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Thread for big D and his apologists
@Denilson-The-Comeback could you please keep your white hate in this thread? Thanks my brother. I notice you are trying to spew your white tiger bullshit etc wherever you can filling up the forum with you racist shit. If you could use this as your venting place the whites, Indians, Jews etc can pop in from time to time and see what your little mind is brewing
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Re: Denilson our brother hate thread/personal thread
@Master and the rest of you lazy mods please move brother big Ds posts here or I will petition saddo to be the official big D mod
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Re: Denilson our brother hate thread/personal thread
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Re: Denilson our brother hate thread/personal thread
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Master and the rest of you lazy mods please move brother big Ds posts here or I will petition saddo to be the official big D mod
What's wrong with Denilson's perfectly reasonable questions? Miles thinks blacks are mentally inferior to whites, he acknowledged Denilson's questions were fair.
Stop shit-stirring bully boy. Are you disappointed nobody took the bait in your good buddy Tito's thread?
Instead of censoring people who want to chat, how about you keep all your shit stirring in here?
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Re: Walrus shit stirring thread/personal hate thread
Nope. That is too broad a generalization. You missed the part where I said that there are people with high intelligence levels in any racial group. I don't for a minute think think any race is 'inferior' meaning of a lower status. Everyone has the same rights in my world.
Take this debate with Candace Owens and Russell Brand. It is like listening to the voices in my head clashing away. Neither is superior or inferior based on race. They are just good examples of intelligent white and black people. You don't see me saying 'Brand is better because he is white'.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F-OeKV1JZGI
There are talented people within any group and a bunch of lazy people too. It is about pointing out general differences as a way of understanding ourselves better. If you think environment and nurture is important, as I do, then you look at patterns and say 'This group has few broken families and this group has many. Could that be a factor?' Then you go across other differences one by one and that is one way to find ways of improving things. Harking on about slavery when we were all slaves is something I don't adhere to or hating on the entite white populace. Let that go and focus on bettering yourself in the here and now as that is all you really have.
The fact is that there are IQ differences, but there are factors that can cause that, not necessarily genes, though that of course has been argued. It could well be the case as we have all evolved differently but I couldn't say that without ruling out all other possibilities. So read the books, work hard, and see if you can do better. Don't join a gang and don't copy your parents. That's a start.
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Re: Walrus shit stirring thread/personal hate thread
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Nope. That is too broad a generalization. You missed the part where I said that there are people with high intelligence levels in any racial group. I don't for a minute think think any race is 'inferior' meaning of a lower status. Everyone has the same rights in my world.
Take this debate with Candace Owens and Russell Brand. It is like listening to the voices in my head clashing away. Neither is superior or inferior based on race. They are just good examples of intelligent white and black people. You don't see me saying 'Brand is better because he is white'.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F-OeKV1JZGI
There are talented people within any group and a bunch of lazy people too. It is about pointing out general differences as a way of understanding ourselves better. If you think environment and nurture is important, as I do, then you look at patterns and say 'This group has few broken families and this group has many. Could that be a factor?' Then you go across other differences one by one and that is one way to find ways of improving things. Harking on about slavery when we were all slaves is something I don't adhere to or hating on the entite white populace. Let that go and focus on bettering yourself in the here and now as that is all you really have.
The fact is that there are IQ differences, but there are factors that can cause that, not necessarily genes, though that of course has been argued. It could well be the case as we have all evolved differently but I couldn't say that without ruling out all other possibilities. So read the books, work hard, and see if you can do better. Don't join a gang and don't copy your parents. That's a start.
You're trying to dress up saying blacks are mentally inferior with - Not all!!! Not all!!!
Reason? It's nature, nurture, genes, evolution, environment or maybe it's not. Who knows? Everyone was a slave? No need to complain.
You've not once addressed the criticism of the Bell Curve or data.
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Re: Walrus shit stirring thread/personal hate thread
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
The fact is that there are IQ differences, but there are factors that can cause that, not necessarily genes, though that of course has been argued. It could well be the case as we have all evolved differently but I couldn't say that without ruling out all other possibilities. So read the books, work hard, and see if you can do better. Don't join a gang and don't copy your parents. That's a start.
If you are trying to ground IQ as a genetic product of race the very first thing you need to do is offer up a genetic or biological definition of race,
Something no one has not done nor has any study. But I always, sit back, invite guys like you to me give such a definition. Mainly because their fumbling attempts to define race point out just how subjective such definitions are.
In close to a decade of debating race and IQ and genetics.
I have yet to see any one of them, no matter what their scientific c credentials, offer up an acceptably neutral definition of race.
No-one has shown that human variation is great enough to account for differences of IQ, nor has anyone established the veracity of IQ as a legitimate measurement.
No one has provided an inextricable link between genetics, race, and IQ outside of methodologically flawed correlations. They make the claim, then they prove the claim.
The fact that they or you are incapable of doing so makes my life very easy.
Which are those “races” then, purely scientifically speaking and in clear text ? What are the precise genetic criteria for making this classification ?
Those questions can obviously only be answered in arbitrary dimensions which are man-made constructs according to human perception alone. However you twist it, you will run in circles and eventually spiral back into concepts based on human perception alone.
