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Best Brit of the last 40 yrs
Hi.
I have been watching boxing, mostly in the UK for getting on for 50 years. My late 60's years started supporting Joe Bugner (no piss taking) and went on to other quality fighters, a list now.... John Conteh, John Stracey, Chris and Kevin Finnegan, Herrol Graham, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Frank Bruno, David Haye, Lennox Lewis, Joe Calslappy et al. All watched live when we could afford it before the showbiz yuppie lads invaded ringside with their love island girlfriends.
In all that time I have to say that there was only one boxer who I saw who was a complete natural, nobody taught him anything, he was born to it. Prince Nazeem Hamed.
What do you think?
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nuggetdotcom
Hi.
I have been watching boxing, mostly in the UK for getting on for 50 years. My late 60's years started supporting Joe Bugner (no piss taking) and went on to other quality fighters, a list now.... John Conteh, John Stracey, Chris and Kevin Finnegan, Herrol Graham, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Frank Bruno, David Haye, Lennox Lewis, Joe Calslappy et al. All watched live when we could afford it before the showbiz yuppie lads invaded ringside with their love island girlfriends.
In all that time I have to say that there was only one boxer who I saw who was a complete natural, nobody taught him anything, he was born to it. Prince Nazeem Hamed.
What do you think?
The hands down style was taught by Brendan Ingle, Hamed did have natural power.
Hamed left Ingle and relied on power .
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I was a big Herol Graham fan and liked the Ingle fighters. He was unlucky to never win the world title or get a big fight against Benn, Watson or Eubank.
Nigel Benn was the most exciting because of aggressive style and punch power. He got better after each loss because he adapted and improved his skills.
Lloyd Honeyghan caused the biggest upset beating Curry and defending the world titles.
Naz for a time was the best at his weight and slightly invaded USA.
Lennox Lewis became undisputed heavyweight champion and confirmed his legacy.
Hatton beat the great Tszyu and was a top fighter for a short while. His fans definitely invaded USA.
Joe Calzaghe was the best overall, he had fast hands, skill, chin, stamina, heart and longevity.
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Whether you like him or not, it has to be Calzaghe.
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I would say Calzaghe as well, surely there is an argument for Lennox though. Struggle to think of anyone you could realistically have over those two, without stretching?
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I would say Calzaghe as well, surely there is an argument for Lennox though. Struggle to think of anyone you could realistically have over those two, without stretching?
Lennox is Canadian/Jamaican
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I would say Calzaghe as well, surely there is an argument for Lennox though. Struggle to think of anyone you could realistically have over those two, without stretching?
Lennox is Canadian/Jamaican
I almost prefaced it with some people will say this :p I mean he was born and grew up in England and therefore is a Brit? As far as I know never lived or boxed in Jamaica for a day in his life, but he did learn to box in Canada and won gold for us, so fair enough there.
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Can't look beyond Joe or Lennox for me.
Benn the most exciting.
Hamed was unique but short changed us with his career
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Josh Taylor could take the accolade if he keeps it up. Joe did have his weaknesses in terms of terrible title defences of his WBO title that Sven Ottke was rated better than him at one point.
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Josh Taylor could take the accolade if he keeps it up. Joe did have his weaknesses in terms of terrible title defences of his WBO title that Sven Ottke was rated better than him at one point.
Taylor has a long way to go . He’s a great fighter, but his career is in its relative infancy. So far he’s “Just” a World champion. There’s been a few of them. Hope so, but it’s a long way away.
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I'd go for Calzaghe too. You can't go past going unbeaten even if there were a lot of Warren defences in there.
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I would say Calzaghe as well, surely there is an argument for Lennox though. Struggle to think of anyone you could realistically have over those two, without stretching?
Lennox is Canadian/Jamaican
It really isn't for you or I to say. I am happy to listen to what Lewis has to say on it and he certainly doesn't agree with you. ;D
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p4pking
I would say Calzaghe as well, surely there is an argument for Lennox though. Struggle to think of anyone you could realistically have over those two, without stretching?
