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Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?
Who ranks higher all time? I say Floyd is the better fighter (more skilled), while Pacquiao is the greater fighter (better resume and accomplishments).
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Re: Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?
Floyd. I think when it really comes down to it, Floyd easily beat Pacquiao. I would say whoever won that fight got to claim a higher ranking over the other. And I don’t want to hear about Pacquiao being smaller and fighting at a bigger weight. Floyd was a small welterweight and Pacquiao proved welterweight to most likely be his best weight (he was most dominant at that weight).
I think that overall, Pacquiao has the better resume, but he has also lost on multiple occasions. Floyd only had a few close fights. I think that Floyd proved to be the greater fighter.
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Re: Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?
As said Floyd has the victory in the head to head and the '0'.
Not really a close decision for me
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Re: Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?
Pacquiao took lots of risks during his career. He managed weight divisions like few others before or after him. Losses do not necessarily diminish a fighter's career in my eyes. Especially when so many "0"s are nurtured like newborn babies. Can't argue with head-to-head, though. Floyd better fighter of the two... Pacquiao more impressive career.
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Re: Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?
Floyd is a great boxer, but holy shit he tippy toed his way to keeping that 0. Hell of a boxer, but you just wonder...WHAT IF.
What if Casamayor or Freitas at 130
What if a younger De la Hoya and Mosley
What if Hatton at 140
What if Cotto pre-Margarito with a trainer he still had full confidence in
What if a younger Zab Judah
What if Kostya Tszyu
What if Paul Williams
What if Margarito
What if Sergio Martinez
What if GGG
I mean is Floyd still a favorite to beat those guys? Probably. Does he still beat those guys? Most likely....but as a fan it's not getting to see those big fights ever happen that sucks.
Floyd made a bunch of money, he is the A#1 boxer known worldwide, he can do exhibition bouts vs anyone and make millions, but to me as a fan his career is a disappointment because he was too much about self preservation and not enough about having a challenge and testing himself.
Is it better to have a loss or two or have all the what ifs? :dontknow: I mean with the lower weight class fighters speculation does run rampant about catchweights (that's another bullshit thing) which fighter moves up or down what are the advantages. Strategywise, setting up matchups Floyd is a genius and hell he still had to make the business happen in the ring....I'm in awe of that......still I'm thinking he could have been undeniably the greatest by making different matchups at different points in his career and the careers of other fighters but oh well.
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Re: Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?
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El Kabong
Floyd is a great boxer, but holy shit he tippy toed his way to keeping that 0. Hell of a boxer, but you just wonder...WHAT IF.
What if Casamayor or Freitas at 130
What if a younger De la Hoya and Mosley
What if Hatton at 140
What if Cotto pre-Margarito with a trainer he still had full confidence in
What if a younger Zab Judah
What if Kostya Tszyu
What if Paul Williams
What if Margarito
What if Sergio Martinez
What if GGG
I mean is Floyd still a favorite to beat those guys? Probably. Does he still beat those guys? Most likely....but as a fan it's not getting to see those big fights ever happen that sucks.
Floyd made a bunch of money, he is the A#1 boxer known worldwide, he can do exhibition bouts vs anyone and make millions, but to me as a fan his career is a disappointment because he was too much about self preservation and not enough about having a challenge and testing himself.
Is it better to have a loss or two or have all the what ifs? :dontknow: I mean with the lower weight class fighters speculation does run rampant about catchweights (that's another bullshit thing) which fighter moves up or down what are the advantages. Strategywise, setting up matchups Floyd is a genius and hell he still had to make the business happen in the ring....I'm in awe of that......still I'm thinking he could have been undeniably the greatest by making different matchups at different points in his career and the careers of other fighters but oh well.
I think that Floyd ducking is very overstated. I feel that he maybe swerved a few people, but overall, he fought good fighters. And some of those people that he “ducked” he actually called out and they avoided him. Remember, Floyd wasn’t Money Mayweather until after the De La Hoya fight. People avoided him before that because he didn’t produce the big paycheck.
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Re: Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?
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El Kabong
Floyd is a great boxer, but holy shit he tippy toed his way to keeping that 0. Hell of a boxer, but you just wonder...WHAT IF.
What if Casamayor or Freitas at 130
What if a younger De la Hoya and Mosley
What if Hatton at 140
What if Cotto pre-Margarito with a trainer he still had full confidence in
What if a younger Zab Judah
What if Kostya Tszyu
What if Paul Williams
What if Margarito
What if Sergio Martinez
What if GGG
I mean is Floyd still a favorite to beat those guys? Probably. Does he still beat those guys? Most likely....but as a fan it's not getting to see those big fights ever happen that sucks.
Floyd made a bunch of money, he is the A#1 boxer known worldwide, he can do exhibition bouts vs anyone and make millions, but to me as a fan his career is a disappointment because he was too much about self preservation and not enough about having a challenge and testing himself.
Is it better to have a loss or two or have all the what ifs? :dontknow: I mean with the lower weight class fighters speculation does run rampant about catchweights (that's another bullshit thing) which fighter moves up or down what are the advantages. Strategywise, setting up matchups Floyd is a genius and hell he still had to make the business happen in the ring....I'm in awe of that......still I'm thinking he could have been undeniably the greatest by making different matchups at different points in his career and the careers of other fighters but oh well.
So in a career of about 20 years and 5 divisions you need to speculate about a 6th division to come up with 7 names he didn’t fight that you would have liked him to fight. And you see this as an argument against him, that should be an argument for him.
You use when and where he fought Oscar, Shane, Hatton, and Cotto against him when it is well documented that they rejected offers from him, at the times you would have liked, at 140 for Ricky and Miguel, a decade earlier for Shane and Oscar. Keep in mind none of these 4 made him a counter offer. In fact they all flat said no. Or “we aren’t looking to fight him right now” is the best, softest version of no.
I think people just don’t see how wildly unjust they are to Floyd. Dude was and is a dirtbag so he deserves it. But it’s not like Pacquiao has 1 or 2 losses, he has 7, and 2 draws. And Floyd made him look f’n easy H2H. This really should not be a debate. It’s like who is tougher Superman or Aquaman. Aquaman had a great career but f, Superman is Superman. Obviously not saying Floyd is Superman but there is a reason he could make hundreds of millions of dollars with a style most don’t appreciate, because he was that damn good.
