Now there's a good fight.
I think if Daniel Santos can beat Margarito then so can Hatton
Good match up though.
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Now there's a good fight.
I think if Daniel Santos can beat Margarito then so can Hatton
Good match up though.
I think Hatton can outwork Magarito, but Magarito is bigger so it would be a hard match
The Santos fight was @ 154,and Santos came to the ring@170 soooo that has no relevance.Margarito is tall,powerful and has a decent jab. Anyone that stands in front of him will get crushed and I love Hatton but he would stand no chance either. Whilst he's pounding to the body,Tony will be landing the bombs on his chin and no-one except maybe Kassim Ouma outworks Tony. He throws 100 plus power shots per round and comes into his own after round8,IF anyone lasts that long. The only person that can beat him at WW is Floyd. Margarito's size would be too much for Hatton too,what is it like a 5 inch advantage?
Firstly The Game i disagree, Tony does not destroy Hatton no way it could well be a very close fight and i think we all know this because when Ricky had his shortlist to fight at 147 there was no mention of Tony, that is because he is a schooled 147 welterweight, the height advantage will be about 4 1/2 inches, but when this fight is fought toe to toe i dont think that will have much relevence, i think Hatton would be favourite for this fight because of his sheer intensity, i would predict a small ud for Ricky.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
The Game you talk as if Margorito is some monster?? he is only 147 and couldnt put away a limited 154 lb man in Santos, you say Santos weighed 170 on fight night, but i have seen Santos fight Takaloo who is very limited and really if Takaloo would of actully done something in there fight a few years ago could of sneaked the win. By the way Takaloo is now fighting at 147.
Also people say Margorito deserves his shot i beg to differ, the guy has fought one World Champ in Santos and was beaton ( by the way Santos has to be one of the most limited World Champs i have seen )
Margorito has been fighting guys who have not even been competiong at 12 round bouts never mind World Class level, for me Hatton would beat Margorito, until Margorito fights at some sort of level we cant judge how good he is, he looks leathel against limited opponents but he hasn't mixed with anyone near as good as Hatton or Mayweather alot of people are getting carried away with him.
I would call a guy who is a 5 ft 11/6 ft guy who throws80-120 power punches a round a monster. Secondly,I wonder why when asked about Margarito in an interview,he went quiet(CutmeMick saw it) ::** Thirdly,you say who Tony has beaten but apart from Tszyu(a legend)who has Hatton beaten? Cintron,6 heads Lewis,Manuel Gomez,Martinez are all better than anyone on Hatton's cv apart from Tszyu and yes I include Maussa. You can only beat who was put in front of you,and that is what Margarito has done. Hatton would not be able to push Tony around like he did Tszyu,and if he wants to fight on the ropes,then Margarito will certainly win. You lookat his last 4 ko victorys,all on the ropes. Santos did not perform well like he did against Takaloo,for a number of reasons. Firstly,his career hinged on the Margarito fight,it was in his backyard and if he did not do well,he might as well have said bye bye to boxing and other reasons which I can't be bothered to state.
I don't think all the writers at ESPn,Ring,heck Teddy Riley Larry Merchant,Doug Fischer,even bloody Emmanuel Steward would respect Margarito if he was not good. Admittedly Floyd would cause him problems but Ricky is no Floyd,he's not going to dance around the ring is he? You look at what Margarito did to Cintron,a guy most predicted would KO Tony.!?
People say who has he faught apart from Tyzsu??
APART FROM TYZSU!!!
The guy is an all time great who Hatton battered, Tony hasnt fought anyone near the level of KT, Not even close, Tony needs to up his level of opponent, Hatton should get the first shot at Floyd not Tony, Hatton owns the Ring belt has beaton an all time legend, Tony has beat no one and his win against the guy who won last night was good but again who is he???
Tony is a decent fighter but you cant judge his performances against guys who were fighting 8 rounders less than a year before they met Tony, thats like judging Hatton in about 2001/2002 when he was KOing guys for fun, who were there to be taken out. Hatton has beat Maussa and now Collazo who both have done more than any of Tony's recent opponents apart from Santos who he was beaton by.
Hatton UD
Yeah but you miss the point. Hatton got a chance against Tszyu,Tony has not got his chance yet. Secondly,Maussa and Collazo may have done more but Cintron is more dangerous than both of them,so what if Maussa has a belt,the guy is awful.Manuel Gomez took a prime Mosley the distance and was unbeaten for like 9 years?! You'll be finding out who Kermit Cintron is soon,the guy a good future ahead of him and 1 punch KO power and just because you have not heard of him does not mean he is not good. Not everyone has heard of Pernell Whitaker,does that mean he is not good? ::**
To say Hatton deserves his chance against Floyd more than Tony would be valid @ 140 but@147,where Margarito has beeen unbeaten for 9 years and Hatton has yet to fight there,is silly.