Lennox is Canadian/Jamaican
It really isn't for you or I to say. I am happy to listen to what Lewis has to say on it and he certainly doesn't agree with you. ;D
Lewis was Canadian twice in his career , McCall first fight , Rahman first fight. :)
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I would say Calzaghe as well, surely there is an argument for Lennox though. Struggle to think of anyone you could realistically have over those two, without stretching?
Lennox is Canadian/Jamaican
It really isn't for you or I to say. I am happy to listen to what Lewis has to say on it and he certainly doesn't agree with you. ;D
Lewis was Canadian twice in his career , McCall first fight , Rahman first fight. :)
He became English again when he avenged those defeats. He was a cockney for a time he became undisputed champion.
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Josh Taylor could take the accolade if he keeps it up. Joe did have his weaknesses in terms of terrible title defences of his WBO title that Sven Ottke was rated better than him at one point.
After beating Ramirez last night, he's on the list.
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Frank Bruno
Greatest fighter in history lb4lb over 6 rounds
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Frank Bruno
Greatest fighter in history lb4lb over 6 rounds
Except Tyson beat him in 5 and 3 rounds.
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Frank Bruno
Greatest fighter in history lb4lb over 6 rounds
Except Tyson beat him in 5 and 3 rounds.
proves nothing, Tyson was his bogey man
and the second fight he was mentally ill
AJ lost to Ruiz and struggle badly second time, doesnt make Ruiz better
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Master
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erics44
Frank Bruno
Greatest fighter in history lb4lb over 6 rounds
Except Tyson beat him in 5 and 3 rounds.
proves nothing, Tyson was his bogey man
and the second fight he was mentally ill
AJ lost to Ruiz and struggle badly second time, doesnt make Ruiz better
Bruno had a lot of bogey men then.
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Master
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erics44
Frank Bruno
Greatest fighter in history lb4lb over 6 rounds
Except Tyson beat him in 5 and 3 rounds.
proves nothing, Tyson was his bogey man
and the second fight he was mentally ill
AJ lost to Ruiz
and struggle badly second time, doesnt make Ruiz better
But did he though?
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Primo Carnera
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erics44
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Master
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erics44
Frank Bruno
Greatest fighter in history lb4lb over 6 rounds
Except Tyson beat him in 5 and 3 rounds.
proves nothing, Tyson was his bogey man
and the second fight he was mentally ill
AJ lost to Ruiz
and struggle badly second time, doesnt make Ruiz better
But did he though?
No he did not but Erics44 sees things others do not.
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Primo Carnera
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erics44
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Master
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erics44
Frank Bruno
Greatest fighter in history lb4lb over 6 rounds
Except Tyson beat him in 5 and 3 rounds.
proves nothing, Tyson was his bogey man
and the second fight he was mentally ill
AJ lost to Ruiz
and struggle badly second time, doesnt make Ruiz better
But did he though?
No he did not but Erics44 sees things others do not.
AJ looked terrible in the second ruiz fight
and Bruno never lost a fight over 6 rounds apart from Tyson
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nuggetdotcom
Hi.
I have been watching boxing, mostly in the UK for getting on for 50 years. My late 60's years started supporting Joe Bugner (no piss taking) and went on to other quality fighters, a list now.... John Conteh, John Stracey, Chris and Kevin Finnegan, Herrol Graham, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Frank Bruno, David Haye, Lennox Lewis, Joe Calslappy et al. All watched live when we could afford it before the showbiz yuppie lads invaded ringside with their love island girlfriends.
In all that time I have to say that there was only one boxer who I saw who was a complete natural, nobody taught him anything, he was born to it. Prince Nazeem Hamed.
What do you think?
As an American- looking to crown the most 'natural'? meaning someone born with a talent? I can understand Hamed being that one.
The names you mentioned I could see all of them as boxers who gained skill, while Hamed never really had skill IMO- or he wouldn't have gotten embarrassed by MAB!
He relied on reflexes and born to throw power punches, didnt have to do weights or take protein shakes or designer dope. Power was natural.
Without Manny Steward IMO Lennox was destined to lose more fights.
Eubank, Benn were natural born fighters IMO. Nevertheless, they gained skills throughout their career(s).
Joe Calzaghe would be my choice for the Best Brit in the last 40 years who was blessed with stamina -(or was it the cocaine?;D) & wily reflexes,something not teachable.