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Re: Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?
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Ron Swanson
So in a career of about 20 years and 5 divisions you need to speculate about a 6th division to come up with 7 names he didn’t fight that you would have liked him to fight. And you see this as an argument against him, that should be an argument for him.
You use when and where he fought Oscar, Shane, Hatton, and Cotto against him when it is well documented that they rejected offers from him, at the times you would have liked, at 140 for Ricky and Miguel, a decade earlier for Shane and Oscar. Keep in mind none of these 4 made him a counter offer. In fact they all flat said no. Or “we aren’t looking to fight him right now” is the best, softest version of no.
I think people just don’t see how wildly unjust they are to Floyd. Dude was and is a dirtbag so he deserves it. But it’s not like Pacquiao has 1 or 2 losses, he has 7, and 2 draws. And Floyd made him look f’n easy H2H. This really should not be a debate. It’s like who is tougher Superman or Aquaman. Aquaman had a great career but f, Superman is Superman. Obviously not saying Floyd is Superman but there is a reason he could make hundreds of millions of dollars with a style most don’t appreciate, because he was that damn good.
I came up with fights off the top of my head that I would have liked to see as a boxing fan. MY BAD Ron, MY FAULT, I'm sorry I didn't know that was something I shouldn't do. I said Floyd is rated higher in my own personal opinion as well. He's well over Pacquiao.....doesn't mean I wouldn't have liked to see Floyd fight an undefeated Miguel Cotto as I think Cotto gave him a great fight as it was. I think Hatton at 140 is a totally different animal than Hatton at 147, but I think Floyd wins, it's just vs what Hatton...147, the shitty Hatton. He put up a good fight, gave a good account of himself, but do you not agree that Hatton at 140 was better than Hatton at 147? Use your eyes...tell me Hatton looked better at 147.
Those are BOXING as a sport issues and I as a fan of boxing can and will point that out. Sorry you seem to have a personal issue with my take as a fan on issues like that.
How am I unjust to Floyd? Did he or did he not specially pick out his opponents? JMM at 147 a guy who previously never fought above 135...oh it was SUPPOSED to be at 144, but then mysteriously this changed and JMM weighed in at 142 and Floyd at 146 and on fight night???? JMM weighed in on HBO's unofficial scale at 148 and Floyd? Oh he declined to be weighed ....but hey he's the GOAT right? He's not trying to screw someone over to keep his 0 right?
You act like Floyd is the only boxer ever in the history of all time to be speculated about. Get a grip. He's a great fighter, but yes he picked and chose who, when, and if he was going to fight and what the stipulations would be for the fight....and as I said he still had to do (and he did) the business in the ring and all props to him for that otherwise everyone would be undefeated.
But yeah, cry about any boxing fan being "too harsh on Floyd" :eek::eek::eek: to someone else
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Re: Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?
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El Kabong
Floyd is a great boxer, but holy shit he tippy toed his way to keeping that 0. Hell of a boxer, but you just wonder...WHAT IF.
What if Casamayor or Freitas at 130
What if a younger De la Hoya and Mosley
What if Hatton at 140
What if Cotto pre-Margarito with a trainer he still had full confidence in
What if a younger Zab Judah
What if Kostya Tszyu
What if Paul Williams
What if Margarito
What if Sergio Martinez
What if GGG
I mean is Floyd still a favorite to beat those guys? Probably. Does he still beat those guys? Most likely....but as a fan it's not getting to see those big fights ever happen that sucks.
Floyd made a bunch of money, he is the A#1 boxer known worldwide, he can do exhibition bouts vs anyone and make millions, but to me as a fan his career is a disappointment because he was too much about self preservation and not enough about having a challenge and testing himself.
Is it better to have a loss or two or have all the what ifs? :dontknow: I mean with the lower weight class fighters speculation does run rampant about catchweights (that's another bullshit thing) which fighter moves up or down what are the advantages. Strategywise, setting up matchups Floyd is a genius and hell he still had to make the business happen in the ring....I'm in awe of that......still I'm thinking he could have been undeniably the greatest by making different matchups at different points in his career and the careers of other fighters but oh well.
Don't forget Winky KaBong.
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Re: Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?
These discussions are always funny because we are basically saying Manny or Floyd are the best of their generation and bonafide ATGs- yet both sides will become hysterical and accuse the other side of "hating" if they make a logical argument for either fighter. Both fighters have legitimate cases for historical impact, it just depends on what you value and whose style you favor. I personally enjoy these debates/discussions, and i don't feel any answer is "wrong".
To get the easy part (in my mind) out of the way- if we are discussing who was better (more skilled, versatile, able to beat a wide/broad array of opponents), I feel that Floyd wins this hands down. Watch Floyd fight Diego Corralles and then watch his fight vs. Ricky Hatton, and tell me one set of skills that Floyd didn't display in those fights (great jabs to head and body, fighting off the ropes, combos, body punching, boxing, slipping, countering...etc.). Floyd was athletically gifted and as impressive as his natural gifts were, his learned technique and boxing IQ was even more impressive (not to mention his work ethic and tough mentality).
If we are talking historical ranking, that becomes more difficult and reverts to a more subjective discussion- but essentially boils down to who accomplished the most impressive feats and how long will it be before someone breaks those records/feats. I personally add BHOP to this discussion, and I know that is controversial, but he has a couple of amazing feats that I feel are historically significant. I view each guy's claim to highest ATG status as follows:
Manny: Fought tougher competition than either Hop or Floyd, but suffered more losses and suffered an ugly stoppage vs JMM. Manny won titles in 8 weight classes (amazing feat that won't soon be broken), won 11 world titles, and won five lineal championships. Fighters he beat: Barrera (HOF), Morales (HOF), JMM (HOF), Hatton, Cotto, Oscar (HOF), Ledwaba, Larios, Thurman, Bradley, Margarito, and Mosely. He fought Floyd head to head, and lost a one sided and boring fight, and was knocked out by JMM in their fourth fight.
