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Mosley's saying if he beats Vargas in the rematch, he wants PBF next. Rumors are swirling that Delahoya may be looking at Tito instead of PBF for his next fight. So if PBF then chooses Mosley to beat next, this would be a lopsided loss for Sugar Shane. The old, pre-Vernon Forest Shane might have beaten PBF. But this one punch at a time guy that Mosley has become would get beat worse than Judah did.
PBF, please skip over Mosleyland and go straight to Hattonville.
he wont beat him, basicaly
hes too old, too slow
vargas had the batter of him, he wants it more
This actually would be a harder fight than Judah..because Shane at 147 will not throw one punch at a time...he's way stronger than judah and would actually hurt PBF if he lands...this fight would be extremely close even now with shane at 34...he'd tear Judah a new asss and knock him out..shane has too much power and strength for judah...Shane is P4P the strongest fighter in the sport...was benching 400lbs when he was 147....
Exactly .Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Floyds never met a man as afast and who hits as hard as sugar Shane and Floyds already been floored and been outpointed ( both not officially against Judah and JLC )
A prime Mosley destroys PBF with ease but if they fought now it would be a close 1
"A prime Mosley destroys Floyd with ease"? - Where do they find you people? If PBF ever loses, it won't be "with ease"!! And "Mosley's p4p the stronger fighter in the sport"? Where you getting that from? So he benches 400 lbs. If he's so strong why does he have like one KO in the past 5 yrs?
A Prime Mosley at 135 would beat Floyd.
A "prime" Mosley at 147 would get beat. Because he gave up his form to try to look spectacular and get knockouts, and thus opened up holes in his defense and boxing style that someone like Vernon Forrest took full advantage of and Mayweather would have too.
Shane right "now" has a better chance against Floyd because of the fewer flaws he possesses and little things implimented into his style that could frustrate Mayweather.
I think Mosley now has a better chance to beat Floyd then he did in his "prime" at 147.
I gave you a CC, Starr, cuz I agree with most of your post. But I dont agree Mosley has abetter chanxce now than in his prime at 147. Nowadays, he throws one punch at a time, doesnt move his head as much, just aint the same fighter. Guys trying to get a KO will get beat by PBF everytime.
IMO, at 147, in his prime, Mosley was one of the most complete fighters of the past 20 yrs. Power, speed, combinations, he had it all. Now. . . . .
IWO, the best thing that Floyd can do is go back to 140.
I just don't dig on his chances against all these bigger boys & even though I don't dig on Mosley...he's a superb fighter, he's fast, & he's got some power.
I am not a believer in all this hopping in weights...but I do believe that Floyd was faster & more effective from the 130ish to 140 range.
Well Mayweather would shut Mosley out if they fought now and box his way to a one sided decision.....although a prime mosley-mayweather would be a great fight.
Agreed. I think he was best at 130.
And I dont care what anyone says. Today, he'ws no. 1 p4p. But he shouldn't be undefeated. Castillo got jerked in their first fight.
And I agree, too. PBF would dominate this version of Mosley.
I never said he'd beat him...I said it would be a much tougher fight than Judah...because Shane is so strong...he wouldn't be discouraged by being tapped all night...and he's got more than enough power to hurt PBF....I think PB would win...but i guarantee it would be waaaaay tougher than Judah...and i said he was p4p the strongest not the most powerful...that's why he's so bulky...he's got a lot of strength for his size and he'd take floyd punches with ease..not to mention he doesn't have KO's because he's fighting bigger guys...when he fights someone at 147 or below or again..he will knock them out...if he hurt Winky with one punch...rest assured he will hurt anyone at 147 or below if he lands...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Nightmare
Friend, he "stunned" Winky. He didnt "hurt" him. Theres a big difference in those two words.
And if he's so "strong" why was Vargas able to push him whereever he wanted?
No he wasn't benching 400 llbs... thats bs. Also Judah didn't throw one punch at a time, and he is faster than Shane was even in his first fight with ODLH.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
He could bench 400 for two reps..I saw it with my own eyes..he maxed out at 400lbs if you don't believe it check maxboxing workout archives... and I don't what you were looking at but judah would get KTFO had he made it to a fight with Shane at 147 or below shane had too much power...and i guess it was the air that caused Vargas' head to swell...Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Winky wright addressing Shane ability to bench 400...
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_ho.../25302241.html
If they were to fight now,I think Mayweather would beat him easily. I don't know, I just did not see anything threatening about him against Vargas and I back Fernando to win the rematch.I did not see that many explosive combos,the movement etc.