But Hamed based on that definition would make it either of the two for me!O0
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Best? What does that even mean? I understand why people ask it , 'Best Song', 'Best Novel' , 'Best Actor', 'Best sports team' etc but it is almost impossible to answer.
It is easier for those British boxers often mentioned at the top of these lists from earlier eras because they got there first, and made history before anyone else got a chance to. So naturally you usually and rightfully have Fitzsimmons. Broughton, Mace, Kid Lewis, Wilde etc who broke new ground and became the first to win certain titles, fight in new countries and often across divisions, many of them against the odds and with massive , high KO records.
In the modern era it is much harder and you have to accept that it is much more of a subjective choice. Even seemingly very different fighters have a lot more in common. Calzaghe share the same 32 KO stoppages as Lennox Lewis which puts a bit more perspective on him being called slappy. Both of those great fighters look a bit powder puff compared to Jimmy Wilde knocking out 99 opponents when not even weighing * stone himself ;D
Back to the modern era though. Hamed as natural a fighter and entertainer as he was, even he could never lay claim to capturing the British publics imagination as much as Hatton. People loved ' Our Henry' and 'Big Frank' but people turned out in their thousands for Hatton and traveled the word supporting him. There was always an element of hype there, but it was built around a true entertainer who was very rarely going to give you a dull fight, win or lose. It was intoxicating stuff and Hatton truly had to work at it to get where he did, that heart for me makes up for what was missing in his boxing arsenal. Top Notch and in throwing himself in there with Floyd and Pacman he is a bit harshly dismissed because of the manner of their victories.
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Best? What does that even mean? I understand why people ask it , 'Best Song', 'Best Novel' , 'Best Actor', 'Best sports team' etc but it is almost impossible to answer.
It is easier for those British boxers often mentioned at the top of these lists from earlier eras because they got there first, and made history before anyone else got a chance to. So naturally you usually and rightfully have Fitzsimmons. Broughton, Mace, Kid Lewis, Wilde etc who broke new ground and became the first to win certain titles, fight in new countries and often across divisions, many of them against the odds and with massive , high KO records.
In the modern era it is much harder and you have to accept that it is much more of a subjective choice. Even seemingly very different fighters have a lot more in common. Calzaghe share the same 32 KO stoppages as Lennox Lewis which puts a bit more perspective on him being called slappy. Both of those great fighters look a bit powder puff compared to Jimmy Wilde knocking out 99 opponents when not even weighing * stone himself ;D
Back to the modern era though. Hamed as natural a fighter and entertainer as he was, even he could never lay claim to capturing the British publics imagination as much as Hatton. People loved ' Our Henry' and 'Big Frank' but people turned out in their thousands for Hatton and traveled the word supporting him. There was always an element of hype there, but it was built around a true entertainer who was very rarely going to give you a dull fight, win or lose. It was intoxicating stuff and Hatton truly had to work at it to get where he did, that heart for me makes up for what was missing in his boxing arsenal. Top Notch and in throwing himself in there with Floyd and Pacman he is a bit harshly dismissed because of the manner of their victories.
True.
For me I admit I am lacking in geography- when it comes to determinining if a Welsh fighter? Is considered as a British fighter as well? Or English?
When BoxRec ranks Hatton as the 11th greatest European fighter of all time and fifth greatest British fighter of all time- I am not sure who is on the European list that is NOT on the British list & vice versa.;D
And I totally forgot dude was named fighter of the year in 2005, he won several titles that year, just forgot which.
Decent thread but a bit confusing- you dealt with the title (best) I dealt with his post (natural) so I am not sure where the correct answer lies!!
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Beanz
Best? What does that even mean? I understand why people ask it , 'Best Song', 'Best Novel' , 'Best Actor', 'Best sports team' etc but it is almost impossible to answer.
It is easier for those British boxers often mentioned at the top of these lists from earlier eras because they got there first, and made history before anyone else got a chance to. So naturally you usually and rightfully have Fitzsimmons. Broughton, Mace, Kid Lewis, Wilde etc who broke new ground and became the first to win certain titles, fight in new countries and often across divisions, many of them against the odds and with massive , high KO records.
