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Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
Interesting interview with a doctor and Minnesota state senator, especially considering that some sources are reporting that, during March, deaths from heart disease, stroke, pneumonia all fell far below their average numbers.
https://www.valleynewslive.com/conte...Q-a8-V0kbE_eKA
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I've been seeing a lot of people basically cheering for the virus so as to end Trump. It's quite sickening.
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I agree that on the surface listening to the Dr/Senator it seems that he has some legitimate concerns about being asked to do something he thinks is ethically wrong, and could distort the facts. Then though toward the end of the interview when he expresses the worry that not cutting the grass and hedgerows etc might be dangerous for hay fever and Asthma sufferers, I started to question how seriously to take him. Call it instinct, a hunch, whatever. So...and this is just 5 minutes research I thought I would try and see if what he is claiming was true. Not really.
Firstly their are numerous instances on his own social media feed of him quoting already disproved conspiracy theory sources, second and third hand. Then the death certificate he posts as evidence
https://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfo...tid=5248&stc=1
Now I don't know about the US but in the UK, 'contributing factors' are common place on Death Certificates and that is exactly what they are listed as here. The cause is listed as 'Acute respiratory illness' and Covid-19 listed as a probable contributing factor which seems entirely reasonable given the facts mentioned on the rest of the certificate.
It is a dangerous line for him to pedal as a justification to get people back to work. People's lives are more important than the economy and that seems to be a hard pill for many to swallow.
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Feds classifying all coronavirus patient deaths as ‘COVID-19’ deaths, regardless of cause
https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/feds-c...vid-19-deaths/
"If someone dies with COVID19 we are counting that" - Dr. Birx
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saw these earlier, they wouldn't be making bullshit up would they? just stay in your homes & believe what the tv tells you
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i'm just going to leave this here....
N.Y.C. Death Toll Soars Past 10,000 in Revised Virus Count
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/n...imes&smtyp=cur
Breaking News: New York City’s coronavirus death toll soared past 10,000 after officials added more than 3,700 people who had never tested positive for the virus but were presumed to have died of it.
Seems legit to me :rolleyes:
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yeh there are loads of videos & stories of peoples loved ones dying of something else & the death trying to be recorded as from covid-19, take them as you want, but there seems a real push to increase the virus death numbers
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yeh there are loads of videos & stories of peoples loved ones dying of something else & the death trying to be recorded as from covid-19, take them as you want, but there seems a real push to increase the virus death numbers
Amazing Polly has an interesting video on a hospital potentially faking things. That is the confusion. Something is clearly wrong, but then there are the agendas to try and work out too and it gets complicated. Ron Paul also came out with an interesting take on things recently.
Why would you add people who have not tested positive to a death toll? Most likely money involved, but again it gives fuel to the fire to those who say there is disinfo and people are not being honest. It is everywhere from government, to the WHO, to hospitals, to medical experts, pandemic experts. It is a messy blur and people just want to work out what it really is.
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yeh there are loads of videos & stories of peoples loved ones dying of something else & the death trying to be recorded as from covid-19, take them as you want, but there seems a real push to increase the virus death numbers
Amazing Polly has an interesting video on a hospital potentially faking things. That is the confusion. Something is clearly wrong, but then there are the agendas to try and work out too and it gets complicated. Ron Paul also came out with an interesting take on things recently.
Why would you add people who have not tested positive to a death toll? Most likely money involved, but again it gives fuel to the fire to those who say there is disinfo and people are not being honest. It is everywhere from government, to the WHO, to hospitals, to medical experts, pandemic experts. It is a messy blur and people just want to work out what it really is.
i posted about the money incentives, about thirteen thousand if a patient is admitted due to covid-19, raised to forty thousand if required to go on a ventilator
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here's some fake news
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...groceries.html
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVn0GjlU...g&name=900x900
picture from the article states "Brummert in hospital after she suffered from a fever, a cough, loss of smell, fatigue, headaches and breathing difficulties"
but wait lets have a look at this video at fifty six seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8vnCzo_t5Q
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVnyXN6U...jpg&name=small
whats the date that video was uploaded? first of september 2019, huh, no surprise she's linked to the fda
you're welcome
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yeh there are loads of videos & stories of peoples loved ones dying of something else & the death trying to be recorded as from covid-19, take them as you want, but there seems a real push to increase the virus death numbers
Amazing Polly has an interesting video on a hospital potentially faking things. That is the confusion. Something is clearly wrong, but then there are the agendas to try and work out too and it gets complicated. Ron Paul also came out with an interesting take on things recently.
