Hopkins NEVER ducked Calzaghe, or anybody!

I'm really getting sick and tired of reading posts in here by Joe Calzaghe fans who swear up and down that Bernard Hopkins was ducking this guy.

First off, in America, Calzaghe JUST became a star by beating a young, rising American star. Hopkins is a money whore, more than anything. There was absolutely no money in a fight w/ Calzaghe. Furthermore, Hopkins is an HBO fighter, Calzaghe a Showtime fighter. Those are difficult fights to make. Plus, he was chasing Monzon's middleweight defenses record.

And in between he found time to fight a 40-0 Felix Trinidad, and Oscar Delahoya. So stop with the "Hopkins was ducking" crap, it doesnt make sense!

This guy's only guilty of being, as you put it, "a money whore". He'll fight his wife on PPV if they paid him enough.

I agree, you can't call it ducking!
Boxing is a business more than anything. Hopkins chose the best fights to make the most money and improve his career. If Calzaghe would have brought in the money you bet your ass he would have fought him, but at the time there was much better opportunities out there for him.
Look at the top quality opposition this man took out, please use a better word than 'duck'!

Thank you, Pantera. Have a CC for common sense.

Hopkins was the better fighter, if anything Joe ducked Hopkins....and Joe is one of my favourite fighters

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I'm really getting sick and tired of reading posts in here by Joe Calzaghe fans who swear up and down that Bernard Hopkins was ducking this guy.

First off, in America, Calzaghe JUST became a star by beating a young, rising American star. Hopkins is a money whore, more than anything. There was absolutely no money in a fight w/ Calzaghe. Furthermore, Hopkins is an HBO fighter, Calzaghe a Showtime fighter. Those are difficult fights to make. Plus, he was chasing Monzon's middleweight defenses record.

And in between he found time to fight a 40-0 Felix Trinidad, and Oscar Delahoya. So stop with the "Hopkins was ducking" crap, it doesnt make sense!

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You need to upgrade yourself – both RJJ and Hopkins avoided Calzaghe as the plague. Even Collins was avoided by RJJ and Hopkins would only play with small boys.

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Hopkins was the better fighter, if anything Joe ducked Hopkins....and Joe is one of my favourite fighters

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Calzaghe was chasing Hopkins in 2002/3/4 (somewhere around that time ;D) Hopkins agreed to a fight for 3million quid but then doubled his price and the fight obviously fell through, apparently.

If anyone thinks Hopkins had a chance in a rematch with Roy Jones or in a bout with Calzaghe, you're smoking some good shit. And yeah I'm sure Hopkins was a money whore, but that was his way of not fighting these people ;)

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Hopkins was the better fighter, if anything Joe ducked Hopkins....and Joe is one of my favourite fighters

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Calzaghe was chasing Hopkins in 2002/3/4 (somewhere around that time ;D) Hopkins agreed to a fight for 3million quid but then doubled his price and the fight obviously fell through, apparently.

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ahhh...ok, didnt realise that
cheers

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If anyone thinks Hopkins had a chance in a rematch with Roy Jones or in a bout with Calzaghe, you're smoking some good S***. And yeah I'm sure Hopkins was a money whore, but that was his way of not fighting these people ;)

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How many people on this forum have jobs? If someone else offered you more money, you'd take it and move companies.

So how is Hopkins more of a money whore than the rest of us?

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I'm really getting sick and tired of reading posts in here by Joe Calzaghe fans who swear up and down that Bernard Hopkins was ducking this guy.

First off, in America, Calzaghe JUST became a star by beating a young, rising American star. Hopkins is a money whore, more than anything. There was absolutely no money in a fight w/ Calzaghe. Furthermore, Hopkins is an HBO fighter, Calzaghe a Showtime fighter. Those are difficult fights to make. Plus, he was chasing Monzon's middleweight defenses record.