Do you even know what a scientific fact is ?
A scientific fact is that rain water freezes at 0°C at a pressure of 1 bar.
There’s no human choice involved. It’s observable and reproducible anywhere by anybody in the exact same way. Now a scientific fact, peer-reviewed, confirmed and approved, can have political consequences. Using the simple water example, it means that public administration, set into function by politics, orders winter road service to get ready once the temperatures fall below 0°C and the roads are wet.
But yet you throw around concepts that have no constant repeatability everywhere you try to reproduce the experiment or apply the theoretical claim.
In natural science, only one single significant deviation is enough to render the claim at least disputable, at worst invalid.
The reality is that there is not only one but a multitude of deviations that those “scientists” choose to ignore. You are trying to make an absolutist claim by using extremely relative variables – variables, which (as should be obvious by now) they can’t even be bothered to define in relativist fashion.
In neurology no one takes IQ seriously.
It is archaic and only really useful to social scientists. Neurologists who have a better understanding of how the brain works because they spend decades of their lives studying it have little to no use for it, but to the public at large it is so important.
Why is that ?
I mean - Serial Killer (Ted Bundy) supposedly had an IQ off the chart. But would it be correct to say that a guy who used to slit women from their vagina to their neck was intelligent ?
Alfred Binet created IQ test’s to see which children weren’t profiting from the Parisian school system, not so that they could be labelled stupid but so new educational programs could be created to help those children.
I think he was physic because he was afraid that his tests would be misused for nepharious reasons and he could not have been more right, because once the certain people got a hold of it, it took on a whole new meaning.
And this is why you don't drive your arguments to it's logical conclusion
That is
If IQ is so important and so trustworthy, then why not give all the top positions to those with the highest IQ? Why have elections? Why have job interviews or resumes? Why not have birth licences or sterilization based on IQ?
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Re: Walrus shit stirring thread/personal hate thread
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Denilson-The-Comeback could you please keep your white hate in this thread? Thanks my brother. I notice you are trying to spew your white tiger bullshit etc wherever you can filling up the forum with you racist shit. If you could use this as your venting place the whites, Indians, Jews etc can pop in from time to time and see what your little mind is brewing
What white hate ?
Whenever I say bad things about white people it's always to do with their racism
I do not make fun of how they talk or dress or look.
I do not say that whites are mentally inferior to blacks
I do not hold up their poorest and most criminal elements as “what white people are like”.
I do not excuse violence against them saying that whites kill each other all the time.
I do not make racist jokes about them.
I do not call them racial slurs or compare them to animals.
I do not call for their genocide or ethnic cleansing.
The problem you have is that you think I'm trying to persuade you and others in saddo.
I'm not
Persuading whites to give up the benefits of racism is way, way, way beyond my powers.
I write about racism for my own understanding and bear in mind I never start topics on race
For some reason your expect me to write to your white point of view.
As if there are not enough people doing that already.
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Re: Denilson our brother hate thread/personal thread
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Master and the rest of you lazy mods please move brother big Ds posts here or I will petition saddo to be the official big D mod
What's wrong with Denilson's perfectly reasonable questions? Miles thinks blacks are mentally inferior to whites, he acknowledged Denilson's questions were fair.
Stop shit-stirring
bully boy. Are you disappointed nobody took the bait in your good buddy Tito's thread?
Instead of censoring people who want to chat, how about you keep all your shit stirring in here?
This is brother big D’s thread. What are you talking about tits thread? I’m not censoring big D, I’m giving him his own place. Lighten up twinkle it’s not that serious. Don’t get you gang on me
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Re: Denilson our brother hate thread/personal thread
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Master and the rest of you lazy mods please move brother big Ds posts here or I will petition saddo to be the official big D mod
What's wrong with Denilson's perfectly reasonable questions? Miles thinks blacks are mentally inferior to whites, he acknowledged Denilson's questions were fair.
Stop shit-stirring
bully boy.
Are you disappointed nobody took the bait in your good buddy Tito's thread?
Instead of censoring people who want to chat, how about you keep all your shit stirring in here?
This is brother big D’s thread. What are you talking about tits thread? I’m not censoring big D, I’m giving him his own place. Lighten up twinkle it’s not that serious. Don’t get you gang on me
You should understand @Fenster (the laconic member of "Beanie & Fenny") by now, @walrus .
By "bait", of course you know he means a thread made with an honest attempt at discussing things civilly and maturely.
Obviously this is like garlic to a vampire, in that Fenny only wants conflict and hostility.
That much he's shown beyond a shadow of a doubt.
(BTW, I'm still trying to figure out if laconic is the British term for asshole).
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Re: Walrus shit stirring thread/personal hate thread
IQ tests do not even measure intelligence. That is just a learned rote response, little more sophisticated then spewing out the word 'Welfare' four times in one sentence, by somebody very heavily invested in repeating a lie, in a story which always makes them the hero. All IQ does is measure western teachable skills. Like Psychologists, very dull and ill informed, but privileged teachers and lecturers are often very heavily invested in this belief that intelligence is innate, a bit like Chomsky's daft innate grammar proposal in linguistics. The idea even, of a cultural element to intelligence is an anathema to them. That is the very serious flaw in western ideas of intelligence. Being so divorced from the environment that people of course do not realise how we can not exist apart from it, and it's influence, even if you lock yourself in a concrete tomb and just drink tea and read books. (That would though of course explain, quite how someone could develop such a narrow repetitive mindset that churned out the same rubbish for years on end.)