Why would you add people who have not tested positive to a death toll? Most likely money involved, but again it gives fuel to the fire to those who say there is disinfo and people are not being honest. It is everywhere from government, to the WHO, to hospitals, to medical experts, pandemic experts. It is a messy blur and people just want to work out what it really is.
i posted about the money incentives, about thirteen thousand if a patient is admitted due to covid-19, raised to forty thousand if required to go on a ventilator
It is strange and I do not know what to make of it all. In the UK where is the financial reason to fill the beds with sick people? I don't have the answers and so people sometimes think I am looking to cause trouble, but I just want to understand. Of course I don't want to see people sick or dying, but I just think there are a lot of people sick and dying and there is nothing I can do about it beyond urging people to check their bodies and stay on top of things the best they can.
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Interesting article on the 7 states that had no statewide program. Some handled it on a county by county or city by city basis, some issued recommendations.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stay-at...orders-states/
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Many years ago my father insisted that I read a book called How To Lie With Statistics. This video is along those lines.
https://youtu.be/5_CovnEdZEE
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There are 4 states, out of 50, that have more coronavirus deaths than flu deaths (in 2018). Those states are New York, New Jersey, Michigan, and Louisiana.
The projected overall death toll has changed from millions to well under 60,000. Thank God for the leadership of Donald Trump right? That is incredible good news, is it not?
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This article cuts to the heart of the matter, the real objective. It focuses on the motivation, in California, for keeping the state on lockdown.
Fun fact. This year, in the US, the regular flu has killed more people than the covid virus, and they stopped counting flu deaths 3 weeks ago. Probably called the covid deaths.
https://californiaglobe.com/section-...6zt__LWdFHQiBg
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https://www.who.int/classifications/icd/covid19/en/
An emergency ICD-10 code of ‘U07.2 COVID-19, virus not identified’ is assigned to a clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 where laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available.
Both U07.1 and U07.2 may be used for mortality coding as cause of death
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the governors and President cares only about money/dollars the almighty DOLLAR, let them all go in to the movie theaters and rstaurants today and see ya in 21 days, bunch of let them eat cake money-hungry elitest. Yeah, ok its all fake, so let them go into the buffets, malls, bars, we're all waiting, bunch of geniuses.
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the governors and President cares only about money/dollars the almighty DOLLAR, let them all go in to the movie theaters and rstaurants today and see ya in 21 days, bunch of let them eat cake money-hungry elitest. Yeah, ok its all fake, so let them go into the buffets, malls, bars, we're all waiting, bunch of geniuses.
That is gibberish.
Do you think that the owners of small businesses forced to shut down have any say in the matter?
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the governors and President cares only about money/dollars the almighty DOLLAR, let them all go in to the movie theaters and rstaurants today and see ya in 21 days, bunch of let them eat cake money-hungry elitest. Yeah, ok its all fake, so let them go into the buffets, malls, bars, we're all waiting, bunch of geniuses.
That is gibberish.
Do you think that the owners of small businesses forced to shut down have any say in the matter?
if say inthe matter equals to free speech, then yes they have a say. But you're comment has little to do with what I wrote about opening too early and getting hit hardest by farther waves of the virus or even if it is proved to be a biological weapon , it is too early to open up back.
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the governors and President cares only about money/dollars the almighty DOLLAR, let them all go in to the movie theaters and rstaurants today and see ya in 21 days, bunch of let them eat cake money-hungry elitest. Yeah, ok its all fake, so let them go into the buffets, malls, bars, we're all waiting, bunch of geniuses.
That is gibberish.
Do you think that the owners of small businesses forced to shut down have any say in the matter?
if say inthe matter equals to free speech, then yes they have a say. But you're comment has little to do with what I wrote about opening too early and getting hit hardest by farther waves of the virus or even if it is proved to be a biological weapon , it is too early to open up back.
you don't care about what lockdowns are doing to peoples lives. it will cause more damage than the fake virus
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NoSavingByTheBell
the governors and President cares only about money/dollars the almighty DOLLAR, let them all go in to the movie theaters and rstaurants today and see ya in 21 days, bunch of let them eat cake money-hungry elitest. Yeah, ok its all fake, so let them go into the buffets, malls, bars, we're all waiting, bunch of geniuses.
That is gibberish.