And in between he found time to fight a 40-0 Felix Trinidad, and Oscar Delahoya. So stop with the "Hopkins was ducking" crap, it doesnt make sense!

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Hopkins never ducked a fighter in his life...Before the Lacy fight Noone was singing the praises of Joe Calzaghe...He had a BS title and wont fight in the US...Hopkins is an all time great...The longest reigning middleweight champion ( I think??) with the most defences..Look at his resume...what did Calzaghe have to offer him??? I suppose Hopkins was supposed to travel to europe to fight him too...Use your head when you post not your heart...Hopkins would have taken Joe apart...And it would have done nothing for Bernards career...Joes most impressive win is over Jeff Lacy...Please tell me you have the common sense to know the diffrence between Lacy and Hopkins....Joe would have been just a W in the column for Bernard...Joe hasn't reached the status of guys like Trinidad or even Joppy to be given the respect of even saying Hopkins was ducking him....
Joe Calzagh is a guy who has held a title in the weakest division in boxing and wont fight out of europe...Nothing more nothing less

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I'm really getting sick and tired of reading posts in here by Joe Calzaghe fans who swear up and down that Bernard Hopkins was ducking this guy.

First off, in America, Calzaghe JUST became a star by beating a young, rising American star. Hopkins is a money whore, more than anything. There was absolutely no money in a fight w/ Calzaghe. Furthermore, Hopkins is an HBO fighter, Calzaghe a Showtime fighter. Those are difficult fights to make. Plus, he was chasing Monzon's middleweight defenses record.

And in between he found time to fight a 40-0 Felix Trinidad, and Oscar Delahoya. So stop with the "Hopkins was ducking" crap, it doesnt make sense!

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You need to upgrade yourself – both RJJ and Hopkins avoided Calzaghe as the plague. Even Collins was avoided by RJJ and Hopkins would only play with small boys.

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Steve Collins? Are you serious...that's like saying Holyfield and all the others ducked butterbean...Not feeling as if someone is worthy, doesn't mean they're ducking them...it's just that...I'm so tired of all these names being mentioned...Collins, eubank, benn, all of these guys would have been destroyed by RJJ...and JC hasn't left Europe and it would be stupid for Hop to have traveled over there....

Truth be told..Hopkins and JC both can credit RJJ for them dominating their divisions because Roy left MW and SMW...and if you think that JC would have beaten the SMW RJJ you have lost you're fwooking mind...

Eubank said himself that he didn't want to fight Roy Jones Jr. So who's ducking who ???

Aside from that..Collins who? OOOH the guy that was the Antonio Tarver of back then right ??? Yea I know about him ;)

Anyway, Hopkins never "ducked" a fighter in his life. A fighter needs to make a challenge to you before you duck anyone.

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Hopkins was the better fighter, if anything Joe ducked Hopkins....and Joe is one of my favourite fighters

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Calzaghe was chasing Hopkins in 2002/3/4 (somewhere around that time ;D) Hopkins agreed to a fight for 3million quid but then doubled his price and the fight obviously fell through, apparently.

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liar ;)

Calzaghe was chasing Sven Ottke back then and spoke of and apparently was making a fight to move up to Light heavyweight and fight Glen Johnson...but he pulled out of that fight because he "broke his hand" ;)

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If anyone thinks Hopkins had a chance in a rematch with Roy Jones or in a bout with Calzaghe, you're smoking some good S***. And yeah I'm sure Hopkins was a money whore, but that was his way of not fighting these people ;)

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How many people on this forum have jobs? If someone else offered you more money, you'd take it and move companies.

So how is Hopkins more of a money whore than the rest of us?

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Very well said... coolclick for you.

As fans we all want to see our fighters solidify a perfect legacy. We forget that they are men making a living. On top of that, alot of these guys aren't qualified to do much else should their boxing career end suddenly, which is always very possible. And on top of that, many of these men come from impoverished backgrounds and just want to make a lot of money, have a solid economic future with no worries, and perhaps get and keep their family out of the struggle they grew up in.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nightmare

I'm really getting sick and tired of reading posts in here by Joe Calzaghe fans who swear up and down that Bernard Hopkins was ducking this guy.

