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Dont be knockin that site saddo ;D Kessler is tough and he is pretty skilled. Let me put it this way....hes probably got more power then lacy...and hes can box ver well. Calzaghe WILL have trouble with him, this will be no walk over like he did to lacy, kessler aint an easy fight for anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
Agreed Snake - Calzaghe will have his hands full here I think. Kessler is very conservative with his style, he's not as hittable as Lacy. Add the fact that he's a FUCKING HUGE super middleweight and I think I might have some bucks on the upset.
Would love to see that fight, but they didn't even televise Calzaghe/Lacy here, so I doubt we'll get this one...
This is B-E-A-Utiful news to the Wack!!!
Apparently Kess got wind of the match up with Manfredo & has seen the light of day.
I do believe that it will be his downfall though...
In the beginning I wanted this fight...but now...honestly, I wish that Calzaghe had just passed on up to 175 & let Kessler clean up the mess at 168.
Calzaghe by a hard fought 12 round SD.
This will be a hard fight for Joe, but he'll win.
I think if this fight definately happens than i might just pick Kessler, ive seen around 7 or 8 fights of his and this guy isnt over hyped like lacy!
Calzaghe wants nothing of Kessler. He has turned down Kessler before and he will this time again I am sure. Kessler is almost impossible to beat on points and Calzaghe does not have the punch to take out Kessler.
He may no be impossible in Joes home country tho, and i say joe would be pretty hard to take 12 rounds and win on points?
If JC performs as he did aginst Lacy,I'm sorry but no-one can keep up with him. How many punches did he throw? We all know Calzaghe has a chin too,whereas Kessler's in untested. Either way,this fight HAS to be made and having seen Kessler in action,I must say,it will be tough for Joe but I mean,it's a big jump in competition for Kessler. How is is chin?Stamina?
Kessler's chin is good... His stamina as well is fine, although he had some issues with it for one fight against Mundine, I dont think he got in the proper roadwork and training for that fight, and still won handily. Also JC was able to perform like that against Lacy because of his style, it's not like noone could ever beat him if he performs like that as you say... Lacy just kept coming forward the whole night throwing wild punches that were clear as day and easy to counter.. Kessler would definetly not do that, especially after being ringside for the fight. I think he has a good chance, and would certainly make for a hell of a test for Joe, if he boxes from the outside as much as possible. Kessler is really strong with a long reach and good, mechanical jab, plus he has a great straight right hand as well, which Lacy apparently hadn't even heard of when he fought JOe. hopefully this happens, great matchup.
Good matchup - Calzaghe is the more skilled, more experienced guy. Kessler is BIG, really BIG, and has a difficult style.
Joe just might end up hurting his hands on this guy and struggling, but a fit Calzaghe is my pick to win this one on points.
Yeah but has Kessler ever faced someone that can throw 5,6,7, hits and then not be there anymore. Aren't most of the guys he has fought stationary targets? Kessler looks big strong powerful but he also looks mechanical,slightly slow too,from what I have seen of him anyway!
Yes he is a bit mechanical your right, but that's not neccesarily a bad thing, maybe for entertainment value but he's effective. Also he fought Mundine who is very fast, fast hands, a mover, lots of talent.. Though Mundines no Calzaghe, certainly not a stationary target either.. I also think one of Calzaghes few flaws is just as you say, he will thow like 6 or 7 punch combos when, IMO, he would be better off throwing 3 or 4 punch combos and really putting his all into them.. They way he throws combos it seems like each punch loses alot of power, and there is a slight window of oppourtunity for his opponent to land a big shot, like Byron Mitchell did.
Joe by decision.
He is still hungry and he is very fit, I only wonder about his shonky mit. He needs all his bits too be in tip top shape for a tough nut like Kessler.
I would route for Joe this time, but I dunno Mikkel Kessler beat Eric Lucas pretty badly, and Eric said he was the hardest opponent he's had except Roy Jones Jr., and Eric Lucas also beat Omar Sheika pretty one sidedly. I wouldn't say that Mikkel hits harder than Lacy by any means, but he gets cleaner shots off and does more damage thusly.
I entertained the idea that Calzaghe was throwing too many punches in his combinations in his punches as well after the Lacy fight, and that he would be better off throwing shots more like Mayweather who throws three or four as hard as he can then get out of there, but it wasn't recieved well at the time because everybody thought I was persecuting their beloved Calzaghe.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Maybe he thinks it is better to throw 5-8 rather than 3 with lots of power because it might damage his brittle hands more?
wouldn't fightnews be covering this if it were true?
I would like to see him fight Kessler but I wouldn't hold my breath.
I agree with this, I think he does it on purpose as his hands are so brittleQuote:
Originally Posted by The Game
From what I have seen of Kessler, if the Dane fought the Calzaghe who beat Lacy, you would IMO, get a re-run of Calzaghe/VeitII (competitiveness wise).
I do not think Kessler is the real deal, and in due course, I think, people will use hindsight and realise, that Lacy was still the second best fighter in the division (today). Because A: Calzaghe is that good, and B) The division is that poor ;)
But for the moment Kessler is the #1 contender, and I guess until the fight happens, I only have a theory. Let us hope Calzaghe/Kessler happens... I do not think it will though.