Do you think that the owners of small businesses forced to shut down have any say in the matter?
if say inthe matter equals to free speech, then yes they have a say. But you're comment has little to do with what I wrote about opening too early and getting hit hardest by farther waves of the virus or even if it is proved to be a biological weapon , it is too early to open up back.
you don't care about what lockdowns are doing to peoples lives. it will cause more damage than the fake virus
That's the thing too. He does not need to go to the restaurant, bar, or even the park. He is well within his rights to stay at home if he genuinely fears for his health.
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NoSavingByTheBell
the governors and President cares only about money/dollars the almighty DOLLAR, let them all go in to the movie theaters and rstaurants today and see ya in 21 days, bunch of let them eat cake money-hungry elitest. Yeah, ok its all fake, so let them go into the buffets, malls, bars, we're all waiting, bunch of geniuses.
That is gibberish.
Do you think that the owners of small businesses forced to shut down have any say in the matter?
if say inthe matter equals to free speech, then yes they have a say. But you're comment has little to do with what I wrote about opening too early and getting hit hardest by farther waves of the virus or even if it is proved to be a biological weapon , it is too early to open up back.
you don't care about what lockdowns are doing to peoples lives. it will cause more damage than the fake virus
How will you know if I don't care or not? I think every one spoke to does care. That is presumptousness on your part. If you chose to believe it is fake so be it.
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I think trump is letting things happen as they should. Let each state make its own decision. That is the constitutional way to go about it. My state is still in lockdown and things aren’t going to start to loosen up until at least may 20th. Our governor made a law that we must use face masks in public and in shopping stores. I explained to the gas station down the street it isn’t a law as it didn’t come from the legislature. Since he owns the business he has the right to not allow unmasked customers in his store but the law the governor announced is not legit. Funny to see the power they grab. He must know it’s bullshit but I think they want everyone wearing a mask to keep the fear factor up so these actions aren’t questioned.
I work in a medical unit so yes I have to wear a mask at work, I’m not in denial about this thing but I look at these “laws” being passed and don’t know why they aren’t questioned a bit more. Even if the laws did come from the legislature there are constitutional issues with freedom of assembly along with a few others. If people choose to wear masks I have no problem with that. Certain areas or for certain people it’s probably prudent.
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NoSavingByTheBell
the governors and President cares only about money/dollars the almighty DOLLAR, let them all go in to the movie theaters and rstaurants today and see ya in 21 days, bunch of let them eat cake money-hungry elitest. Yeah, ok its all fake, so let them go into the buffets, malls, bars, we're all waiting, bunch of geniuses.
That is gibberish.
Do you think that the owners of small businesses forced to shut down have any say in the matter?
if say inthe matter equals to free speech, then yes they have a say. But you're comment has little to do with what I wrote about opening too early and getting hit hardest by farther waves of the virus or even if it is proved to be a biological weapon , it is too early to open up back.
you don't care about what lockdowns are doing to peoples lives. it will cause more damage than the fake virus
How will you know if I don't care or not? I think every one spoke to does care. That is presumptousness on your part. If you chose to believe it is fake so be it.
because you say it is too early to open back up. what if opening back up is the only way to put food on these peoples tables or pay bills? what about their lives? their rights don't end where your fear begins. i'd be happy if you could prove covid 19 is real & is the cause of these deaths
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NoSavingByTheBell
the governors and President cares only about money/dollars the almighty DOLLAR, let them all go in to the movie theaters and rstaurants today and see ya in 21 days, bunch of let them eat cake money-hungry elitest. Yeah, ok its all fake, so let them go into the buffets, malls, bars, we're all waiting, bunch of geniuses.
That is gibberish.
Do you think that the owners of small businesses forced to shut down have any say in the matter?
if say inthe matter equals to free speech, then yes they have a say. But you're comment has little to do with what I wrote about opening too early and getting hit hardest by farther waves of the virus or even if it is proved to be a biological weapon , it is too early to open up back.
you don't care about what lockdowns are doing to peoples lives. it will cause more damage than the fake virus
How will you know if I don't care or not? I think every one spoke to does care. That is presumptousness on your part. If you chose to believe it is fake so be it.
