Hey,i'm wondering if the philly shell defense is as effective as normal blocking or if effective at all.thanx.
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Hey,i'm wondering if the philly shell defense is as effective as normal blocking or if effective at all.thanx.
from what iv seen, it can leave u a bit open to the right hand. (orthodox vs. orthodox)
but obviously it protects the stomach area very well.
Sopposedly u roll your shoulder for rights (hooks) but what about an orthadox left hook wouldn't it catch you on the chin, in your opion are there better blocking styles?
its like any other style, there are guys who master it and drive you crazy with it.
you have to try it over a period of time against good sparring partners, i for one like it and use it when i feel it will work for me
the ribs are wide open and i love to punch them in the liver i know that much.
I've never heard the term before: could somebody tell me what the "Philly Shell" defense refers to?
The philly shell style greynotsoold is for and orthadox fighter back of right hand on left side of jaw and left hand low acros the stomach as if grabing right side of ribs.
Okay. Never heard the term before but I'm familiar with the concept. It is very effective against right hands of any and every sort, and the right hand should thus be freed up to block the left hook with the glove,and the hook to the body with the right forearm/elbow. And, of course, the left arm if the dfender is willing to leave himself with no hand to counter with. That used to be much more a universal defense than it is now. I never could figure out how in the world it became unfashionable to teach rolling with punches and using the shoulders.
Any pro boxer that uses this stance ?
id like to see some tapes
James Toney.
just watch good old james toney and you'll see a master of the style
If it works for you use it,I at first wasnt to keen on it,but over a period time have adapted bits of it.After spending some several months with one of the better expponents of it , and it certainly worked for him.Its a matter of progression.If you want to go forward its always interresting to look at the history of what youre trying to do.In fairness that style or parts of it have been about for years and years
They style was basically given the name by EA sports in Fight Night 3.
As i've never seen anyone do anythinn like that at all.
Sheps watch videos of henry armstrong
well the chin is covered on one side with the shoulder and the other with the handQuote:
Originally Posted by danmackay
nah that aint what they mean by that. you know, that move where one squares up and holds one arm over the body and the other arm in front the face so that the shoulder blocks the left hook to the head. i always knew that as the cross arm myself not sure about the other term.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
*note: i should probably warn anyone that reads this that a crazy man rant is shortly on the way here...
you know its funny you say that about the non squared up shoulder block style in your post. my personal take on why we dont see that anymore i think can be traced back to the introduction of the 15 round limit or as i like to say the start of the end. that spawned a new way to win in our sport: points. to think that boxers should now be able to win on points and not by the real way, the knockout way, is to me beyond foolish. in the old way a bout was never over until one man could not continue so one may have been beat to an inch of his life but even then there was no winner or loser until somebody was out. then suddenly you have bird brain panelists and a points system that took what the entire sport was based on and threw it out of a window then left it for dead. the sport had become entirely different and as a result the styles and ways that saw play in the pre 15 round era slowly lost use as the new points-win-boxers adapted to the 15 round system and displaced the old timers. you can even see boxers slow out of the old styles (like the shoulder block) over the years as clear as day. i think the first time we started to see more and more boxers squared up with both hands up on the temples was in i think the 50's or towards the end of the 40's at least. for such a weak style like this to even exist in numbers like it did truly marked the end of boxing as we knew it. you see a style like that would be fast weeded out had the boxers of that time not been such dolts. but as you can see this style soon took over completely and sunk the sport even further down the drain. so bad is this today that you wouldnt see a boxer of this era set up a punch if you let him have a 15 minute head start. the amateur ranks make me blue in the face and dont even mention the pro boxers to me. i ultimately blame the introduction of the 15 round points sytem. for this reason id be cold dead in the dirt before you ever see me score a round on tv -- i refuse. to sum up the demise of a sport i love so much has left a sour taste in my mouth and now i need a smoke. see you around people.