And Hatton has not beat Collazo yet. Oh and Hatton is the one saying he does not want to fight Lil Floyd until he has some tune ups so Floyd should just wait rather than take $8mill and fight Tony?
Margarito made Frankie Randall quit. And as a boxing fan, you ought to know who Frankie Randall is. And this was about 6-10 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Hatton has told floyd he wants to fight him in the autumn.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
I am a Hatton fan too but even though the most ardant fan can see there have been mixed signals from his camp. One minute they need tune ups,the next,he's ready,the next something else,see what I mean.
Good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigMix27
Are you being serious about Randell??? He was done whaen he fought Tony he was coming in with a record like 2-4 out of his last six fights, you cant be serious, that's like saying Hattons victory over Olivera was credable!!!!! Come on that is absolute rubbish the guy was done when he fought Tony and i haven't checked on boxrec but will do i think lost about 80 % of his fights after Tony beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
True true but the principal point being,as a Hatton AND Margarito fan, I want to see my guys fight the best. And you as a Hatton fan must be accustomed to hearing who has he beat etc etc before Hatton beat Tszyu.Margarito's quality of opposition compared to Hatton's minus Tszyu is far favourable and I just want to see Tony given his chance against Floyd. I don't say he will beat Floyd,more he will show what he is capable of and show he is dangerous and get the much needed exposure.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Back to the original post,I still think Margarito would beat Hatton up. Too much power,too much size,too much volume.
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Originally Posted by The Game
Hatton's volume includes hustle and bustle,BUT he does NOT throw 100 plus power punches per round,I meant volume in that sense. Hatton has volume in intensity,aggression,diff.type to what I was referring too but hell yeah,this would be an awesome awesome fight.
The game it's ok talking about 100+ punches per round and all that but that's not that hard when you have a limtited fighter infront of you that's not throwing anything back.
Lets see him throw a hundred punches per round for 12 rounds when Hatton is infront of you landing rib crunching body shots and many other shots that NEVER stop coming.
Hatton can do it fot 15 rounds can Margarito ???
Yes,I believe he can. Emmanuel Steward took one of his young fighters to spar with Tony and said he was massively impressed by Margarito's conditioning as Tony was throwing power punches for 12 rounds twice over and for 1hr 30 mins in total,non stop. He said Margarito was trained to be pure aggresive,non stop power punching. So yeah, I think he could and what is Hatton going to do when Margarito starts throwing over his punches to Hatton's face and Tony works the body well too.(See round um 5 of the Santos fight)
And Lujan,Santos,Kyvelos were all throwing/trying to throw back. However it's hard when you hit the other guy with everything you have and he is still there throwing and throwing!
Yep. ;) Do people know that that really matters!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
Also, Santos is a bad clash of styles for Margarito. He cut his first fight with thim, causing a cancel in the fight. In the next fight, he got a nasty gash again.
Now, anytime you step in the ring with a guy who keeps accidentally cutting your head, you think twice at every time you throw a combination. Thankfully, Margarito still came on strong, even with the cut and the looming danger of clashing heads again. Unfortunately, the fight was stopped early. Even though I thought Margarito should have got the nod, on the decision.
Man...
Hatton Margarito is a very tough pick. BOTH have never met another fighter like, each other. NEVER!
It'd be a war, that's for sure! :army:
HBO would be very wise, to keep Hatton on track to fight Mayweather first. haha
Only a fight fans' dream for this fight to happen. You Hatton fans are in for a rude awakening, that's for sure too! Awesome fight, where I can actually see my fighter, Margarito, losing. But there are other questions that yet Hatton has to face from Margatio too. Grueling fight.
I disagree for once cue shock horror :o I just don't see what Hatton has on Tony. Come on bro,you seen what Margarito does to anyone on the ropes!Tony has the size,the leather etc. How would Hatton win?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyrokai
Margarito poses the biggest threat at 147 for any fighter. I'd love to see hatton fight margarito but only after he beats mayweather. By then he'll have had 2 fights to adjust to 147. After that I think Hatton vs Margarito would be perfect. The toughest test for either fighter and opinions split all across the globe over who will win. Not like Hatton vs Mayweather, where it's Brits vs The World.