because you say it is too early to open back up. what if opening back up is the only way to put food on these peoples tables or pay bills? what about their lives? their rights don't end where your fear begins. i'd be happy if you could prove covid 19 is real & is the cause of these deaths
It’s bad we have people with mental health issues that need a roof over their head, we have room but are not currently allowed (by the governor) until they have been isolated for two weeks prior. This sounds a bit backwards, don’t we have tests for this shit. Substance abuse is up, anxiety is up, suicide rates are up because of this lockdown. So I wheeled and dealt and secured a few single rooms at a church near our place to either quarantine people before we take them in or use for our existing residents if they get the wuhan. Now I’m hearing we may just keep it on pause since the governor will announce the next steps on 20 May. Doesn’t sound bad unless you are the mentally ill guy living on the streets waiting for help. Piss poor planning imo we have open beds we can’t use. And getting those rooms wasn’t my idea the head honchos came up with it and sent me to see what I could come up with. Anyway you see how much of a cluster fuck it is when your dealing with the red tape. They even hired temp workers in case any of us regular staff come down with wuhan. Nobody has become sick so we have two temp workers begging for hours. Shit I forget why I brought this all up. Just deal with it we will be ok
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greynotsoold
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NoSavingByTheBell
the governors and President cares only about money/dollars the almighty DOLLAR, let them all go in to the movie theaters and rstaurants today and see ya in 21 days, bunch of let them eat cake money-hungry elitest. Yeah, ok its all fake, so let them go into the buffets, malls, bars, we're all waiting, bunch of geniuses.
That is gibberish.
Do you think that the owners of small businesses forced to shut down have any say in the matter?
if say inthe matter equals to free speech, then yes they have a say. But you're comment has little to do with what I wrote about opening too early and getting hit hardest by farther waves of the virus or even if it is proved to be a biological weapon , it is too early to open up back.
The movement to reopen businesses is anything but an elitist, money making movement.
Who is more of an elitist than Jeff Bezos? Amazon has flourished through all of this.
Who is more elitist than the Walton family? Business is booming at Walmart. They were allowed to remain open.
So was Home Depot, Lowes, and so were all the major grocery chains. Business is booming for them, too.
The people getting wrecked are the people that own barber shops, restaurants, and small businesses. And the people that pour drinks, wait tables, cut hair and do nails, and the people that play music.
You can still stay home if that's what you want to do, if you are the kind of person that has never been in a real boxing gym or never had good tacos because you are afraid of bad neighborhoods. God bless you. But the idea that you should have any say about how others choose to function is profoundly arrogant.
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NoSavingByTheBell
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greynotsoold
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NoSavingByTheBell
the governors and President cares only about money/dollars the almighty DOLLAR, let them all go in to the movie theaters and rstaurants today and see ya in 21 days, bunch of let them eat cake money-hungry elitest. Yeah, ok its all fake, so let them go into the buffets, malls, bars, we're all waiting, bunch of geniuses.
That is gibberish.
Do you think that the owners of small businesses forced to shut down have any say in the matter?
if say inthe matter equals to free speech, then yes they have a say. But you're comment has little to do with what I wrote about opening too early and getting hit hardest by farther waves of the virus or even if it is proved to be a biological weapon , it is too early to open up back.
The movement to reopen businesses is anything but an elitist, money making movement.
Who is more of an elitist than Jeff Bezos? Amazon has flourished through all of this.
Who is more elitist than the Walton family? Business is booming at Walmart. They were allowed to remain open.
So was Home Depot, Lowes, and so were all the major grocery chains. Business is booming for them, too.
The people getting wrecked are the people that own barber shops, restaurants, and small businesses. And the people that pour drinks, wait tables, cut hair and do nails, and the people that play music.
You can still stay home if that's what you want to do, if you are the kind of person that has never been in a real boxing gym or never had good tacos because you are afraid of bad neighborhoods. God bless you. But the idea that you should have any say about how others choose to function is profoundly arrogant.
@greynotsoold ...... hope you don't mind the @mention, but it's my only way to make sure my question is directed only at you. I say that because I know you don't believe the COVID-19 crisis is one big hoax.
Question: How do you feel about the opening of businesses, BUT....... with enforceable social distancing measures? Meaning requiring facemasks to enter businesses (patrons AND employees)..... maintaining 6-ft distances in lines, waiting rooms, restaurant tables, etc...... providing hand sanitizer for all in attendance...... and so on and so forth. Doesn't this seem like a reasonable compromise for the time being?
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NoSavingByTheBell
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greynotsoold
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NoSavingByTheBell
the governors and President cares only about money/dollars the almighty DOLLAR, let them all go in to the movie theaters and rstaurants today and see ya in 21 days, bunch of let them eat cake money-hungry elitest. Yeah, ok its all fake, so let them go into the buffets, malls, bars, we're all waiting, bunch of geniuses.
That is gibberish.
Do you think that the owners of small businesses forced to shut down have any say in the matter?
if say inthe matter equals to free speech, then yes they have a say. But you're comment has little to do with what I wrote about opening too early and getting hit hardest by farther waves of the virus or even if it is proved to be a biological weapon , it is too early to open up back.