As shane has gone up in weight he like most fighters believes that he can punch harder...so he focuses on one or two punches at a time..even floyd doesn't throw as many as he used to...esp with shane being able to lift so much, he thinks that translates into being able to punch harder, but if he dropped weight he would throw combinations again...and a fight with PBF at 147 would be much tougher for PBF than wack-asss Judah...because shane would be motivated and the underdog at a reasonable weight and everything to gain...154 is too high for shane...the same as 160 was too high for Mayorga...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
I dont think so, Shane has fast hands and ok power, he also comes forward, the Three things that Myweather couldnt handle until Zab started folding.
Would have loved For Shane after beating DLH to move down to 140 and fight Kostya Tszyu
. . and who da f** are you , Nostrodamus ? How do you know Floyd will never lose with ease . He hasnt fought at the highest level yet like Shane has .Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Nightmare
Mosley in the last 5 years has bee fighting 3 divisions above his natural weight . As a lightweight he had the highest k.o percentage of any world champion . Floyd cant even break an egg with his punches . How many times was he hitting chinny Judah clean and he couldnt even wobble him ?!
Weel, Nostradamus I'm not. But if you knock PBF for lacking KO power, what about Mosley? No KO's in like 5 yrs!! All his power was at 135. Okay, we know that. What I don't get is why there are all of a sudden so many PBF haters on this site. The guy restaked his claim as the #1 guy p4p with a convincing performance against a good opponent, and he STILL cant get no love!!
And this is BOXING, not FIGHTING. Who says you're better cuz you have a higher KO percentage? Whether he KO's people or wins UD's, as long as he keeps winning is what we should be looking at.
are you suggesting Floyd is a bigger puncher than Shane ? His punches bounced off chinny Judah . Moelsy was knocking out everyone at lightweight and scored some spectacular k.o's at welter . Im yet to see Floyd do something similar .Quote:
Weel, Nostradamus I'm not. But if you knock PBF for lacking KO power, what about Mosley?No KO's in like 5 yrs!!
By beating Judah ? taht was no great win . Getting floored winning on points and having your cornerman choke your opponent . Hatton stopped tszyu which was a much better win . On that theory he should be p4p number 1Quote:
All his power was at 135. Okay, we know that. What I don't get is why there are all of a sudden so many PBF haters on this site. The guy restaked his claim as the #1 guy p4p with a convincing performance against a good opponent,
Has he kept winning ? He got beat by Castillo but got the decision . Castillo is a limited mexican who gets stopped by nobodys . Then Floyd gets wobbled by Corley . Fight crap opponents since and now hes the best p4p ? Judah was coming off a loss to a nobody so how can that be a great win .Quote:
And this is BOXING, not FIGHTING. Who says you're better cuz you have a higher KO percentage? Whether he KO's people or wins UD's, as long as he keeps winning is what we should be looking at.
Btw I quoted someone else about being nostodamus
The Nostradamus remark was funny to me, so no big deal.
And "Castillo gets stopped by nobody's?" - Dude, except for Corrales, all of Castillo's KO losses were b/c of cuts or something similar. He's never been hurt in a fight, except by Chico. That was a good win for him v. PBF, although the judges jerked him.
And PBF's only had 2 fights at 147. He stopped Sharmba on a body shot. A known fighter who had only been stopped (Tszyu rematch) once. He KO' Corrales, KO'd Gatti, KO'd Manfredy when Manfredy was still good. Judah aint a top level fighter, but he is still a dangerous opponent.
He didn't bench 400, he maxed out at 315, they said on his little HBO piece before the Adrian Stone fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Nightmare
Sharmba Mitchel has been stopped -Quote:
Originally Posted by BABABOOEY
Once by Floyd Mayweather
twice by Kostya Tszyu
Once by Stevie Johnston
Once by Levander Johnson
Castillo was only stopped on cuts once..three other time he was KO'ed once in the second round...and now Judah's only a top level fighter?Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
He was the unified WW champ...now because floyd beats him he's not top level but only good...I feel it coming...the RJJ criticism...when the p4p top guy beats the so-called upset guy his level diminishes in an hateful attempt to discredit floyd...same with calzaghe and lacy...it's only after the best fighter kick the shat out of the hopefuls is loser's ability questioned...if Judah wasn't a champion level fighter, but merely a good contender...what does that say about the people that Margarito beat that make him worthy of a shot at PBF...I tell you what, it's better to beat ex-champs than it is to beat never will be champs....and that's all Margarito has beat...so if Judah is only good, then the guys Maragrito has beaten must be some real crap....