In the modern era it is much harder and you have to accept that it is much more of a subjective choice. Even seemingly very different fighters have a lot more in common. Calzaghe share the same 32 KO stoppages as Lennox Lewis which puts a bit more perspective on him being called slappy. Both of those great fighters look a bit powder puff compared to Jimmy Wilde knocking out 99 opponents when not even weighing * stone himself ;D
Back to the modern era though. Hamed as natural a fighter and entertainer as he was, even he could never lay claim to capturing the British publics imagination as much as Hatton. People loved ' Our Henry' and 'Big Frank' but people turned out in their thousands for Hatton and traveled the word supporting him. There was always an element of hype there, but it was built around a true entertainer who was very rarely going to give you a dull fight, win or lose. It was intoxicating stuff and Hatton truly had to work at it to get where he did, that heart for me makes up for what was missing in his boxing arsenal. Top Notch and in throwing himself in there with Floyd and Pacman he is a bit harshly dismissed because of the manner of their victories.
True.
For me I admit I am lacking in geography- when it comes to determinining if a Welsh fighter? Is considered as a British fighter as well? Or English?
When BoxRec ranks Hatton as the 11th greatest European fighter of all time and fifth greatest British fighter of all time- I am not sure who is on the European list that is NOT on the British list & vice versa.;D
And I totally forgot dude was named fighter of the year in 2005, he won several titles that year, just forgot which.
Decent thread but a bit confusing- you dealt with the title (best) I dealt with his post (natural) so I am not sure where the correct answer lies!!
Since 1707 the Kingdom of Great Britain now usually referred to as The United Kingdom or Britain has included all the countries/nations in the British Isles (Islands) .
England
Scotland
Wales
Northern Ireland
are all and have all been considered British since that date.
Scotland and Wales have the ability to make their own rules and have their own Parliaments.
The closest thing I can imagine in the US is states. They are all considered part of the USA but can make their own laws etc.
It would be a bit like me asking if Floyd Mayweather was considered American because he was born in Michigan.
Back on topic for the last 40 years probably has to be Calzaghe even with Lewis bringing the Heavyweight title back after ..100 years? ( something like that) but Hatton was a throwback to the 'Prizefighter' exhibition booth / traveling boxer roots in many ways more than Fury.
Fury supposedly being the people's champion makes me laugh. He is so full of shite. Doesn't want to be considered English despite being born here, then still wants to fight for those titles and grab those fans. Pretends it's not about the money then moans about the money, says he is all action then mouths off for God knows how long, whilst being inactive. Is a drug cheat and then preaches about being an example. They can say he is a fascinating character and the mass of contradictions that many great fighters are, but he does not represent fair play or any other British values and yet people love him, and pretend that Joshua who despite being a bit vanilla, is nowhere near as fake, is the phony.
Odd.
Credit where it is due Fury's fight against Wlad was a masterclass but for some Brits to then watch AJ get up after getting floored in a British classic against Wlad, bite down on his gumshield and tear the win from him, and still...still question his heart is beyond me.
Look at many of them now pretending and insisting that Fury fighting Wilder is an example of AJ running scared.
Mental ;D
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Master
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Frank Bruno
Greatest fighter in history lb4lb over 6 rounds
Except Tyson beat him in 5 and 3 rounds.
proves nothing, Tyson was his bogey man
and the second fight he was mentally ill
AJ lost to Ruiz
and struggle badly second time, doesnt make Ruiz better
But did he though?
No he did not but Erics44 sees things others do not.
AJ looked terrible in the second ruiz fight
and Bruno never lost a fight over 6 rounds apart from Tyson
Bonecrusher Smith, Lewis & Witherspoon all beat Bruno in rounds 10, 7, 11
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erics44
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Master
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Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
Master
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erics44
Frank Bruno
Greatest fighter in history lb4lb over 6 rounds
Except Tyson beat him in 5 and 3 rounds.
proves nothing, Tyson was his bogey man
and the second fight he was mentally ill
AJ lost to Ruiz
and struggle badly second time, doesnt make Ruiz better
But did he though?
No he did not but Erics44 sees things others do not.