The movement to reopen businesses is anything but an elitist, money making movement.
Who is more of an elitist than Jeff Bezos? Amazon has flourished through all of this.
Who is more elitist than the Walton family? Business is booming at Walmart. They were allowed to remain open.
So was Home Depot, Lowes, and so were all the major grocery chains. Business is booming for them, too.
The people getting wrecked are the people that own barber shops, restaurants, and small businesses. And the people that pour drinks, wait tables, cut hair and do nails, and the people that play music.
You can still stay home if that's what you want to do, if you are the kind of person that has never been in a real boxing gym or never had good tacos because you are afraid of bad neighborhoods. God bless you. But the idea that you should have any say about how others choose to function is profoundly arrogant.
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greynotsoold ...... hope you don't mind the @mention, but it's my only way to make sure my question is directed only at you. I say that because I know you don't believe the COVID-19 crisis is one big hoax.
Question: How do you feel about the opening of businesses, BUT....... with enforceable social distancing measures? Meaning requiring facemasks to enter businesses (patrons AND employees)..... maintaining 6-ft distances in lines, waiting rooms, restaurant tables, etc...... providing hand sanitizer for all in attendance...... and so on and so forth. Doesn't this seem like a reasonable compromise for the time being?
The place where I work has been functioning like that right along. If I were a business owner in the process of reopening, my employees would be wearing masks and we would be cleaning. Customers would be encouraged to follow current guidelines but I wouldn't be kicking people out.
I don't think it has been a hoax, but a lot of it doesn't make sense. For instance, warning of a huge surge in patients and encouraging hospitals to stop other activities (and income), then giving them a financial incentive to classify patients as covid-19 patients, and victims.
I read today that the WHO says we have 54000 covid deaths, the CDC says 37000.?????? From the start, no rational person, honestly trying to get a picture of the situation, would have played fast and loose with the numbers.
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greynotsoold
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NoSavingByTheBell
the governors and President cares only about money/dollars the almighty DOLLAR, let them all go in to the movie theaters and rstaurants today and see ya in 21 days, bunch of let them eat cake money-hungry elitest. Yeah, ok its all fake, so let them go into the buffets, malls, bars, we're all waiting, bunch of geniuses.
That is gibberish.
Do you think that the owners of small businesses forced to shut down have any say in the matter?
if say inthe matter equals to free speech, then yes they have a say. But you're comment has little to do with what I wrote about opening too early and getting hit hardest by farther waves of the virus or even if it is proved to be a biological weapon , it is too early to open up back.
The movement to reopen businesses is anything but an elitist, money making movement.
Who is more of an elitist than Jeff Bezos? Amazon has flourished through all of this.
Who is more elitist than the Walton family? Business is booming at Walmart. They were allowed to remain open.
So was Home Depot, Lowes, and so were all the major grocery chains. Business is booming for them, too.
The people getting wrecked are the people that own barber shops, restaurants, and small businesses. And the people that pour drinks, wait tables, cut hair and do nails, and the people that play music.
You can still stay home if that's what you want to do, if you are the kind of person that has never been in a real boxing gym or never had good tacos because you are afraid of bad neighborhoods. God bless you. But the idea that you should have any say about how others choose to function is profoundly arrogant.
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greynotsoold ...... hope you don't mind the @mention, but it's my only way to make sure my question is directed only at you. I say that because I know you don't believe the COVID-19 crisis is one big hoax.
Question: How do you feel about the opening of businesses, BUT....... with enforceable social distancing measures? Meaning requiring facemasks to enter businesses (patrons AND employees)..... maintaining 6-ft distances in lines, waiting rooms, restaurant tables, etc...... providing hand sanitizer for all in attendance...... and so on and so forth. Doesn't this seem like a reasonable compromise for the time being?
i know you were asking greynotsoold but if that's what it takes for everything to open then sure, i don't think there is any need & nothing should have been shut down in the first place & damage has already been caused. if there is a planned second phase where they create more cases & deaths & need to go back into stricter lockdowns then they are back at square one, no one should believe these people who have already been shown to be liars & manipulators
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greynotsoold
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NoSavingByTheBell
the governors and President cares only about money/dollars the almighty DOLLAR, let them all go in to the movie theaters and rstaurants today and see ya in 21 days, bunch of let them eat cake money-hungry elitest. Yeah, ok its all fake, so let them go into the buffets, malls, bars, we're all waiting, bunch of geniuses.