Why don't you believe Kessler is the real deal Mr. BritKid sir? ;D
He lacks the quality on his record: Thobela was arguable 9 years and 33lbs past his best, comming off two defeats. Green was 6 years and two bad stoppages past his best. Siaca had already lost to Byron Mitchell, some four years earlier. Mudine is an honest bloke, but getting STOPPED!!! by Sven Ottke, and losing to the above mentioned Siaca, does not bode well. And Lucas is a superb charachter, but he too, has long seen better days.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
I think Kessler has superb matchmakers, and they have made the most of what he has got, but I think Kessler is being built up like Gary Mason was, for a big pay day, and a big fall.
Easiest way of looking at the situation with Kessler is that he's got power, he's fun to watch, he can box...but he don't hold a candle to Joe.
If Joe were to bail on 168 Kess would have a massive chance of becoming the divisions figure head...as would have Lacy...but Calzaghe is just leaps above them both.
What do you think of his style though? I mean he is bog strong,powerful,great straight right,stiff jab,ingredients to beat JC?
Probably not.. I think he is a bit slow, and may tire later on, so he couldn't ultimetly beat him, imo. If he can keep up with Calzaghes pace and really work his jab, it could be a really good fight and I think it is certainly the toughest challenge for JOe.. But Kesslers jab and 1-2 is the only thing I could see him landing regularly because like I say, he's not fast.. But the advantage in reach and boxing skill would certainly allow him to be more competitive, at the very least. Really he's just built like Lacy, a bit taller, longer, with a jab.. So I don't see how he wouldn't do better than Jeff did.. But ultimately, I dont think he can do it.
With your statements about Kessler, I guess that you have not watched many of his fights. When you win a EU championship against all those eastern boxers you are far from being hot air like e.g. Lacy was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
By the way, Siaca is extremely underrated. He had two very very close fights against a prime Mitchell and another very close fight against WBA-champ Bruno Girad, who was stripped the title as he refused to meet Siaca in a rematch. Siaca is ranked as no. 6 in SMW by the Ring.
Kessler has had nobody to fight ... He is a great fighter ... just watch his fights... Unlike Lacy he isn't just too strong for his opponents in the end. He actually beats them from begining to end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
I've never seen kessler fight so can't comment on how he'd do. but I appreciate the guys balls to come straight in and challenge calzaghe, when he could so easily have let joe go up to light heavy and clean up super middle himself.
Calzaghe should definitely take this fight, I'd love to see it.
Again...anyone who has not seen Kessler...you should make an effort.
That being said...Calzaghe will figure Kess out fairly easily IWO.
Whether or not he can capitalize on Kessler's short comings is another story.
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Originally Posted by p4pking
Here's my opinions on why Kess can't win...
When Kess throws his left jab he often lunges with it. He drops his right hand down just below his chest & leaves himself wide assed open. He also has a bad habit of leaving himself open while backing up.
Someone like Calzaghe can easily work that out.
The main asset that Kess has is the fact that he does have a good chin, he can power through assaults, & he uses those long as arms of his to cover up his ribs.
The thing about Kessler Calzaghe that worries me is the fact that Kessler has fought no one that remotely compares to Joe. The output/pace of the Calzaghe from the Lacy fight would be unbearable...as would the output of the Calzaghe from the Mitchell fight...I just don't believe that Kess can handle that pace.
The reasons that I think Kessler could win...well...the reasons that I think that he'd lose far out wiegh the reasons that I think he could win.
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Originally Posted by Rahman
Even though Joe is the top dog at Super Middleweight...
if Danny Green some how manages to KO Mundine then style wise the fight I want to see most at SMW isDanny Green v Mikkel Kessler. What a great matchup!!
Yeah the winner of Mundine Green is scheduled to fight Kessler next!
Very true...I'd rather Kess take this than Calzaghe.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
He's already beaten Mundine & I think that he'd take Green out too.
I'm predicting this thing doesn't happen.
If my 1st prediction is wrong, my 2nd is that Calzaghe boxes his ears off.
I really hope it happens, just pessimistic.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
From what i understand from the article, it's still just Kessler who's expressed his wishes to fight Calzaghe (AGAIN!!!). Calzaghe still hasn't really aknowledged Kessler's excistence has he?
IF Calzaghe/Warren has actually mentioned Kessler - It COULD just be part of Warrens infamous negotiation technique. They SAY that Jones is out of the pic. But maybe they're just using Kessler's name to apply pressure - to make Jones lower his demands.
Both Lacy and Calzaghe used Kessler this way when their fight was being negotiated - and in the end neither had any real interest in Kessler.
Jones or no Jones. Doubt they'll go for Kessler. Regardless of boxing skills Manfredo can deliver what Calzaghe wants (big US exposure, low risk) - Kessler can't.
100% agreed wacko it will be tough fight for joe but he will pull decision winQuote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
I'd be a bit surprised if it happened too, not shocked, but surprised
I've only seen Kessler twice, my guess from seeing him fight is that Calzaghe's a bit too quick for him but I don't think he'd blow him out