Abstraction is cultural and it is the development of this ability that will be far more valuable than somebody with a high IQ result and an old fashioned literal mindedness that will see them condemn humans to repeating the same mistakes until we are wiped out. Creativity in any form is hugely more valuable to a modern human, in a world in which 3 yr olds can use gestures to navigate the complex symbolism of a virtual world on a tablet.
IQ test are basically a way of saying if you are not like me then you are a cunt. No wonder sociopaths do so well in them.
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Re: Walrus shit stirring thread/personal hate thread
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Originally Posted by
Denilson-The-Comeback
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Denilson-The-Comeback could you please keep your white hate in this thread? Thanks my brother. I notice you are trying to spew your white tiger bullshit etc wherever you can filling up the forum with you racist shit. If you could use this as your venting place the whites, Indians, Jews etc can pop in from time to time and see what your little mind is brewing
What white hate ?
Whenever I say bad things about white people it's always to do with their racism
I do not make fun of how they talk or dress or look.
I do not say that whites are mentally inferior to blacks
I do not hold up their poorest and most criminal elements as “what white people are like”.
I do not excuse violence against them saying that whites kill each other all the time.
I do not make racist jokes about them.
I do not call them racial slurs or compare them to animals.
I do not call for their genocide or ethnic cleansing.
The problem you have is that you think I'm trying to persuade you and others in saddo.
I'm not
Persuading whites to give up the benefits of racism is way, way, way beyond my powers.
I write about racism for my own understanding and bear in mind I never start topics on race
For some reason your expect me to write to your white point of view.
As if there are not enough people doing that already.
I don’t care what you write big D but your racist stuff gets everywhere
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Re: Denilson our brother hate thread/personal thread
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TIC
Make white babies?
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Re: Wally and Tits exposed.
Oh look....... @Fenster of "Beanie & Fenny" fame used his little Mod powers to change the title of the thread.
How adorable!!
I swear I've never seen anything so childish among supposed adults since..... since..... well, never I guess.
How fucking sweet....
Do you have your own little polo shirts with a logo and everything?
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Re: Wally and Tits exposed.
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TitoFan
Oh look....... @
Fenster of
"Beanie & Fenny" fame used his little Mod powers to change the title of the thread.
How adorable!!
I swear I've never seen anything so childish among supposed adults since..... since..... well, never I guess.
How fucking sweet....
Do you have your own little polo shirts with a logo and everything?
You can delete it but you can't reword it. ;) ;)
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Re: Wally and Tits exposed.
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Oh look....... @
Fenster of
"Beanie & Fenny" fame used his little Mod powers to change the title of the thread.
How adorable!!
I swear I've never seen anything so childish among supposed adults since..... since..... well, never I guess.
How fucking sweet....
Do you have your own little polo shirts with a logo and everything?
You can delete it but you can't reword it. ;) ;)
Fuck, I'll double quote it. Except with his little Mod powers, Fenny's liable to do anything at this point that he's been ridiculed to the ends of the Earth and back. ;) :p
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Re: Denilson our brother hate thread/personal thread
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Master and the rest of you lazy mods please move brother big Ds posts here or I will petition saddo to be the official big D mod
What's wrong with Denilson's perfectly reasonable questions? Miles thinks blacks are mentally inferior to whites, he acknowledged Denilson's questions were fair.
Stop shit-stirring
bully boy.
Are you disappointed nobody took the bait in your good buddy Tito's thread?
Instead of censoring people who want to chat, how about you keep all your shit stirring in here?
This is brother big D’s thread. What are you talking about tits thread? I’m not censoring big D, I’m giving him his own place. Lighten up twinkle it’s not that serious. Don’t get you gang on me
You should understand @
Fenster (the laconic member of "Beanie & Fenny") by now, @
walrus .
By "bait", of course you know he means a thread made with an honest attempt at discussing things civilly and maturely.
Obviously this is like garlic to a vampire, in that Fenny only wants conflict and hostility.
That much he's shown beyond a shadow of a doubt.
(BTW, I'm still trying to figure out if laconic is the British term for asshole).
A forum moderator calling a thread meant to establish civil discussion "bait".
I just want that to sink in a little bit.
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Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
Whoa.....
A slight return to normalcy.
Gesture appreciated, whoever changed the title back....
Once again. I started a thread inviting people to go in there and have civil discussions, and first it was crashed by our resident racist..... and then it was called "bait" by a forum moderator.
What is this world coming to... ;) :p :-X
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Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Whoa.....
A slight return to normalcy.
Gesture appreciated, whoever changed the title back....
Once again. I started a thread inviting people to go in there and have civil discussions, and first it was crashed by our resident racist..... and then it was called "bait" by a forum moderator.