That is gibberish.
Do you think that the owners of small businesses forced to shut down have any say in the matter?
if say inthe matter equals to free speech, then yes they have a say. But you're comment has little to do with what I wrote about opening too early and getting hit hardest by farther waves of the virus or even if it is proved to be a biological weapon , it is too early to open up back.
The movement to reopen businesses is anything but an elitist, money making movement.
Who is more of an elitist than Jeff Bezos? Amazon has flourished through all of this.
Who is more elitist than the Walton family? Business is booming at Walmart. They were allowed to remain open.
So was Home Depot, Lowes, and so were all the major grocery chains. Business is booming for them, too.
The people getting wrecked are the people that own barber shops, restaurants, and small businesses. And the people that pour drinks, wait tables, cut hair and do nails, and the people that play music.
You can still stay home if that's what you want to do, if you are the kind of person that has never been in a real boxing gym or never had good tacos because you are afraid of bad neighborhoods. God bless you. But the idea that you should have any say about how others choose to function is profoundly arrogant.
I didn't click your bait when you say to me gibberish
I didn't click your bait when you say profoundly arrogant.
I didn't click you bait to assume to me no boxing gyms and tacos.
WHen other s choose to function to risk to the others healths, that is what is profoundly arrogant.
and God bless you too.
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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NoSavingByTheBell
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Originally Posted by
greynotsoold
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NoSavingByTheBell
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Originally Posted by
greynotsoold
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NoSavingByTheBell
the governors and President cares only about money/dollars the almighty DOLLAR, let them all go in to the movie theaters and rstaurants today and see ya in 21 days, bunch of let them eat cake money-hungry elitest. Yeah, ok its all fake, so let them go into the buffets, malls, bars, we're all waiting, bunch of geniuses.
That is gibberish.
Do you think that the owners of small businesses forced to shut down have any say in the matter?
if say inthe matter equals to free speech, then yes they have a say. But you're comment has little to do with what I wrote about opening too early and getting hit hardest by farther waves of the virus or even if it is proved to be a biological weapon , it is too early to open up back.
The movement to reopen businesses is anything but an elitist, money making movement.
Who is more of an elitist than Jeff Bezos? Amazon has flourished through all of this.
Who is more elitist than the Walton family? Business is booming at Walmart. They were allowed to remain open.
So was Home Depot, Lowes, and so were all the major grocery chains. Business is booming for them, too.
The people getting wrecked are the people that own barber shops, restaurants, and small businesses. And the people that pour drinks, wait tables, cut hair and do nails, and the people that play music.
You can still stay home if that's what you want to do, if you are the kind of person that has never been in a real boxing gym or never had good tacos because you are afraid of bad neighborhoods. God bless you. But the idea that you should have any say about how others choose to function is profoundly arrogant.
I didn't click your bait when you say to me gibberish
I didn't click your bait when you say profoundly arrogant.
I didn't click you bait to assume to me no boxing gyms and tacos.
WHen other s choose to function to risk to the others healths, that is what is profoundly arrogant.
and God bless you too.
are you french again this time? or was that just walrus?
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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TIC
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
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Originally Posted by
greynotsoold
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
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Originally Posted by
greynotsoold
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
the governors and President cares only about money/dollars the almighty DOLLAR, let them all go in to the movie theaters and rstaurants today and see ya in 21 days, bunch of let them eat cake money-hungry elitest. Yeah, ok its all fake, so let them go into the buffets, malls, bars, we're all waiting, bunch of geniuses.
That is gibberish.
Do you think that the owners of small businesses forced to shut down have any say in the matter?
if say inthe matter equals to free speech, then yes they have a say. But you're comment has little to do with what I wrote about opening too early and getting hit hardest by farther waves of the virus or even if it is proved to be a biological weapon , it is too early to open up back.
The movement to reopen businesses is anything but an elitist, money making movement.
Who is more of an elitist than Jeff Bezos? Amazon has flourished through all of this.
Who is more elitist than the Walton family? Business is booming at Walmart. They were allowed to remain open.
So was Home Depot, Lowes, and so were all the major grocery chains. Business is booming for them, too.
The people getting wrecked are the people that own barber shops, restaurants, and small businesses. And the people that pour drinks, wait tables, cut hair and do nails, and the people that play music.
You can still stay home if that's what you want to do, if you are the kind of person that has never been in a real boxing gym or never had good tacos because you are afraid of bad neighborhoods. God bless you. But the idea that you should have any say about how others choose to function is profoundly arrogant.