Floyd: As skilled as BHOP (if not more so), but more talented/gifted than Hop in my opinion. In all fairness to Floyd, he fought some great competition beating undefeated Diego Corralles and Ricky Hatton when they were P4P ranked and at the height of their prowess. He also beat Mosely when Shane was ranked P4P (coming off Margarito), showing heart in over coming some scary moments early when Shane landed some big right hands. The more Canelo fights, the better Floyd's win looks, as Canelo is a very good, if not GREAT fighter. Finally, Floyd beat Manny head to head (dominating him), and while Manny wasn't his best, Floyd wasn't either and deserves credit for beating his top perceived rival/competitor. Other impressive wins were Genaro Hernandez, Jose Luis Castillo (great lightweight), P4P ranked JMM, Corley, Gatti, Zab Judah, and a tough Carlos Baldomir. That is a great list of fighters- but I favor Manny's resume slightly. Historical feats for Floyd are impressive- undefeated, lineal champ in 3 weight classes, world titles in 5 weight classes. I feel Manny's feats are more impressive and will last longer.
BHOP: Not as talented/gifted naturally as Manny or Floyd, but a great fighter who overcame his limitations with discipline, intelligence, work ethic, and toughness/will. Bernard has some great wins on his resume' in Tito Trinidad (P4P 2, undefeated, HOF), Winky (P4P #3 at the time), Tarver (P4P #3 at the time), and Kelly Pavilik (Undefeated, P4P ranked at the time). Additional solid wins worth noting are Oscar, Joe Lipsey Jr., Old Roy Jones Jr., Pascal, Shumenov, Murat, Andrew Council, Keith Holmes, William Joppy, Antwon Echols, Simon Brown, Robert Allen, and Howard Eastman. Where Hop challenges both is in accomplishments and historical feats- completely cleaning out middleweight, being the first to unify all four major belts (WBO, WBA, WBC, IBF), making a record (20) defenses, winning multiple lineal titles at light heavyweight, and being the oldest fighter to win, unify, and defend major titles (blowing out Foreman's record of 46 by 3 years). Lost a disputed decision to Jermain Taylor twice, and a disputed decision to Joe Calzaghe. Lost a tough fight to Roy Jones jr. early (while Hop was a little green still), and then when he was older he dropped decisions to Chad Dawson, Kovalev, and Joe Smith jr.
So in summary, I favor Floyd in terms of who was the "best", but feel that he comes in third to the other two in terms of historical significance and historical feats. Between Manny and Hop, it is a very tight race, but I have to slightly favor Manny's accomplishments as I don't know that they will ever be matched. All of that being said, I can see and respect the argument for Floyd being ranked higher than the others.
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Floyd is the best boxer of his generation. You SAW skills. You saw how he adjusted and what that means. Floyd was better, skillwise, than Roy Jones. Just that Roy was a better athlete with superior hand speed and quickness.
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Re: Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?
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ykdadamaja
Floyd is the best boxer of his generation. You SAW skills. You saw how he adjusted and what that means. Floyd was better, skillwise, than Roy Jones. Just that Roy was a better athlete with superior hand speed and quickness.
Floyd hands down (I say grudgingly), as Pac was ~sparked out~ like a log, stone cold by Marquez. Floyd never even more than wobbled by a Sugar Shane Shot, and once again by Zab.
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ykdadamaja
Floyd is the best boxer of his generation. You SAW skills. You saw how he adjusted and what that means. Floyd was better, skillwise, than Roy Jones. Just that Roy was a better athlete with superior hand speed and quickness.
Floyd hands down (I say grudgingly), as Pac was ~sparked out~ like a log, stone cold by Marquez. Floyd never even more than wobbled by a Sugar Shane Shot, and once again by Zab.
DeMarcus Corley as well.
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Master
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Fatboxingfan
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ykdadamaja
Floyd is the best boxer of his generation. You SAW skills. You saw how he adjusted and what that means. Floyd was better, skillwise, than Roy Jones. Just that Roy was a better athlete with superior hand speed and quickness.
Floyd hands down (I say grudgingly), as Pac was ~sparked out~ like a log, stone cold by Marquez. Floyd never even more than wobbled by a Sugar Shane Shot, and once again by Zab.
DeMarcus Corley as well.
and maidana...
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El Kabong
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Ron Swanson
So in a career of about 20 years and 5 divisions you need to speculate about a 6th division to come up with 7 names he didn’t fight that you would have liked him to fight. And you see this as an argument against him, that should be an argument for him.
You use when and where he fought Oscar, Shane, Hatton, and Cotto against him when it is well documented that they rejected offers from him, at the times you would have liked, at 140 for Ricky and Miguel, a decade earlier for Shane and Oscar. Keep in mind none of these 4 made him a counter offer. In fact they all flat said no. Or “we aren’t looking to fight him right now” is the best, softest version of no.
I think people just don’t see how wildly unjust they are to Floyd. Dude was and is a dirtbag so he deserves it. But it’s not like Pacquiao has 1 or 2 losses, he has 7, and 2 draws. And Floyd made him look f’n easy H2H. This really should not be a debate. It’s like who is tougher Superman or Aquaman. Aquaman had a great career but f, Superman is Superman. Obviously not saying Floyd is Superman but there is a reason he could make hundreds of millions of dollars with a style most don’t appreciate, because he was that damn good.
I came up with fights off the top of my head that I would have liked to see as a boxing fan. MY BAD Ron, MY FAULT, I'm sorry I didn't know that was something I shouldn't do. I said Floyd is rated higher in my own personal opinion as well. He's well over Pacquiao.....doesn't mean I wouldn't have liked to see Floyd fight an undefeated Miguel Cotto as I think Cotto gave him a great fight as it was. I think Hatton at 140 is a totally different animal than Hatton at 147, but I think Floyd wins, it's just vs what Hatton...147, the shitty Hatton. He put up a good fight, gave a good account of himself, but do you not agree that Hatton at 140 was better than Hatton at 147? Use your eyes...tell me Hatton looked better at 147.
Those are BOXING as a sport issues and I as a fan of boxing can and will point that out. Sorry you seem to have a personal issue with my take as a fan on issues like that.