First off, in America, Calzaghe JUST became a star by beating a young, rising American star. Hopkins is a money whore, more than anything. There was absolutely no money in a fight w/ Calzaghe. Furthermore, Hopkins is an HBO fighter, Calzaghe a Showtime fighter. Those are difficult fights to make. Plus, he was chasing Monzon's middleweight defenses record.

And in between he found time to fight a 40-0 Felix Trinidad, and Oscar Delahoya. So stop with the "Hopkins was ducking" crap, it doesnt make sense!

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You need to upgrade yourself – both RJJ and Hopkins avoided Calzaghe as the plague. Even Collins was avoided by RJJ and Hopkins would only play with small boys.

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New Wind, unless Calzaghe was willing to move up to 175 and fight in America, Jones never ducked him. As far as Hopkins fighting the small boys, they were willing to move up and fight him here in America. Nuff said. Otherwise I like Calzaghe

Same thing can be said about Roy Jones Jr. ... he didn't want to fight out of the country, and he wanted to make as much money as he could... Nigel Benn wouldn't come, and Roy JOnes was the man to beat yet people wouldn't move into his weight class to fight him... who's fault is that.

I feel that he ducked Roy Jones, in a way.. Sure he didn't get as much money as he wanted, but I believe he had an option close to 40% of the purse, and RJJ was a WAY bigger draw back then.. He could have made alot of $$ anyways, although maybe about the same as he did to fight DLH, and that's where the business aspect comes in. Anywas Roy is one fight I think he may have avoided, but to say he ducked Calzaghe is ridiculous. calzaghe wasn't known anywhere but Wales, and wasn't willing to leave his backyard.. Besides that neither challenged the other and both had other fights to make..(Only Hopkins actually did make other fights, Calzaghe just did nothing for a few years and waited for someone to come to him eventually.)

if calzaghe wanted B-HOP he could have lost a few pounds and beatin a #1 contender to force B-HOP into a fight ;)

Of course B-Hop ducked. It's so obvious when you see the style he fights. Thats how he gets hit so little. DUCKING!!!

ha..................ha............................ (a 10 minute break).......ha :-\

Sorry Im just pissed cuz i missed the fight >:mad

its replaying at 10PM EST on HBO, it was COMPLETE DOMINATION so all you missed was the greatness that is big vladdy, you didnt miss a competitive battle

i dont have HBO
Ill have to download it or summin

First off, Salthebutcher, there's nothing "great" about Klitschko. When I see him beat a legit sized heavyweight then I will be impressed.

And for you folks who still believe Hopkins was somehow ducking Calzaghe, what dont you get about this? Hop was THE MAN at 160. Who says you have to move up in weight? His skills were maximized at 160, so thats where he fought. That doesnt mean he was ducking guys at 160. Thats just stupid.

I mean ducking guys at 168.

sam peter?
hes not a legitimate HW?

after don king backs down from a rahman fight (king promotes rahman, doesnt he?) and he KOs brock will you still doubt his greatness?

Cant argue with Sam Peter. You get a cc for that.

P.S. BARRY BONDS FINALLY HOMERED!!!!!!!!

wait...

you mean the first time all year?

if so he should be struck from the record books >:mad

Hopkins didnt duck Calzaghe. Calzaghe just wasnt a big enough shot when Bernard was sharp.