I didn't click your bait when you say to me gibberish
I didn't click your bait when you say profoundly arrogant.
I didn't click you bait to assume to me no boxing gyms and tacos.
WHen other s choose to function to risk to the others healths, that is what is profoundly arrogant.
and God bless you too.
are you french again this time? or was that just walrus?
The new guy hasn’t determined where he is from. He was rallying against how bad Americans are Saying “they” but now he is one.
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
I wonder if the US is going to end up like many Asian countries where it is very common to see a large amount of people walking around with masks. Granted part of the reason is the air quality. When I was in Nanking my eyes were burning from the pollutants but it is also due to the various virus floating around the country. Once this has passed, will we be a masks be a common site? Stores used to have signs saying no masks can be worn in the store, now you have to put them on. I am so glad I’m French
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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walrus
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TIC
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
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Originally Posted by
greynotsoold
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
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Originally Posted by
greynotsoold
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
the governors and President cares only about money/dollars the almighty DOLLAR, let them all go in to the movie theaters and rstaurants today and see ya in 21 days, bunch of let them eat cake money-hungry elitest. Yeah, ok its all fake, so let them go into the buffets, malls, bars, we're all waiting, bunch of geniuses.
That is gibberish.
Do you think that the owners of small businesses forced to shut down have any say in the matter?
if say inthe matter equals to free speech, then yes they have a say. But you're comment has little to do with what I wrote about opening too early and getting hit hardest by farther waves of the virus or even if it is proved to be a biological weapon , it is too early to open up back.
The movement to reopen businesses is anything but an elitist, money making movement.
Who is more of an elitist than Jeff Bezos? Amazon has flourished through all of this.
Who is more elitist than the Walton family? Business is booming at Walmart. They were allowed to remain open.
So was Home Depot, Lowes, and so were all the major grocery chains. Business is booming for them, too.
The people getting wrecked are the people that own barber shops, restaurants, and small businesses. And the people that pour drinks, wait tables, cut hair and do nails, and the people that play music.
You can still stay home if that's what you want to do, if you are the kind of person that has never been in a real boxing gym or never had good tacos because you are afraid of bad neighborhoods. God bless you. But the idea that you should have any say about how others choose to function is profoundly arrogant.
I didn't click your bait when you say to me gibberish
I didn't click your bait when you say profoundly arrogant.
I didn't click you bait to assume to me no boxing gyms and tacos.
WHen other s choose to function to risk to the others healths, that is what is profoundly arrogant.
and God bless you too.
are you french again this time? or was that just walrus?
The new guy hasn’t determined where he is from. He was rallying against how bad Americans are Saying “they” but now he is one.
Armenia?
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
TIC
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
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Originally Posted by
greynotsoold
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Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
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Originally Posted by
greynotsoold
Quote:
Originally Posted by
NoSavingByTheBell
the governors and President cares only about money/dollars the almighty DOLLAR, let them all go in to the movie theaters and rstaurants today and see ya in 21 days, bunch of let them eat cake money-hungry elitest. Yeah, ok its all fake, so let them go into the buffets, malls, bars, we're all waiting, bunch of geniuses.
That is gibberish.
Do you think that the owners of small businesses forced to shut down have any say in the matter?
if say inthe matter equals to free speech, then yes they have a say. But you're comment has little to do with what I wrote about opening too early and getting hit hardest by farther waves of the virus or even if it is proved to be a biological weapon , it is too early to open up back.
The movement to reopen businesses is anything but an elitist, money making movement.
Who is more of an elitist than Jeff Bezos? Amazon has flourished through all of this.
Who is more elitist than the Walton family? Business is booming at Walmart. They were allowed to remain open.
So was Home Depot, Lowes, and so were all the major grocery chains. Business is booming for them, too.
The people getting wrecked are the people that own barber shops, restaurants, and small businesses. And the people that pour drinks, wait tables, cut hair and do nails, and the people that play music.
You can still stay home if that's what you want to do, if you are the kind of person that has never been in a real boxing gym or never had good tacos because you are afraid of bad neighborhoods. God bless you. But the idea that you should have any say about how others choose to function is profoundly arrogant.
I didn't click your bait when you say to me gibberish
I didn't click your bait when you say profoundly arrogant.
I didn't click you bait to assume to me no boxing gyms and tacos.
WHen other s choose to function to risk to the others healths, that is what is profoundly arrogant.
and God bless you too.
are you french again this time? or was that just walrus?