AJ looked terrible in the second ruiz fight
and Bruno never lost a fight over 6 rounds apart from Tyson
Bonecrusher Smith, Lewis & Witherspoon all beat Bruno in rounds 10, 7, 11
all three fights he won the first 6 rounds
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erics44
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smashup
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erics44
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Master
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Primo Carnera
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erics44
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Master
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erics44
Frank Bruno
Greatest fighter in history lb4lb over 6 rounds
Except Tyson beat him in 5 and 3 rounds.
proves nothing, Tyson was his bogey man
and the second fight he was mentally ill
AJ lost to Ruiz
and struggle badly second time, doesnt make Ruiz better
But did he though?
No he did not but Erics44 sees things others do not.
AJ looked terrible in the second ruiz fight
and Bruno never lost a fight over 6 rounds apart from Tyson
Bonecrusher Smith, Lewis & Witherspoon all beat Bruno in rounds 10, 7, 11
all three fights he won the first 6 rounds
;D;D;D How many times are you gonna get pulled up for wrong statements on this thread and then change the goalposts? ;D;D;D This is beginning to sound like the monty python sketch “what have the Romans ever done fo us.”
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Of course best is open to a bit of interpretation but overall I'd vote for Calzaghe, he best Kessler pretty well and Kessler went on to have a pretty good career, he beat froch fairly comfortably first time out I(and the judges) thought and he went on to be pretty good... Calzaghe also overcame an fairly old but still going strong Hopkins, I wanted Hopkins to win and I just don't see how you could give him that win... Calzaghe went undefeated for such a long and even though he lacks a lot of prime big names I think he did pretty great.. (I forgot about the lacy demolition :S)
Of course Hamed was something else at the time but Barrera really did him in, great talent though but I'd stick with Joe...
Also Hatton deserves a mention too he only lost to two legends, as annoying as floyd is he's just a great boxer and Pacman was on a rampage at that time. And Hatton despite being quite a drunk away from the ring got himself in shape and won a good few fights... Now there's talent!
And obviously I haven't seen a lot of the other guys mentioned, I was pretty young when benn and Eubank were around, Hamed was the first one I can remember well.
And of course lennox isn't mentioned as he's the number 1 Canadian of the last 40 years
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Beanz
Best? What does that even mean? I understand why people ask it , 'Best Song', 'Best Novel' , 'Best Actor', 'Best sports team' etc but it is almost impossible to answer.
It is easier for those British boxers often mentioned at the top of these lists from earlier eras because they got there first, and made history before anyone else got a chance to. So naturally you usually and rightfully have Fitzsimmons. Broughton, Mace, Kid Lewis, Wilde etc who broke new ground and became the first to win certain titles, fight in new countries and often across divisions, many of them against the odds and with massive , high KO records.
In the modern era it is much harder and you have to accept that it is much more of a subjective choice. Even seemingly very different fighters have a lot more in common. Calzaghe share the same 32 KO stoppages as Lennox Lewis which puts a bit more perspective on him being called slappy. Both of those great fighters look a bit powder puff compared to Jimmy Wilde knocking out 99 opponents when not even weighing * stone himself ;D
Back to the modern era though. Hamed as natural a fighter and entertainer as he was, even he could never lay claim to capturing the British publics imagination as much as Hatton. People loved ' Our Henry' and 'Big Frank' but people turned out in their thousands for Hatton and traveled the word supporting him. There was always an element of hype there, but it was built around a true entertainer who was very rarely going to give you a dull fight, win or lose. It was intoxicating stuff and Hatton truly had to work at it to get where he did, that heart for me makes up for what was missing in his boxing arsenal. Top Notch and in throwing himself in there with Floyd and Pacman he is a bit harshly dismissed because of the manner of their victories.
True.
For me I admit I am lacking in geography- when it comes to determinining if a Welsh fighter? Is considered as a British fighter as well? Or English?
When BoxRec ranks Hatton as the 11th greatest European fighter of all time and fifth greatest British fighter of all time- I am not sure who is on the European list that is NOT on the British list & vice versa.;D
And I totally forgot dude was named fighter of the year in 2005, he won several titles that year, just forgot which.