What is this world coming to... ;) :p :-X
That's sort of the point of the entire forum bud :-\. That's been established yeh. And it was a bit of bait let's be honest.
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Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Whoa.....
A slight return to normalcy.
Gesture appreciated, whoever changed the title back....
Once again. I started a thread inviting people to go in there and have civil discussions, and first it was crashed by our resident racist..... and then it was called "bait" by a forum moderator.
What is this world coming to... ;) :p :-X
That's sort of the point of the entire forum bud :-\. That's been established yeh. And it was a bit of bait let's be honest.
Good, I’m glad you said that, please tell me how tits having a civil thread is bait I’m curious
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I’m getting confused by fenald changing the thread name. It must have really hit a nerve as I haven’t seen him do it like this before. I also have yet to see anyone defend big brother D and defend his posts.
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Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Whoa.....
A slight return to normalcy.
Gesture appreciated, whoever changed the title back....
Once again. I started a thread inviting people to go in there and have civil discussions, and first it was crashed by our resident racist..... and then it was called "bait" by a forum moderator.
What is this world coming to... ;) :p :-X
That's sort of the point of the entire forum bud :-\. That's been established yeh. And it was a bit of bait let's be honest.
Good, I’m glad you said that, please tell me how tits having a civil thread is bait I’m curious
It's done for a reaction and suggests incivility is the norm I suppose. And so what if Fenster calls it bait. Baits a bit like making a thread calling out mods or other members and poking and prodding.
If one really wants to be civil, simply do it ???.
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Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Whoa.....
A slight return to normalcy.
Gesture appreciated, whoever changed the title back....
Once again. I started a thread inviting people to go in there and have civil discussions, and first it was crashed by our resident racist..... and then it was called "bait" by a forum moderator.
What is this world coming to... ;) :p :-X
That's sort of the point of the entire forum bud :-\. That's been established yeh. And it was a bit of bait let's be honest.
Good, I’m glad you said that, please tell me how tits having a civil thread is bait I’m curious
It's done for a reaction and suggests incivility is the norm I suppose. And so what if Fenster calls it bait. Baits a bit like making a thread calling out mods or other members and poking and prodding.
If one really wants to be civil, simply do it ???.
I think that’s reading too much into it. Much like beanz and his truce threads. They didn’t work but the intent was honorable. As far as calling out the mods I did that in the big D thread but it wasn’t serious. I think on occasion people feel the need to call or ask for chill. If even that is now called shit stirring I don’t know what to say.
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Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Whoa.....
A slight return to normalcy.
Gesture appreciated, whoever changed the title back....
Once again. I started a thread inviting people to go in there and have civil discussions, and first it was crashed by our resident racist..... and then it was called "bait" by a forum moderator.
What is this world coming to... ;) :p :-X
That's sort of the point of the entire forum bud :-\. That's been established yeh. And it was a bit of bait let's be honest.
Good, I’m glad you said that, please tell me how tits having a civil thread is bait I’m curious
It's done for a reaction and suggests incivility is the norm I suppose. And so what if Fenster calls it bait. Baits a bit like making a thread calling out mods or other members and poking and prodding.
If one really wants to be civil, simply do it ???.
I think that’s reading too much into it. Much like beanz and his truce threads. They didn’t work but the intent was honorable. As far as calling out the mods I did that in the big D thread but it wasn’t serious. I think on occasion people feel the need to call or ask for chill. If even that is now called shit stirring I don’t know what to say.
Chill is good. It's sometimes what mods look for but not sure I didn't receive an instructions manual. The shit stirring comes when people start reacting to lack of reaction, the redundant poke nudge ramp up.
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Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Whoa.....
A slight return to normalcy.
Gesture appreciated, whoever changed the title back....
Once again. I started a thread inviting people to go in there and have civil discussions, and first it was crashed by our resident racist..... and then it was called "bait" by a forum moderator.
What is this world coming to... ;) :p :-X
That's sort of the point of the entire forum bud :-\. That's been established yeh. And it was a bit of bait let's be honest.
Good, I’m glad you said that, please tell me how tits having a civil thread is bait I’m curious
It's done for a reaction and suggests incivility is the norm I suppose. And so what if Fenster calls it bait. Baits a bit like making a thread calling out mods or other members and poking and prodding.
If one really wants to be civil, simply do it ???.
I think that’s reading too much into it. Much like beanz and his truce threads. They didn’t work but the intent was honorable. As far as calling out the mods I did that in the big D thread but it wasn’t serious. I think on occasion people feel the need to call or ask for chill. If even that is now called shit stirring I don’t know what to say.
Chill is good. It's sometimes what mods look for but not sure I didn't receive an instructions manual. The shit stirring comes when people start reacting to lack of reaction, the redundant poke nudge ramp up.
The two threads that brought this most recent thing on were not poking. Maybe at big D asking him to keep his racist shit in one place but he can just ignore that anyway. My thing about the mods going after him and me petitioning saddo to be big D’s official mod I thought were quite obviously jokes. Tits doing the civil thread was just face value so I don’t understand the issue
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Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Whoa.....
A slight return to normalcy.
Gesture appreciated, whoever changed the title back....