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wait...

you mean the first time all year?

if so he should be struck from the record books >:mad

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I'm not sure how to read your post but Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, none of em should be in the record books.

i agree ;)

but its not proven that mcgwire actually cheated, is it?
he DID take substances that are banned now but i dont think they were officially banned when he did,

sosa got caught corking his bat like a moron...

and pete rose is the only one of these 4 that has to suffer >:mad >:mad >:mad

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but its not proven that mcgwire actually cheated, is it?
he DID take substances that are banned now but i dont think they were officially banned when he did,

sosa got caught corking his bat like a moron...

and pete rose is the only one of these 4 that has to suffer >:mad >:mad >:mad

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anyone read the book "juiced"? poor ole mac crying before congress? hahahahahahahah. mac, sosa, and most of all bonds will be looked upon as cheaters in the end. baseball is a joke. f-ing speed is still legal in baseball, what a (bad)joke.

When Pete Rose comes up. The response is, every player bet on baseball, he was just the only one who got caught.

didnt he get caught betting on some other sport, or was that his claim, that he really bet on hockey or something?

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Hopkins was the better fighter, if anything Joe ducked Hopkins....and Joe is one of my favourite fighters

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Calzaghe was chasing Hopkins in 2002/3/4 (somewhere around that time ;D) Hopkins agreed to a fight for 3million quid but then doubled his price and the fight obviously fell through, apparently.

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liar ;)

Calzaghe was chasing Sven Ottke back then and spoke of and apparently was making a fight to move up to Light heavyweight and fight Glen Johnson...but he pulled out of that fight because he "broke his hand" ;)

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Here you are Starr, it took me seconds to find this, wheres the liar ;)


By Guardian Newspapers, 7/3/2003
Hopkins' promoter Don King and Calzaghe's backer Frank Warren reached agreement for a fight last year, and the US television station Showtime was prepared to underwrite the event. But after a $3m (£1.8m) payday had been agreed, the fight fell through when Hopkins doubled his purse demands.

Joe Calzaghe, the World Boxing Organisation super-middleweight champion, is prepared to travel to the United States to face the world's No1 middleweight Bernard Hopkins in what is seen as a career-defining fight for the undefeated Welshman

"This is the fight I have wanted above all others for the last few years," he said, "and it is the one the boxing world wants."

"I have no problems taking the fight on his territory," said the 31-year-old Calzaghe. "My message to him is: 'You want it, you got it.' He can have it anywhere and any time."

Calzaghe underlined his determination to get the fight, laying down a challenge to Hopkins. "Don't find an excuse to let our fight slip away," he said. "I have taken up your challenge to face you in America, so honour your words."
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/s...991029,00.html


Calzaghe Knocked Back By Hopkins

July 22: Bernard Hopkins has again rejected the offer of a multi-million-dollar fight against the undefeated WBO super-middleweight champion Joe Calzaghe.

By Guardian Newspapers, 7/21/2003
Bernard Hopkins has again rejected the offer of a multi-million-dollar fight against the undefeated World Boxing Organisation super-middleweight champion Joe Calzaghe, and says he will next face his fellow American William Joppy instead.

Calzaghe, 31, had hoped for what he regards as a career-defining contest against Hopkins, the world's No1 middleweight, after his recent spectacular two-round victory over Byron Mitchell. But Hopkins has made it clear he will pursue Joppy, an easier option, though a date for the fight has not yet been announced.

More worryingly for Calzaghe and his promoter Frank Warren, Hopkins has indicated he might be prepared to travel to Germany in December for a showdown with Calzaghe's super-middleweight rival, the International Boxing Federation and World Boxing Association champion Sven Ottke.

Warren has spoken repeatedly of his desire to stage Calzaghe-Hopkins at Cardiff's Millennium Stadium and believed he had a deal for the fight last year before Hopkins priced himself out of the contest by doubling his demands.

Nevertheless Warren has been in more discussions with Hopkins's promoter Don King and says he remains optimistic the 38-year-old American will face Calzaghe after he picks up his expected victory against Joppy. But King has also spoken with Ottke's promoter Wilfred Sauerland and it seems more than likely Hopkins regards Ottke as a softer, well-paid option than the intimidating Welshman.
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/s...003211,00.html