How am I unjust to Floyd? Did he or did he not specially pick out his opponents? JMM at 147 a guy who previously never fought above 135...oh it was SUPPOSED to be at 144, but then mysteriously this changed and JMM weighed in at 142 and Floyd at 146 and on fight night???? JMM weighed in on HBO's unofficial scale at 148 and Floyd? Oh he declined to be weighed ....but hey he's the GOAT right? He's not trying to screw someone over to keep his 0 right?
You act like Floyd is the only boxer ever in the history of all time to be speculated about. Get a grip. He's a great fighter, but yes he picked and chose who, when, and if he was going to fight and what the stipulations would be for the fight....and as I said he still had to do (and he did) the business in the ring and all props to him for that otherwise everyone would be undefeated.
But yeah, cry about any boxing fan being "too harsh on Floyd" :eek::eek::eek: to someone else
Also lets not pretend we don't know that lowballing someone with an offer way below market value is typically seen in the business as a way to tell whether or not a guy is serious about fighting you.
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Fatboxingfan
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ykdadamaja
Floyd is the best boxer of his generation. You SAW skills. You saw how he adjusted and what that means. Floyd was better, skillwise, than Roy Jones. Just that Roy was a better athlete with superior hand speed and quickness.
Floyd hands down (I say grudgingly), as Pac was ~sparked out~ like a log, stone cold by Marquez. Floyd never even more than wobbled by a Sugar Shane Shot, and once again by Zab.
DeMarcus Corley as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ofeqQ_ljCk
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There are fights I give Floyd a bunch of credit for: Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, Jesus Chavez, and Canelo.
People get hung up on my wondering about Sergio Martinez and GGG but both of those guys were willing to fight at 154 and Floyd fought at 154...I guess they just "weren't big enough" and so Floyd had to fight Maidana twice :rolleyes: , Roberto Guerrero, Andre Berto, and Victor Ortiz....you know, the fights ALL the boxing fans were clamoring for :-\
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Re: Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?
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El Kabong
There are fights I give Floyd a bunch of credit for: Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, Jesus Chavez, and Canelo.
People get hung up on my wondering about Sergio Martinez and GGG but both of those guys were willing to fight at 154 and Floyd fought at 154...I guess they just "weren't big enough" and so Floyd had to fight Maidana twice :rolleyes: , Roberto Guerrero, Andre Berto, and Victor Ortiz....you know, the fights ALL the boxing fans were clamoring for :-\
Floyd was on that fat contract where he did not have to take too many chances and stretch himself so he didn't.
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Re: Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?
Before we continue this thread ask yourself a few questions..
1. Would floyd have lost to the fighters that Pac lost too?
2. If the Floyd/Pac fight was too late..why would we believe that if it happened 5 years earlier Floyd wouldn’t have been any better?..Floyd is older than Pac..are we to believe that if it was 5 years earlier only Pac skills would be improved and Floyd stays the same age and prime?!
3. Styles make fight and Floyds style could never loose to Pac..it was obvious to everyone from the first round when Floyd laid that first right hand what was going to happen..looked close but after watching it again you’re looking at 9-3 or 8-4 Floyd..there is no fake Rocky movie and no blood or tears..it’s just pure clinical, sharp boxing and a clean record with millions in the bank..just accept it and find another 2nd placed hero to worship..
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I wasn’t going to rise to the bait, but hey , why not.no disrespect to the OP,but either the most ridiculous thread ever, or the biggest example of hating ever.
We have a large proportion of intelligent knowledgeable people on this forum, How can anyone even consider ranking Pacquiao higher than Floyd?
Some serious Floyd haters out here.
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I wasn’t going to rise to the bait, but hey , why not.no disrespect to the OP,but either the most ridiculous thread ever, or the biggest example of hating ever.
We have a large proportion of intelligent knowledgeable people on this forum, How can anyone even consider ranking Pacquiao higher than Floyd?
Some serious Floyd haters out here.
Is it REALLY hating to lay out a logical explanation for how you would rank someone higher than Floyd- or would it be hating to say that it shouldn’t even be discussed and your point of view/perspective is the only valid one? Not saying Floyd isn’t an ATG (everyone on this forum agrees), but to say that there is zero room for debate regarding historical ranking and feats, I think is a little biased and unrealistic.
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Let's put it this way. Who do I have more respect and appreciation for. Who has stacked divisions and trinkets like he was decorating a Christmas tree. Who would I make it a point to tune in for and who just beat, convincingly, the man who was berated for the longest as a clear ducker of "The Man" at 147? Who's next fight will arguably be another huge fight for trinket(s) and who is still making front page news? Some tease comebacks and ring relevance with some traveling circus against kickboxers and some actually fight on v top pros. Now in all fairness....Mayweather is the better more polished top skill fighter/athlete over all. But let's be honest can you name the first couple of guys Manny lost to. And the fact he took early ko's and became legend to eclipse those nights. And does anyone still believe he lost to Horn and Bradley. Now to turn that I don't think he beat Marquez in #2 either. But we can do that with any fighters record with the depth and quality of these two. Just to be clear I've nothing but respect for Floyds natural talent and business mind and being a brilliant ring master but having a glossy -0- doesn't immediately translate to a cemented one way ticket to GOAT. Greats take losses too, and they right them. Manny will forever be Mayweather's last super fight. Mayweather ranks higher overall because ultimately he beat the brakes off Manny.
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Re: Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?
I personally rank Pac higher based on actually taking on a lot more difficult fights and though losing some, winning most. I respect that more than cherry picking which Floyd did for a good decade. Plus we shouldn't kid ourselves that Floyd didn't arguably lose fights too. He was very lucky to get away with a few decisions.
Both excellent fighterss, but I prefer the man that fights anyone and I don't really consider their face off all that meaningful. I think Pac was genuinely injured and clearly not quite what he was 5 years previously. Sure Floyd is older, but Manny has a style that ages and to be fair he has lasted a long time with it by boxing more and fighting in spurts.
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I personally rank Pac higher based on actually taking on a lot more difficult fights and though losing some, winning most. I respect that more than cherry picking which Floyd did for a good decade. Plus we shouldn't kid ourselves that Floyd didn't arguably lose fights too. He was very lucky to get away with a few decisions.