Decent thread but a bit confusing- you dealt with the title (best) I dealt with his post (natural) so I am not sure where the correct answer lies!!
Since 1707 the Kingdom of Great Britain now usually referred to as The United Kingdom or Britain has included all the countries/nations in the British Isles (Islands) .
England
Scotland
Wales
Northern Ireland
are all and have all been considered British since that date.
Scotland and Wales have the ability to make their own rules and have their own Parliaments.
The closest thing I can imagine in the US is states. They are all considered part of the USA but can make their own laws etc.
It would be a bit like me asking if Floyd Mayweather was considered American because he was born in Michigan.
Back on topic for the last 40 years probably has to be Calzaghe even with Lewis bringing the Heavyweight title back after ..100 years? ( something like that) but Hatton was a throwback to the 'Prizefighter' exhibition booth / traveling boxer roots in many ways more than Fury.
Fury supposedly being the people's champion makes me laugh. He is so full of shite. Doesn't want to be considered English despite being born here, then still wants to fight for those titles and grab those fans. Pretends it's not about the money then moans about the money, says he is all action then mouths off for God knows how long, whilst being inactive. Is a drug cheat and then preaches about being an example. They can say he is a fascinating character and the mass of contradictions that many great fighters are, but he does not represent fair play or any other British values and yet people love him, and pretend that Joshua who despite being a bit vanilla, is nowhere near as fake, is the phony.
Odd.
Credit where it is due Fury's fight against Wlad was a masterclass but for some Brits to then watch AJ get up after getting floored in a British classic against Wlad, bite down on his gumshield and tear the win from him, and still...still question his heart is beyond me.
Look at many of them now pretending and insisting that Fury fighting Wilder is an example of AJ running scared.
Mental ;D
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Frank Bruno
Greatest fighter in history lb4lb over 6 rounds
Except Tyson beat him in 5 and 3 rounds.
proves nothing, Tyson was his bogey man
and the second fight he was mentally ill
AJ lost to Ruiz
and struggle badly second time, doesnt make Ruiz better
But did he though?
No he did not but Erics44 sees things others do not.
AJ looked terrible in the second ruiz fight
and Bruno never lost a fight over 6 rounds apart from Tyson
Bonecrusher Smith, Lewis & Witherspoon all beat Bruno in rounds 10, 7, 11
all three fights he won the first 6 rounds
;D;D;D How many times are you gonna get pulled up for wrong statements on this thread and then change the goalposts? ;D;D;D This is beginning to sound like the monty python sketch “what have the Romans ever done fo us.”
all three fights he won the first 6 rounds
Gotta admit I didn't see that one coming, but it was a funny comeback!!
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Primo Carnera
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erics44
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smashup
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erics44
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Master
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Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
erics44
Frank Bruno
Greatest fighter in history lb4lb over 6 rounds
Except Tyson beat him in 5 and 3 rounds.
proves nothing, Tyson was his bogey man
and the second fight he was mentally ill
AJ lost to Ruiz
and struggle badly second time, doesnt make Ruiz better
But did he though?
No he did not but Erics44 sees things others do not.
AJ looked terrible in the second ruiz fight
and Bruno never lost a fight over 6 rounds apart from Tyson
Bonecrusher Smith, Lewis & Witherspoon all beat Bruno in rounds 10, 7, 11
all three fights he won the first 6 rounds
;D;D;D How many times are you gonna get pulled up for wrong statements on this thread and then change the goalposts? ;D;D;D This is beginning to sound like the monty python sketch “what have the Romans ever done fo us.”
he was battering lewis, 6 nil easy and the KO punch was a hail mary out of frustration
smith he was 9 and a half nil up
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Re: Best Brit of the last 40 yrs
So is it fair to say Bruno's conqueror Mike Tyson is the greatest 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 round champion in history?;D
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Re: Best Brit of the last 40 yrs
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SlimTrae
So is it fair to say Bruno's conqueror Mike Tyson is the greatest 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 round champion in history?;D
Just lucky enough to be the bogey man of the Greatest Global lb4lb Heavyweight in History over 6 rounds
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Re: Best Brit of the last 40 yrs