Why do you find the need to bring every statment,topic etc back to "Margarito this,Margarito that"?? I think you should go on boxrec and check who Tony has beaten,half of them were unbeaten young prospects(Cintron,who is still dangerous,Martinez etc),there's former champs(6 heads) and no-one said they were great but hey they are on par with Zab's! Secondly,Zab was undisputed champ because he moved up and AUTOMATICALLY was given a shot,how is that earning it?He has lost 4 of his last 7,when did Tony last lose at WW? ??? What is he supposed to do if Vargas,Mayorga,De La Hoya,Mosley etc don't want to fight him? Someone WILL give him his shot like JMM,Winky etc. Also,how do you explain high percentage of respected writers giving Margarito credit? Number 2 and 1 ESPN and Ring?
Castillo has never been stopped genuinely apart from the Corrales fight,the rest have been due to cuts and he has only been stopped once in second round.
Well I only bring up Tony because he's given credit for beating guys that if PBF fought, would be criticized. And he's the one that some think should be next in line for a fight with PBF...Like the statment of you giving credit to tony for beating six-heads..yet say judah had lost his last couple..six heads just been ko'ed by mayorga soon before that...and actually i saw the second fight highlights where castillo was stopped by javier in the tenth round not by cuts but due to fists...after checking i see that he's actually stopped him twice...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
And judah did beat spinks the WW champ right? Judah got his fight for the title because at the time he had the WBO LW belt and moved up for the fight with spinks...much like mosely getting a shot at ODLH when he moved up..it's the talent that many see that allow the smaller guy to come up and challenge for the belt...And as far as no one wanting to fight him, he's been there for 10 years... i seriously doubt they were the ones deciding not to fight him...he probably was the one out pricing himself...i really hate specualtion, but he's been there for ten years, guys like mosely, ODLH, trinidad, forrest, mayorga, carr, were all right there, they fought each other...maybe when they were there Tony wasn't ready for them so his opportunity passed..now just because he's ready to fight, and the other guys have satisfied their careers, and now only looking for money fights they won't fight him, that's his fault he wasn't ready...much like this situation now...he going to keep talking and PBF will have moved on to other things...He needs to beat someone of real note. and stop beating these so-called up and comers that strangely don't seem to do anything after he beats them...that's all PBF is saying..."who's margarito beaten? Cintron? If floyd would have beaten Cintron, PBf would have be criticized to no end. Or even PBF decides to fight Six heads..I guarantee he won't be given credit for that, yet Tony is? I'm just saying hold these so called contenders to the same light as the champs...
It's quite silly to compare Tony's opponents to Floyd's simply because Floyd is supposed to be P4P number1,which is why he is scrutinised more and I think you will find Mosley himself said he is not ready for Margarito and he criticised others(Zab etc) for not fighting him. Margarito does not price himself out,all he asks is for the big fights to prove himself. We shall see,Floyd has been offered $6,ooo,ooo to fight him,so....... Who has Zab beaten again?? Cintron is as dangerous as anyone on his resume except Tszyu and oh,look what happened there? Also,all this talent BS,a guy has to prve himself before he get a shot,regardless of how much talent he has.
Also,PBF has himself said Margarito is quote "a good fighter" sooooo....... and Margarito is more of a threat and respected more than anyone Floyd has fought in the last 3 years. Explain why nearly all the respected writers want to se the fight? Why does Floyd not show us the"truth"?
P.S. I am a Floyd fan,how can you not be,his talent is awesome BUT mARGARITO deserves a shot! Everyone was saying the same thing about JMM,Winky etc IE who have they beaten etc. They proved themselves,I just want Floyd to give Tony a shot too.
cintron is dangerous why, because he was undefeated...he really hadn't beaten anybody either...even judah's loss to Kt was better than TONY beating Cintron...for the fact that judah clearly won the first round against KT..and many believed that had he not pulled a judah and lost focus would won and easy decision...not me though. but that's the logic...even using the beat the man logic...judah beat spinks, who beat mayorga, who beat forrest, who beat shane, who beat ODLH... that still comes out to be more of an accomplishment, if you were to do the same with Tony or cintron's opponents...nobody's asking him to beat one of the guys listed just fight somebody of real note and how he does against them will be the measuring stick of whether or not he gets a shot...i know A beating B doesn't mean A would beat C, but it's just the fact that how you do against a common opponent brings the curiosity, not to mention the public's attention to want to see the fight...if they were just trying to market Margarito v PBF to just real fans, enthusiasts, and writers the arena would be pretty empty...but they're not, and nobody's going pay to see PBF beat a guy they've never heard of...and as far as floyd's legacy goes...think about it like this if you ask any layman who the best boxer was ever...many would say ALI...when all real boxing people know it was Sugar Ray Robinson...If PBF beat up an old ODLH he'd score more credit with the overrall majority than he would for fighting Tony...legacies are not only determined by real students of the sport but those who pay for it as well...this is part of the reason why many still believe tyson (laymen) could be HW champ...because he was sold so well to the layman...