Both excellent fighterss, but I prefer the man that fights anyone and I don't really consider their face off all that meaningful. I think Pac was genuinely injured and clearly not quite what he was 5 years previously. Sure Floyd is older, but Manny has a style that ages and to be fair he has lasted a long time with it by boxing more and fighting in spurts.
Rubbish.
The man that fights anyone.?!
So pretty boy never existed?
How can you judge which fighter in history fought anyone..this is business..manny had to fight Marquez 3 times (or was it 4?!) and we all know how that ended.
Floyd fighting Marquez was one of his easiest fights..Floyd has the ability to adjust and make his opponent quit mentally and survive for the payday..imagine being caught with a pull counter everytime..makes you reluctant..very reluctant to make that mistake again.
Is Porter a better fighter than Spence because Porter isn’t afraid to fight everyone?!
Please.
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There are fights I give Floyd a bunch of credit for: Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, Jesus Chavez, and Canelo.
People get hung up on my wondering about Sergio Martinez and GGG but both of those guys were willing to fight at 154 and Floyd fought at 154...I guess they just "weren't big enough" and so Floyd had to fight Maidana twice :rolleyes: , Roberto Guerrero, Andre Berto, and Victor Ortiz....you know, the fights ALL the boxing fans were clamoring for :-\
Floyd was on that fat contract where he did not have to take too many chances and stretch himself so he didn't.
Why should he at that stage?!
Boxers would love to finish their career like Floyd..no matter who he fought last “those” would never be satisfied..and to finish it all he beat the best in the UFC as an up yours to Boxing and all those who think they know best for his legacy.
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Problem with the majority is this fascination with Rocky movies and what you’re supposed to look like winning a fight..bloody and gassed..some win with ease and don’t get hit..that’s the true art of boxing.
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Master
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El Kabong
There are fights I give Floyd a bunch of credit for: Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, Jesus Chavez, and Canelo.
People get hung up on my wondering about Sergio Martinez and GGG but both of those guys were willing to fight at 154 and Floyd fought at 154...I guess they just "weren't big enough" and so Floyd had to fight Maidana twice :rolleyes: , Roberto Guerrero, Andre Berto, and Victor Ortiz....you know, the fights ALL the boxing fans were clamoring for :-\
Floyd was on that fat contract where he did not have to take too many chances and stretch himself so he didn't.
Why should he at that stage?!
Boxers would love to finish their career like Floyd..no matter who he fought last “those” would never be satisfied..and to finish it all he beat the best in the UFC as an up yours to Boxing and all those who think they know best for his legacy.
What utter nonsense you write. You recognise he was not the fighter he once was at that stage and could have fought better opposition. The reason he fought the UTC fighter was money not some romantic notion.
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There are fights I give Floyd a bunch of credit for: Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, Jesus Chavez, and Canelo.
People get hung up on my wondering about Sergio Martinez and GGG but both of those guys were willing to fight at 154 and Floyd fought at 154...I guess they just "weren't big enough" and so Floyd had to fight Maidana twice :rolleyes: , Roberto Guerrero, Andre Berto, and Victor Ortiz....you know, the fights ALL the boxing fans were clamoring for :-\
Floyd was on that fat contract where he did not have to take too many chances and stretch himself so he didn't.
Why should he at that stage?!
Boxers would love to finish their career like Floyd..no matter who he fought last “those” would never be satisfied..and to finish it all he beat the best in the UFC as an up yours to Boxing and all those who think they know best for his legacy.
What utter nonsense you write. You recognise he was not the fighter he once was at that stage and could have fought better opposition. The reason he fought the UTC fighter was money not some romantic notion.
You’ve always hated on Floyd and it’s embarrassing..just accept that Pac is number 2 in this situation..I want to hear you say it.
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There are fights I give Floyd a bunch of credit for: Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, Jesus Chavez, and Canelo.
People get hung up on my wondering about Sergio Martinez and GGG but both of those guys were willing to fight at 154 and Floyd fought at 154...I guess they just "weren't big enough" and so Floyd had to fight Maidana twice :rolleyes: , Roberto Guerrero, Andre Berto, and Victor Ortiz....you know, the fights ALL the boxing fans were clamoring for :-\
Floyd was on that fat contract where he did not have to take too many chances and stretch himself so he didn't.
Why should he at that stage?!
Boxers would love to finish their career like Floyd..no matter who he fought last “those” would never be satisfied..and to finish it all he beat the best in the UFC as an up yours to Boxing and all those who think they know best for his legacy.
What utter nonsense you write. You recognise he was not the fighter he once was at that stage and could have fought better opposition. The reason he fought the UTC fighter was money not some romantic notion.
You’ve always hated on Floyd and it’s embarrassing..just accept that Pac is number 2 in this situation..I want to hear you say it.
No. 2009/10 Manny Pac kicks Floyd's ass.
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I personally rank Pac higher based on actually taking on a lot more difficult fights and though losing some, winning most. I respect that more than cherry picking which Floyd did for a good decade. Plus we shouldn't kid ourselves that Floyd didn't arguably lose fights too. He was very lucky to get away with a few decisions.
Both excellent fighterss, but I prefer the man that fights anyone and I don't really consider their face off all that meaningful. I think Pac was genuinely injured and clearly not quite what he was 5 years previously. Sure Floyd is older, but Manny has a style that ages and to be fair he has lasted a long time with it by boxing more and fighting in spurts.
Rubbish.
The man that fights anyone.?!
So pretty boy never existed?
How can you judge which fighter in history fought anyone..this is business..manny had to fight Marquez 3 times (or was it 4?!) and we all know how that ended.
Floyd fighting Marquez was one of his easiest fights..Floyd has the ability to adjust and make his opponent quit mentally and survive for the payday..imagine being caught with a pull counter everytime..makes you reluctant..very reluctant to make that mistake again.
Is Porter a better fighter than Spence because Porter isn’t afraid to fight everyone?!
Please.
Why you're still giving credit to Floyd for beating a much smaller 37 years old, past his best Marquez ?
I remember we had an argument on this subject a few years ago, the time this fight happened Marquez was a proven lightweight ( he fought two times at lightweight after that), he was dragged 4 division north of his best weight by one of the most skillful fighter ever, he never had a chance.
