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I just had the pleasure of watching 4/5 fights of Mosley in the lower weights and he was AWESOME!!! Speed,power and the combos were awesome!!! Why did he move up in weight?? He would be an all time great had he stayed at 135. You think he could have beaten Floyd@135?? That would have been one of the best matches ever!!!! So what I want to know what you guys think of him,how highly you rate him etc.
At 135, he is one of the all time greats. I personally prefer the 147 version. The Adrian Stone KO, the Shannon Taylor 1st rd knockdown. The 4 and 5 punch combos. . . . . and then came Vernon.
IMO..Shane is top 5 all time at lightweight...33-0-32kos ...and i wish he wouldn't have skipped 140 because he and judah would have already fought by now...although Shane would have KO'ed him too...Shane and KT would have been great...but all that aside...Shane is top five lightweight all time...and even right now I believe that at 147 he will give PBF way more trouble than Judah could've dreamed of...
mosley was a very exceptional fighter at 135....awesome speed, and lightning combos.... he could very well have given floyd a run for his money at 135...
mosley is still extremely good now, though of course he's lost speed and doesnt throw combos anywhere nearly as frequently....
top fighter IMO....
I don't think he would be a match for Floyd@147,the speed seems to have gone and so have the combos,they are not anywhere near as frequent and he sould easily KO Zab. The Tszyu fight would be awesome,I think Kostya could win,but one question,how good was Shane's chin???
I always thought Shane had a pretty good chin. Aside from the Forest fight Shane has never really been hurt.
Shane's chin was excellent, only been dropped once, against forrest after the headbutt, he kinda wasn't himself for a moment due to the blood pour from his head, like the Jermaine taylor cut on the top of the head...and shane got caught with a hard rightfollowed by a perfect uppercut...but that was in the 2nd round...and he got up and won rounds in route to losing a UD to forrest in the first fight...Shane is extremely strong, said forrest...He could take KT's shot....Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
IMO KT is a boxers worst nightmare...and he is the grim reaper for any southpaw. You give him time to think then your losing the fight and if your a southpaw...learn to fight right handed coz you know your getting hit with that right all night and not many can last that for half a fight let alone 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
hey game, which fights have you seen of him because ive only seen the vargas one and he wasnt that good. which are the best to watch him in his prime?
Against Vargas, shane is 20 pounds north of his prime and 5 or 6 years past it...you don't even have to watch him at 135 to see his best stuff, besides he killed everybody down there...just watch him in the first de la hoya fight, or even his fights at 147 before he fought forrest....Quote:
Originally Posted by TICH
Sorry Snakey, but this would be Kostya Tzsyu after fighting Shane at 140:Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
http://users.adelphia.net/~cpaladino...s/toe_tag2.jpg
I didn't want to go that far and disrespect a great like KT, but yeah he probably would have one-sided KT at 140... ;) ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by smashcrusher
Dont think so, please explain to me why mosely and dela hoya didnt even try to fight tszyu at 140? They were the best but KT was the best of that division yet neither of them wanted to touch him. Could it be that he posed too much of a threat for too little money? I would say so.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashcrusher
don't know about Oscar, but Shane skipped 140 altogether...and never fought one fight at that weight..oscar on the other hand might have some explaining to do ;)
I think the fights of him at 135,he was awesome!!! Basically all his fights up until the Forrest fight I'd say,but in particualr those at 135. I am about to get an external Hard drive,when I do,I'll be uploading all my fights,I'll put some Mosley ones up and let you know mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICH
Snakey,I agree 100%,Kostya was AVoiDED LIKE THE PLAGUE@140. The only people that could beat him are guys that bumrushed him Phillps,Hatton. Boxers were perfect for him,gave him time to think,feel his way around.
Um, Snakey, When Oscar was at 140 Kostya was busy getting knocked the F#@k out by Vince Phillips. Now why again should Oscar or Shane push for a fight with a boxer who just got taken behind the woodshed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
Oh so,KT, loses to Phillips maeans he is not worthy of fighting??? I think not. How long did Tszyu stay unbeaten after that? Maybe they should push for a fight to prove that they are the best? There is too much emphasis on making the big money fights rather than fighting the best and proving you are the best.