Agree with the last part of your statement,however,to say that Judah losing to Tszyu was a greater achievement than Tony beating Cintron is really poor. ??? ::** and you and I know both know that "man who beat the man" is nonsense.
yeah its bad that he lost, and how can he benfit from a lost with Tony winning...well it's simple...KT was known and Judah gave him trouble in the first, right? And many believe KO's that early in a fight among two good fighters could be a fluke, esp when the KO'ed fighter won the first round so convincingly...much like even though Vitaly lost to Lennox, he actually benefited by that lost because Lennox was recognized as a champ, and vitaly was giving him fits, and winning...to lose against a publically recognized great fighter is sometimes better than beating an unknown fighter...and in the case of Judah KT...it's not as if Judah was beaten up in the 1st round then KO'ed he actually won the first easily...that's why he was still marketable...I only used the beat the man logic because like i said they still have to sell the fight...and the public will say things likeQuote:
Originally Posted by The Game
"didn't judah beat spinks, and spinks beat Mayorga, right?"
" So spinks must be real good because he beat him, and mayorga KO'ed forrest, right?"
"Didn't forrest beat Shane, and Shane is real good"
Conclusion: tickets sold, because of how the public relates these separate fights together...that's why I'm saying that Tony's needs to fight someone of real note....can't use Six-heads because he got KO'ed by Mayorga before he actually beat someone to give him a chain in the "beat the man" logic....
Good point. Cuz one fighter beats someone who beats someone else, dont make the first guy a goos fighter. Some guys we never heard of beat Glen Johnson, who KO'd RJJ, does that mean those guys who beat Johnson can beat RJJ?
No it doesn't...but in the matter of selling seats...i'd bet part of the marketing strategy would be...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Nightmare
"Tonight Omar Shieka takes on Joe Calzaghe, Who is Omar Shieka you ask? Well he beat Glenn Johnson and we all know Glen Johnson is one of the only men to Knockout the great Roy Jones"
you see the point...Not in the matter of real boxing students, beat the man doesn't matter as much...but when you're trying to sell seats it matters most....
Thats a fair point. The general public bites at those types of facts that really dont matter.
But real boxing folk like us know those theories rarely make sense.
Aaaaah,now I see what you mean,in terms of selling seats,yes you are indeed correct but still I would rather defeat an unbeaten prosepect than get KTFO and throw a tantrum afterwards ;D and yes,we true fans know better.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Nah man we see eye to eye 100%....Tony and Hatton are the only fights that need to made for PBF...yeah i agree those are two fight i'd pay to see period...but I'm just defending my 2nd favorite fighter PBF, if he chooses not to fight Tony based off the selling seats argument. I wouldn't be mad.... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
that would be a good fight but at the same time Mosley is past his prime & Floyd would have a better chance now then if he fought a prime Mosley & INO Mosley would beat Floyd
Ok FLOYD JOCKIES FORRESTER HAD MOSLEYS STLYE DOWNLOADED AND HE JUST WAS THE BETTER MAN AND THE SAME WITH WINKY... BUT TO SAY THAT PRETTY BOY WOULD BEAT MOSLEY... HOW? MOSLEY IS A WARRIOR HE WAS SPEED AND POWER AND STAMINA BRAINS HE'S DAMN NEAR A TOTAL PACKAGE. FLOYD JUST FOUGHT JUDAH AND IN THE EARLY ROUNDS WHEN BOTH FIGHTERS WERE AT 100% U SAW THE OUTCOME OF THAT. ANYONE WHO SAYS THAT MAYWEATHER CAN STAND MOSLEYS SPEED AND POWER MIGHT AS WELL BE A FLOYD CHEERLEADER. FLOYD TO ME HONESTLY IS THE SMARTEST BOXER TODAY BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE'S ELITE WHEN HE FIGHTS FIGHTERS WITH SPEED HE JUST LOOKS NORMAL (JUDAH,MITCHELL) HE'S BEEN CAUGHT WITH FLUSH HITS AND THERE NOT ELITE FIGHTERS THEIR ON A C LEVEL. WHETHER U ADMIT IT OR NOT HE WONT LATER AGAINST MOSLEY BUT I CANT CONVINCE FLOYD FANS THERE BLIND TO ALOT OF STUFF WHEN IT COMES TO HIM LIKE WHEN JUDAH KNOCKED HIM DOWN MANY PEOPLE STILL SAY IT DIDN'T HAPPEN BUT JUST WATCH IN TIME PEOPLE WILL SEE
I BET MAYWEATHER IS GONNA FIGHT MARGARITO INSTEAD OF MOSLEY OR SOME OTHER SLUM OVER HE KNOWS HE CAN BEAT