Once again. I started a thread inviting people to go in there and have civil discussions, and first it was crashed by our resident racist..... and then it was called "bait" by a forum moderator.
What is this world coming to... ;) :p :-X
That's sort of the point of the entire forum bud :-\. That's been established yeh.
And it was a bit of bait let's be honest.
No. No it wasn't. And I'm disappointed if not surprised that you would go along with the popular (if only by two people) narrative.
It's a bit presumptuous to claim to know the reasoning behind a thread like that, unless we've known each other for longer than we have.
That's what's wrong with trying to read between the lines. Sometimes there ARE no in-betweens and then it becomes a matter of making things up at our convenience.
There's something to be said for reading things at face value.
So proceed with the "buds" in response, but at this point I pretty much don't care. You (and whomever) will believe what you want to believe, whether it's sworn on a stack of Bibles or not.
Sad, really.
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I would actually use the PM or chat functions if I thought it was going to do any good.
But it's painfully obvious the three of you have long made up your minds as to the intentions behind anything I say, so there's that.
Sad commentary on the state of things, really... when one cannot even attempt to honestly engage, leaving past differences behind and starting from scratch.
In that regard, I consider myself fortunate that I'm able to do that in real life, and that mirrors my ability to do the same in a forum.
The fact that not everyone is capable/willing to do so in a forum is well....... very telling indeed. Forum authorities be damned.
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Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Whoa.....
A slight return to normalcy.
Gesture appreciated, whoever changed the title back....
Once again. I started a thread inviting people to go in there and have civil discussions, and first it was crashed by our resident racist..... and then it was called "bait" by a forum moderator.
What is this world coming to... ;) :p :-X
That's sort of the point of the entire forum bud :-\. That's been established yeh. And it was a bit of bait let's be honest.
Good, I’m glad you said that, please tell me how tits having a civil thread is bait I’m curious
It's done for a reaction and suggests incivility is the norm I suppose. And so what if Fenster calls it bait. Baits a bit like making a thread calling out mods or other members and poking and prodding.
If one really wants to be civil, simply do it ???.
'Cause that has worked wonders so far, hasn't it... :-X
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Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Whoa.....
A slight return to normalcy.
Gesture appreciated, whoever changed the title back....
Once again. I started a thread inviting people to go in there and have civil discussions, and first it was crashed by our resident racist..... and then it was called "bait" by a forum moderator.
What is this world coming to... ;) :p :-X
That's sort of the point of the entire forum bud :-\. That's been established yeh. And it was a bit of bait let's be honest.
Good, I’m glad you said that, please tell me how tits having a civil thread is bait I’m curious
It's done for a reaction and suggests incivility is the norm I suppose. And so what if Fenster calls it bait. Baits a bit like making a thread calling out mods or other members and poking and prodding.
If one really wants to be civil, simply do it ???.
I think that’s reading too much into it. Much like beanz and his truce threads. They didn’t work but the intent was honorable. As far as calling out the mods I did that in the big D thread but it wasn’t serious. I think on occasion people feel the need to call or ask for chill. If even that is now called shit stirring I don’t know what to say.
Chill is good. It's sometimes what mods look for but not sure I didn't receive an instructions manual.
The shit stirring comes when people start reacting to lack of reaction, the redundant poke nudge ramp up.
If we can get past that, we could probably begin to make some progress.
As far as the "let's be honest" about my thread being "bait" well..... think what you will. I'll just state that it wasn't bait, and I'm old enough to know the difference between baiting someone and truthfully attempting to hash out differences in a civil manner. Amazing that my "let's be civil" thread can be called "bait".... but reams upon reams of insult-heaping threads and posts between two people... as well as thread titles being changed at will.... those things are ok and applauded with a wink or two.
I'm not the only one to object to some of the double standards here. I'm just one of the most vocal... and that seems to rub some of you the wrong way.
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Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
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TitoFan
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Spicoli
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TitoFan
Whoa.....
A slight return to normalcy.
Gesture appreciated, whoever changed the title back....
Once again. I started a thread inviting people to go in there and have civil discussions, and first it was crashed by our resident racist..... and then it was called "bait" by a forum moderator.
What is this world coming to... ;) :p :-X
That's sort of the point of the entire forum bud :-\. That's been established yeh.
And it was a bit of bait let's be honest.
No. No it wasn't. And I'm disappointed if not surprised that you would go along with the popular (if only by two people) narrative.
It's a bit presumptuous to claim to know the reasoning behind a thread like that, unless we've known each other for longer than we have.
That's what's wrong with trying to read between the lines. Sometimes there ARE no in-betweens and then it becomes a matter of making things up at our convenience.
There's something to be said for reading things at face value.
So proceed with the "buds" in response, but at this point I pretty much don't care. You (and whomever) will believe what you want to believe, whether it's sworn on a stack of Bibles or not.
Sad, really.
What's presumptuous about telling you exactly what I think and my honest opinion ffs? You feel slighted by Fenster so you start a thread about him. Pretty sure I got a couple of those on my first week :p. You start a thread about being civil, then you go on about my my hey notice who is missing and garlic and vampires and such. You read into particular words or how you're addressed..again..and emojis ffs and lament how 'you two three' uncapable and unwilling of this that and the other. Come off the mount dude.