Didn't mean he wasn't worthy, but by the time KT built his stock back up they'd moved on to 147...KT's loss not their's...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
Why are you bringing up what happened after the knockout as an example? Oscar and Shane in '97 weren't looking at what Kostya did from '98--05 because they didn't have crystal balls, they were looking at him at that point. Tell me this, before the Phillips fiasco (and let's not say he just lost, he got KTFO) what exactly had Kostya done to prove he was one of the best fighters in the world? What world beater did he beat then? For the same reason Acelino Freitas fell off the map for so long after his loss to Corrales, so too did Kostya, and you can't sit there for a second and say he was automatically deserving of a shot against Oscar or Shane, AT THAT TIME.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
eRRRR,the same reason Zab got a shot at Floyd after losing to Baldomir,same reason Morales fought Pacman despite losing to Raheem,just because someone loses once,it's all over for him? Oh...so as soon as Tszyu lost,he was automatically unworthy of a shot at Oscar and Shane? ::** Oh,so that stopped them from coming back to 140 and fighting him? Tszyu lost to Phillips in 97,who had Mosley beaten up until that point? It's how he beat them that he got his recognition,same with Tszyu and up until 97,Oscar had faded legends on his record(Whitaker Camacho etc)
Game, the reason Zab got a shot at Floyd and Morales got a shot at Pacman is because there was a huge public demand to see those fights. There was absolutely no public demand whatsoever to see Kostya get it on with Oscar in '97 and you know that and saying anything different would just be a lie. And you don't honestly believe Oscar was viewed as just a bum beater back then do you? He had already become the biggest attraction outside the heavyweight division. Trying to argue that Kostya deserved a shot at Oscar right after his KO loss to Vince Phillips is a moot point.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
I'm not saying he should have got a shot STRAIGHT after,merely stating that it's strange Oscar and Mosley missed out on fighting him. Also,you answered your own question,if Oscar was the biggest attraction,then fighting Tszyu would have made him millions,regardless of Tszyu having lost and there being no interest,heck if you put an 80 year old woman in the ring with Oscar,it would still be PPV! I was just responding to your point about who Kostya had beaten before Phllips,the same principle applied to Mosley and De La Hoya.
I see what you're saying but Oscar was more concerned about being the greatest fighter of all time, and the man was fighting who people viewed as the best at that time. He fought Chavez when he was on top at 140, Whitaker when he was on top at 147, Ike and Tito afterwards and so on and so forth. He could have made money fighting Kostya sure, but he wanted to build his legacy and at the time Kostya just wasn't that big.
Fair enough and CC,you made your points well. However,I disagree on Chavez being on top,at that stage,he was merely a shadow of himself and that Whitaker fight was a robbery!!! Oscar is a legend though,no doubt about that.
thanks jonesjr for the advice but the problem is i cant find the mosley vs de la hoya fight. if anyone has the fight or the link it will be appreciated thanks.
Shane would beat Tszyu at 140.
What makes you so confident?Quote:
Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
Shane would have broken Tszyu down to the body and not given Tszyu space to use his right hand, he wouldn't give Tszyu room to extend nor would he give ground to Tszyu and would have broken Tszyu down methodically while one shot from Tszyu wouldn't do it, or more or less wouldn't hit a very good defensively Shane. And Shane had a killer left hook to the body.
Agreed that Mosley at his peak had some the best body work I've ever seen however,Tszyu would catch him more than once and also,Tszyu would catch him coming in for sure and I'm certain Tszyu would land more than enough shots to hurt Mosley.
here's Mosely's first title shot at lightweight and the only fight that went the distance while he was down there...its against phillip holidayQuote:
Originally Posted by TICH
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=66PSAIFK
thanks a lot jonesjr :) if anyone has more links to his fights it will be great.
here's his fight with golden johnson also for the title at lightweight great body shots too...Quote:
Originally Posted by TICH
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DOSY3BRD
i can't seem to get my de la hoya fight to upload, but i'll keep trying....
I think he's overrated in terms of skill... He threw combinations well, and was extremely athletic(probably the closest to Mike Tyson and Roy Jones Jr. we've seen), but he didn't have the relaxness in the ring or the ring savy in seemed to necessary for him to be considered great. He had a hard time with Vernon Forrest who IMO he should have beaten rather easily, but he couldn't adapt as the very best fighters could (Whitaker, Ali, PBF, Holyfield, Leonard).
From what I heard he was drained when he fought Holiday becauseh e had to lose a lot of weight. And holiday went the distance, he was impressive in every other lightweight fight.
cheers, jonesjr i appreciate it.
Starr,or anyone else,you see Round 4 I think of the Holiday fight,Mosley throws one of the best cobos I have ever seen in my life,about 8-9 hits,fast powerful,head and body and the commentator says what can you do about that! It was amazing,I keep rewinding it to that to see it over and over and yep,Holiday was no bum,I mean in the fight before that he threw like 150 plus punches in the last 2 rounds of the fight against someone who thought he could ko Mosley,I forget the name!
Mosley has something in common with Sugar Ray Leonard that I just thought of. In the early part of Mosley's career he used great speed both with his hands and on his feet, and rarely fought on the inside, often preferring to clinch or turn an opponent and get back to outside boxing. Leonard was quite similar in his early years although he was a bit bigger. As Leonard got older and slowed down he gradually began to fight more on the inside, and threw the best body shots that I ever saw him use in his loss to Terry Norris. In Leonard's case, it was rather a shame that he only began to really set down on his punches when he was over the hill, but in Mosley's case he seems to be still in his prime. Mosley surprised me a lot by how he fought De La Hoya, moving forward and forcing the fight on both occasions. This was a total change from his earlier years. I missed his fight with Fernando Vargas but I'm guessing that he stood his ground quite a bit and didn't do a lot of holding.
Anyway, I don't think that Mosley is past his prime quite yet. His losses to Forrest were more a case of a limitation being exposed rather than being over the hill. Mosley just didn't match up well with a taller outside boxer with a big right hand.