CC.nice analysis. By the way,who sad clicked me? Have the decency and the cahoonas to say it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by yoitsdan
Speed, boxing ability are the 2 things where hatton has a clear advantage, that combined with a relentless body assault and workrate would be his chance, antonio was a power advantage, but sometimes he wings shots, he's not all that accurate, he is immensely powerful though. He'd definatly need to pick his punches against hatton or he'd definatly tire himself out. Hatton has a great chin as well, and is good at diffusing a shot that will hit him flush as to not letting its full effects take place. If margarito couldn't get him out after 4 then hatton would be a big favourtie as long as he didn't lose focus for a second, not because antonio would tire a lot, just hatton would not tire at all and antonio can't adapt. Tszyu was very strong too, and arguably just as dangerous and definatly a more accurate puncher at the weight, and he didn't land that shot everyone thought he would on hatton. If I'd have asked a hundred boxing fans 2 years ago who would have a better chance of beating hatton I'm pretty sure not a single person would say antonio. Just some food for thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
Not me my friend you know i love you really, the only danger i see for Hatton is the weight issue, lets see how he is at 147 it should not be much of a problem but in terms of talent,skill,workrate and anything else that Tony and Hatton bring to the table, i think Hatton is the favourite.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
If im correct Hatton only comes in at about 145/146 on fight night at 140, and he has said he makes 140 with ease, so that is a small concern against a fully experienced 147 man like Tony.
I heard hatton comes in 152-154 on fight night, no doubt kerry kayes will work it out for 147 no problem.
Margarito is coming into his peak though. I disagree strongly with your analysis though,Margarito comes on strong after round 6(Santos,Luaj etc) it's just his last few opponents have not been able to last that long. I agree 100% that he wings his shots but also,because he throws sooooo many,some come from the most unexpeted and weird angles,which you just don't see coming! and let us not forget,Hatton is not going to run like Floyd,he's going to be in front of Tony and if Tony is throwing 100 plus per round,Hatton's going to feel it,regardless of how good his defence is. Also,Hatton would be going to the body BUT he would be taking sooooo much whilst he's banging away and no-one can take Tony's punches for too long. Tszyu did not throw anywhere near as much leather as Margarito so he was easily stifled. In my opinion,no-one who stands in front of Margarito lasts,and like I said,no matter how good your chin is,you cannot take too many from Margarito.OH OH OH silly me,look,I like Hatton but with him in front of Tony,taking the pounding,he is going to get cut.How could I forget?! He's going to be abloody mess! Margarito,tko 11.Quote:
Originally Posted by yoitsdan
Hatton has more skill,Tony has the workrate with the leather imo. Bro,you know I loves you too. CC for having a good discussion though and you have good points too.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
CC 99 Skel mate!!!!
I have cc you to even it out ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
Like I said before he does that to poeple on the ropes that he can bully
Not even Kostya Tszyu could push Hatton back NOT ONCE
Margarito is bigger and stronger than Tszyu and CC back bro. ;)
CC 197!!!! gOOD ON YOU BRO!!! O0
p.s where has my boy Gyrokai gone?!! I'm all alone against you guys!!! Oh well,bring it on!!! ;D
Don't you think Margarito is a bit slow and flat footed though ???
i really think hattons speed is under rated
he used good foot work to get inside Tszyu's punching range from round one
I was only refering to power when I added the comparison to tszyu, hatton would not just stand there when attacks margarito's body, he'd be constantly moving laterally, I don't think margarito will land the big shot he needs, and I didn't say margarito would not have stamina, he only looks looks like he's coming on strong becuase the other fighter fades, thats what makes hatton looks he's coming on strong as well. Hatton does not need to bully to win. The performance that hatton would need to beat margariot would be similar to his performance against ben tackie. I'm not discounting that margarito is probably the favourite to win using conventional wisdom, but conventional wisdom soesn't seem to apply when your talking about ricky hatton.
::** thanks for the sadclick whoever dun it.
Margarito is slightly slow but hey,so too is Jose Luis Castillo and it never hurt him! I agree,Hatton comes across as speedy but he uses that speed to go head first into the opponent! When Santos tried to stifle Margarito's punches,it worked at the beginning of the bout but Tony adapted,pushing on to the ropes and just beating the heck out of him to the body.
Antonio had an off night against santos as well i feel. He's so much better at 147.
What fucker is sad clicking willy nilly >:mad >:mad
yoitsdan have a cool one on me!
Yoit'sdan,I cool clicked you!!! But you sad clicked me back?! Hey,I'm man enough to admit when I sad click someone and I did not sad click you!!!
Nope,if you look at Margarito's fight for example with Lujan,from rounds 6-10,his work rate increased from whatever it was to 100 plus punches per round,I recall the commentators stating it.
It was the styles too,they headbutted at least 7 times!!!1Quote:
Originally Posted by yoitsdan
It's some sad lameass loser who does not have the balls to admit he is doing it.Sorry for accusing you Dan :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by steady_E