See literally can't keep up with multi replies ;D but that's what I get for keeping the window open.
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Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
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Spicoli
What's presumptuous about telling you exactly what I think and my honest opinion ffs? You feel slighted by Fenster so you start a thread about him. Pretty sure I got a couple of those on my first week :p. You start a thread about being civil, then you go on about my my hey notice who is missing and garlic and vampires and such. You read into particular words or how you're addressed..again..and emojis ffs and lament how 'you two three' uncapable and unwilling of this that and the other. Come off the mount dude.
Isn't "I felt alluded to by Fenster calling my thread bait" more accurate than "I felt slighted by Fenster" (without the slightest provocation)?
Please note: My "notice who's missing post" came AFTER Fenster called my thread "bait." Why does that little detail go unnoticed in your rush to indict me on being on some kind of mount?
Splitting hairs to you maybe.... but while one guy can start multiple "truce" threads and nobody calls those bait... and yet my own attempt at being civil gets called bait and what.... I'm supposed to turn the other cheek?
As I've said, I'm waaaaay past trying to please anyone on this forum.
I come here to have fun, and it's not me engaging Miles in ream after ream of offensive, tirade-filled, insult-hurling invective thread after nauseating thread.
But it's me certainly warranting the attention of two of Saddo's finest.
No problem.
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Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
Hey spics I find you for the most part, reasonable. All of us are nuts. But why did you hold off on calling this bait until the other dude did. It’s been sitting here for a while, today it became the big bait thing
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Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
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walrus
Hey spics I find you for the most part, reasonable. All of us are nuts. But why did you hold off on calling this bait until the other dude did. It’s been sitting here for a while, today it became the big bait thing
Hey @walrus I 'preciate the chiming in with what I consider to be the obvious question.... but don't get any heat on my behalf.
I've been crystal clear that I wanted this to be a thread where we could drop all pretenses and discuss issues like mature adults. I get told that the entire forum is that, which is obviously not true, given the hundreds of threads where it's just insult after insult. My intentions were good, and they were clearly stated. The thread was called bait long before I alluded to either of the two not coming in here because they'd rather continue the hostilities in the other threads.
It was an ill-advised attempt to maybe make some headway, just like my other thread where I asked the rhetorical question about what would happen if we were to all meet at the same time.
It's painfully obvious that there are at least two people in here who'd much rather continue the hostilities than to even entertain the thought of maybe being civil and discuss our differences as I would hope we would in a face-to-face. I guess it was too much to ask.... and it's much easier to continue the mud-slinging (with the help of two Mods), than to drop the gigantic boulder off your shoulder and try dialogue.
To some people it's important to be liked and have the support of some here on the forum. I honesty couldn't give less of a rat's ass who likes me and who doesn't. In fact, I'd prefer not to be liked by the personalities I've had to deal with on the forum. Nothing but empty bluster and constant antagonism. The "real life meeting" experiment would go very badly, IMO.
Got to hand to Beanz, however. Year after fucking year of warring with more than a dozen posters on this forum..... and he gets a free pass due to some incredible sucking up which he barely tries to hide. I could give all the examples, but for what?? What possible good would come out of me detailing every single person this motherfucker has pissed off during his miserable time here on the forum.
I'll only mention Dia, although there's dozens. This dude, a mature 50-some years old, began here on the forum as one of the kindest, friendliest dudes here. Today, he practically foams at the mouth when talking about Beanz. He has flat out said he wants him banned..... and refers to him only through curse words and insults.
Now, I don't know/don't give a shit what anyone else thinks. But when you've got examples that like..... you gotta ask yourself what kind of lowlife, fucked up, twisted, antagonistic, piss-ass personality does it take to bring out anger like Beanz has managed to bring out in Dia.
Other posters can't stand Beanz as well. But they choose (wisely so) to keep to the boxing boards and as far away as possible from this whole ball of shit. If you engage Beanz, you're not only engaging him..... but the friendly network of Mods he has carefully built for himself.
Too bad he can't carry them around in his everyday life..... so they can protect his ass as he spreads his charm in his surroundings.
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Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
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walrus
Hey spics I find you for the most part, reasonable. All of us are nuts. But why did you hold off on calling this bait until the other dude did. It’s been sitting here for a while, today it became the big bait thing
I woke up on a Sunday morning with a slight hangover and said ah cool lemme go to the forum all blinky eyed and see how the fight night went. Then I see the same dust storms going on that were going the day before. And the day before that. And one before that. So on and so forth. So I said I think I'll chime in and give my opinion as it seems endless. Then I had to go explain myself. So there I was. So now I'm here still trying to make an omelet and coffee at 3pm and mumbling to myself..chill is good..chill is good.
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Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
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TitoFan
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walrus
Hey spics I find you for the most part, reasonable. All of us are nuts. But why did you hold off on calling this bait until the other dude did. It’s been sitting here for a while, today it became the big bait thing
Hey @
walrus I 'preciate the chiming in with what I consider to be the obvious question.... but don't get any heat on my behalf.