I,m not saying he would have beat Floyd (possible though) if they were the same size but I'm pretty sure it would have been much closer.
I'm also not blaming either of them for taken this fight, Juan Manuel got his biggest payday, Floyd was coming out from the retirement ("The Punisher" was more preferred) but we shouldn't consider it a fair fight.
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Not sure what rankings we speak about, historical rankings or the current p4p ...
I'l take Floyd over Pac for the p4p current rankings only if come out of retirement and go at light heavyweight to beat the shit out of Canelo again, how I would love that !
We can not historical compare them yet because Pac is still active, who knows he can go up to cruiserweight and give Usyk the worst ever beating (anyone misses Xaduboxer ?)
So we can compare them only in a hypothetical situation in which Pac retire tomorrow and achieve nothing more. In this case it's a very difficult task, they are both in the same league, the league of the ATG , Pac accomplished a bit more but Floyd beat Pac in the direct confrontation ...
My answer :
I rank Duran higher than Hearns.
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I personally rank Pac higher based on actually taking on a lot more difficult fights and though losing some, winning most. I respect that more than cherry picking which Floyd did for a good decade. Plus we shouldn't kid ourselves that Floyd didn't arguably lose fights too. He was very lucky to get away with a few decisions.
Both excellent fighterss, but I prefer the man that fights anyone and I don't really consider their face off all that meaningful. I think Pac was genuinely injured and clearly not quite what he was 5 years previously. Sure Floyd is older, but Manny has a style that ages and to be fair he has lasted a long time with it by boxing more and fighting in spurts.
Rubbish.
The man that fights anyone.?!
So pretty boy never existed?
How can you judge which fighter in history fought anyone..this is business..manny had to fight Marquez 3 times (or was it 4?!) and we all know how that ended.
Floyd fighting Marquez was one of his easiest fights..Floyd has the ability to adjust and make his opponent quit mentally and survive for the payday..imagine being caught with a pull counter everytime..makes you reluctant..very reluctant to make that mistake again.
Is Porter a better fighter than Spence because Porter isn’t afraid to fight everyone?!
Please.
Why you're still giving credit to Floyd for beating a much smaller 37 years old, past his best Marquez ?
I remember we had an argument on this subject a few years ago, the time this fight happened Marquez was a proven lightweight ( he fought two times at lightweight after that), he was dragged 4 division north of his best weight by one of the most skillful fighter ever, he never had a chance.
I,m not saying he would have beat Floyd (possible though) if they were the same size but I'm pretty sure it would have been much closer.
I'm also not blaming either of them for taken this fight, Juan Manuel got his biggest payday, Floyd was coming out from the retirement ("The Punisher" was more preferred) but we shouldn't consider it a fair fight.
The weight situation was definitely unfair, but JMM was definitely still at the top of his game at that point. He clear #2 p4p. He would have been #1 had he gotten the decision against pacquiao in their second fight (which I had him winning by a point).
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iwng100
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imp
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Gandalf
I personally rank Pac higher based on actually taking on a lot more difficult fights and though losing some, winning most. I respect that more than cherry picking which Floyd did for a good decade. Plus we shouldn't kid ourselves that Floyd didn't arguably lose fights too. He was very lucky to get away with a few decisions.
Both excellent fighterss, but I prefer the man that fights anyone and I don't really consider their face off all that meaningful. I think Pac was genuinely injured and clearly not quite what he was 5 years previously. Sure Floyd is older, but Manny has a style that ages and to be fair he has lasted a long time with it by boxing more and fighting in spurts.
Rubbish.
The man that fights anyone.?!
So pretty boy never existed?
How can you judge which fighter in history fought anyone..this is business..manny had to fight Marquez 3 times (or was it 4?!) and we all know how that ended.
Floyd fighting Marquez was one of his easiest fights..Floyd has the ability to adjust and make his opponent quit mentally and survive for the payday..imagine being caught with a pull counter everytime..makes you reluctant..very reluctant to make that mistake again.
Is Porter a better fighter than Spence because Porter isn’t afraid to fight everyone?!
Please.
Why you're still giving credit to Floyd for beating a much smaller 37 years old, past his best Marquez ?
I remember we had an argument on this subject a few years ago, the time this fight happened Marquez was a proven lightweight ( he fought two times at lightweight after that), he was dragged 4 division north of his best weight by one of the most skillful fighter ever, he never had a chance.
I,m not saying he would have beat Floyd (possible though) if they were the same size but I'm pretty sure it would have been much closer.
I'm also not blaming either of them for taken this fight, Juan Manuel got his biggest payday, Floyd was coming out from the retirement ("The Punisher" was more preferred) but we shouldn't consider it a fair fight.
The weight situation was definitely unfair, but JMM was definitely still at the top of his game at that point. He clear #2 p4p. He would have been #1 had he gotten the decision against pacquiao in their second fight (which I had him winning by a point).
Floyd never even bothered to make the weight either.
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powerpuncher
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iwng100
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imp
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Gandalf
I personally rank Pac higher based on actually taking on a lot more difficult fights and though losing some, winning most. I respect that more than cherry picking which Floyd did for a good decade. Plus we shouldn't kid ourselves that Floyd didn't arguably lose fights too. He was very lucky to get away with a few decisions.
Both excellent fighterss, but I prefer the man that fights anyone and I don't really consider their face off all that meaningful. I think Pac was genuinely injured and clearly not quite what he was 5 years previously. Sure Floyd is older, but Manny has a style that ages and to be fair he has lasted a long time with it by boxing more and fighting in spurts.
Rubbish.
The man that fights anyone.?!
So pretty boy never existed?
How can you judge which fighter in history fought anyone..this is business..manny had to fight Marquez 3 times (or was it 4?!) and we all know how that ended.
Floyd fighting Marquez was one of his easiest fights..Floyd has the ability to adjust and make his opponent quit mentally and survive for the payday..imagine being caught with a pull counter everytime..makes you reluctant..very reluctant to make that mistake again.
Is Porter a better fighter than Spence because Porter isn’t afraid to fight everyone?!
Please.
Why you're still giving credit to Floyd for beating a much smaller 37 years old, past his best Marquez ?