The new guy hasn’t determined where he is from. He was rallying against how bad Americans are Saying “they” but now he is one.
Armenia?
i bet the coward wasn't out there marching on the twenty forth of last month
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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walrus
I wonder if the US is going to end up like many Asian countries where it is very common to see a large amount of people walking around with masks. Granted part of the reason is the air quality. When I was in Nanking my eyes were burning from the pollutants but it is also due to the various virus floating around the country. Once this has passed, will we be a masks be a common site? Stores used to have signs saying no masks can be worn in the store, now you have to put them on. I am so glad I’m French
I think they will and have to say I'm glad the majority of locals are wearing them inside of businesses. The no masks allowed was one of the first things I thought of when they first started the DIY bandana masks around here. It is very common to see kids run around with bandanas around necks on heads in a pocket etc for as long as I can remember and to be honest those are the ones you give a second glance. I think masks in general will be the new norm and regardless of if you believe it's fact or you lick pennies and look for men in black trench coats under your bed..it's common sense and courtesy when among groups. Humans are nasty, think about all the snoting, wheezing and talking with our mouths full we do. We swap bacteria like it's going out of style. What gets lost and ignored is the mask isn't for you it's for the people you come across and vice a versa. If I see someone coughing in a store and they aren't masked up, now they get the second glance. We seemed to get that for the first few weeks on what was a unified front for the most part. This Country cannot unite worth a shat now. At least for longer than a month.
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
walrus
I wonder if the US is going to end up like many Asian countries where it is very common to see a large amount of people walking around with masks. Granted part of the reason is the air quality. When I was in Nanking my eyes were burning from the pollutants but it is also due to the various virus floating around the country. Once this has passed, will we be a masks be a common site? Stores used to have signs saying no masks can be worn in the store, now you have to put them on. I am so glad I’m French
I think they will and have to say I'm glad the majority of locals are wearing them inside of businesses. The no masks allowed was one of the first things I thought of when they first started the DIY bandana masks around here. It is very common to see kids run around with bandanas around necks on heads in a pocket etc for as long as I can remember and to be honest those are the ones you give a second glance. I think masks in general will be the new norm and regardless of if you believe it's fact or you lick pennies and look for men in black trench coats under your bed..it's common sense and courtesy when among groups. Humans are nasty, think about all the snoting, wheezing and talking with our mouths full we do. We swap bacteria like it's going out of style. What gets lost and ignored is the mask isn't for you it's for the people you come across and vice a versa. If I see someone coughing in a store and they aren't masked up, now they get the second glance. We seemed to get that for the first few weeks on what was a unified front for the most part. This Country cannot unite worth a shat now. At least for longer than a month.
we need bacteria to improve our immune systems. wearing a mask is not common sense. do you wear one? if so do you wear it because you believe the virus can jump from someone else onto you?
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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Originally Posted by
TIC
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
walrus
I wonder if the US is going to end up like many Asian countries where it is very common to see a large amount of people walking around with masks. Granted part of the reason is the air quality. When I was in Nanking my eyes were burning from the pollutants but it is also due to the various virus floating around the country. Once this has passed, will we be a masks be a common site? Stores used to have signs saying no masks can be worn in the store, now you have to put them on. I am so glad I’m French
I think they will and have to say I'm glad the majority of locals are wearing them inside of businesses. The no masks allowed was one of the first things I thought of when they first started the DIY bandana masks around here. It is very common to see kids run around with bandanas around necks on heads in a pocket etc for as long as I can remember and to be honest those are the ones you give a second glance. I think masks in general will be the new norm and regardless of if you believe it's fact or you lick pennies and look for men in black trench coats under your bed..it's common sense and courtesy when among groups. Humans are nasty, think about all the snoting, wheezing and talking with our mouths full we do. We swap bacteria like it's going out of style. What gets lost and ignored is the mask isn't for you it's for the people you come across and vice a versa. If I see someone coughing in a store and they aren't masked up, now they get the second glance. We seemed to get that for the first few weeks on what was a unified front for the most part. This Country cannot unite worth a shat now. At least for longer than a month.
we need bacteria to improve our immune systems. wearing a mask is not common sense. do you wear one? if so do you wear it because you believe the virus can jump from someone else onto you?
Out of pennies? Ahh 'the virus' see you're making progress ;D. Among large crowds at enclosed stores yeh I wear one. No I know how that whole thing works. A mask is for others so you don't spritz all over them and common sense to negate or minimize it. Handle money you'll get all the bacteria you want. Someone coughs in your face, on your person..yeh things jump onto you.