I've been crystal clear that I wanted this to be a thread where we could drop all pretenses and discuss issues like mature adults. I get told that the entire forum is that, which is obviously not true, given the hundreds of threads where it's just insult after insult. My intentions were good, and they were clearly stated. The thread was called bait long before I alluded to either of the two not coming in here because they'd rather continue the hostilities in the other threads.
It was an ill-advised attempt to maybe make some headway, just like my other thread where I asked the rhetorical question about what would happen if we were to all meet at the same time.
It's painfully obvious that there are at least two people in here who'd much rather continue the hostilities than to even entertain the thought of maybe being civil and discuss our differences as I would hope we would in a face-to-face. I guess it was too much to ask.... and it's much easier to continue the mud-slinging (with the help of two Mods), than to drop the gigantic boulder off your shoulder and try dialogue.
To some people it's important to be liked and have the support of some here on the forum. I honesty couldn't give less of a rat's ass who likes me and who doesn't. In fact, I'd prefer not to be liked by the personalities I've had to deal with on the forum. Nothing but empty bluster and constant antagonism. The "real life meeting" experiment would go very badly, IMO.
Got to hand to Beanz, however. Year after fucking year of warring with more than a dozen posters on this forum..... and he gets a free pass due to some incredible sucking up which he barely tries to hide. I could give all the examples, but for what?? What possible good would come out of me detailing every single person this motherfucker has pissed off during his miserable time here on the forum.
I'll only mention Dia, although there's dozens. This dude, a mature 50-some years old, began here on the forum as one of the kindest, friendliest dudes here. Today, he practically foams at the mouth when talking about Beanz. He has flat out said he wants him banned..... and refers to him only through curse words and insults.
Now, I don't know/don't give a shit what anyone else thinks. But when you've got examples that like..... you gotta ask yourself what kind of lowlife, fucked up, twisted, antagonistic, piss-ass personality does it take to bring out anger like Beanz has managed to bring out in Dia.
Other posters can't stand Beanz as well. But they choose (wisely so) to keep to the boxing boards and as far away as possible from this whole ball of shit. If you engage Beanz, you're not only engaging him..... but the friendly network of Mods he has carefully built for himself.
Too bad he can't carry them around in his everyday life..... so they can protect his ass as he spreads his charm in his surroundings.
Ah Tito beat me to it again :D. Stir stir stir. Name drop, poke prod poke. You honestly have a pretty active imagination.
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Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
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Spicoli
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walrus
Hey spics I find you for the most part, reasonable. All of us are nuts. But why did you hold off on calling this bait until the other dude did. It’s been sitting here for a while, today it became the big bait thing
I woke up on a Sunday morning with a slight hangover and said ah cool lemme go to the forum all blinky eyed and see how the fight night went. Then I see the same dust storms going on that were going the day before. And the day before that. And one before that. So on and so forth. So I said I think I'll chime in and give my opinion as it seems endless. Then I had to go explain myself. So there I was. So now I'm here still trying to make an omelet and coffee at 3pm and mumbling to myself..chill is good..chill is good.
But it wasn’t spic it was just me having a piss at big D and posting in the chill
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Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
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Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
walrus
Hey spics I find you for the most part, reasonable. All of us are nuts. But why did you hold off on calling this bait until the other dude did. It’s been sitting here for a while, today it became the big bait thing
Hey @
walrus I 'preciate the chiming in with what I consider to be the obvious question.... but don't get any heat on my behalf.
I've been crystal clear that I wanted this to be a thread where we could drop all pretenses and discuss issues like mature adults. I get told that the entire forum is that, which is obviously not true, given the hundreds of threads where it's just insult after insult. My intentions were good, and they were clearly stated. The thread was called bait long before I alluded to either of the two not coming in here because they'd rather continue the hostilities in the other threads.
It was an ill-advised attempt to maybe make some headway, just like my other thread where I asked the rhetorical question about what would happen if we were to all meet at the same time.
It's painfully obvious that there are at least two people in here who'd much rather continue the hostilities than to even entertain the thought of maybe being civil and discuss our differences as I would hope we would in a face-to-face. I guess it was too much to ask.... and it's much easier to continue the mud-slinging (with the help of two Mods), than to drop the gigantic boulder off your shoulder and try dialogue.
To some people it's important to be liked and have the support of some here on the forum. I honesty couldn't give less of a rat's ass who likes me and who doesn't. In fact, I'd prefer not to be liked by the personalities I've had to deal with on the forum. Nothing but empty bluster and constant antagonism. The "real life meeting" experiment would go very badly, IMO.
Got to hand to Beanz, however. Year after fucking year of warring with more than a dozen posters on this forum..... and he gets a free pass due to some incredible sucking up which he barely tries to hide. I could give all the examples, but for what?? What possible good would come out of me detailing every single person this motherfucker has pissed off during his miserable time here on the forum.
I'll only mention Dia, although there's dozens. This dude, a mature 50-some years old, began here on the forum as one of the kindest, friendliest dudes here. Today, he practically foams at the mouth when talking about Beanz. He has flat out said he wants him banned..... and refers to him only through curse words and insults.
