential to be the greatest with his untarnished record,great athletecism combined with a complete package of boxing skills, charisma, age, professionalism and all. Btw,I would also love manny paquiao to go down as one of all time greats though. I wish him luck harnishing his boxing ability and not just be contented being a power puncher. It will do him well as he grows old and he can do it because he is smart and is willing to adjust according to his opponents. ^_^
Roy Jones Jr. would have won the first fight with Griffin, but he was losing on points and only Griffin's weak chin saved him... He couldn't figure out Griffin because of how awkward Griffin was and he used his jab.Quote:
Originally Posted by FLH2o
Ali was not in a different league... I think he had close fights with alot of fighters that shouldn't have even made him breath hard. He didn't have the talent of either Mayweather or Roy Jones Jr. its just most heavyweights in his time were slow asses.Quote:
Originally Posted by *Lights*out*
Granted Griffin troubled Roy but once he figured him out it was all over.
I think people forget the rematch was a 1st rd TKO.
That's pretty amazing when you consider Griffin beat Toney twice.
I don't know if you are related to PBF, but there is no other reason in this world why anyone else outside of family would consider him better then RJJ. I wont even bother going into details that have already been said plenty in here. But what were you thinking when you posted this? come on.
Floyd can fight on the inside better than Jones ever could. O0