I remember we had an argument on this subject a few years ago, the time this fight happened Marquez was a proven lightweight ( he fought two times at lightweight after that), he was dragged 4 division north of his best weight by one of the most skillful fighter ever, he never had a chance.
I,m not saying he would have beat Floyd (possible though) if they were the same size but I'm pretty sure it would have been much closer.
I'm also not blaming either of them for taken this fight, Juan Manuel got his biggest payday, Floyd was coming out from the retirement ("The Punisher" was more preferred) but we shouldn't consider it a fair fight.
The weight situation was definitely unfair, but
JMM was definitely still at the top of his game at that point. He clear #2 p4p. He would have been #1 had he gotten the decision against pacquiao in their second fight (which I had him winning by a point).
Fair enough, I might have exaggerated but I still think he was a few years and a couple of divisions far from his peak, remember his fight against Joel Casamayor (just before Floyd Fight), a very good boxer but definitely past his best, a very even fight until Joel run out of gas in the tenth round.
Anyway my point was the fight was unfair and I give Floyd the same credit I give to Loma for beating Rigo, next to nothing. Great fighters like them never lose to much smaller guys no matter how good are they.
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I personally rank Pac higher based on actually taking on a lot more difficult fights and though losing some, winning most. I respect that more than cherry picking which Floyd did for a good decade. Plus we shouldn't kid ourselves that Floyd didn't arguably lose fights too. He was very lucky to get away with a few decisions.
Both excellent fighterss, but I prefer the man that fights anyone and I don't really consider their face off all that meaningful. I think Pac was genuinely injured and clearly not quite what he was 5 years previously. Sure Floyd is older, but Manny has a style that ages and to be fair he has lasted a long time with it by boxing more and fighting in spurts.
Rubbish.
The man that fights anyone.?!
So pretty boy never existed?
How can you judge which fighter in history fought anyone..this is business..manny had to fight Marquez 3 times (or was it 4?!) and we all know how that ended.
Floyd fighting Marquez was one of his easiest fights..Floyd has the ability to adjust and make his opponent quit mentally and survive for the payday..imagine being caught with a pull counter everytime..makes you reluctant..very reluctant to make that mistake again.
Is Porter a better fighter than Spence because Porter isn’t afraid to fight everyone?!
Please.
Why you're still giving credit to Floyd for beating a much smaller 37 years old, past his best Marquez ?
I remember we had an argument on this subject a few years ago, the time this fight happened Marquez was a proven lightweight ( he fought two times at lightweight after that), he was dragged 4 division north of his best weight by one of the most skillful fighter ever, he never had a chance.
I,m not saying he would have beat Floyd (possible though) if they were the same size but I'm pretty sure it would have been much closer.
I'm also not blaming either of them for taken this fight, Juan Manuel got his biggest payday, Floyd was coming out from the retirement ("The Punisher" was more preferred) but we shouldn't consider it a fair fight.
This is getting silly.
Every mutual opponent Pac and Floyd faced..Floyd won..when they faced each other..Floyd won.
No one is saying Pac isn’t great or is not a HOF..he is a special fighter but unfortunately he came up short against Floyd...and Marquez, Bradley, Horn, and the others.
Would you choose Duran as the best out of the x3 Hall of famers in Leonard, Hagler and Hearns?!
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Master
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powerpuncher
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iwng100
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Gandalf
I personally rank Pac higher based on actually taking on a lot more difficult fights and though losing some, winning most. I respect that more than cherry picking which Floyd did for a good decade. Plus we shouldn't kid ourselves that Floyd didn't arguably lose fights too. He was very lucky to get away with a few decisions.
Both excellent fighterss, but I prefer the man that fights anyone and I don't really consider their face off all that meaningful. I think Pac was genuinely injured and clearly not quite what he was 5 years previously. Sure Floyd is older, but Manny has a style that ages and to be fair he has lasted a long time with it by boxing more and fighting in spurts.
Rubbish.
The man that fights anyone.?!
So pretty boy never existed?
How can you judge which fighter in history fought anyone..this is business..manny had to fight Marquez 3 times (or was it 4?!) and we all know how that ended.
Floyd fighting Marquez was one of his easiest fights..Floyd has the ability to adjust and make his opponent quit mentally and survive for the payday..imagine being caught with a pull counter everytime..makes you reluctant..very reluctant to make that mistake again.
Is Porter a better fighter than Spence because Porter isn’t afraid to fight everyone?!
Please.
Why you're still giving credit to Floyd for beating a much smaller 37 years old, past his best Marquez ?
I remember we had an argument on this subject a few years ago, the time this fight happened Marquez was a proven lightweight ( he fought two times at lightweight after that), he was dragged 4 division north of his best weight by one of the most skillful fighter ever, he never had a chance.
I,m not saying he would have beat Floyd (possible though) if they were the same size but I'm pretty sure it would have been much closer.
I'm also not blaming either of them for taken this fight, Juan Manuel got his biggest payday, Floyd was coming out from the retirement ("The Punisher" was more preferred) but we shouldn't consider it a fair fight.
The weight situation was definitely unfair, but JMM was definitely still at the top of his game at that point. He clear #2 p4p. He would have been #1 had he gotten the decision against pacquiao in their second fight (which I had him winning by a point).
Floyd never even bothered to make the weight either.
Weight wasn’t a problem when Pac schooled Margacheata and all the other fighters he was smaller than..do we want to talk about the PED allegations as well?
Floyd was the smaller B side man against a bigger A side Oscar..Floyd is much smarter than Pac in the ring and has the ability to adjust..Just respect both fighters and leave the fantasy match ups out of history.
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Impy is very aggressive when it comes to his hero Floyd. Quite sweet really.
Floyd did not make weight against JMM, even when he was the bigger man. Weak move.
Did I mention IV allegations against him which he got away with in Vegas. No wonder he never fought anywhere else where they would not allow him those injections in his hands.
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imp
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iwng100
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imp
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Gandalf
I personally rank Pac higher based on actually taking on a lot more difficult fights and though losing some, winning most. I respect that more than cherry picking which Floyd did for a good decade. Plus we shouldn't kid ourselves that Floyd didn't arguably lose fights too. He was very lucky to get away with a few decisions.
Both excellent fighterss, but I prefer the man that fights anyone and I don't really consider their face off all that meaningful. I think Pac was genuinely injured and clearly not quite what he was 5 years previously. Sure Floyd is older, but Manny has a style that ages and to be fair he has lasted a long time with it by boxing more and fighting in spurts.
Rubbish.
The man that fights anyone.?!
So pretty boy never existed?
How can you judge which fighter in history fought anyone..this is business..manny had to fight Marquez 3 times (or was it 4?!) and we all know how that ended.
Floyd fighting Marquez was one of his easiest fights..Floyd has the ability to adjust and make his opponent quit mentally and survive for the payday..imagine being caught with a pull counter everytime..makes you reluctant..very reluctant to make that mistake again.
Is Porter a better fighter than Spence because Porter isn’t afraid to fight everyone?!
Please.
Why you're still giving credit to Floyd for beating a much smaller 37 years old, past his best Marquez ?
I remember we had an argument on this subject a few years ago, the time this fight happened Marquez was a proven lightweight ( he fought two times at lightweight after that), he was dragged 4 division north of his best weight by one of the most skillful fighter ever, he never had a chance.
I,m not saying he would have beat Floyd (possible though) if they were the same size but I'm pretty sure it would have been much closer.
I'm also not blaming either of them for taken this fight, Juan Manuel got his biggest payday, Floyd was coming out from the retirement ("The Punisher" was more preferred) but we shouldn't consider it a fair fight.
This is getting silly.
Every mutual opponent Pac and Floyd faced..Floyd won..when they faced each other..Floyd won.
No one is saying Pac isn’t great or is not a HOF..he is a special fighter but unfortunately he came up short against Floyd...and Marquez, Bradley, Horn, and the others.
Would you choose Duran as the best out of the x3 Hall of famers in Leonard, Hagler and Hearns?!
I quoted you only regarding the fight between Marquez end Floyd, that's why I put in bold that sentence in your post. It had nothing to do with the topic of this thread.
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imp
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iwng100
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I personally rank Pac higher based on actually taking on a lot more difficult fights and though losing some, winning most. I respect that more than cherry picking which Floyd did for a good decade. Plus we shouldn't kid ourselves that Floyd didn't arguably lose fights too. He was very lucky to get away with a few decisions.
Both excellent fighterss, but I prefer the man that fights anyone and I don't really consider their face off all that meaningful. I think Pac was genuinely injured and clearly not quite what he was 5 years previously. Sure Floyd is older, but Manny has a style that ages and to be fair he has lasted a long time with it by boxing more and fighting in spurts.
Rubbish.
The man that fights anyone.?!
So pretty boy never existed?
How can you judge which fighter in history fought anyone..this is business..manny had to fight Marquez 3 times (or was it 4?!) and we all know how that ended.
Floyd fighting Marquez was one of his easiest fights..Floyd has the ability to adjust and make his opponent quit mentally and survive for the payday..imagine being caught with a pull counter everytime..makes you reluctant..very reluctant to make that mistake again.
Is Porter a better fighter than Spence because Porter isn’t afraid to fight everyone?!
Please.
Why you're still giving credit to Floyd for beating a much smaller 37 years old, past his best Marquez ?
I remember we had an argument on this subject a few years ago, the time this fight happened Marquez was a proven lightweight ( he fought two times at lightweight after that), he was dragged 4 division north of his best weight by one of the most skillful fighter ever, he never had a chance.
I,m not saying he would have beat Floyd (possible though) if they were the same size but I'm pretty sure it would have been much closer.
I'm also not blaming either of them for taken this fight, Juan Manuel got his biggest payday, Floyd was coming out from the retirement ("The Punisher" was more preferred) but we shouldn't consider it a fair fight.
This is getting silly.
Every mutual opponent Pac and Floyd faced..Floyd won..when they faced each other..Floyd won.
No one is saying Pac isn’t great or is not a HOF..he is a special fighter but unfortunately he came up short against Floyd...and Marquez, Bradley, Horn, and the others.
Would you choose Duran as the best out of the x3 Hall of famers in Leonard, Hagler and Hearns?!
In the other post, which was on topic this time, I said I rank Duran higher than Hearns despite the fact Hearns beat Duran, I never mentioned SRL or Hagler.
So my point was that the winner of a fight is not always greater than the loser. I don't think anyone here dispute the fact that Floyd is better than Pac , which means is more skillful, but some of us thinks Pac achieved more, therefore is greater than Floyd.
Please don't be mad we have a different opinion, we I don't even pretend I'm right, it's just my opinion.
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Gandalf
I personally rank Pac higher based on actually taking on a lot more difficult fights and though losing some, winning most. I respect that more than cherry picking which Floyd did for a good decade. Plus we shouldn't kid ourselves that Floyd didn't arguably lose fights too. He was very lucky to get away with a few decisions.
Both excellent fighterss, but I prefer the man that fights anyone and I don't really consider their face off all that meaningful. I think Pac was genuinely injured and clearly not quite what he was 5 years previously. Sure Floyd is older, but Manny has a style that ages and to be fair he has lasted a long time with it by boxing more and fighting in spurts.
Rubbish.
The man that fights anyone.?!
So pretty boy never existed?
How can you judge which fighter in history fought anyone..this is business..manny had to fight Marquez 3 times (or was it 4?!) and we all know how that ended.
Floyd fighting Marquez was one of his easiest fights..Floyd has the ability to adjust and make his opponent quit mentally and survive for the payday..imagine being caught with a pull counter everytime..makes you reluctant..very reluctant to make that mistake again.
Is Porter a better fighter than Spence because Porter isn’t afraid to fight everyone?!
Please.
I said both excellent fighters, but you whine 'rubbish'. That is the sign of a fanboy and when you bring in 'Pretty Boy' you add a curious homo eroticism. It is cute.
The Marquez comparison is lame. Marquez was flabby and cheated on at the scales. I cannot even believe you argue that as a meaningful comparison. And styles make fights anyway. It is why Pac destroyed prime Cotto, but Floyd struggled at times
Pac might have lost fights, but he did not avoid fights and I respect that more. It is as simple as that for me. I don't care about protecting an 0 in the pursuit of money.