Now, I don't know/don't give a shit what anyone else thinks. But when you've got examples that like..... you gotta ask yourself what kind of lowlife, fucked up, twisted, antagonistic, piss-ass personality does it take to bring out anger like Beanz has managed to bring out in Dia.
Other posters can't stand Beanz as well. But they choose (wisely so) to keep to the boxing boards and as far away as possible from this whole ball of shit. If you engage Beanz, you're not only engaging him..... but the friendly network of Mods he has carefully built for himself.
Too bad he can't carry them around in his everyday life..... so they can protect his ass as he spreads his charm in his surroundings.
Ah Tito beat me to it again :D. Stir stir stir. Name drop, poke prod poke. You honestly have a pretty active imagination.
Yeh, let's boil it down to that. So much more expedient and convenient. Sorry to interrupt your omelet.
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Re: Walrus shit stirring thread/personal hate thread
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Nope. That is too broad a generalization. You missed the part where I said that there are people with high intelligence levels in any racial group. I don't for a minute think think any race is 'inferior' meaning of a lower status. Everyone has the same rights in my world.
Take this debate with Candace Owens and Russell Brand. It is like listening to the voices in my head clashing away. Neither is superior or inferior based on race. They are just good examples of intelligent white and black people. You don't see me saying 'Brand is better because he is white'.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F-OeKV1JZGI
There are talented people within any group and a bunch of lazy people too. It is about pointing out general differences as a way of understanding ourselves better. If you think environment and nurture is important, as I do, then you look at patterns and say 'This group has few broken families and this group has many. Could that be a factor?' Then you go across other differences one by one and that is one way to find ways of improving things. Harking on about slavery when we were all slaves is something I don't adhere to or hating on the entite white populace. Let that go and focus on bettering yourself in the here and now as that is all you really have.
The fact is that there are IQ differences, but there are factors that can cause that, not necessarily genes, though that of course has been argued. It could well be the case as we have all evolved differently but I couldn't say that without ruling out all other possibilities. So read the books, work hard, and see if you can do better. Don't join a gang and don't copy your parents. That's a start.
You're trying to dress up saying
blacks are mentally inferior with - Not all!!! Not all!!!
Reason? It's nature, nurture, genes, evolution, environment or maybe it's not. Who knows? Everyone was a slave? No need to complain.
You've not once addressed the
criticism of the Bell Curve or data.
I am saying factually that there are smart people in any group, but the proportions appear to vary according to race.
Yes, the argument is between nature and nurture. Frankly nature is impossible to solve so you start with good nurturing. For instance, breast feed and avoid powdered milk, good nutrition, good male role model, discipline and learrning early. We can control those things.
It is a fact that our own ancestors were in effect slaves. There is no collective hangover reinforced about it constantly. It does not explain why black families were strong and are now not which actually correlates with the welfare state.
I have not addressed any criticism because Denilson has not questioned me. I responded to the points Denilson made in a civil way. That was enough.
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Re: Walrus shit stirring thread/personal hate thread
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Beanz
IQ tests do not even measure intelligence. That is just a learned rote response, little more sophisticated then spewing out the word 'Welfare' four times in one sentence, by somebody very heavily invested in repeating a lie, in a story which always makes them the hero. All IQ does is measure western teachable skills. Like Psychologists, very dull and ill informed, but privileged teachers and lecturers are often very heavily invested in this belief that intelligence is innate, a bit like Chomsky's daft innate grammar proposal in linguistics. The idea even, of a cultural element to intelligence is an anathema to them. That is the very serious flaw in western ideas of intelligence. Being so divorced from the environment that people of course do not realise how we can not exist apart from it, and it's influence, even if you lock yourself in a concrete tomb and just drink tea and read books. (That would though of course explain, quite how someone could develop such a narrow repetitive mindset that churned out the same rubbish for years on end.)
Abstraction is cultural and it is the development of this ability that will be far more valuable than somebody with a high IQ result and an old fashioned literal mindedness that will see them condemn humans to repeating the same mistakes until we are wiped out. Creativity in any form is hugely more valuable to a modern human, in a world in which 3 yr olds can use gestures to navigate the complex symbolism of a virtual world on a tablet.
IQ test are basically a way of saying if you are not like me then you are a cunt. No wonder sociopaths do so well in them.
What a load of waffle. If psychologists are so rote and ill informed then why do you wear your Aperger's label so proudly? 'Ooh Fenster, my darling Fenster....Sorry for snapping, it is my Asperger's you see.....it is not just BS made up by psychologists, but certainly useful so I can lick you. Oh, and YEAH I want to sexualize kids too. We are a team....high five!' You pick and choose what you want to hear.
In schools much of the testing is a form of IQ testing. The ability to solve abstract problems, to process thought logically. In turn how well you do will determine your University and in turn your life choices. It starts at a young age and is constantly monitored. Either you can do it or you can't. Not everyone is intellectually capable. Those are the facts of life, honey and not everyone is a winner.
If IQ was not important, then show me a Maths teacher, lawyer, or engineer with a low IQ. You won't. If IQ was not important we would have people with IQ's of 90 filling important, socially responsible jobs and they simply do not do that.
Your posting is as usual grammatically odd, waffly, and hateful, so you are best ignored. See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya!